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Does Diet Coke, Pepsi soft drinks in general cause increased fat storage and/or water retention?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 26, 2012 at 3:56 PM

So sidestepping the aspartame and other stuff in diet drinks etc, i KNOW they aren't that great for you etc etc etc...but

do they contribute to the body holding onto stored fat? or at least some water rentention?

I have no problem admitting I drink diet drinks to possibly major excess (4L a day-ish)

even though they contain no sugar calories or carbs (or much of anything) will the enforce a stall/bloat or whatever you want to call it?

B9cbcb55e622f574368aec33052c0f08

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on April 20, 2012
at 09:31 PM

Ya I went through something similar with gum a month ago. something about the sweet taste. Was a strange sensation.

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on March 27, 2012
at 03:14 PM

If someone handed me some lemony-mint water on a silver platter, I would head straight for the coke machine! Sorry, Lady A., but I cannot stop laughing. Now, a slice of lime in my diet coke - that sounds nice! Tapering down is a great idea, maybe switch to coffee or tea. Or that lemon-mintwater! OMG I'm laughing so hard I'm annoying my co-workers!

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on March 27, 2012
at 07:15 AM

I can't watch Hulu outside the US. does it exist on another platform?

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on March 27, 2012
at 07:15 AM

that's just the point. In real life you don't "control" for sugar intake. THe sweetness of the diet soda messes with your satiety and sugar cravings, and you're likely to eat more without even realizing it.

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on March 27, 2012
at 12:28 AM

watching Sweet Misery right now. just what I needed to re-quit soda.

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on March 26, 2012
at 08:05 PM

I've heard about this study,but I'm curious if they standardized for food intake? In other words, I'm aware that diet soda typically increases a person's cravings for sweets, which could explain the big waists/bellies. If the research controlled for sugar intake, I'd be curious if the same findings would be reported. Paleohackers, do you know if this has been done?

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on March 26, 2012
at 07:54 PM

At least you are honest - you might want to start reducing your consumption of diet drinks something like: 3.5 L, 3L, 2.5 L, etc. until you get to 0. Put lemon/lime in water and drink instead. You could add 1 mint leaf for some flavor.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on March 26, 2012
at 06:31 PM

There is evidence that artificial sweeteners mess with your metabolism http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080210183902.htm

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on March 26, 2012
at 06:28 PM

four liters a day??? That is major excess. Aspartame contains methanol, which breaks down into formic acid and formaldehyde in the body. Formaldehyde is a known neurotoxin. If you drink a can or two a day, that's one thing. But I think with four liters you are setting yourself up for some serious s*&t.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on March 26, 2012
at 04:56 PM

you can make water kefir, which is carbonated and actually good for you. But it takes some doing.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on March 26, 2012
at 04:48 PM

If you sidestep what's in them, what are you left with?

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on March 26, 2012
at 04:47 PM

I suppose it's possible that aspartame (exitotoxin?) could be messing with the leptin receptors and screwing up the neuroregulation of appetite. Or the sweet taste stimulation a bit of insulin, which could have some small effect. Perhaps the CO2 is converted to fatty acids and stored that way. (Okay, just kidding). Seriously, 4 liters a day, which is what I used to do, is really just a bad caffeine habit. Which is probably bad. Unless you drink coffee or tea (maybe).

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on March 26, 2012
at 04:42 PM

BTW, I had a 2L a day habit myself, so I can feel your pain. Keep it up if it's a necessary crutch, but get off it when you can!

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on March 26, 2012
at 04:19 PM

http://www.hulu.com/watch/162709/sweet-misery

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on March 26, 2012
at 04:04 PM

youtube or where?

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7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on March 26, 2012
at 04:40 PM

Not exactly sure why you want to sidestep the artificial sweeteners (which even if benign chemically probably affect taste->brain communications), the phosphoric acid (which may affect mineral balance in the body), and/or the caramel coloring (which is linked to cancer).

But regarding your question, I don't think diet sodas contribute to holding onto fat (don't see a mechanism aside from causing increased eating as a result of the sweet taste and no calories). Nor do they likely contribute to water retention since given the caffeine and the very low levels of sodium, if anything, they are essentially diuretic in nature.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on March 26, 2012
at 04:47 PM

I suppose it's possible that aspartame (exitotoxin?) could be messing with the leptin receptors and screwing up the neuroregulation of appetite. Or the sweet taste stimulation a bit of insulin, which could have some small effect. Perhaps the CO2 is converted to fatty acids and stored that way. (Okay, just kidding). Seriously, 4 liters a day, which is what I used to do, is really just a bad caffeine habit. Which is probably bad. Unless you drink coffee or tea (maybe).

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on March 26, 2012
at 04:42 PM

BTW, I had a 2L a day habit myself, so I can feel your pain. Keep it up if it's a necessary crutch, but get off it when you can!

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on March 26, 2012
at 04:16 PM

Dr. Mark Hyman has an interesting point about sweetness in general. Sweet tastes trigger hormones that affect satiety and can interfere with actual healthy eating.

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on March 26, 2012
at 08:01 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/29/diet-soda-weight-gain_n_886409.html

"In the first study, researchers collected height, weight, waist circumference and diet soda intake data from 474 elderly people who participated in the San Antonio Longitudinal Study of Aging. They were followed up an average of 9.5 years later, according to the research.

Researchers found that the diet soda drinkers had waist circumference increases of 70 percent greater than those who non-diet soda drinkers. And people who drank diet soda the most frequently -- at least two diet sodas a day -- had waist circumference increases that were 500 percent greater than people who didn't drink any diet soda, the study said.

Artificial sugar didn't produce any better results in the second study in mice. Researchers for this study found that diabetes-prone mice that were fed a diet that included aspartame for three months, had higher blood glucose levels than mice not given aspartame.

This isn't the first news illuminating diet soda's health risks. A study published earlier this year found people who drink the beverage every day have a higher stroke and heart attack risks. And UK researchers found earlier this month that sugary drinks can dull taste buds, leading consumers to crave the sweet stuff even more."

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on March 27, 2012
at 07:15 AM

that's just the point. In real life you don't "control" for sugar intake. THe sweetness of the diet soda messes with your satiety and sugar cravings, and you're likely to eat more without even realizing it.

0266737ea1782946902fd3f8e60fa0b9

(2504)

on March 26, 2012
at 08:05 PM

I've heard about this study,but I'm curious if they standardized for food intake? In other words, I'm aware that diet soda typically increases a person's cravings for sweets, which could explain the big waists/bellies. If the research controlled for sugar intake, I'd be curious if the same findings would be reported. Paleohackers, do you know if this has been done?

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510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on March 26, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Robb Wolf calls this the "Food Porn" effect. Your body "gets ready" for the onslaught of sugar when you taste something sweet. So even non-caloric, non-glucose sweet things can have an insulin effect. In fact, some people will start releasing insulin if they look at something sweet (hence, the term Food Porn). And since insulin is the "fat storage" hormone, it's totally reasonable to believe that non-caloric sweet things can cause you to store fat via insulin.

But the bigger issue is, do you really want to be drinking 4L of ANYTHING a day?

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on March 26, 2012
at 06:31 PM

There is evidence that artificial sweeteners mess with your metabolism http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080210183902.htm

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on March 26, 2012
at 05:02 PM

Artificial sweeteners are like methadone for sugar. For reals. I had a sugarfree gum episode a few months ago, and it made me crave sugary sweets like crazy.

In my experiences, I've absolutely retained water from diet drinks. Carbonation has done that to me, for sure, and especially causes bloating.

B9cbcb55e622f574368aec33052c0f08

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on April 20, 2012
at 09:31 PM

Ya I went through something similar with gum a month ago. something about the sweet taste. Was a strange sensation.

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on March 26, 2012
at 08:14 PM

I am so glad my mom never let us have soda. Best parenting move ever. Now I don't even have to think about them, and it must suck being used to having them all the time and trying to stop.

The biggest issues here would be triggering a desire for sweet food, and possibly water retention. Plus, I thought that thing about formic acid from methanol production leading to problems with eyesight was pretty much a myth, but then I had a prof use it as an example in biochemistry, so now I am relatively freaked out by aspartame in general.

Clinical update for concerns about "headaches, seizures, blindness and cognitive and behavioral changes with long-term high-dose aspartame": http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2667892

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Dc77df0e0b3a7643c94ce84eb0ae1fb4

on March 26, 2012
at 06:59 PM

i can fast easily for 24hrs (and do so regularly), so that suggests leptin and other hormones are in check, im pretty rough with caffeine, doses of 1000mg seem to have ZERO effect. im stimulant resistant also....having no effects from yohimbine at 20mg doses either.

might cycle off the stims and diet stuff to see what happens, bar that i eat decent paleo.

(stims only use to reduce stubborn remaining BF)

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on March 26, 2012
at 05:54 PM

I am not 100% sure myself but I have been an avid diet soda drinker myself. I've given it up before and saw drastic changes in my skin. I've always had really great skin in the sense that I do not have acne, but when giving up diet soda my skin became more soft and even.. I had some weird discolored spots on my back that also went away when I replaced 4-5 sodas a day with just water.

I since slipped back to them and the same dry skin/sploch skin is back.. so today is day one of being off them. From here on out I intend on making them like a 1 a week thing if any at all.

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on March 26, 2012
at 05:35 PM

I don't know the answer to your specific question. But, any addiction is bad. It sounds like you are drinking loads of diet soda.

Do you have fat to lose? If you do and you are unable to lose it then why not do your best to avoid or at least limit your diet soda habits and see what happens?

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on March 26, 2012
at 05:26 PM

How is Zevia soda? The grapefruit is my fave! I know it shouldn't be an all the time thing, but how bad is it, really, every once in a while? Like a couple cans every 1-2 weeks.. I know stevia is shunned by some in the Paleo community, but I haven't ever figured out why. (With the exception being the highly processed versions, like Truvia).

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on March 26, 2012
at 04:18 PM

Dr. Mark Hyman has an interesting point about sweetness in general. Sweet tastes trigger hormones that affect satiety and can interfere with actual healthy eating.

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on March 26, 2012
at 03:59 PM

Just watch Sweet Misery, enough said.

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on March 26, 2012
at 04:19 PM

http://www.hulu.com/watch/162709/sweet-misery

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on March 27, 2012
at 12:28 AM

watching Sweet Misery right now. just what I needed to re-quit soda.

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on March 26, 2012
at 04:04 PM

youtube or where?

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on March 27, 2012
at 07:15 AM

I can't watch Hulu outside the US. does it exist on another platform?

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