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Does anybody feel like Paleo isnt helping? EDITED!!!!

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 16, 2011 at 9:57 PM

I had an emotional moment the other day and was wondering if anyone else has had the same thoughts. As a bit of background, I'm 19 years old, I started Primal/Paleo back in May, and I am hoping to compete in Crossfit competitions. I am VERY hard on myself, and have very bad body image...I can't stand not being "the best." Because of my goals with Crossfit and my own personal goals for appearance I would like to get my BF to 12%-15%. I am around 20% right now. I still look as if I have about 30% BF...which I had back in March because of birth control.

During my meltdown the other day I began to wonder if anyone else feels like Paleo is not working for them...I don't feel very different because I've always been super "healthy" and highly active and it frustrates me because I skip out on a lot in order to stay on my Paleo path while in College but I am not able to drop my body fat, which stops me from going out at all because I continue to get more muscular during Crossfit, but Im no dropping BF so I just look, and feel, big...and this stops me from fitting into all of my clothes.

I've tried no carb, VLC, LC, and just "eating Paleo" to no avail....does anyone else feel that Paleo really isnt doing as much as one would hope.

Let me clarify that I am not looking to achieve a "Waiflike" appearance. I am currently 155 at appx 20% BF and I would like to lower BF while continuing to gain muscle and improve performance(I realize this is a difficult and contradictory task when it comes to calories in/calories out)...while I am aware I do have obsessive tendencies, I am in no way trying to lower BF for unhealthy aesthetic purposes (however the lean, muscular look is one i would like to eventually achieve). I would be fine putting on 10 pounds of muscle if that meant less BF. Paleo has helped in other areas, such as immunity and performance and I am not ever looking to stop it...I am just at a point of mega frustration

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on November 18, 2011
at 09:54 PM

Wow, really? The healthiest, most vibrant are SAD eaters? I've noticed an "energy" of sorts coming off SAD eaters, but from my experience, it's likely excess energy from carbs (and possibly caffeine abuse) that our bodies don't know what to do with. So it burns it off as ADHD, anxiety, fidgeting, or chronic cardio. Pick your poison. My anxiety levels dropped by about 80-90% after losing the SAD elements and I'll take my wellbeing over being artificially amped any day.

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on November 18, 2011
at 02:50 PM

Yes, Karen, I understand your point. Thank you. Hearing and validating your friends is the most important thing. I meant this more along the line of "find friends who boost your self-esteem by being supportive and telling you the truth about your health/appearance (as in 20% body fat is healthy and you look great that way)." I definitely didn't mean it in the sense of finding friends who tell you you look great without listening to your true concerns or who say it as a way to sabotage your effort to look better or to gain greater health or greater peace with your looks."

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on November 18, 2011
at 12:44 PM

If you want to compete then IMHO it's your energy that's important, and not your bodyfat. If you want to win, you have to be able to train at optimal energy and make progress. It sounds like you've got a lot of other stuff going on too, and you're pretty worn out. How important is this competition? Can you aim for that and then back off a bit?

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on November 18, 2011
at 12:02 AM

JS, I don't know why you were down-voted. I think it's reasonable to consider watching your fat intake closely. Whereas some will be drinking CO by the spoonful, others (like me) won't avoid fat but won't go looking for extra and still others may need to moderate their fat intake while maintaining a good overall ratio--meaning that as you moderate fat you don't make offsetting increases in protein and carbs if weight loss is your goal.

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on November 17, 2011
at 09:14 PM

I usually train between 4 and 5 days a week...this doesnt mean were doing crazy METCONS each day. ususally 2 days are strength days for a max (so 1 rep max in a movement: squats, cleans, etc.) the other 3 days may include a longer endurance workout (never longer than 30 mins) or a METCON. i would cut back on training if i was after just physical improvements, but as i said im looking to compete (first comp. in 2 weeks) so i have to keep my training up a bit. also, with my job im on my feet A LOT...could be an important factor.

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on November 17, 2011
at 07:21 PM

It's not just about Paleo, it's about what and how much you're eating, and how much you're training. You could be overtraining, you could be eating too many nuts and seeds, or not enough protein, yadda yadda. Check out http://www.facebook.com/groups/fiercefitfearless/ you will find a lot of help and advice there, with plenty of women who are dropping their body fat to "visually appealing" levels and still remaining healthy.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on November 17, 2011
at 06:36 PM

who picks that ideal body type, anyway? The media. Only here's a news flash - we're all different! Reset your idea of "ideal" to correspond to your own body and your own personal standard of health.

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on November 17, 2011
at 05:58 PM

i am so right there with you and have little meltdowns almost every 2 wks. I too have that bad body image from years ago and beat myself up constantly over it. its not healthy and most of the time i think paleo is not working for me either, i'll be interested in hearing other responses as well!

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on November 17, 2011
at 05:54 PM

Henry, very few people are succeeding. Many people buy into the lies and think they are thriving- those are the vibrant people eating SAD. They are happy zoo animals! And the zoo is falling apart. Your feelings are cluing you in to the fact there is a problem; meanwhile, people invested in the system have spent years brainwashing you into thinking the problem is you.

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on November 17, 2011
at 01:30 PM

"Vibrancy" has almost nothing to do with their diet barring an actual physical problem and is mostly a state of mind. I know "vibrant" people who can't walk up a flight of stairs without getting winded. Are they healthier? No. They're happier, but again, that has NOTHING TO DO WITH DIET. You have to figure that out for yourself and if happiness is heavily linked to food then you have a psychological barrier to overcome.

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on November 17, 2011
at 12:02 PM

Oh yes tried them all even basic approach--I don't eat NADs even before I started Paleo. I eat mostly meat and veggies (starchy & greens) --always organic/grass fed. I did just test my gluten sensitivity by eating 3 saltines. No effect but not going to push it. @melissa-- I gave up the butter and coconut oil. Same outcome. I think for some people it just doesnt fit --e.g. CastleGrok

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on November 17, 2011
at 05:18 AM

Well I'm definitely more vibrant on a natural human diet (aka paleo) than on the SAD, but I admit I'm probably not up there among the most vibrant. But I'm old. Don't you think it's just that you don't change your diet until it catches up with you?

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on November 17, 2011
at 04:07 AM

^still, the healthiest vibrant I know in life eat SAD 100%. Paleo people seem to have mediocore vibrancy. I still see the healthiest people are those who have no idea what paleo is.

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on November 17, 2011
at 03:46 AM

And he has a pretty decent blog too...

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on November 17, 2011
at 01:42 AM

Ill def take a look at our thrift stores! Good idea!!! And i wish i could sew :)

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on November 17, 2011
at 01:15 AM

Doesn't anybody sew anymore?

39ccdc07ecb843b6399e0df9c1a6aa1a

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on November 17, 2011
at 12:57 AM

People here seem to be anti- anything not high fat. I agree fat is good for you but when you are trying to lose body fat and your eating well reducing fat a little does work. Remember that people during paleo times were not obese or very overweight so they could care less about piling on the fat. So while fat may be healthy it does not mean it is optimal for weight loss. If people don't open up and think maybe high fat is not ALWAYS optimal paleo is going to get stuck in a rut.(Sorry I saw I got downvoted so I just wanted to rant a little)

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on November 17, 2011
at 12:53 AM

Nance, I was referring to the fact the you said you need to find what works for you within paleo. And that Paleo is not a weight loss diet. Its a health 'diet'. So if you want to lose weight you may need to tweak the way you eat while staying paleo.

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on November 17, 2011
at 12:22 AM

Henry, do you think you will do better eating lots of omega-6 PUFAs, grains and Coca-Cola at all of your meals, and nutrient-poor food? That seems unlikely to me.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 17, 2011
at 12:07 AM

For the record, I eat medium to high fat rather than low. My overall intake is fairly moderate as I'm trying to lose weight.

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on November 16, 2011
at 11:42 PM

TrynAgain, have you tried a very basic approach - just cut the NADs (vegetable oil, added sugar, and wheat) and eat real food instead of the crap-in-box stuff?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on November 16, 2011
at 11:02 PM

well, maybe it's the fat then? I notice TrynAgain's questions are often related to added fats like butter or coconut oil.

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on November 16, 2011
at 11:00 PM

I was gonna plus-1, but I quibble with one thing: friends who tell you how fabulous you look. When I started Paleo, I weighed 14 pounds more than I do now, and everyone thought I was crazy for wanting to lose weight. But they didn't see me naked. And what else are they going to say? I just feel like the specter of anorexia/bulimia has led us to be unnecessary cheerleaders when people just want to be heard and validated. So I've vowed to just listen to someone rather then give them my view. Other than that, the rest is solid and well-put. :)

39ccdc07ecb843b6399e0df9c1a6aa1a

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:52 PM

I wouldn't do it while you are trying to lose weight. When you are the bf% you want you can try adding it back in. In my opinion it is not necessary. Like Heidi I only eat the fat that is naturally on my meat already. i dont add any butter or coconut oil. I use a crockpot and some water or grill all my meat. I wont purposely avoid fatty cuts either but I won't seek them out either. I see a direct correlation between the amount of fat I eat and my leanness. I do not want to be body builder lean and fat is healthy and necessary so you need to find the amount that works for your body.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on November 16, 2011
at 10:47 PM

I got some awesome clothes at the Salvation Army this weekend. You just have to be willing to sort through crap.

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:46 PM

Michelle, I'm also a financially strapped student and single mom who has a really crappy wardrobe that is not flattering! I gained 30 lbs with my pregnancy and can't stand the idea of forking over money for more flattering clothes when what I really want is to lose the weight and wear some of my old clothes with a few new ones that reveal my super sexy, athletic curvy mom figure. I've picked up just a few very flattering outfits at Goodwill, the Salvation Army and a thrift store--all for dirt cheap (2$ a blouse, 5$ for pants etc.). I'll wear them over and over until I lose the weight.

B6114a1980b1481fb18206064f3f4a4f

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:36 PM

I don't lose weight when I eat high fat (more than about 35% of my calories). I lose weight when I eat low carb and the amount of fat that occurs naturally in my meat, in the few high dairy indulgences I give myself, and in the small amount of fat I use to cook my vegetables. So, I'm definitely not eating low fat, but I don't spoon in the extra fat (BTW, I'm only a little "overweight," not someone who needs to lose a lot)

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:33 PM

I don't lose weight when I eat high fat. I lose weight when I eat the amount of fat that occurs naturally in my meat, in the few high dairy indulgences I give myself, and in the small amount of fat I use to cook my vegetables. So I'm definitely not eating low fat, but I don't spoon in the extra fat (BTW, I'm only a little "overweight," not someone who needs to lose a lot).

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:27 PM

thank you, Melissa. perfect.

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:22 PM

how do you feel about eating 3 tbps of coconut oil a day? ive been doing that, as ive seen it recommended for many reasons.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:20 PM

id love to buy some new clothes...but i currently am 56K in college loans with 250 in my bank account. Gotta love college ;]

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:19 PM

ive tried to do moderate to high fat (depending on the day) mod protein and vlc/lc/mod. carb...the carbs are what ive changed up month to month trying to figure out what works for me.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:17 PM

lots of frustration...ive always been bigger than other girls...build wise, muscle wise, and fat wise...i have never looked "FAT" because I have ALWAYS been super active..but I dont drop weight/lose fat easily (got this from my mommy).... however, if you were to drop me back 100,000 years or so i'd survive just fine :P at least i have that over the waifs i see wandering all over campus

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on November 16, 2011
at 10:16 PM

lol VLC/LC/high-fat are pretty similar. Have you tried lower fat versions?

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:14 PM

Weight was just an example relevant for me; the only time I ever achieved good muscles with low body fat was a combination of body sculpting and endurance bicycling. The latter is controversial within paleo. Anyhow, maybe you just need to vent a little frustration? If so, we all do that from time to time.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:09 PM

I'm not trying to lose weight, per se....I know that there is NO chance for me losing weight, whether or not I drop the body fat. I would rather be 165 lbs at 12% BF (I'm 155 now at 20ish) rather than 145 and have less muscle...the goal is definitely fat loss, but not weight. I think Ive just hit that point where I want to give up because Im TOO hard on myself..but I know its good for me you get what Im saying?

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:02 PM

it is SERIOUSLY the WORST feeling ever.

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:00 PM

Keep in mind that you are at a healthy level of body fat now and attempting to get down to an unhealthy level that you find visually appealing.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on November 16, 2011
at 10:15 PM

Your body doesn't want you to go to 12-15% bodyfat because your body has been honed by millions of years of evolution to reproduce. The fat% your body was at when you reached puberty is considered by many scientists to be a "set point" that your body uses to determine whether or not you are in a situation where you can afford to be fertile. For most Western women that's around 20% body fat. Below that and your fertility will be impaired, so your body will fight to stay there. I know women who still chased the 12% body fat and now that they are older, they regret it.

If your clothes don't fit, why not buy some new ones?

20% is a perfectly healthy body fat level.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on November 16, 2011
at 10:20 PM

id love to buy some new clothes...but i currently am 56K in college loans with 250 in my bank account. Gotta love college ;]

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:27 PM

thank you, Melissa. perfect.

4ef22baeae27333863207319c1692ffd

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on November 17, 2011
at 01:42 AM

Ill def take a look at our thrift stores! Good idea!!! And i wish i could sew :)

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on November 16, 2011
at 10:47 PM

I got some awesome clothes at the Salvation Army this weekend. You just have to be willing to sort through crap.

B6114a1980b1481fb18206064f3f4a4f

(3924)

on November 16, 2011
at 10:46 PM

Michelle, I'm also a financially strapped student and single mom who has a really crappy wardrobe that is not flattering! I gained 30 lbs with my pregnancy and can't stand the idea of forking over money for more flattering clothes when what I really want is to lose the weight and wear some of my old clothes with a few new ones that reveal my super sexy, athletic curvy mom figure. I've picked up just a few very flattering outfits at Goodwill, the Salvation Army and a thrift store--all for dirt cheap (2$ a blouse, 5$ for pants etc.). I'll wear them over and over until I lose the weight.

C0fcb48d7da4f76fac17318efd2cd6b8

(4069)

on November 17, 2011
at 01:15 AM

Doesn't anybody sew anymore?

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F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:25 PM

Michelle, it sounds like you have issues that no diet can solve. Loving and accepting yourself and improving your body image are huge challenges for many women, myself included. You need to fix your HEAD, not your body. Holding yourself up to an impossible standard and then beating up both yourself and Paleo for not meeting that standard is not going to get you anywhere. First, 12-15% is very hard, if not impossible, for most women to achieve. And if you want to have kids one day it may not be a healthy % for you to be at. Women's bodies naturally have fat on them.

Here's a nice post from Sarah Fragoso of Everyday Paleo on this. http://everydaypaleo.com/2011/08/05/you-cant-fix-a-body-you-hate/

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:23 PM

It sounds like you are very frustrated and have clearly invested a lot in the hope that going Paleo would give you what you want. I can absolutely relate, so the following statement is simply my personal experience and perception of your situation.

Paleo isn't a magic bullet or a cure-all for weight, body-image, body-composition, performance etc.

It really just represents what we, a particular group of enthusiasts, "experts"/gurus, intellectuals, etc. believe is the "best" way for a human being to eat.

"Paleo" isn't even a set diet and there are numerous iterations that it can take. I think that it is hard to argue for the inclusion of industrial foods in ones diet, but the exact macronutrients and proportions of a whole food diet is far from conclusive and probably never will be.

There are nearly infinite ways one can choose to eat, overeat, not eat, etc. and if you feel like Paleo (in whatever form) isn't working for you, you can try something else. I would suggest, however, that searching for the "perfect" diet is less productive than finding acceptance and peace with who you are and what you can and cannot do.

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

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on November 17, 2011
at 03:46 AM

And he has a pretty decent blog too...

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:19 PM

Stress is not working for you. Be at peace. Drop some of these goals. You may even want to drop Crossfit, if they are of the overly competitive genre.

Oh, and I see Melissa just pointed out the whole reproduction/body fat issue. Oh look, a goal more in line with your humanity...

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:33 PM

Paleo is a good diet and lifestyle if you want to be strong, feel great, and be healthy. It's not very useful for 'cutting' down to unnaturally low body fat percentages. 20% is ideally healthy for fertile, fit, athletic-looking women. It's also very aesthetically pleasing.

If you really want to get to 12% bodyfat, forget whole foods paleo and start eating low-calorie, low-fat, high-protein (easiest way to do this is with tons of powders, bars, and supplements) and pushing your body to the limit in high-intensity workouts. Of course, this is very unhealthy for your short and long-term health and I would not recommend it.

I highly doubt you look the same now as you did at 30% body fat. I feel you may have some body dysmorphia issues.

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:36 PM

Its hard to imagine that you've been keeping strict with Paleo for almost 6 months now without any positive benefits. If something was that difficult to keep up with and didn't help me look, feel, and perform better, I just wouldn't stick with it that long.

My best guess is Paleo has provided benefits that you are overlooking or downplaying for the purposes of focusing solely on body fat %.

Also, it sounds like your attempt to try everything is probably small variations of the same thing. Have you tried intermittent fasting/carb cycling/lower fat/higher protein/eating less?

Stress could also be a huge factor that you are overlooking. You have to find a way to value other things about your health and performance besides body fat %. Even if you were to have some success losing weight and get down to 12-15%, your going to be even more stressed trying to maintain it. Don't ever let a goal that may or may not be feasible determine your emotional state.

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:28 PM

If you feel healthy, then Paleo is working for you. Please realize I'm not belittling your goal of a lower body fat, but please consider that even elite female athletes often have body fat of 18-22%. When I was at the height of my athletic career as a national competitor in taekwondo, I still had a body fat of 19% and damn, I looked good! Part of learning not to be too hard on yourself or your body is to accept what you can change by behavior and what is genetics (or just being a woman whose body wants to have a little fat . . .). I'm not saying to give up your goal of having a lower body fat, but learning to dress yourself in a flattering way no matter what your body fat is will do wonders for you. Find friends who tell you how fabulous you look. Find pictures of physically fit women with curves and learn to love what they look like. You probably look just like them -- young, healthy, physically fit and just a few curves at 20% body fat. In fact, I bet you look damn good.

Yes, have goals, but for emotional and spiritual health, please make your physical health not your appearance your number one goal. If you can do this, then look at Paleo through that lens and re-evaluate if it is working for you.

Good luck.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

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on November 16, 2011
at 11:00 PM

I was gonna plus-1, but I quibble with one thing: friends who tell you how fabulous you look. When I started Paleo, I weighed 14 pounds more than I do now, and everyone thought I was crazy for wanting to lose weight. But they didn't see me naked. And what else are they going to say? I just feel like the specter of anorexia/bulimia has led us to be unnecessary cheerleaders when people just want to be heard and validated. So I've vowed to just listen to someone rather then give them my view. Other than that, the rest is solid and well-put. :)

B6114a1980b1481fb18206064f3f4a4f

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on November 18, 2011
at 02:50 PM

Yes, Karen, I understand your point. Thank you. Hearing and validating your friends is the most important thing. I meant this more along the line of "find friends who boost your self-esteem by being supportive and telling you the truth about your health/appearance (as in 20% body fat is healthy and you look great that way)." I definitely didn't mean it in the sense of finding friends who tell you you look great without listening to your true concerns or who say it as a way to sabotage your effort to look better or to gain greater health or greater peace with your looks."

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:04 PM

It has to start with how you define paleo and what you expect from it. If you assume that eating paleo should automatically cause you to lose body fat, or pounds on the scale, I think that's a risky assumption. You have to customize any general approach--no matter how excellent--for specific results.

For example, I want to lose weight but I don't think paleo is a weight loss program per se. So, I need to make specific adaptions within the paleo framework to customize it for my goals.

You probably need to customize both CrossFit and paleo to optimize your results within both frameworks. For you, that may mean looking at when you eat, what you eat, when you work out, your optimal recovery time from workouts, etc.

Keep experimenting!

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:09 PM

I'm not trying to lose weight, per se....I know that there is NO chance for me losing weight, whether or not I drop the body fat. I would rather be 165 lbs at 12% BF (I'm 155 now at 20ish) rather than 145 and have less muscle...the goal is definitely fat loss, but not weight. I think Ive just hit that point where I want to give up because Im TOO hard on myself..but I know its good for me you get what Im saying?

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on November 16, 2011
at 10:17 PM

lots of frustration...ive always been bigger than other girls...build wise, muscle wise, and fat wise...i have never looked "FAT" because I have ALWAYS been super active..but I dont drop weight/lose fat easily (got this from my mommy).... however, if you were to drop me back 100,000 years or so i'd survive just fine :P at least i have that over the waifs i see wandering all over campus

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 16, 2011
at 10:14 PM

Weight was just an example relevant for me; the only time I ever achieved good muscles with low body fat was a combination of body sculpting and endurance bicycling. The latter is controversial within paleo. Anyhow, maybe you just need to vent a little frustration? If so, we all do that from time to time.

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:15 PM

I don't think Paleo has the power to change your genetics... some of just can't reach our "ideal" body types as easily as others. It takes me forever to put muscle on, and right now with college and grad school on the horizon I simply can't exert the effort to make noticeable gains. But I've come to accept this and I'm comfortable with myself. I'm sure you don't look as bad as you think (trust me, I've had those days).

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on November 17, 2011
at 06:36 PM

who picks that ideal body type, anyway? The media. Only here's a news flash - we're all different! Reset your idea of "ideal" to correspond to your own body and your own personal standard of health.

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on November 17, 2011
at 06:48 PM

Nobody has asked how often and how intensely are you doing crossfit? Overdoing it there could be stressing you out, and that's definitely counterproductive for fat loss and health in general. Why not back down a bit on the intensity and give youself a break? You said you are "VERY" hard on yourself, so I suspect you already have an inkling that this may be a wee bit of a problem...

20% is normal for a woman of child-bearing age. I agree it's hard to be a big, tall, fit woman in world that idolizes teeny waif-like models with pencil arms who are made up to look like drug addicts. Why not save your energy and be grateful that you're lucky enough to be healthy and fit and in college?

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on November 18, 2011
at 12:44 PM

If you want to compete then IMHO it's your energy that's important, and not your bodyfat. If you want to win, you have to be able to train at optimal energy and make progress. It sounds like you've got a lot of other stuff going on too, and you're pretty worn out. How important is this competition? Can you aim for that and then back off a bit?

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(1683)

on November 17, 2011
at 09:14 PM

I usually train between 4 and 5 days a week...this doesnt mean were doing crazy METCONS each day. ususally 2 days are strength days for a max (so 1 rep max in a movement: squats, cleans, etc.) the other 3 days may include a longer endurance workout (never longer than 30 mins) or a METCON. i would cut back on training if i was after just physical improvements, but as i said im looking to compete (first comp. in 2 weeks) so i have to keep my training up a bit. also, with my job im on my feet A LOT...could be an important factor.

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on November 17, 2011
at 12:26 AM

I think my bodyfat percentage has dropped by I don't see any improvements on my performance like some people say.

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on November 17, 2011
at 12:18 AM

I'm starting to give up on Paleo too. I'm 23. I think we all just get excited about Paleo because it works really well for the first month, but then we probably just need to go back to SAD, and then go back to Paleo, which doesn't sound fun. It's either you thrive or you don't, I don't think we'll ever figure out why some humans succeed, and others just can't.

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on November 17, 2011
at 12:22 AM

Henry, do you think you will do better eating lots of omega-6 PUFAs, grains and Coca-Cola at all of your meals, and nutrient-poor food? That seems unlikely to me.

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(7821)

on November 17, 2011
at 01:30 PM

"Vibrancy" has almost nothing to do with their diet barring an actual physical problem and is mostly a state of mind. I know "vibrant" people who can't walk up a flight of stairs without getting winded. Are they healthier? No. They're happier, but again, that has NOTHING TO DO WITH DIET. You have to figure that out for yourself and if happiness is heavily linked to food then you have a psychological barrier to overcome.

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on November 17, 2011
at 05:18 AM

Well I'm definitely more vibrant on a natural human diet (aka paleo) than on the SAD, but I admit I'm probably not up there among the most vibrant. But I'm old. Don't you think it's just that you don't change your diet until it catches up with you?

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on November 17, 2011
at 04:07 AM

^still, the healthiest vibrant I know in life eat SAD 100%. Paleo people seem to have mediocore vibrancy. I still see the healthiest people are those who have no idea what paleo is.

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on November 17, 2011
at 05:54 PM

Henry, very few people are succeeding. Many people buy into the lies and think they are thriving- those are the vibrant people eating SAD. They are happy zoo animals! And the zoo is falling apart. Your feelings are cluing you in to the fact there is a problem; meanwhile, people invested in the system have spent years brainwashing you into thinking the problem is you.

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on November 18, 2011
at 09:54 PM

Wow, really? The healthiest, most vibrant are SAD eaters? I've noticed an "energy" of sorts coming off SAD eaters, but from my experience, it's likely excess energy from carbs (and possibly caffeine abuse) that our bodies don't know what to do with. So it burns it off as ADHD, anxiety, fidgeting, or chronic cardio. Pick your poison. My anxiety levels dropped by about 80-90% after losing the SAD elements and I'll take my wellbeing over being artificially amped any day.

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:20 PM

I agree with Nance.

If you want to drop body fat try medium carb, low to medium fat, high protein. Workout 3-4 times a week max and walk a lot. This is mostly from my experience but it helped me drop to my desired body fat levels. Medium to High fat (while healthy) may not be optimal for dropping body fat. So you can reduce fat a little, have a little more safe starch and increase protein.

Hopefully this helps.

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:22 PM

how do you feel about eating 3 tbps of coconut oil a day? ive been doing that, as ive seen it recommended for many reasons.

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:33 PM

I don't lose weight when I eat high fat. I lose weight when I eat the amount of fat that occurs naturally in my meat, in the few high dairy indulgences I give myself, and in the small amount of fat I use to cook my vegetables. So I'm definitely not eating low fat, but I don't spoon in the extra fat (BTW, I'm only a little "overweight," not someone who needs to lose a lot).

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on November 17, 2011
at 12:57 AM

People here seem to be anti- anything not high fat. I agree fat is good for you but when you are trying to lose body fat and your eating well reducing fat a little does work. Remember that people during paleo times were not obese or very overweight so they could care less about piling on the fat. So while fat may be healthy it does not mean it is optimal for weight loss. If people don't open up and think maybe high fat is not ALWAYS optimal paleo is going to get stuck in a rut.(Sorry I saw I got downvoted so I just wanted to rant a little)

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:52 PM

I wouldn't do it while you are trying to lose weight. When you are the bf% you want you can try adding it back in. In my opinion it is not necessary. Like Heidi I only eat the fat that is naturally on my meat already. i dont add any butter or coconut oil. I use a crockpot and some water or grill all my meat. I wont purposely avoid fatty cuts either but I won't seek them out either. I see a direct correlation between the amount of fat I eat and my leanness. I do not want to be body builder lean and fat is healthy and necessary so you need to find the amount that works for your body.

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(37227)

on November 17, 2011
at 12:07 AM

For the record, I eat medium to high fat rather than low. My overall intake is fairly moderate as I'm trying to lose weight.

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(682)

on November 17, 2011
at 12:53 AM

Nance, I was referring to the fact the you said you need to find what works for you within paleo. And that Paleo is not a weight loss diet. Its a health 'diet'. So if you want to lose weight you may need to tweak the way you eat while staying paleo.

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(3924)

on November 16, 2011
at 10:36 PM

I don't lose weight when I eat high fat (more than about 35% of my calories). I lose weight when I eat low carb and the amount of fat that occurs naturally in my meat, in the few high dairy indulgences I give myself, and in the small amount of fat I use to cook my vegetables. So, I'm definitely not eating low fat, but I don't spoon in the extra fat (BTW, I'm only a little "overweight," not someone who needs to lose a lot)

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(37227)

on November 18, 2011
at 12:02 AM

JS, I don't know why you were down-voted. I think it's reasonable to consider watching your fat intake closely. Whereas some will be drinking CO by the spoonful, others (like me) won't avoid fat but won't go looking for extra and still others may need to moderate their fat intake while maintaining a good overall ratio--meaning that as you moderate fat you don't make offsetting increases in protein and carbs if weight loss is your goal.

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:01 PM

I do!!! I have try all varieties (VLC/LC/High fat etc) and I feel crappier than before I started

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on November 16, 2011
at 10:16 PM

lol VLC/LC/high-fat are pretty similar. Have you tried lower fat versions?

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on November 16, 2011
at 11:02 PM

well, maybe it's the fat then? I notice TrynAgain's questions are often related to added fats like butter or coconut oil.

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(2861)

on November 16, 2011
at 11:42 PM

TrynAgain, have you tried a very basic approach - just cut the NADs (vegetable oil, added sugar, and wheat) and eat real food instead of the crap-in-box stuff?

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on November 17, 2011
at 12:02 PM

Oh yes tried them all even basic approach--I don't eat NADs even before I started Paleo. I eat mostly meat and veggies (starchy & greens) --always organic/grass fed. I did just test my gluten sensitivity by eating 3 saltines. No effect but not going to push it. @melissa-- I gave up the butter and coconut oil. Same outcome. I think for some people it just doesnt fit --e.g. CastleGrok

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(1683)

on November 16, 2011
at 10:02 PM

it is SERIOUSLY the WORST feeling ever.

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(1683)

on November 16, 2011
at 10:19 PM

ive tried to do moderate to high fat (depending on the day) mod protein and vlc/lc/mod. carb...the carbs are what ive changed up month to month trying to figure out what works for me.

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