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Does animal fat/protein protect against the deleterious effects of grains?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 12, 2013 at 2:43 PM

I heard this somewhere and am wondering if anyone else has too?

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 21, 2013
at 08:00 PM

You're the only one who actually answered this yes or no question with a direct yes or no.

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on March 15, 2013
at 06:52 AM

A synergistic effect on increasing intestinal permeability, no?

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on March 15, 2013
at 02:00 AM

Ha, yes. Soaking all those grains doesn't do a lot of good then, does it? And it's a heck of a lot of work. My n=1 as well.

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on March 12, 2013
at 04:36 PM

Hmmm...interesting. I see that a lot of articles pop up in google for breast feeding correlating with lower incidences of celiac disease but I wonder. Celiac rates are climbing and yet more babies are breast fed now than when I was a baby (formula only over 50 years ago).

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 12, 2013
at 04:18 PM

Idk if I'm gluten sensitive/intolerant, I stopped eat grains for 10 months with good results though. Yea I mean any of the deleterious effects; I've read that breast fed babies have lower rates of celiac disease so is it the sfa in breast milk? Idk, that's why I'm asking.. Lol.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 12, 2013
at 04:15 PM

Because I've heard grains and dairy can have a synergistic effect. It seems a little rash to blame the current obesity epidemic (which started in the 1980s) on grains and not vegetable oils and hfcs though.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 12, 2013
at 03:55 PM

Thanks, interesting.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 12, 2013
at 03:54 PM

I'm starting to think rancid veggie oils are the main culprit behind poor health. Then HFCS because it does exceptionally weird shit in the body; followed by grains and sugars mainly because they tend to displace real foods. I hate the taste of oats though...

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on March 12, 2013
at 03:30 PM

Oh, and about the Mellanby mega dosing oats and affecting vitamin D absorbtion in the gut, I don't think that matters because personally i feel it's ideal to synthesize the majority of your vitamin d through the skin (i.e. sunlight).

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on March 12, 2013
at 03:29 PM

Oh, and about the Mellanby mega dosing oats and affecting vitamin D absorbtion in the gut, I don't think that matters because personally i feel it's ideal to synthesize the majority of your vitamin d through the skin.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 12, 2013
at 03:26 PM

In elementary school my sandwich used to do that same thing.. Weird..

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on March 12, 2013
at 03:06 PM

I +1 all constructive answers, even if they're just n=1.

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on March 12, 2013
at 03:26 PM

Yes. We are omnivores. So, if you are eating grains and not also eating animal products, then you are potentially (but not necessarily) lacking variety and crowding out nutrients from other healthful food sources. Actually, this is the primary reason I think whole grain consumption is "bad" for people with healthy metabolisms- only because over consumption will start crowding out other healthful food sources, which could compromise immunity and GI health, to name just a couple of reasons. So, I think they're only bad in context. Also, over consumption would mean not just an unbalanced diet, but an unbalanced meal, which may have detrimental affects long term on blood sugar.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 12, 2013
at 03:30 PM

Oh, and about the Mellanby mega dosing oats and affecting vitamin D absorbtion in the gut, I don't think that matters because personally i feel it's ideal to synthesize the majority of your vitamin d through the skin (i.e. sunlight).

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 12, 2013
at 03:54 PM

I'm starting to think rancid veggie oils are the main culprit behind poor health. Then HFCS because it does exceptionally weird shit in the body; followed by grains and sugars mainly because they tend to displace real foods. I hate the taste of oats though...

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 12, 2013
at 03:29 PM

Oh, and about the Mellanby mega dosing oats and affecting vitamin D absorbtion in the gut, I don't think that matters because personally i feel it's ideal to synthesize the majority of your vitamin d through the skin.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 21, 2013
at 08:00 PM

You're the only one who actually answered this yes or no question with a direct yes or no.

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on March 12, 2013
at 03:12 PM

I'm sure the intake of protein and fat would slow-down the absorption of carbohydrates, thus preventing the grains from screwing with your blood sugar, but I've yet to read anything that claims it would protect our bodies from gluten, phytic acid, etc.

From personal experience, typical dishes that had grains with meat (sandwiches, pasta, pizza) would always screw with my insides. When I was SAD during high school, there were times that I thought my daily lunch of a sandwich was giving me food poisoning. Horrible nausea, cramping, gas.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 12, 2013
at 03:26 PM

In elementary school my sandwich used to do that same thing.. Weird..

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on March 12, 2013
at 03:52 PM

For the average citizen of the world without grain allergies, no. The major negative impact of grain-based diets today is obesity. Substitution of lard or butter for PUFA in high calorie grain-based foods like pizza, pie crust and pastries does not confer any special health benefit. If anything, the use of animal fats makes these foods more rewarding, resulting in more obesity.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 12, 2013
at 04:15 PM

Because I've heard grains and dairy can have a synergistic effect. It seems a little rash to blame the current obesity epidemic (which started in the 1980s) on grains and not vegetable oils and hfcs though.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on March 15, 2013
at 06:52 AM

A synergistic effect on increasing intestinal permeability, no?

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on March 15, 2013
at 02:20 AM

[shrug] I'm fully gluten-tolerant. I still don't eat grains because they're a lousy food, nutrition-wise. In my case there's nothing to protect against, just some more or less empty carbs and a bit of protein. On the other hand, if you're a celiac or gluten-sensitive, proteins and fats won't help you one little bit.

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782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

on March 12, 2013
at 04:06 PM

Which deleterious effects and at what threshold level? I'm guessing that you don't have a problem with gluten and so I can understand why this question would be important for you. I have a gluten sensitivity...migraines...so no amount of fat or protein protects against it. Against phytates or lectins I don't know. I guess this question could be expanded, though, from not just grains but to any food with phytates or lectins.

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

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on March 12, 2013
at 04:36 PM

Hmmm...interesting. I see that a lot of articles pop up in google for breast feeding correlating with lower incidences of celiac disease but I wonder. Celiac rates are climbing and yet more babies are breast fed now than when I was a baby (formula only over 50 years ago).

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 12, 2013
at 04:18 PM

Idk if I'm gluten sensitive/intolerant, I stopped eat grains for 10 months with good results though. Yea I mean any of the deleterious effects; I've read that breast fed babies have lower rates of celiac disease so is it the sfa in breast milk? Idk, that's why I'm asking.. Lol.

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on March 12, 2013
at 03:34 PM

Not if you are gluten-sensitive, intolerant or celiac.(and eating gluten grains)

(and yes, my n=1 on a WAP-style, high fat diet with sourdough bread. I am gluten-intolerant.)

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 12, 2013
at 03:55 PM

Thanks, interesting.

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on March 15, 2013
at 02:00 AM

Ha, yes. Soaking all those grains doesn't do a lot of good then, does it? And it's a heck of a lot of work. My n=1 as well.

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