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Does adding fat to coffee on a fast cause a NET fat loss, or is it for satiety?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 12, 2012 at 11:36 PM

So, I've no problem waking at 5am, training at 11am, and eating at 12pm. Actually, adding any calories as coconut oil or whatever makes my hunger INCREASE!

I see all the bulletproof coffee and other recommendations to dump coconut oil or butter down your pie hole during fasting hours to kick in ketosis and stoke/encourage/facilitate the fat burning process.

So, is this purely for satiety and to assuage hunger, or does it actually cause the NET BURNING OF MORE BODY FAT than fasting alone?

EDIT: As a side note, I do enjoy a bit of coconut MILK in my coffee for the taste and texture; but butter and oil floating on top of otherwise black coffee on my palate is not particularly appealing.

EDIT 2: My mind is telling me that adding fat or ANY calories to my tea or coffee is tantamount to eating and compromises the fast benefits to some degree, and that adding fat is just a way to rationalize eating SOMETHING on a fast :/

I think fat burning and fasted training are compromised on some level by doing so, period. My question here about the net fat burning effect I think is just a "mother may I" question that seeks to justify what I know intuitively doesn't work but desire none the less.

Calories matter, pure and simple; at the end of the day, fewer means weight loss, more means not. Fasted training burns bodyfat at a higher rate. Adding fat before hand MUST reduce that.

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(2417)

on November 14, 2012
at 10:45 AM

I agree. This whole question was a mother may I bid to justify or otherwise rationalize my own desire for the taste of coconut milk in my coffee. Today I drank it black. I didn't enjoy it, but my fast was good none the less :/

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19473)

on November 14, 2012
at 02:33 AM

You can use a whisk to blend it. Use hot coffee so the butter and coconut oil melt, then insert a metal balloon whisk into the mug. Hold the handle of the whisk between your outstretched palms. Move your hands as if you were trying to warm them by rubbing together, so you rotate the whisk very quickly. Works almost as well as a blender.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 14, 2012
at 12:27 AM

I think, at best, there is no difference in how your body burns fat. There is no study that suggest that it burns more fat (as far as I can see). IMO, a fast works best when it is a true fast.

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

(7370)

on November 14, 2012
at 12:05 AM

The bulletproof executive says that it keeps you from being hungry while keeping you in fat burning mode. So it's really both, I guess. Go read his blog for more info.

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(2417)

on November 13, 2012
at 10:19 PM

Do you think having coconut oil on the fast stokes fat burning and ketosis and causes a NET body fat burning effect? Or is the addition of fat to a fast purely for the easing of hunger?

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(2417)

on November 13, 2012
at 10:16 PM

Thanks guys, these are the kind of comments I'm looking for!

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(2417)

on November 13, 2012
at 10:14 PM

Interesting. Thanks ! Any word on the science though?

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(2417)

on November 13, 2012
at 10:12 PM

Please educate then on how to execute properly so as not to get the layer. Anyway, I'm concerned with the efficacy in net fat burning, not the method to make it. I like coconut milk better anyway ;/

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11048)

on November 13, 2012
at 07:54 PM

If you have a grease layer, you aren't doing it right.

7bab99c303f1e83d3d9722a414dd7b45

(524)

on November 13, 2012
at 03:56 PM

yes an electric blender. it transforms completely - colour looks like cream in the coffee and you would not know there is butter or oil at all. preheat the blender jar with hot water while you brew your coffee, dump the water out, pour in the coffee and fat and blend :)

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 13, 2012
at 03:40 PM

You are right that he says milk and not cream on his site. But a tablespoon of half-and-half is 20 calories whereas tablespoon of whole milk is 9 == Not a hugely different caloric load

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 13, 2012
at 02:43 PM

Yes, "pie" hole is not very Paleo. ;)

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

(1782)

on November 13, 2012
at 01:43 PM

Actually, according to lean gains a splash of milk, not cream, is okay. A splash of milk and a splash of cream are hugely different in terms of calories.

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(2417)

on November 13, 2012
at 11:25 AM

By blend do you mean with an electric blender, or a spoon? The latter I've tried to no avail...the oil still floats on top! Anyway, if I'm gonna take something in my coffee, I prefer coconut milk. Barely a gram of carb per serving. But as I mentioned, it's the fat burning I'm concerned with.

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(2417)

on November 13, 2012
at 09:35 AM

Well, my real concern is whether or not it causes a NET (body) fat burning effect, or is it purely for satiety to make it through the fast of you couldn't bear the hunger otherwise.

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(2417)

on November 13, 2012
at 12:54 AM

Colorful language for a bland subject. Nothing constructive to add, really?

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(4238)

on November 12, 2012
at 11:40 PM

"Pie hole," really?

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Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

on November 13, 2012
at 04:22 AM

The butter and oil do not float on top of the coffee. You blend it in, as like with a magic bullet, so that it looks pretty much like cream. It's quite rich.

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

(7370)

on November 14, 2012
at 12:05 AM

The bulletproof executive says that it keeps you from being hungry while keeping you in fat burning mode. So it's really both, I guess. Go read his blog for more info.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19473)

on November 14, 2012
at 02:33 AM

You can use a whisk to blend it. Use hot coffee so the butter and coconut oil melt, then insert a metal balloon whisk into the mug. Hold the handle of the whisk between your outstretched palms. Move your hands as if you were trying to warm them by rubbing together, so you rotate the whisk very quickly. Works almost as well as a blender.

7bab99c303f1e83d3d9722a414dd7b45

(524)

on November 13, 2012
at 03:56 PM

yes an electric blender. it transforms completely - colour looks like cream in the coffee and you would not know there is butter or oil at all. preheat the blender jar with hot water while you brew your coffee, dump the water out, pour in the coffee and fat and blend :)

Medium avatar

(2417)

on November 13, 2012
at 10:14 PM

Interesting. Thanks ! Any word on the science though?

Medium avatar

(2417)

on November 13, 2012
at 11:25 AM

By blend do you mean with an electric blender, or a spoon? The latter I've tried to no avail...the oil still floats on top! Anyway, if I'm gonna take something in my coffee, I prefer coconut milk. Barely a gram of carb per serving. But as I mentioned, it's the fat burning I'm concerned with.

Medium avatar

(2417)

on November 13, 2012
at 09:35 AM

Well, my real concern is whether or not it causes a NET (body) fat burning effect, or is it purely for satiety to make it through the fast of you couldn't bear the hunger otherwise.

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 13, 2012
at 01:28 PM

Some blogs suggest that fat calories during fast do not equate to a change in the hormone response post-workout. I have never seen a single piece of science that presents this -- it's all anecdotes of people who have done ok. Leangains suggests that no calories should be consumed during the fast (but also says a "splash" of cream in your coffee won't be a problem.).

Personally when I fast it comes in one of two forms, purposeful and situational.

In situation fasting (i.e. I missed breakfast, couldn't get down for lunch), I will add cream to my coffee.

Purposeful fasting (i.e. fasting pre-workout), I keep my coffee black and consume nothing other than a cup of coffee/tea and water.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 13, 2012
at 03:40 PM

You are right that he says milk and not cream on his site. But a tablespoon of half-and-half is 20 calories whereas tablespoon of whole milk is 9 == Not a hugely different caloric load

Medium avatar

(2417)

on November 13, 2012
at 10:16 PM

Thanks guys, these are the kind of comments I'm looking for!

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 14, 2012
at 12:27 AM

I think, at best, there is no difference in how your body burns fat. There is no study that suggest that it burns more fat (as far as I can see). IMO, a fast works best when it is a true fast.

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

(1782)

on November 13, 2012
at 01:43 PM

Actually, according to lean gains a splash of milk, not cream, is okay. A splash of milk and a splash of cream are hugely different in terms of calories.

Medium avatar

(2417)

on November 14, 2012
at 10:45 AM

I agree. This whole question was a mother may I bid to justify or otherwise rationalize my own desire for the taste of coconut milk in my coffee. Today I drank it black. I didn't enjoy it, but my fast was good none the less :/

Medium avatar

(2417)

on November 13, 2012
at 10:19 PM

Do you think having coconut oil on the fast stokes fat burning and ketosis and causes a NET body fat burning effect? Or is the addition of fat to a fast purely for the easing of hunger?

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 27, 2012
at 06:01 PM

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