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Do you realize that carbs DO make you fat? (SOMETIMES, but not always)

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created July 12, 2012 at 12:04 PM

I see all this mamby pamby shamby nonsense floating around here so let me ask you this

Do YOU know how/when/why carbs make you fat?

Go ahead and consume a large amount of fat, enough to take care of your total daily calorie requirement, and then ADD CARBS (lets say 400g) on top of that.

What happens? Does the sugar magically turn to fat?!? NOPE. The Fat you ate gets stored as fat, thanks to Mr Insulin.

And for that matter, can you get fat without sugar?? Sure can, just paruse the site and you will see people 'eating all the fat they want!' complaining and whining about not losing anymore weight, but gaining.

And one more thing, a person who eats nothing BUT carbs, is going to be a pretty lean person. Since so called denovolipogenesis is actually an ultra rare occurance inside a human being.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on August 20, 2013
at 04:22 AM

does that work for you? seriously?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on July 13, 2012
at 12:14 PM

Don't you think it's more a question of metabolism than a question of calories?

141171c0810650168d82601d85cfa5a3

(415)

on July 12, 2012
at 06:12 PM

Carbs make me HUNGRY!!! I'm not lying either. I can go all day without being hungry on protein and fat. If I eat a high-carb meal, I feel like I'm starving a couple hours later. It's not hard to see how that can lead to weight-gain.

1407bd6152d9fdbc239250385159fea1

on July 12, 2012
at 06:11 PM

@Mscott: Thank you. The day I supersede the awesomeness of the name, my work shall be done. (I should have written to this in a yoda-like fashion.)

1407bd6152d9fdbc239250385159fea1

on July 12, 2012
at 06:09 PM

May I also exercise my right to quote me? Here we go:"I could certainly make an argument that when attempting to gain muscular weight, excess calories should be met mostly by carbohydrate, secondarily by protein and only minimally by fat, but that's a different story." I'm referencing isocaloric conditions, not hyper-. Fat is more readily stored as fat in hyper-caloric conditions because it doesn't need to undergo any intensive conversion processes. Further, it's absolutely ridiculous to claim that if you consume 800 cals (200g) of carbohydrate above TDEE "next to nothing [will] happen."

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on July 12, 2012
at 06:06 PM

Bill-200 grams of carbs and fat is not calorically equal. Potato-this answer is almost as good as your name.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on July 12, 2012
at 05:08 PM

"Neither insulin, carbohydrate or fat is evil. No macronutrient is necessarily more fattening than another in an isocaloric condition" Nonsense, fat is most certainly THE MACRO responsible for 'fattening up', Consume 200 extra grams of CARBS a day vs FAT and watch next to nothing happen w the carbs, the fat is another story.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on July 12, 2012
at 05:06 PM

Thanks for the graph

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on July 12, 2012
at 05:04 PM

Awwwww look, the whiners closed it, CLICK REOPEN

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(10611)

on July 12, 2012
at 04:55 PM

I only wish that all rabbits would starve to death. It's arguable whether you need carbs to survive. It's not arguable what my garden needs to survive. Death to bunnies! And as an aside the graphs are great!

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on July 12, 2012
at 04:52 PM

@Tyler F...Oh, I see what you are saying now. I have had discussions, even today, where people have claimed that they can sustain a calorie surplus and not gain weight if they eat the right mix of macros and whole foods. So it is not a lie. I think we all recognize that their is more to the equation than total calories for optimum health but if you want to lose weight, you must create a calorie deficit.

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on July 12, 2012
at 04:15 PM

^When you say 'You' are you referring to me? I am most definitely in the calories matter camp.

276a5e631b62f8e0793987c0496364bb

(1644)

on July 12, 2012
at 04:04 PM

You need to stop with the lie that people who realize that calories are not all that matter think that you can eat forever and not gain weight. It's nothing but a strawman.

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on July 12, 2012
at 03:55 PM

^ This was obviously not a troll. It was posted by a member of over a year with over 5K rep points. What I take issue with is that when you post 'feel' good questions/comments that are in support of the fanatic followers of 'eat all the protein/fats you want and don't gain weight' they up vote it to eternity. If you post contrary to their dogma, they close the topic or START TYPING IN ALL CAPS ON EVERYTHING.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on July 12, 2012
at 03:50 PM

And without censorship, all of the trolls that are bored because they are out of school would have free reign over the site.

1bbcd2122d9c75b07440f22ef57d6448

(2934)

on July 12, 2012
at 03:10 PM

Just wait until you meet Mrs. Insulin. She's a real number.

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on July 12, 2012
at 03:03 PM

Over eating can mean a lot of things. Whole/natural foods typically have low caloric density when compared to processed foods. You can eat a whole lot more in terms of volume of whole/natural foods than processed foods and still consume the same number of calories. This is the advantage and why paleo dieters don't fell hungry and get to eat 'more'. So yes, you can 'over eat' on whole/natural foods and not gain weight. If you consume more calories than your daily requirement for a sustained period, you will gain weight.

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on July 12, 2012
at 02:59 PM

^ It ends the discussion and people see closed and do not enter. It is censorship. If you disagree, please add your dissent to the discussion.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on July 12, 2012
at 02:38 PM

Mark: It doesn't stop people from seeing it, only adding answers.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on July 12, 2012
at 02:38 PM

I don't know man, just eating too much doesn't make me gain weight necessarily (eg. forcing me to eat food sometimes just gives me more energy, especially if it's sweet food). Maybe I don't track my weight well enough, but it doesn't seem impossible either, since studies show overfeeding raises metabolism and some tribes do overfeeding.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on July 12, 2012
at 02:37 PM

Nice! I wish I could upvote this 100 times.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on July 12, 2012
at 02:29 PM

Nah the best hack was that made by Ambimorph : http://paleohacks.com/questions/78343/is-lowered-t3-resulting-from-a-low-carb-diet-problematic/78345#78345

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(10611)

on July 12, 2012
at 02:23 PM

Potatoavenger's response with the graphs is one of the best hacks I've seen here. Lucky he got it up before Double Jeopardy started.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on July 12, 2012
at 02:10 PM

Ah I like this one. Thanks, Potato Avenger.

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on July 12, 2012
at 02:03 PM

Also, please see Potatoe Avenger's post...it is quite excellent. By closing you are preventing others from seeing it.

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on July 12, 2012
at 02:01 PM

Closed? Really? I recognize this was not a formal question and not very well written but that can describe a lot of questions on this board. I believe a thread like this starts a discussion that is important. See MrsD's comment above. Please judge the thread by the discussion and not the OP's poor choice of words before you close it. If you disagree with the premise, feel free to add your voice to the discussion.

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on July 12, 2012
at 01:59 PM

Graphs are always winners!

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on July 12, 2012
at 01:57 PM

+1. I started paleo and was going all crazy with the carbs AND the fat and lo and behold, weight gain.. What? Why? I haven't been eating that much.. must be my thyroid...erm...bullshit..

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on July 12, 2012
at 01:51 PM

Like the pretty graph with colors! Great post.

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(10611)

on July 12, 2012
at 12:45 PM

Outside of life all diets are pointless. Shut off your computer and go outside.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on July 12, 2012
at 12:13 PM

And once again I say, without considering hunger and satiety (and probably food reward), looking at macronutrient ratios is pointless. But it is not pointless if the goal is to reduce hunger. I would say hunger makes you fat, not calories.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on July 12, 2012
at 12:11 PM

Well, I'm glad we settled that once and for all...

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1407bd6152d9fdbc239250385159fea1

on July 12, 2012
at 01:48 PM

I feel as if I should down-vote this question solely because it's written poorly and is a major oversimplification, but my petty side wants to do so because you patronized someone the other day from atop a self-constructed, rickety pedestal because they stated that rabbit starvation occurs in humans, while you contended that it was a condition characteristic only to the long-eared hoppers of this planet . . . Oh boy. Sure, a rabbit can in fact starve to death (poor Bugs), but neither does that constitute "rabbit starvation" in the situation to which he was referring, nor does it rationalize your rudeness (trying to avoid that here, myself).

Moving on, there's a major difference between short-term* and long-term* fat storage. Insulin is a storage hormone. It stimulates glucose uptake in muscle & adipose tissue, synthesizes glycogen, stops lipolysis, and drives protein synthesis (as well as other actions within the body). Based on this, one might say that in the short term, insulin is a "fattening" hormone. This is the point at which low-carb "experts" of the late 90s stopped their train of thought. Unfortunately for their theories, the body is not that simple. Here's a basic diagram of how human organisms manage weight homeostasis with all the "fattening" insulin hanging out in the bloodstream in the postprandial condition:

do-you-realize-that-carbs-do-make-you-fat?-(sometimes,-but-not-always)

ASP (Acylation Stimulating Protein) is the primary mediator of fat storage in the absence of insulin and similarly, is not inherently fattening in the long run.

How can this possibly be explained? Is everything fattening? Is nothing fattening? Good golly molly, what the hell am I going to tell people on internet forums? How's this: Energy balance governs weight. Genetics, external stimuli, hormones, and to a lesser degree, macronutrients, govern individual tissue growth (skeletal muscle vs. adipose tissue).

Calories matter. Neither insulin, carbohydrate or fat is evil. No macronutrient is necessarily more fattening than another in an isocaloric condition. (I could certainly make an argument that when attempting to gain muscular weight, excess calories should be met mostly by carbohydrate, secondarily by protein and only minimally by fat, but that's a different story.)

This is still a massive oversimplification of the complex processes that occur daily within the body, but hopefully it's a more clear version of the above compendium.

Cheers.

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on July 12, 2012
at 01:59 PM

Graphs are always winners!

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on July 12, 2012
at 01:51 PM

Like the pretty graph with colors! Great post.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on July 12, 2012
at 02:37 PM

Nice! I wish I could upvote this 100 times.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on July 12, 2012
at 02:10 PM

Ah I like this one. Thanks, Potato Avenger.

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(10611)

on July 12, 2012
at 04:55 PM

I only wish that all rabbits would starve to death. It's arguable whether you need carbs to survive. It's not arguable what my garden needs to survive. Death to bunnies! And as an aside the graphs are great!

1407bd6152d9fdbc239250385159fea1

on July 12, 2012
at 06:11 PM

@Mscott: Thank you. The day I supersede the awesomeness of the name, my work shall be done. (I should have written to this in a yoda-like fashion.)

1407bd6152d9fdbc239250385159fea1

on July 12, 2012
at 06:09 PM

May I also exercise my right to quote me? Here we go:"I could certainly make an argument that when attempting to gain muscular weight, excess calories should be met mostly by carbohydrate, secondarily by protein and only minimally by fat, but that's a different story." I'm referencing isocaloric conditions, not hyper-. Fat is more readily stored as fat in hyper-caloric conditions because it doesn't need to undergo any intensive conversion processes. Further, it's absolutely ridiculous to claim that if you consume 800 cals (200g) of carbohydrate above TDEE "next to nothing [will] happen."

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on July 12, 2012
at 05:08 PM

"Neither insulin, carbohydrate or fat is evil. No macronutrient is necessarily more fattening than another in an isocaloric condition" Nonsense, fat is most certainly THE MACRO responsible for 'fattening up', Consume 200 extra grams of CARBS a day vs FAT and watch next to nothing happen w the carbs, the fat is another story.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on July 12, 2012
at 05:06 PM

Thanks for the graph

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on July 12, 2012
at 06:06 PM

Bill-200 grams of carbs and fat is not calorically equal. Potato-this answer is almost as good as your name.

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Cf416725f639ffd1bb90764792ce7b8a

(2799)

on July 12, 2012
at 12:37 PM

I've always wondered about insulin's gender...

1bbcd2122d9c75b07440f22ef57d6448

(2934)

on July 12, 2012
at 03:10 PM

Just wait until you meet Mrs. Insulin. She's a real number.

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B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on July 12, 2012
at 01:08 PM

Good for you that you believe all that. Now let me eat my liver with coffee mixed with coconut oil and fifty grams of sugar and not gain any fat.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on August 20, 2013
at 04:22 AM

does that work for you? seriously?

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on July 12, 2012
at 12:46 PM

Carbs and fats CAN make you fat but they don't have to.

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81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on July 12, 2012
at 01:19 PM

So you are saying that if I consume more calories than my total daily calorie requirement that I will gain weight? How is this news? Regardless of which macro I am consuming I would gain weight if I am consuming over my daily requirement. Carbs, fat, protein - too much = weight gain.

Specific macro loads have specific advantages from person to person. The terrible advice that gets passed on as truth on this board is the 'eat all the protein/fats you want'. If you eat over your total daily calorie requirement for a sustained period, you will gain weight.

My GF eats like a bird. Does not matter what it is. Salad, ice cream, whatever...she eats small portions and has weighed and will always weigh around 105 pounds. She has always been good at eating proper portions. Telling her to eat 'all she wants' would work. She has great control over her appetite. Telling me that...well I would look like Jabba in a few months.

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on July 12, 2012
at 03:03 PM

Over eating can mean a lot of things. Whole/natural foods typically have low caloric density when compared to processed foods. You can eat a whole lot more in terms of volume of whole/natural foods than processed foods and still consume the same number of calories. This is the advantage and why paleo dieters don't fell hungry and get to eat 'more'. So yes, you can 'over eat' on whole/natural foods and not gain weight. If you consume more calories than your daily requirement for a sustained period, you will gain weight.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on July 12, 2012
at 02:38 PM

I don't know man, just eating too much doesn't make me gain weight necessarily (eg. forcing me to eat food sometimes just gives me more energy, especially if it's sweet food). Maybe I don't track my weight well enough, but it doesn't seem impossible either, since studies show overfeeding raises metabolism and some tribes do overfeeding.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on July 13, 2012
at 12:14 PM

Don't you think it's more a question of metabolism than a question of calories?

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on July 12, 2012
at 12:17 PM

I thought that by ingesting sugar/ insulin it open the receptors to allow Fat to come through thus attaching to the bodies frame, but then after training taking insulin opens the receptors to help the protein post workout to attach and build / repair correct me if I am wrong.

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