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Confused on how to lean out on high fat.

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Created April 19, 2011 at 2:41 AM

I still haven't dropped the weight I gained since going Paleo. It's all on my belly, and I really don't think it's my body evening out. I was fit before, and still am. With a pooch hanging on me. I'm reallllly confused by the advice on here. I have been IFing for the last 3 months or so. I see no results, but am hoping that it helps out my metabolism in the long run. I'm a woman, 30, physically active. HIIT, etc.

It does seem some women really don't drop much weight on Paleo. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to drop things like nuts and chocolate (as I see suggested here often if ones is trying to lean out) and still stay high fat without getting into high protein territory. I can't eat more than about 3 slices of bacon without having heartburn. Yes, it's pastured, uncured. I can't cover my lamb chop in ghee without wanting to puke. Heavy cream makes me one gassy lassy. I've returned to eating nuts, mostly macadmia, and chocolate, cause well, I'm getting depressed. I do some starch, but not much, and not often. Fish oil and DHA cause me to break out like a mofo.

I've seen many similar questions on here, but the answer is usually just to IF. Do I really have to just start eating spoonfuls of coconut oil? Cause that is just a quick way to nausea. What to eat???

Ae3b7ea9f3755af32287825db8d98796

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on March 02, 2012
at 01:01 AM

Belly fat on a woman can be do to several things. Have you had your hormone levels checked? Estrogen dominance can cause belly fat.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on January 12, 2012
at 10:39 PM

From what I have heard cortisol in women will make fat accumulate in the legs/thighs/bum. Cortisol in guys accumulates in the gut. I could be wrong.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 19, 2011
at 04:37 AM

Try some Irish Lamb stew, but maybe sub out the potatoes with turnips. Delicious!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 15, 2011
at 07:20 PM

Belly fat on a woman almost has to be Cortisol. Try a 30 day experiment of walking and doing weightlifting and clean up your sleep habits. Also, if you can't digest fat easily that speaks of some level in disregulation of intestinal flora. Probiotics?

Ec1ccabfa4292286b93315dbce2baa91

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on July 18, 2011
at 08:42 PM

Don't be ridiculous. I eat when I'm hungry and do not require my body to adapt to what my mind has read concerning what my body "should" do and also maintain everything how it should be (not just BF/BMI, but composition, lean appearance, no metabolic syndrome symptoms or digestive problems).. If your way of fixing a problem is to address its symptoms (ignoring hunger/eating even when you're not hungry) as opposed to fixing the broken mechanism, then your advice probably won't be in much demand here. BF and BMI is not the end-all, be-all. Many people are unhealthy and have low BF/BMI..

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on May 03, 2011
at 05:18 PM

25% is quite high

5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546

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on April 22, 2011
at 01:28 PM

Don't know much about Intermittent Fasting do you? It has never been suggested you, "eat an entire day's worth of calories in a compressed period of time". The recommendation is to continue with your next meal as normal not to make up for the missed meals.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on April 20, 2011
at 07:03 PM

@kelly Ketobreath will abate once you become fully keto adapted to burning fat...at least mine has. I hover around 0-5% carbs in salads and a small yam baked a couple times a week....just enough to be on the edge of full blown ketosis...but I am stll burning ketones. I still use the mint daily...which is a carb also.

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on April 20, 2011
at 04:58 AM

I made "Fisherman's Eggs" today for breakfast. It was AWESOME! I put the sardines in the bottom of a pyrex glass bowl, poured about half the included oil in with it, couple dashes of thyme, white pepper, some salt, and finely chopped scallions. Cooked it at 450 for about 5-8 minutes, then pulled it out, cracked two eggs on top, put it back in til the eggs were white and a little jiggly still. YUM.

74c2a166b7f6f13fb39af9f0f439cb38

on April 20, 2011
at 12:50 AM

IF is fad, used as idea material for paleo blog writers when they don't have any. It's also a cop-out for people who want to practice CR but can't because they can't stand feeling hungry. In short, IF is worthless. It doesn't take too much thought to realize that eating an entire day's worth of calories into a compressed period of time can't be good for you.

74c2a166b7f6f13fb39af9f0f439cb38

on April 20, 2011
at 12:47 AM

Truth hurts doesn't it. Stay fat for all I care. Doesn't matter to me. But the fact is that I maintain a low BF% and BMI, while you're still struggling to lose, so...

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on April 19, 2011
at 07:06 PM

25% carbs seems like alot...what are your carb sources?

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on April 19, 2011
at 04:43 PM

ketobreath: @Dexter, thanks for that tip!! I'm so self conscience of this problem, I can't seem to smell it but hubby says its bad!!!!

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on April 19, 2011
at 04:38 PM

if you have to, get the darkest chocolate you can find, sucking on just 10g will give you the chocolate you crave w/o all the sugar. But I wonder if that will give you heartburn as well? could be the caffeine?

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:07 PM

Ah man that sound good :)

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 02:43 PM

Thank You. Never heard of that one. I will check it out.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 02:38 PM

I got some good ones yesterday - or so I hope. I'm going to see if I can hide them in my eggs today.

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on April 19, 2011
at 01:33 PM

@valkyrie - On the sardine front, the key is finding good quality ones. If you have a natural food store, they should have some. They're more pricey, but in my experience they taste more like tuna than regular tinned sardines. Also, if you can't find the better ones, mixing them with avocado is a great way to make them more palatable.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

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on April 19, 2011
at 01:32 PM

I'm just not hungry for breakfast anymore, so I usually eat lunch instead of breakfast, and dinner about 7-8 hours after lunch.

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on April 19, 2011
at 05:49 AM

lol i know what you mean. whenever i feel a craving for chocolate, its a sure sign that something in my life is out of whack. for me, it might indicate i'm about to have a herpes outbreak, or something as simple as not enough sleep. i use cravings as symbols and aim to decipher the real meaning. i don't medicate if i don't have to and keep any OCD-like trains of thought at bay. some days hi-starch, some days hi-protein, others hi-fat - cycle it according to feeling.

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on April 19, 2011
at 04:59 AM

Or even just the yolks. Who needs those egg whites anyway. I'll fry about one whole egg plus four yolks in the pan and only til the yolk is gooey (turn off the heat then flip to just finish off whatever egg white on top is still uncooked). Then I put it all on top of meat; when I break the yolks I have nature's simplest sauce. Yummy and fatty.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on April 19, 2011
at 04:10 AM

KETOBREATH: I live in Az where I can grow fresh mint. I cut a few sprigs from the plant and chew the stems and leaves and swallow the whole mass. Seems to sweeten up the acetones a little...and be sure to brush briskly your tongue morning and night Lots of nastys hang out there in the crevises.

4bf5827bfb7df85c5b4b485db0945e64

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on April 19, 2011
at 04:02 AM

Oh cool. Good luck with your goals. Also, I like green tea and a walk first thing in the morning before eating to aid in fat loss. How long have you been taking buckthorn? Why did you start taking it and did you notice any benefit?

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:55 AM

great! thank you. This is what I was looking for. Though you'll have to pry the chocolate from my angry, angry, punchy hands.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:55 AM

The cheese was for calories...substitute another egg instead.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:53 AM

I have been dealing with gut dysbiosis my whole life. It's the best it's ever been right now. But I still have a ways to go. I used to do ACV, will start again. Your meal suggestions sound like what I need to get back onto, minus the cheese. I've just been floundering lately. Thanks! And yes on D3.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:48 AM

Phew. Ok, cortisol lowering ahead...

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:47 AM

Sea BUckthorn is 1:1 on Omegas 3 and 6, and has Omega 7.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:46 AM

working on liking lamb. I'm trying to eat it a few times a week. thanks!

4bf5827bfb7df85c5b4b485db0945e64

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:35 AM

Just eat the carbs that you enjoy but be smart about it. For example, if you are going to go for sweet potatoes or turnips or some other tuber, I'd try to eat them post-workout when the muscles are more insulin-sensitive. I personally believe some people run better with some carbs so it's worth a shot, especially since you've really tried the low-carb thing. If n-3 supplementation gives you weird side effects, like acne, you might have some quirky things going on with fat metabolism. Oh and I'm not familiar at all with sea buckthorn.

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:35 AM

steak and lamb. You may not need supplemental fats, and if the dairy makes you a "gassy lassy" (awesome btw) then by all means skip it. I flourished just eating ribeyes, oxtails, lamb shoulder steaks, and the odd raw or steamed veggie. Don't take the majority tongue-in-cheek comments about sipping ghee in-between swigs of raw cream and pemmican to believe you have to eat nothing but fat. Just eat, real, whole food. I personally did better eating between 50-65% cals from fat, any more and I would have GI issues... so you don't have to kill yourself to get moar fat, just cook and eat.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:31 AM

Hmmm. Not so right on the aversion to fat part. I used to drink coconut milk by the gallon. But I was vegan/veg. Mixing in meat with it has confused me. And frankly, I'm freaking sooo sick of coconut curry. My coconut use has decreased, and I'm having issues finding fat sources. My day sounds much like yours in terms of food, only differences are less bacon, and when dinner rolls around, I am HUNGRY, and always chow down. Good job on the sardines. That's not something I've found a way to deal with yet.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:24 AM

Oh, duh. I actually am getting GLA, because I've been taking Sea Buckthorn, which I really like. What carbs do you suggest? Sweet potato type stuff?

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:21 AM

I am FINALLY getting enough sleep. I take Vit D, and get lots of sun. I haven't tried GLA. Good advice. Thank You.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:14 AM

And paleonyc - while I'm getting the massive stress and sleep issues straightened out in my life, where should the majority of my fat be coming from?

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:14 AM

Also, make sure you're getting enough sleep and vitamin D is good!

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:10 AM

Ok. I've gotten to the point where I'm not hungry now though until noon or so. Should I ignore that and reset again? And I know sleep is an issue. I'm working on it! :)

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:09 AM

"You want to know the secret to losing weight? Eat less." If you have to take conscious control over your eating habits(as far as portions go)...something else isn't right.

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:08 AM

Paleonyc hit the nail on the head!

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:05 AM

Dude, you took that too literally. I would never eat til I puked. I meant if I ADD lots of fat to an already fatty piece of meat, it makes me feel ick. So I don't. I don't eat when I'm not hungry.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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at 03:03 AM

Fit, but add a belly. Which is aggravating my asthma. Hmmm, I would say about 5 or 6 lbs of fat. 5' 7". 145.

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61852721b5ff3613f56f043fe890a679

(1172)

on April 19, 2011
at 03:07 AM

persistent belly fat on individuals who work out "hard" (HIIT, cfit) and eat well is frequently a sign of cortisol problems.

stop fasting. it's a stressor. sleep more, work out less.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

(531)

on April 19, 2011
at 03:10 AM

Ok. I've gotten to the point where I'm not hungry now though until noon or so. Should I ignore that and reset again? And I know sleep is an issue. I'm working on it! :)

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21430)

on April 19, 2011
at 03:35 AM

steak and lamb. You may not need supplemental fats, and if the dairy makes you a "gassy lassy" (awesome btw) then by all means skip it. I flourished just eating ribeyes, oxtails, lamb shoulder steaks, and the odd raw or steamed veggie. Don't take the majority tongue-in-cheek comments about sipping ghee in-between swigs of raw cream and pemmican to believe you have to eat nothing but fat. Just eat, real, whole food. I personally did better eating between 50-65% cals from fat, any more and I would have GI issues... so you don't have to kill yourself to get moar fat, just cook and eat.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

(531)

on April 19, 2011
at 03:14 AM

And paleonyc - while I'm getting the massive stress and sleep issues straightened out in my life, where should the majority of my fat be coming from?

3ccab807e2b8bb1d050c3584d9c1dd12

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:08 AM

Paleonyc hit the nail on the head!

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

(531)

on April 19, 2011
at 03:46 AM

working on liking lamb. I'm trying to eat it a few times a week. thanks!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 19, 2011
at 04:37 AM

Try some Irish Lamb stew, but maybe sub out the potatoes with turnips. Delicious!

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06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:48 AM

Let???s start at your heartburn. You may have seen elsewhere that heartburn is a condition of not enough acid in the stomach rather than too little ???contrary to what the acid neutralizing commercials on TV say???ie Nexium, Prilosec, etc.

Purchase over the counter, betaine HCL pills to get more acid in your gut. You can also take 3 tablespoons of apple cider vinegar in 8oz of water twice a day to get more acid in your gut along with the HCL.

It appears all your problems are associated with your gut not functioning correctly. Dr Art Ayers at http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/ talks about gut dysbiosis???non functional gut.

One of the ways to heal the gut is to eat inulin???things like jicama, artichokes, Jerusalem artichokes, chicory, burdock root. Someone said Burdock grows wild in the East and is a beautiful plant. I have found it once in my grocery store. I chewed it raw and it was rather sweet. Check www.herbco.com for chicory and burdock root. These items are fiberous and ferment in the gut and heal the gut.

The other thing is a good probiotic. I use daily 50 billion cultures ULTIMATE FLORA CRITICAL CARE brand.

And Dr K has said to lose weight eliminate all sources of omega 6 Fatty Acids as well as all dairy products. Some are able to lose and drink milk and cream but some are not able. Any nuts other than the mac nuts should be avoided. All the others are loaded with O-6s

Finally, for some reason your digestive enzymes have not converted from enzymes you used to use to digest the carbs and sugar ???over to enzymes that are needed to digest fat. It may be increasing your stomach acid will do you well.

Lets talk about food. Breakfast 4 eggs panfried in ghee or coconut oil, 3 pieces of bacon, microwave a yam to just soft, slice into rounds and panfry in ghee or coconut oil til just brown. In the microwave, put in a chunk of hard cheese and melt and scoop onto the eggs. This will be enough calories to get you through to dinner.

At dinner, make a large green salad with leafy types of lettuce, green and color bell peppers, hunks of avocado, tomatoes, cucumbers, cheese crumbles and for salad dressing, Olive oil and vinegar or balsamic vinegar. I like a blend of both. And I use a lot of pepper on my salad. Never really liked it until I saw Nephropal recommend pepperine being good for the gut???now it accentuates the balsamic vinegar bite.

8 oz of a steak. I really like the recipe for steak and also for my beef liver. http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=2775 Salmon wild caught at least once a week. Chicken baked or pan fried twice a week....no skin.

Are you supplementing with Vit D3? 10000IU per day for three months then 5000IU thereafter. Helps your immune system.

Once you figure out why your gut is not handling the fat, you will be a happy camper.

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on April 19, 2011
at 04:59 AM

Or even just the yolks. Who needs those egg whites anyway. I'll fry about one whole egg plus four yolks in the pan and only til the yolk is gooey (turn off the heat then flip to just finish off whatever egg white on top is still uncooked). Then I put it all on top of meat; when I break the yolks I have nature's simplest sauce. Yummy and fatty.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:55 AM

The cheese was for calories...substitute another egg instead.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:07 PM

Ah man that sound good :)

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:53 AM

I have been dealing with gut dysbiosis my whole life. It's the best it's ever been right now. But I still have a ways to go. I used to do ACV, will start again. Your meal suggestions sound like what I need to get back onto, minus the cheese. I've just been floundering lately. Thanks! And yes on D3.

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:23 AM

My answer is also right in line with paleonyc. I'm not sure, because you didn't say, but I would guess from your tone that in the past you've been a low-fat/high-carb/whole grains-and-yogurt kind of gal, yes? And you felt like the secret was to "burn off" the fat by over-exercising.

Well that's all wrong. But it still shows through in your aversion (and I say aversion because it's completely learned, not natural) to fat. Your trick now is to retrain your brain into realizing that, "wait a second...fat is actually delicious!" Don't let your old, unhealthy habits get in the way of forming new healthier ones.

Here's a typical day for me:

  • wake up after a good 7.5-8.5 hours of sleep.
  • make a 3 egg omelet or scramble with some vegetables (mushrooms, scallions, etc..), eat 5-8 slices of bacon, drink some coconut milk
  • mid-day I have a black tea, plain, sometimes green tea
  • if I'm hungry I'll eat some nuts (but not too many!) or have a coconut milk based shake with some cream, half a banana, cocoa powder or something like that
  • when dinner rolls around, if I'm hungry I'll make a big one, if not, a small snack...it all depends on how you feel.

A typical fast/gym day (which is only twice a week at most):

  • wake up, drink water
  • later...drink water
  • more water
  • have a tea
  • 30 minutes before I go to the gym I usually have a can of sardines
  • workout til I'm sweaty (large compound lifts, or isolation depending on goals, followed by Sprint intervals on the treadmill til I'm sweating my ass off)
  • go home, make a big ol' 14oz. grassfed steak, some spinach or other greens and big mashed sweet potato with lots of cream and kerrygold. I slather everything in salted butter, or cream, and cook everything in ghee or coconut oil...and NO, it DOESN'T make me want to puke. My body craves that extra fat and carbs...having just depleted all my muscle glycogen at the gym.

My trick is also to not overwork myself. If I exercise heavily more than twice a week, I leave a day between to rest/recover.

Since starting paleo about 1.5 months ago, I've lost about 12lbs. If I find myself palteauing (which I am right now...) I'll go on a 2 day binge, high calories, lots of fat, minimal carbs, lots of protein and then resume like normal. My body says, "Oh we don't need to conserve fat, we're not in a scarcity situation, let's burn some more fat." Ketosis resumed.

My only drawback is the ketosis breath, which no amount of water/carb dosing seems to help.

Sorry bout the novel, hope this helps!

(Don't give up! There's LOTS of things to eat!)

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

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on April 19, 2011
at 01:33 PM

@valkyrie - On the sardine front, the key is finding good quality ones. If you have a natural food store, they should have some. They're more pricey, but in my experience they taste more like tuna than regular tinned sardines. Also, if you can't find the better ones, mixing them with avocado is a great way to make them more palatable.

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on April 20, 2011
at 04:58 AM

I made "Fisherman's Eggs" today for breakfast. It was AWESOME! I put the sardines in the bottom of a pyrex glass bowl, poured about half the included oil in with it, couple dashes of thyme, white pepper, some salt, and finely chopped scallions. Cooked it at 450 for about 5-8 minutes, then pulled it out, cracked two eggs on top, put it back in til the eggs were white and a little jiggly still. YUM.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on April 20, 2011
at 07:03 PM

@kelly Ketobreath will abate once you become fully keto adapted to burning fat...at least mine has. I hover around 0-5% carbs in salads and a small yam baked a couple times a week....just enough to be on the edge of full blown ketosis...but I am stll burning ketones. I still use the mint daily...which is a carb also.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:31 AM

Hmmm. Not so right on the aversion to fat part. I used to drink coconut milk by the gallon. But I was vegan/veg. Mixing in meat with it has confused me. And frankly, I'm freaking sooo sick of coconut curry. My coconut use has decreased, and I'm having issues finding fat sources. My day sounds much like yours in terms of food, only differences are less bacon, and when dinner rolls around, I am HUNGRY, and always chow down. Good job on the sardines. That's not something I've found a way to deal with yet.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

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on April 19, 2011
at 01:32 PM

I'm just not hungry for breakfast anymore, so I usually eat lunch instead of breakfast, and dinner about 7-8 hours after lunch.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on April 19, 2011
at 04:10 AM

KETOBREATH: I live in Az where I can grow fresh mint. I cut a few sprigs from the plant and chew the stems and leaves and swallow the whole mass. Seems to sweeten up the acetones a little...and be sure to brush briskly your tongue morning and night Lots of nastys hang out there in the crevises.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on April 19, 2011
at 04:43 PM

ketobreath: @Dexter, thanks for that tip!! I'm so self conscience of this problem, I can't seem to smell it but hubby says its bad!!!!

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 02:38 PM

I got some good ones yesterday - or so I hope. I'm going to see if I can hide them in my eggs today.

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:49 AM

check your 24 hr cortisol just to be sure. and do a la robb wolf and just cut down on the fat in order to use it as fuel. im not saying go low fat, im saying go lowER fat than what youre currently doing. also stop the dairy if youre eating it AND drop the nuts, they are unnecessary and contain lots of lectins and omega 6. gas from the cream indicates gut issues and/or a reaction to the quality of the dairy. nausea to fat indicates either too much fat and/or insufficient fat digestion ability. heartburn indicates lack of stomach acid, which could be from too-high cortisol/stress. acne from fish oil/dha could mean poor quality fish oil and/or its acting on you hormonally and you should STOP. get your omega 3's from naturally occurring fat in grass fed meats. trade the chocolate for starch, get enough sleep, stop any caffeine, really stop the nuts (eat some hardboiled eggs instead), and possibly supplement with some tyrosine to up your dopamine to relieve the depression.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:55 AM

great! thank you. This is what I was looking for. Though you'll have to pry the chocolate from my angry, angry, punchy hands.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on April 19, 2011
at 04:38 PM

if you have to, get the darkest chocolate you can find, sucking on just 10g will give you the chocolate you crave w/o all the sugar. But I wonder if that will give you heartburn as well? could be the caffeine?

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on April 19, 2011
at 05:49 AM

lol i know what you mean. whenever i feel a craving for chocolate, its a sure sign that something in my life is out of whack. for me, it might indicate i'm about to have a herpes outbreak, or something as simple as not enough sleep. i use cravings as symbols and aim to decipher the real meaning. i don't medicate if i don't have to and keep any OCD-like trains of thought at bay. some days hi-starch, some days hi-protein, others hi-fat - cycle it according to feeling.

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(1386)

on April 19, 2011
at 03:12 AM

You might need to supplement wit GLA since you're getting acne from n-3 supplementation. It's at least worth looking further into. The fact that you still have what I assume to be visceral fat, you HIIT, and IF, and you're "depressed", it sounds like cortisol might be an issue for you. You could start a lifestyle-diet protocol aimed at that and see how you do or get your cortisol levels checked. It might even be time to increase carbohydrate intake with Paleo food choices to increase the enjoyment of eating and to mitigate that possible cortisol issue. After 3 months of doing something that is not working, it's time to look at other things and possibly make a change.

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(531)

on April 19, 2011
at 03:21 AM

I am FINALLY getting enough sleep. I take Vit D, and get lots of sun. I haven't tried GLA. Good advice. Thank You.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

(531)

on April 19, 2011
at 03:24 AM

Oh, duh. I actually am getting GLA, because I've been taking Sea Buckthorn, which I really like. What carbs do you suggest? Sweet potato type stuff?

4bf5827bfb7df85c5b4b485db0945e64

(1386)

on April 19, 2011
at 03:35 AM

Just eat the carbs that you enjoy but be smart about it. For example, if you are going to go for sweet potatoes or turnips or some other tuber, I'd try to eat them post-workout when the muscles are more insulin-sensitive. I personally believe some people run better with some carbs so it's worth a shot, especially since you've really tried the low-carb thing. If n-3 supplementation gives you weird side effects, like acne, you might have some quirky things going on with fat metabolism. Oh and I'm not familiar at all with sea buckthorn.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

(531)

on April 19, 2011
at 03:47 AM

Sea BUckthorn is 1:1 on Omegas 3 and 6, and has Omega 7.

4bf5827bfb7df85c5b4b485db0945e64

(1386)

on April 19, 2011
at 04:02 AM

Oh cool. Good luck with your goals. Also, I like green tea and a walk first thing in the morning before eating to aid in fat loss. How long have you been taking buckthorn? Why did you start taking it and did you notice any benefit?

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(1386)

on April 19, 2011
at 03:14 AM

Also, make sure you're getting enough sleep and vitamin D is good!

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:45 PM

I think it's been said already, but stop the IFing. Intermittent Fasting is NOT a tool for leaning out. You may need to ease up on the exercise. Definitely make sure you're sleeping 8+ hours a night in a pitch black room.

Eat lots of protein and fat, and throw some non-starchy veggies on the side. Personally, I had a lot of success with switching to fattier cuts of meat (if free-range/grass-fed) and adding avocados, dressing salads with olive oil, etc. Don't freak out about getting "enough" fat, just don't be afraid of it.

If you want to lean out, yeah, it's probably a good idea to drop the chocolate and nuts (and fruit, if you're eating any). It all depends on where you are now and what your goal is. Coconut products are another great source of fat.

You didn't mention alcohol, but don't drink if you're trying to lean out.

In one of your responses, you say maybe 5-6 pounds of fat? Seriously, tighten up the diet and sleep for a month, and you'll get there before you know it. Lowish-carb paleo, not too stressful of workouts, lots of good sleep, and cut out the problem foods that have already been mentioned.

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on April 20, 2011
at 12:50 AM

IF is fad, used as idea material for paleo blog writers when they don't have any. It's also a cop-out for people who want to practice CR but can't because they can't stand feeling hungry. In short, IF is worthless. It doesn't take too much thought to realize that eating an entire day's worth of calories into a compressed period of time can't be good for you.

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(1781)

on April 22, 2011
at 01:28 PM

Don't know much about Intermittent Fasting do you? It has never been suggested you, "eat an entire day's worth of calories in a compressed period of time". The recommendation is to continue with your next meal as normal not to make up for the missed meals.

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(826)

on April 19, 2011
at 01:45 PM

If I were experiencing the issues that you are I would address my digestive problems first. You must have a milk allergy if ghee makes you gassy. Ghee is supposed to have all the proteins removed but those allergic to dairy can still have problems. Heartburn is indicative of low stomach acid production. You might try supplementing with Betaine HCl with every meal to see if that problem goes away. Not only will low stomach acid cause heartburn but you will not be digesting proteins completely allow fragmented proteins to pass through the gut wall into the bloodstream causing systemic inflammation/immune response. There is a book that describes a protocol for healing leaky gut, which might be your main problem. It's called "Gut and Psychology Syndrome" by Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride. Grain-free paleo-friendly...I highly recommend reading it.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

(531)

on April 19, 2011
at 02:43 PM

Thank You. Never heard of that one. I will check it out.

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(431)

on March 01, 2012
at 10:00 PM

Valkyrie, did you ever get this worked out? I'm in a similar boat, is why I ask!

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(8767)

on April 19, 2011
at 04:34 PM

lots of good advice here for you, so I'll just tell you whats helping me, I'm also loosing slowly, but I am loosing! My average is about 1/2 lb per week (sometimes 1/2 lb every 2 wks). So I'm down 20lbs and have the last 10 to go. To do that I'm making some adjustments to help my body get there:

-cutting back on the already limited amount of dairy (am working on getting dairy free)

-only one fruit serving per day, the rest veggies (only blueberries, love love love them)

-i like almonds but cutting those back as well no more than 1 oz per day or 1tb almond butter day

-using fitday I'm able to adjust my meals to make sure that at the end of the day my pie chart is at least 50%-55% fat, 25% protein, 25% carbs.

-I always need more fat, so an avocado or butter on veggies is always needed to find the balance. Generally dont need too much more than that as I use EVOO throughout the day or coconut oil

-review your exercise plan or make sure you are moving all day, avoid sitting if possible (i dont exercise much, but i keep moving all day long)

-review your caloric intake (stay at a healthy range but maybe you need to cut a few?)

-eat real whole foods and it should be pretty balanced, - a few teaks here and there....

i know that people dont recommend counting calories but if you are trying to loose weight it really does help find the problem if you arent currently counting...

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on April 19, 2011
at 07:06 PM

25% carbs seems like alot...what are your carb sources?

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on May 03, 2011
at 05:18 PM

25% is quite high

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on April 19, 2011
at 04:01 PM

Check out "Eat Fat Lose Fat" by Sally Fallon

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:22 PM

HCL with Pepsin. If you have heartburn, chances are very good that your stomach isn't making enough acid. Not enough acid means your stomach doesn't empty properly and you aren't digesting your food completely. HCL is cheap. Take some during a meal which would give you heartburn. If it feels like the devil took up residence in your stomach, then you don't need HCL (and take an antacid). If you feel nothing, then you definitely do need it. Continued usage seems to cause your body to start making more, so after a while you likely won't need to continue taking it (or taking as much).

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(1334)

on April 19, 2011
at 01:03 PM

avacados and eating tons of butter (she was eating hunks of it right off the stick occasionally) helped my wife lean out.

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(487)

on April 19, 2011
at 02:54 AM

A key thing you said is...

" I was fit before, and still am."

Soooo.........How much weight are you trying to lose? What is your weight/height now?

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

(531)

on April 19, 2011
at 03:03 AM

Fit, but add a belly. Which is aggravating my asthma. Hmmm, I would say about 5 or 6 lbs of fat. 5' 7". 145.

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on April 19, 2011
at 02:58 AM

The answer is not what to eat, it's what not to eat. You want to know the secret to losing weight? Eat less.

Stop acting like you need to go out and EAT whatever so-and-so's blog says you need to eat. No wonder you're not losing weight, you're eating until you puke. Doesn't that tell you you're doing something wrong?

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

(531)

on April 19, 2011
at 03:05 AM

Dude, you took that too literally. I would never eat til I puked. I meant if I ADD lots of fat to an already fatty piece of meat, it makes me feel ick. So I don't. I don't eat when I'm not hungry.

74c2a166b7f6f13fb39af9f0f439cb38

on April 20, 2011
at 12:47 AM

Truth hurts doesn't it. Stay fat for all I care. Doesn't matter to me. But the fact is that I maintain a low BF% and BMI, while you're still struggling to lose, so...

3ccab807e2b8bb1d050c3584d9c1dd12

(487)

on April 19, 2011
at 03:09 AM

"You want to know the secret to losing weight? Eat less." If you have to take conscious control over your eating habits(as far as portions go)...something else isn't right.

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(20)

on July 18, 2011
at 08:42 PM

Don't be ridiculous. I eat when I'm hungry and do not require my body to adapt to what my mind has read concerning what my body "should" do and also maintain everything how it should be (not just BF/BMI, but composition, lean appearance, no metabolic syndrome symptoms or digestive problems).. If your way of fixing a problem is to address its symptoms (ignoring hunger/eating even when you're not hungry) as opposed to fixing the broken mechanism, then your advice probably won't be in much demand here. BF and BMI is not the end-all, be-all. Many people are unhealthy and have low BF/BMI..

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