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Carbs Reduction Related to Fat Loss?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created October 04, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Okay, so I know there are a lot of you out there who advocate low carb as the only option combined with paleo for fat loss, but I also know a lot of you think low carb-Paleos are doing themselves a disfavor. I am looking to lose about 15 pounds again... the same 15 I lost going Paleo but recently gained from too many days of slipping sigh. I am now going back to strict Paleo now to lose those 15 lbs again, but originally when I lost those 15 lbs, I was VLC, and lethargic half the time. I want to try to lose those same pounds again but without that experience... but am wondering if that's what's necessary?

My menu the first time I lost weight was 4-5 omelette for breakfast, and a steak salad with avocado or something for dinner totaling out to somewhere around 1200 calories and >30 carbs. Can I still have adequate fat loss results on a similar 1200 calorie menu but with the addition of say 2 potatoes at dinner? :(

What have been your experiences? Have you lost weight with the presence of carbs? I just want to know what your honest opinions are because I know the VLC works... but it's miserable. I don't wanna test this out for a month, and find out it doesn't work, and lose that month of weight loss :/ Thank you!!

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on January 31, 2013
at 06:09 AM

amen sister! thanks for sharing!

Bfd70bb38267fcc2d762063d691fa226

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on January 30, 2013
at 08:42 PM

I agree! I have found that between 50 and 100 grams per day has been perfect for steady, sustainable fat loss

Bfd70bb38267fcc2d762063d691fa226

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on January 30, 2013
at 08:40 PM

I eat between 50 and 100 carbs per day. This has caused me to lose fat while maintaining muscle mass. I am also much less tempted to indulge. Also, the weight loss is a little slower, which is good if you are only trying to lose 15 pounds. From personal experience, if I lose weight too fast, I am more prone to cravings.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 07, 2012
at 03:41 AM

I lost 100 of my 150 on LC or VLC and 50 on moderate carb. How does that fit with your statement. I'm going to yoyo the 100 I lost but keep the 50 off?

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 06, 2012
at 03:31 PM

Okay thank you!! Back when I was lethargic the ONLY thing that made me feel so much better were nuts (which is funny now that u say I need more fat), but I couldn't lose weight with them even at 2 spoonfuls a day, so i'm saving them for a maintanenance phase. I'll have to figure out another fat source that can help me. thanks!

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 06, 2012
at 03:30 PM

Okay thank you!! Back when I was lethargic the ONLY thing that made me feel so much better for nuts, but I couldn't lose weight with them even at 2 spoonfuls a day so i'm saving them for a maintanenance phase. I'll have to figure out another fat source that can help me. thanks!

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on October 06, 2012
at 02:29 AM

Powder works best

8634d4988ced45a68e2a79e69cc01835

(1617)

on October 05, 2012
at 08:59 PM

I tried BCAA before a fasted workout, and it felt like the tablets were burning holes in my stomach! It was rough!

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on October 05, 2012
at 06:41 PM

http://www.drsharma.ca/obesity-will-losing-weight-make-you-fat.html

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on October 05, 2012
at 05:52 PM

Feeling light-headed or lethargic could be a mineral imbalance. See www.ketotic.org/2012/05/keto-adaptation-what-it-is-and-how-to.html for tips on keto-adaptation.

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on October 05, 2012
at 05:51 PM

I would not eat carbs every time you start to feel bad. That would just prevent keto-adaptation, and ensure you feel miserable.

Ae3b7ea9f3755af32287825db8d98796

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on October 05, 2012
at 01:49 AM

It might not be. Any time I went VLC, the weight came off, but came right back when I added in more carbs.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 05, 2012
at 01:33 AM

juju, Yes less than 30 carbs! And thhq thats awesome! Glad to hear it!! and Monkeyjebo that's smart maybe I'll just have a potato on days I feel out of it :/

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on October 04, 2012
at 05:45 PM

Is this a joke? Do you know how many people on this board have lost weight using LC and VLC and kept it off for years? You should pay closer attention. Yes please do dig up your "study". I'd love to see where this gem came from.

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on October 04, 2012
at 12:42 PM

Do you mean <30 carbs (less than 30)?

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on October 04, 2012
at 11:28 AM

^ Thats the opposite of what I read in a study comparing low-fat dieters to low-carb dieters. Maybe you can dig up your study, and ill see if I can find mine?

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on October 04, 2012
at 06:08 AM

I try to be under 30 carbs a day too. Sometimes I feel lightheaded or lethargic. For me, that is a clue my body needs a little more carbs. I might have a handful of frozen raspberries and coconut milk. Or 1/4 of a peach or pear.

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on October 04, 2012
at 04:48 AM

I'm not even sure that VLC is that much faster than other diet approaches.

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(10611)

on October 04, 2012
at 04:45 AM

If you learn to eat a mixed diet while you lose the weight there's less tendency to slip up once you reach your goal. I ate carbs at Med diet level and was able to run average 2 lb/week losses, and have kept that weight off for 5 years.

Ae3b7ea9f3755af32287825db8d98796

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on October 04, 2012
at 01:09 AM

+1 for knowing how to spell "lose."

Ae3b7ea9f3755af32287825db8d98796

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on October 04, 2012
at 01:08 AM

Look at it like this, you will weigh less in 3 months if you do what will make you successful. Don't put so much stress on yourself to lose 15lbs in 3 months. I have seen the most success when I stopped looking at weight loss with a set date in mind (I have to weigh this much by this day). Slow and steady will get you there and you won't be miserable in the meantime. And yes, that makes sense. I don't really know the science behind it though. I'd just say, eat the potatoes if they will make you happy!!! If you stick to whole foods you'll be healthier than 90% of people out there. Good luck!

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 04, 2012
at 12:34 AM

Hmm okay thank you!! I would to ask you the same question that i just commented on Mandy's response. What is your opinion on that? :/ thank you!!!

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 04, 2012
at 12:31 AM

thats very smart!! My goal was 5 lbs a month for 3 months.. any slower than that I think would get depressed... and if carbs are gonna cause the weight loss to be slower maybe I just shouldn't have them :/ But does the source of the carbs really matter that much if your carbs for the overall day are low? Wouldn't I still have results if 2 potatoes a day were my only carbs...? In other words, can I still be low carb (>40) with with potatoes vs. only veggies? B/c I think I could still be low carb, but that the source of them would make the difference. Does that make sense? Thank youu!

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 04, 2012
at 12:29 AM

thats very smart!! My goal was 5 lbs a month for 3 months.. any slower than that I think would get depressed... and if carbs are gonna cause the weight loss to be slower maybe I just shouldn't have them :/ But does the source of the carbs really matter that much if your carbs for the overall day are low? Wouldn't I still have results if 2 potatoes a day were my only carbs...? In other words, can I still be low carb with potatoes and still have normal paced fat loss results? Does that make sense? Thank youu!

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Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on October 04, 2012
at 08:53 AM

Sisson says that under a 100 grams is good for weight loss. I tend to beleive him most of the time. If thats true, you shouldnt need to be VLC at all. So perhaps theres a balance you can find.

Bfd70bb38267fcc2d762063d691fa226

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on January 30, 2013
at 08:42 PM

I agree! I have found that between 50 and 100 grams per day has been perfect for steady, sustainable fat loss

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Ae3b7ea9f3755af32287825db8d98796

on October 04, 2012
at 12:18 AM

I think it is absolutely possible to lose weight without going VLC. It might take you a little longer, but it will happen. I have been Paleo on and off since February. When "off," I have tried to incorporate as many principles as possible (still omitting grain, lax on dairy, some sugar, etc). I have lost 15 lbs since (which is all I needed to lose). I'm sure if I was VLC or very strictly Paleo I would have lost more and lost it faster, but I have to keep things realistic and VLC isn't sustainable for me (makes me feel horrible). There is some interesting info out there regarding women going VLC and how it can be damaging to some. I am pretty certain I read it here: www.paleoforwomen.com

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(748)

on October 04, 2012
at 12:29 AM

thats very smart!! My goal was 5 lbs a month for 3 months.. any slower than that I think would get depressed... and if carbs are gonna cause the weight loss to be slower maybe I just shouldn't have them :/ But does the source of the carbs really matter that much if your carbs for the overall day are low? Wouldn't I still have results if 2 potatoes a day were my only carbs...? In other words, can I still be low carb with potatoes and still have normal paced fat loss results? Does that make sense? Thank youu!

Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 04, 2012
at 04:48 AM

I'm not even sure that VLC is that much faster than other diet approaches.

Ae3b7ea9f3755af32287825db8d98796

(2022)

on October 04, 2012
at 01:08 AM

Look at it like this, you will weigh less in 3 months if you do what will make you successful. Don't put so much stress on yourself to lose 15lbs in 3 months. I have seen the most success when I stopped looking at weight loss with a set date in mind (I have to weigh this much by this day). Slow and steady will get you there and you won't be miserable in the meantime. And yes, that makes sense. I don't really know the science behind it though. I'd just say, eat the potatoes if they will make you happy!!! If you stick to whole foods you'll be healthier than 90% of people out there. Good luck!

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(748)

on October 04, 2012
at 12:31 AM

thats very smart!! My goal was 5 lbs a month for 3 months.. any slower than that I think would get depressed... and if carbs are gonna cause the weight loss to be slower maybe I just shouldn't have them :/ But does the source of the carbs really matter that much if your carbs for the overall day are low? Wouldn't I still have results if 2 potatoes a day were my only carbs...? In other words, can I still be low carb (>40) with with potatoes vs. only veggies? B/c I think I could still be low carb, but that the source of them would make the difference. Does that make sense? Thank youu!

Ae3b7ea9f3755af32287825db8d98796

(2022)

on October 05, 2012
at 01:49 AM

It might not be. Any time I went VLC, the weight came off, but came right back when I added in more carbs.

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100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on October 05, 2012
at 05:49 PM

I'm guessing that the reason you feel like crap is that you aren't eating enough. Very few people need to reduce calories when they reduce carbs, and doing so can definitely cause fatigue and misery.

Try eating to appetite and getting plenty of good, satiating fat.

Right now your weight gain is very minimal, but if you are restricting calories because you think you need to, you are likely to lose lean mass, and set up a starvation response in your body. This could be the beginning of a lifelong losing battle of yo-yo dieting.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on October 05, 2012
at 06:41 PM

http://www.drsharma.ca/obesity-will-losing-weight-make-you-fat.html

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on October 06, 2012
at 09:46 AM

No wonder you felt lethargic, 1200 calories a day is a huge deficit for your body to adjust to.

I would have thought the lethargy is entirely down to you not getting enough fuel in side of you. If you eat of plenty of vegetables (not potatoes, obviously) and lay off the fruit for a while, then you'll do fine AND it will be sustainable.

You definitely need to find a source of fat that suits you. If you are low carb, high protein & low fat you will feel rubbish. Please find a way to experience how fat-burning feels and then it becomes sustainable. Cream works for me, but I appreciate it doesn't work for everyone.

good luck

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 06, 2012
at 03:30 PM

Okay thank you!! Back when I was lethargic the ONLY thing that made me feel so much better for nuts, but I couldn't lose weight with them even at 2 spoonfuls a day so i'm saving them for a maintanenance phase. I'll have to figure out another fat source that can help me. thanks!

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(748)

on October 06, 2012
at 03:31 PM

Okay thank you!! Back when I was lethargic the ONLY thing that made me feel so much better were nuts (which is funny now that u say I need more fat), but I couldn't lose weight with them even at 2 spoonfuls a day, so i'm saving them for a maintanenance phase. I'll have to figure out another fat source that can help me. thanks!

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on October 04, 2012
at 09:12 AM

I lost more weight using carbs appropriately.

Leangains done paleo.

IF, eat 2x 12pm and 7pm. Lift heavy 3x week at 10:30ish. 10g BCAA before workouts, coffee if you want, black. Protein same always, more cal wo days, low cal rest days. I do 2000/1400 cal. Post workout carbs (tubers, or rice) high, fat very low, lean meat. Rest days VLC/ZC FATTY red meat.

Went from 12% to below 8% in a few months.

Medium avatar

(2417)

on October 06, 2012
at 02:29 AM

Powder works best

8634d4988ced45a68e2a79e69cc01835

(1617)

on October 05, 2012
at 08:59 PM

I tried BCAA before a fasted workout, and it felt like the tablets were burning holes in my stomach! It was rough!

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on October 04, 2012
at 04:53 PM

Some people have higher carb tolerances than others. Why don't you try your idea and see if it works for you or not. Then you will know. If your weight loss stalls or you have cravings, tweak it by cutting back on starches.

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on October 06, 2012
at 05:37 PM

Lower calories rather than carbs to lose weight and keep it off.

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on October 04, 2012
at 12:30 AM

Everyone is different, however in my experience personally and with clients I have worked with - low carb is the fastest way to shed pounds... The lethargic feeling tends to diminish once you're body has adapted to a healthy Paleo diet that is moderate-high protein, moderate-high fat (good fats: fish oil, avocado, evoo, coconut, balance of mono & PUFAs).

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C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 04, 2012
at 12:34 AM

Hmm okay thank you!! I would to ask you the same question that i just commented on Mandy's response. What is your opinion on that? :/ thank you!!!

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on October 04, 2012
at 11:25 AM

Carb reduction is only related to short term weight loss (as you by now know, as it is your second time dieting). It is inversely related with long term weight loss as low carb dieters have the lowest success rates.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 04, 2012
at 11:28 AM

^ Thats the opposite of what I read in a study comparing low-fat dieters to low-carb dieters. Maybe you can dig up your study, and ill see if I can find mine?

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on October 04, 2012
at 05:45 PM

Is this a joke? Do you know how many people on this board have lost weight using LC and VLC and kept it off for years? You should pay closer attention. Yes please do dig up your "study". I'd love to see where this gem came from.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 03:41 AM

I lost 100 of my 150 on LC or VLC and 50 on moderate carb. How does that fit with your statement. I'm going to yoyo the 100 I lost but keep the 50 off?

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