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Anyone familiar with Super Hydration??

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 05, 2013 at 6:57 AM

I've recently come across a few sources of information on super hydration for fat loss and/or muscle building, and testimonies of some purported health benefits (clearer skin/elimination of headaches/better digestion and sleep).

I've heard about this from Dr. Doug McGuff, Ellington Darden, Ph.D, and I believe even Drew Baye (although I may be wrong on that one).

http://www.exercisesolution.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/Superhydration.htm

Somewhere in these posts Mcguff claims that his best gains in muscle mass/strength as well as clients were when they temporarily superhydrated http://www.bodybyscience.net/home.html/ (sorry could not find the exact post)

Dr.Darden's website: http://www.drdarden.com/readTopic.do?id=383704 = post on super hydration

informative on this topic http://tobehealthy.com/wordpress/superhydration-to-be-healthy/

I also found this http://trivortex.com/super-Hydrate.pdf; but haven't even delved into any science/research/literature on this topic to validate it for myself.

I think this upcoming week when I start adjusting my diet to gain weight (muscle), I may try drinking 1 gallon of water a day, most before 5 PM, and see how it goes, and eventually post back with results.

Does anyone have any experience or information on this topic, because I find it extremely intriguing, and although I haven't fully looked into it, it makes sense. We are made up of lot's of water, as are our muscle cells. Saturate your body with water therefore you'd be saturating your muscle with water, potentially transferring nutrients better, and detoxing more (thus maybe leading to a decline in fat..?); if anything I want to look into this topic for brain health, maybe there is some way to "super charge" your brain or heal it by eating a high healthy fat, mct oil laden, diet with the aid of superhydration, especially from alkaline/spring water (although I haven't delved into that either - Alkaline/Spring water vs Tap/bottled)

Thanks for any input, hope this interests others as well.

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on January 08, 2013
at 04:32 PM

I am nearly 50 years old and have utilized Ellington Darden's books since I was a teenager. I do not believe that H.I.T. volumizes the muscles particularly well; as a natural trainee you will gain more size doing 6 - 12 sets per body part. The best results I had were from Darden's 'Super High-Intensity Bodybuilding' circa. mid-1980's: 16 sets per full body workout thrice weekly using free weights. http://www.amazon.com/Super-High-Intensity-Bodybuilding-Darden-Ellington/dp/0399512209 H.I.T. does in fact greatly volumize the muscles if taken with appropriate anabolic support. But I digress...

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(842)

on January 06, 2013
at 04:50 AM

Oh, I just thought to tell you, the phour salts are like drinking electrolytes in your water, without the sugar and additives of things like gatorade,etc. Just make sure not to drink all three products together. The phour salts should be separate liters. We do the puriphy and clorophyll in the morning and at night and the salts during the day when more active. You can choose to do them how you feel it works for you.

C657d176db6f11f98aeb2a89071e3281

(842)

on January 06, 2013
at 04:47 AM

There are short videos online for the phurify drops and other products. They are explained well in those.

C657d176db6f11f98aeb2a89071e3281

(842)

on January 06, 2013
at 04:46 AM

Prices are online, newsletter has weekly sales. The puriphy, phour salts and chlorophyll last two of us months, maybe two/bottle? Haven't paid close attention. We have used these products for about 8 years and try to stay alkaline with this and lots of veggies with our meats. Thing is, we don't get sick and I attribute it to this. Also use the L-Arginine. Chiropractor is Method style. Does acupuncture, too. Used to get migraines, cut three slices of ginger, wet and microwave for a few seconds and place them on eyelids and third eye. Nausea/headache go away in about 5-10 min. Repeat

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10979)

on January 06, 2013
at 02:43 AM

Well okay there are some electrolyte enhanced waters at whole foods and trader joes that have potassium bicarbonate and magnesium added to them. I'd recommend this if you drink bottled water. Potatoes are high in magnesium and potassium and a good quality unrefined sea salt will keep you from depleting your electrolytes.

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on January 06, 2013
at 02:10 AM

By the way which training plan did you use? Which of his books would you recommend? I unfortunately can't find any google ebooks of his really besides the one previously mentioned, so I might purchase a couple if it's worth it. Either that or the BBS Q&A booklet or Mike Mentzers work

443d09cb00d7c8ba7c28fdfe7bed3f5e

on January 06, 2013
at 02:08 AM

hmm that's interesting, maybe i was mistaken. I've only really looked at his website and (partially) read Bigger Muscles in 42 Days (which the diet recommendations couldn't be further from paleo/traditional,lol). Thanks for the information though, I guess I'll hold off and continue looking into it in much more depth and take some notes, and if i don't find some kind of conclusive reasoning, I'll just stick to working out hard and eating well. Thanks again.

Adb249ff0b1447d86ed308d0265e2b86

(571)

on January 05, 2013
at 11:33 PM

warns against it whilst dieting

Adb249ff0b1447d86ed308d0265e2b86

(571)

on January 05, 2013
at 11:22 PM

I recall drinking 132 US fl oz a day, eight big glasses, and it was too much for me. The water weight of all my portions of fruit and vegetables is substantial whereas Darden's diets prefer condensed foods with little water. I never heard of Darden recommending 20 g of creatine on an ongoing basis. He recommends a standard loading phase whilst working out for pure mass. He claims creatine hampers fat loss and warns against it. Darden advises loading creatine with 100 g of pure sucrose a day which made me feel awful.

443d09cb00d7c8ba7c28fdfe7bed3f5e

on January 05, 2013
at 09:14 PM

Thanks for your n=1, glad someone actually has some personal experience with this protocol. Just how much were you drinking, because I do know that he recommends slowly increasing to almost 2gal or more a day (not that I'm doubting you one bit)? Also, I've heard that one (or maybe multiple) of his books recommend "super loading" creatine as well; rather than taking something around 5g a day, or even a loading phase followed by 5g a day, I believe it was something around 20g a day, are you familiar with that?

443d09cb00d7c8ba7c28fdfe7bed3f5e

on January 05, 2013
at 08:02 PM

I have not yet begun to "super hydrate" but will attempt to soon, and yes to build muscle. I'm drinking tap/bottled water unfortunately, and not quite, i know I'm not unhealthily deficient in those electrolytes but I doubt I'm getting 100% of each. What kind of water would you recommend?

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on January 05, 2013
at 06:51 PM

Wups - typo - elete http://new.eletewater.com

9d142ffae34c518722ea67d4cfb89a19

on January 05, 2013
at 06:36 PM

_probably_ ok, I use a product called Elyte which is a potassium, magnesium, sodium liquid suspension... just adding sodium is probably a good start, but keep in mind that potassium and magnesium are important too

443d09cb00d7c8ba7c28fdfe7bed3f5e

on January 05, 2013
at 05:51 PM

thanks for the great info! how expensive are some of the things you're talking about (purify drops, etc.)? and do you in fact notice a difference in energy or benefit from drinking PH water over tap/bottled water? May I also ask, do you see a normal Chiro, or a specialized one? because I have extreme back pain/stiffness(disc bulge, multiple minor injuries to the back) which I believe may be responsible for my migraines. I've been told to go to a chrio and/or acupuncturist; but I've recently looked into an "Atlas Orthogonal Specialist" which is kind of a newer more advanced form of chiro

443d09cb00d7c8ba7c28fdfe7bed3f5e

on January 05, 2013
at 05:47 PM

Thanks for your input. Do you think if I attempt this adding about 500mg extra of sodium would be enough for electrolytes? or maybe add some more sodium and put fresh squeezed lemon and/or lime in all my water as well?

443d09cb00d7c8ba7c28fdfe7bed3f5e

on January 05, 2013
at 05:46 PM

thanks for the input. yeah I do remember when I first came across this about last month or so I tried it only for about a week, but not a gallon; I drank roughly 5-6 water bottles (something around 85oz) and would make sure to add some extra sea salt to all my food, and I did have a lot better digestion. I seemed to have a bit more energy as well.

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Adb249ff0b1447d86ed308d0265e2b86

on January 05, 2013
at 08:54 PM

I tried the "super hydration" protocol when following Ellington Darden's training plan and extremely neolithic diet. In my experience it won't make any difference to your muscle gains or fat loss whatsoever. I tried it with, I tried it without and zilch difference. I can't be bothered going to the bathroom all day.

Obviously it's healthy to drink a decent amount and I do like to eat water-rich foods, fruits and vegetables, too. How can we need to drink many times what our thirst dictates?

The only time I feel I needed extra water was when I was using creatine and found myself waking up with an extreme thirst. I'm happy to let my thirst dictate my water intake.

443d09cb00d7c8ba7c28fdfe7bed3f5e

on January 05, 2013
at 09:14 PM

Thanks for your n=1, glad someone actually has some personal experience with this protocol. Just how much were you drinking, because I do know that he recommends slowly increasing to almost 2gal or more a day (not that I'm doubting you one bit)? Also, I've heard that one (or maybe multiple) of his books recommend "super loading" creatine as well; rather than taking something around 5g a day, or even a loading phase followed by 5g a day, I believe it was something around 20g a day, are you familiar with that?

Adb249ff0b1447d86ed308d0265e2b86

(571)

on January 05, 2013
at 11:33 PM

warns against it whilst dieting

443d09cb00d7c8ba7c28fdfe7bed3f5e

on January 06, 2013
at 02:10 AM

By the way which training plan did you use? Which of his books would you recommend? I unfortunately can't find any google ebooks of his really besides the one previously mentioned, so I might purchase a couple if it's worth it. Either that or the BBS Q&A booklet or Mike Mentzers work

Adb249ff0b1447d86ed308d0265e2b86

(571)

on January 05, 2013
at 11:22 PM

I recall drinking 132 US fl oz a day, eight big glasses, and it was too much for me. The water weight of all my portions of fruit and vegetables is substantial whereas Darden's diets prefer condensed foods with little water. I never heard of Darden recommending 20 g of creatine on an ongoing basis. He recommends a standard loading phase whilst working out for pure mass. He claims creatine hampers fat loss and warns against it. Darden advises loading creatine with 100 g of pure sucrose a day which made me feel awful.

443d09cb00d7c8ba7c28fdfe7bed3f5e

on January 06, 2013
at 02:08 AM

hmm that's interesting, maybe i was mistaken. I've only really looked at his website and (partially) read Bigger Muscles in 42 Days (which the diet recommendations couldn't be further from paleo/traditional,lol). Thanks for the information though, I guess I'll hold off and continue looking into it in much more depth and take some notes, and if i don't find some kind of conclusive reasoning, I'll just stick to working out hard and eating well. Thanks again.

Adb249ff0b1447d86ed308d0265e2b86

(571)

on January 08, 2013
at 04:32 PM

I am nearly 50 years old and have utilized Ellington Darden's books since I was a teenager. I do not believe that H.I.T. volumizes the muscles particularly well; as a natural trainee you will gain more size doing 6 - 12 sets per body part. The best results I had were from Darden's 'Super High-Intensity Bodybuilding' circa. mid-1980's: 16 sets per full body workout thrice weekly using free weights. http://www.amazon.com/Super-High-Intensity-Bodybuilding-Darden-Ellington/dp/0399512209 H.I.T. does in fact greatly volumize the muscles if taken with appropriate anabolic support. But I digress...

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on January 05, 2013
at 03:40 PM

I think at least a gallon a day is good for digestion (in my own experience) and eliminating headaches. I didn't realize I was 'super hydrating' but rock on! try it and let us know how it goes. Depending on the climate I'm in I drink more as well (i.e. in Arizona I think I must have had 2 gallons a day, but in Iowa, 4 to 5 liters is my typical I think)

443d09cb00d7c8ba7c28fdfe7bed3f5e

on January 05, 2013
at 05:46 PM

thanks for the input. yeah I do remember when I first came across this about last month or so I tried it only for about a week, but not a gallon; I drank roughly 5-6 water bottles (something around 85oz) and would make sure to add some extra sea salt to all my food, and I did have a lot better digestion. I seemed to have a bit more energy as well.

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9d142ffae34c518722ea67d4cfb89a19

on January 05, 2013
at 10:58 AM

I too drink 6-8 litres of water a day, perhaps more if it's hot out and I'm working hard.

Have never come across hyperhydration other than in the context of hyponatremia. Certainly never in the context of muscle gains.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

If you are going to down a lot of water, make sure you're introducing electrolytes or you may get yourself into trouble.

443d09cb00d7c8ba7c28fdfe7bed3f5e

on January 05, 2013
at 05:47 PM

Thanks for your input. Do you think if I attempt this adding about 500mg extra of sodium would be enough for electrolytes? or maybe add some more sodium and put fresh squeezed lemon and/or lime in all my water as well?

9d142ffae34c518722ea67d4cfb89a19

on January 05, 2013
at 06:51 PM

Wups - typo - elete http://new.eletewater.com

9d142ffae34c518722ea67d4cfb89a19

on January 05, 2013
at 06:36 PM

_probably_ ok, I use a product called Elyte which is a potassium, magnesium, sodium liquid suspension... just adding sodium is probably a good start, but keep in mind that potassium and magnesium are important too

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C657d176db6f11f98aeb2a89071e3281

on January 05, 2013
at 07:47 AM

I drink at least a gallon and a half of ph water (distilled with purify drops and chlorophyll) and phour salts in separate liters (magnesium, potassium, sodium bicarbonate and calcium) to keep the blood cells healthy (chlorophyll feeds the cells, the puriphy drops raise the alkalinity, water is clean of fungus, parasites, etc.). I studied a lot of it in "the Ph Miracle" by Robert O Young, www.phmiracleliving.com The measure he recommends for water is about 1 liter for each 30 lbs you weigh each day. I weigh 125 so I should be drinking 125divided by 30 = 4 liters. I drink a lot more. My chiropractor tells me sometimes that my muscles are "dry" and recommends me to up my intake of water. Distilled water enters the cells faster as the molecule is smaller without the attached minerals. The body works less to hydrate the cells immediately. He explains it a lot better than I do.

C657d176db6f11f98aeb2a89071e3281

(842)

on January 06, 2013
at 04:47 AM

There are short videos online for the phurify drops and other products. They are explained well in those.

443d09cb00d7c8ba7c28fdfe7bed3f5e

on January 05, 2013
at 05:51 PM

thanks for the great info! how expensive are some of the things you're talking about (purify drops, etc.)? and do you in fact notice a difference in energy or benefit from drinking PH water over tap/bottled water? May I also ask, do you see a normal Chiro, or a specialized one? because I have extreme back pain/stiffness(disc bulge, multiple minor injuries to the back) which I believe may be responsible for my migraines. I've been told to go to a chrio and/or acupuncturist; but I've recently looked into an "Atlas Orthogonal Specialist" which is kind of a newer more advanced form of chiro

C657d176db6f11f98aeb2a89071e3281

(842)

on January 06, 2013
at 04:46 AM

Prices are online, newsletter has weekly sales. The puriphy, phour salts and chlorophyll last two of us months, maybe two/bottle? Haven't paid close attention. We have used these products for about 8 years and try to stay alkaline with this and lots of veggies with our meats. Thing is, we don't get sick and I attribute it to this. Also use the L-Arginine. Chiropractor is Method style. Does acupuncture, too. Used to get migraines, cut three slices of ginger, wet and microwave for a few seconds and place them on eyelids and third eye. Nausea/headache go away in about 5-10 min. Repeat

C657d176db6f11f98aeb2a89071e3281

(842)

on January 06, 2013
at 04:50 AM

Oh, I just thought to tell you, the phour salts are like drinking electrolytes in your water, without the sugar and additives of things like gatorade,etc. Just make sure not to drink all three products together. The phour salts should be separate liters. We do the puriphy and clorophyll in the morning and at night and the salts during the day when more active. You can choose to do them how you feel it works for you.

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Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 05, 2013
at 06:43 PM

I'm not familiar with it but it sounds interesting. Are you drinking distilled, tap, spring or reverse osmosis water? Are you making sure you get 100%+ RDA for your electrolytes (magnesium/potassium/sodium/calcium)? Are you doing this specifically for gaining muscle?

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10979)

on January 06, 2013
at 02:43 AM

Well okay there are some electrolyte enhanced waters at whole foods and trader joes that have potassium bicarbonate and magnesium added to them. I'd recommend this if you drink bottled water. Potatoes are high in magnesium and potassium and a good quality unrefined sea salt will keep you from depleting your electrolytes.

443d09cb00d7c8ba7c28fdfe7bed3f5e

on January 05, 2013
at 08:02 PM

I have not yet begun to "super hydrate" but will attempt to soon, and yes to build muscle. I'm drinking tap/bottled water unfortunately, and not quite, i know I'm not unhealthily deficient in those electrolytes but I doubt I'm getting 100% of each. What kind of water would you recommend?

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