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Am I eating too much fat?

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Created November 12, 2012 at 8:44 PM

I am just starting out on Paleo and wondering if I need to worry about how much fat I'm eating. I am starting the diet mainly for weight loss (hoping to lose about 20 lbs) but am exciting about it as a larger lifestyle change.

I have been having 2 eggs and a half of an avocado for breakfast, sometimes along with an apple and sunflower seed butter.

For snacks I have been eating cashews and olives.

I know that a lot of these foods are pretty fatty. Should I be worried about trying to lose weight? Do you think I should omitting or reducing any of those foods?

Thanks!

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 14, 2012
at 02:34 AM

Fat doesn't make you fat while carb does because fat doesn't elicit an insulin response while carbs do. Don't compare a stick of grassfed butter to a banana (as opposed to apples vs oranges), they both may be elongated and yellow, but the effects are different.

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on November 13, 2012
at 10:00 PM

i would drop the seed butter & limit the calories from nuts, but that's just me. my preferred nut would be macadamia

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on November 13, 2012
at 09:59 PM

i would drop the seed butter & limit the calories from cashews, but that's just me

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on November 13, 2012
at 07:29 PM

No, I don't think that fat will always make you fat whenever one has insulin in their system, but that doesn't mean that eating fat doesn't make you fat. The line is ubiquitous in the paleo-sphere, and that's my point- for people who are critical of conventional wisdom, it's the same logic as "carbs don't make you fat." You have to clarify that too much of any macronutrient will, in fact, make you fat. The fat doesn't make you fat line (just limit carbs) is responsible for the same thing the carbs don't make you fat line (just limit fat)- people end up over-eating and going from one extreme

F694fc245d03b64d6936ddb29f4c9306

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on November 13, 2012
at 06:01 PM

And what's with all the name-dropping? Who said anything about Dr. Bernstein? The fat-doesn't-make-you-fat line is ubiquitous in MDA and RW, too. Does their advice not apply to healthy, normal people, either? And are you actually saying that fat will always make you fat whenever you have any insulin in your system? That's the biggest load of bull I've heard yet! How would anyone ever lose weight if that were the case?

F694fc245d03b64d6936ddb29f4c9306

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on November 13, 2012
at 05:55 PM

Sounds like you're putting a lot of words in my mouth. I gave a simple answer to a simple question. Look at the OP's diet description. Does that look like too much fat to you? Do you think that a person asking that kind of question is ready for an answer differentiating oleic from palmitic acid? Man, people on PH are getting really anal-retentive.

Dd74e6399ae697d8603dc9aa74fbafae

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on November 13, 2012
at 05:29 PM

Somewhere between 12 percent and 15 percent. I'm currently not very active due to work and studies (exams) so comparing it to HG males is pointless. However, if my intentions are to get that low, I'm sure I could, but that's not the point. Show me any studies that correlates high fat intake, that is unprocessed fat from dairy, coconut or animal, with loss of muscle mass and a gain in fat and I will reconsider my diet.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on November 13, 2012
at 03:41 PM

Really? Just glancing at traditional HGs, males seem to be at around 10% body fat and below. I have no idea what scale you're referring to when you say "pretty low."

Dd74e6399ae697d8603dc9aa74fbafae

(695)

on November 13, 2012
at 02:59 PM

Thanks! Doesn't seem to be working though. I'm currently 80kg (176 lb) with a pretty low fat percent. However, when I ate a carbohydrate heavy diet I was 75kg (165 lb) with a much higher fat percent. People have different metabolisms, my ancestors lived on pretty much only fat, and that's probably why it works for me. My point was to show that her fat consumption was not at all too much.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on November 13, 2012
at 02:56 PM

I see you, like most others, are fond of using equivalent logic as Durianrider (fruit doesn't make you fat either). Also, even within your point, some fats are easier to burn for energy than others (ex- oleic acid is easier than palmitic acid). Also, fat only won't make you fat in the absence of insulin. Unless you're a type 1 diabetic, you're never existing in a zero-insulin environment. Dr. Bernstein protocol does not apply to healthy, normal people

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on November 13, 2012
at 02:41 PM

I see you, like virtually every other paleohacker, are fond of using equivalent logic as Durianrider (fruit doesn't make you fat either). Also, even within your point, some fats are easier to burn for energy than others (ex- oleic acid is easier than palmitic acid). Also, fat only won't make you fat in the absence of insulin. Unless you're a type 1 diabetic, you're never existing in a zero-insulin environment. Dr. Bernstein protocol does not apply to healthy, normal people

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on November 13, 2012
at 02:28 PM

Congratulations- you're well on you're way to becoming an unathletic, skinny-fat weakling!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on November 13, 2012
at 02:24 PM

I see you, like virtually every other paleohacker, is fond of using equivalent logic as Durianrider (fruit doesn't make you fat either). Also, even within your point, some fats are easier to burn for energy than others (ex- oleic acid is easier than palmitic acid). Also, fat only won't make you fat in the absence of insulin. Unless you're a type 1 diabetic, you're never existing in a zero-insulin environment. Dr. Bernstein protocol does not apply to healthy, normal people.

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on November 12, 2012
at 11:15 PM

If you're exceeding your caloric needs with any macronutrient, it will impede weight loss.

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on November 12, 2012
at 10:21 PM

To give you a very general, many people here eat 40-70% of their calories from fat. I myself am usually in the 50-65% range, depending on if it's a high-carb day or a low-carb day for me.

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8d6390b3b8991a9cb653a3d13c1cbf6a

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on November 13, 2012
at 04:56 AM

For starting out any major diet change, I would suggest ignoring calories for the first week or so. You're already feeling a bit cranky from having to eat other foods, and not having other comfort foods you're used to. So, don't sweat the fat or calories for awhile, dig in, and make sure you're happy for the first week or two. Getting frustrated and quitting is a far bigger problem with most lifestyle changes.

After that, for whether it's too much fat or calories, the scale is one good source of feedback ;-)

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F694fc245d03b64d6936ddb29f4c9306

(2613)

on November 12, 2012
at 08:52 PM

No, you're not. Eating fat doesn't make you fat. That being said, do worry about eating too much polyunsaturated fat (PUFA), especially Omega-6.

F694fc245d03b64d6936ddb29f4c9306

(2613)

on November 13, 2012
at 06:01 PM

And what's with all the name-dropping? Who said anything about Dr. Bernstein? The fat-doesn't-make-you-fat line is ubiquitous in MDA and RW, too. Does their advice not apply to healthy, normal people, either? And are you actually saying that fat will always make you fat whenever you have any insulin in your system? That's the biggest load of bull I've heard yet! How would anyone ever lose weight if that were the case?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on November 13, 2012
at 02:41 PM

I see you, like virtually every other paleohacker, are fond of using equivalent logic as Durianrider (fruit doesn't make you fat either). Also, even within your point, some fats are easier to burn for energy than others (ex- oleic acid is easier than palmitic acid). Also, fat only won't make you fat in the absence of insulin. Unless you're a type 1 diabetic, you're never existing in a zero-insulin environment. Dr. Bernstein protocol does not apply to healthy, normal people

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on November 13, 2012
at 02:24 PM

I see you, like virtually every other paleohacker, is fond of using equivalent logic as Durianrider (fruit doesn't make you fat either). Also, even within your point, some fats are easier to burn for energy than others (ex- oleic acid is easier than palmitic acid). Also, fat only won't make you fat in the absence of insulin. Unless you're a type 1 diabetic, you're never existing in a zero-insulin environment. Dr. Bernstein protocol does not apply to healthy, normal people.

F694fc245d03b64d6936ddb29f4c9306

(2613)

on November 13, 2012
at 05:55 PM

Sounds like you're putting a lot of words in my mouth. I gave a simple answer to a simple question. Look at the OP's diet description. Does that look like too much fat to you? Do you think that a person asking that kind of question is ready for an answer differentiating oleic from palmitic acid? Man, people on PH are getting really anal-retentive.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on November 13, 2012
at 02:56 PM

I see you, like most others, are fond of using equivalent logic as Durianrider (fruit doesn't make you fat either). Also, even within your point, some fats are easier to burn for energy than others (ex- oleic acid is easier than palmitic acid). Also, fat only won't make you fat in the absence of insulin. Unless you're a type 1 diabetic, you're never existing in a zero-insulin environment. Dr. Bernstein protocol does not apply to healthy, normal people

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19463)

on November 14, 2012
at 02:34 AM

Fat doesn't make you fat while carb does because fat doesn't elicit an insulin response while carbs do. Don't compare a stick of grassfed butter to a banana (as opposed to apples vs oranges), they both may be elongated and yellow, but the effects are different.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on November 13, 2012
at 07:29 PM

No, I don't think that fat will always make you fat whenever one has insulin in their system, but that doesn't mean that eating fat doesn't make you fat. The line is ubiquitous in the paleo-sphere, and that's my point- for people who are critical of conventional wisdom, it's the same logic as "carbs don't make you fat." You have to clarify that too much of any macronutrient will, in fact, make you fat. The fat doesn't make you fat line (just limit carbs) is responsible for the same thing the carbs don't make you fat line (just limit fat)- people end up over-eating and going from one extreme

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on November 13, 2012
at 02:38 PM

It's an individual thing. If you're eating a certain amount and your headed in the right direction towards meeting your goals, then you're in the ballpark. If your results slow, halt, or reverse, then it would be wise to start rearranging macronutrients or adjust your lifestyle (ex- exercise choice) in some relevant way.

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on November 13, 2012
at 01:29 PM

I would track macronutrients ratios on a site like myfitnesspal to see where you are and compare that to where to want to be. I stay around 40/35/25 carbs/fat/protein but everyone is different and you will have to find a ratio that works for you.

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on November 12, 2012
at 10:26 PM

Worry only if you are eating too much food overall. Just keep your diet stable, count your calories once in a while to get a general idea, and try to stay consistent.

Other than that, my advice is eat what you enjoy the most (within paleo + safe starches, of course). For different people macronutrient ratios are different.

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A90dfb3c8b984191d8102ccfc0203e90

on November 14, 2012
at 11:54 AM

Doesn't sound like a problem to me. Fats don't make you fat, unless you eat waaaaay too much of them.

I have four eggs fried in coconut oil AND avocado and sometimes even beef for breakfast, so I'm pretty sure that's way more fat than you ate, and I'm doing fine.

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Dd74e6399ae697d8603dc9aa74fbafae

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on November 13, 2012
at 01:19 AM

Personally I eat approximately 50 grams of coconut fat, 50 grams of geese fat or butter, 60-80 grams of fat from meat, 20 grams of fat from milk, 10 grams of fat from eggs and 5 grams of fat from fish oil for a total of 180-230 grams of fat daily, or up to 2100 calories a day. While eating this much fat I have no problems losing weight, in fact I have more trouble gaining weight. Just avoid combining meals heavy in fat and refined carbohydrates and you can pretty much eat as much fat as you want.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on November 13, 2012
at 02:28 PM

Congratulations- you're well on you're way to becoming an unathletic, skinny-fat weakling!

Dd74e6399ae697d8603dc9aa74fbafae

(695)

on November 13, 2012
at 05:29 PM

Somewhere between 12 percent and 15 percent. I'm currently not very active due to work and studies (exams) so comparing it to HG males is pointless. However, if my intentions are to get that low, I'm sure I could, but that's not the point. Show me any studies that correlates high fat intake, that is unprocessed fat from dairy, coconut or animal, with loss of muscle mass and a gain in fat and I will reconsider my diet.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on November 13, 2012
at 03:41 PM

Really? Just glancing at traditional HGs, males seem to be at around 10% body fat and below. I have no idea what scale you're referring to when you say "pretty low."

Dd74e6399ae697d8603dc9aa74fbafae

(695)

on November 13, 2012
at 02:59 PM

Thanks! Doesn't seem to be working though. I'm currently 80kg (176 lb) with a pretty low fat percent. However, when I ate a carbohydrate heavy diet I was 75kg (165 lb) with a much higher fat percent. People have different metabolisms, my ancestors lived on pretty much only fat, and that's probably why it works for me. My point was to show that her fat consumption was not at all too much.

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on November 14, 2012
at 10:57 AM

Try http://getnow.org/paleo Worked for me!

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