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All I ever believed about food, being turned upside down. Can you simplify this so even a cavewoman can understand?

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Created May 14, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Is CUTTING the GRAINS and SUGAR and STARCH what makes the FAT all ok? I can't quite grasp this concept through my months-long food induced brain fog, which caused me to withdraw from nursing school and pretty much crawl in a food coma hole, and now, having found this, try to climb out. I am hopeful, but can't wrap my mind around the idea that it's ok to eat fat...certain fats, and lots of them.

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I agree, I have never experienced this lack of hunger pains. I could go for 6+ hours on a handful of nuts. These paleo meals and snacks just go for miles.

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Thanks for the edit, I tried to space it before I posted it, but it didn't go:) Glad it was a helpful explanation, I like to visualize things:)

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at 06:40 AM

That makes sense. You have to look at the whole picture.

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From a peer-reviewed journal. My professor would approve. And have a cow!

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Oh my! Nursing school heresay! I am going to read this and have this knowlege and feel like such an outlaw! heehee

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Hmm. Ok, this is REALLY new to me but I am open minded. I am in the habit of drizzling flax seed oil on things. But I will try this. I want the benefits.

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at 05:01 AM

I like this explanation! Also, I added some paragraph breaks for readability.

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(Smile) I will have to try that experiment. I have long put myself to bed by eating something. Except it wouldn't be a SMALL snack...I am glad to hear about flexibility with this, I am really turned off by obsessiveness about anything. I want to be done obsessing about food.

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at 03:40 AM

Thanks, I am going to go look at that. It may take a little effort to understand, but I want and need to understand it. It seems like people here do invest considerable effort in being well informed.

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at 03:38 AM

Cool. I do get it!

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Well, what I have been taught in nutrition class and what I see around me. People who eat alot of fat--ARE fat. Or so it seems. I know we need fat. I just never thought of it as a fuel for the body as long as it was being actively consumed in abundance. I thought ketosis was starvation mode, or fasting mode, and would only kick in under those conditions. I just thought that as long as fat is being consumed in abundance, body fat cannot be utilised for fuel. I guess?

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at 03:28 AM

Thanks John...I became soo sedentary for the past two months, binging on carbs. I went from being able to run 5 mi. down to not being able to run at all. These past two days, off grains, eating meat, veggies and very liitle fruit, I am able to jump back in with mile runs in the morning. Can't wait to see what is ahead. I have Marks Daily Apple saved on my favorites, and I will check into that site more. I am looking at everything at once right now! Thanks again.

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The only place I ever was introduced to the idea that (the right) fat is ok/good in abundance was in a RAW food book! Which of course is, in my mind, the opposite kind of eating from paleo in regards to the meat. This really is new to me and very "unorthodox." But I think I like it.

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John: my husband is mad. He is on Crestor...he was just getting used to all the brown rice and lowfat smoothies I've been throwing at him. Now suddenly I'm cooking steaks after a few years of weaning him off the red meat! Changing to this way of eating is definately an act of faith...

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at 03:17 AM

@Morgan ^ awesome/thanks for that!

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I love this explanation! Thanks for that! I was just reading on another site, Primal Body Primal Mind, that the major common factor in people with longevity is low insulin levels. This explains that in a simple way I can understand. And congratulations on youur health!

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at 03:14 AM

Welcome to the paradigm shift, Nanco.

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at 03:12 AM

Coconut oil is unlike any other fat. Start a little slowly with it, but once your system is used to it, you can use it for everything. It's like rocket fuel.

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at 03:09 AM

Yes, I do feel very satisfied after the avocado I just had. Need to learn about the coconut oil I keep hearing about on here...

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at 03:08 AM

Thanks Kitzu, I am freaked out about it, and need to be reminded of what you just said. I am thrilled that just omitting my oatmeal from breakfast for the past two days makes me NOT feel like going back to sleep! What other discoveries are in store?

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at 02:09 AM

This is true, my wife was taken off of cholesterol medication after switching to a paleo diet.

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I'm bummed to hear you've had to withdraw from school. I want to encourage you to do what you need to do to get your head back together, hack your diet to banish the brain fog and pursue your education and career. The world needs more people in the medical profession who have an understanding of the relationship between nutrition and health.

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at 01:37 AM

The short answer is no. I'm sure you'll get someone to come on here and tell you why! This was a really hard thing for me to understand too...I'm still trying to figure it all out!

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at 03:11 AM

For your perusal:

1 - "Conclusions: A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD."

http://www.ajcn.org/content/91/3/535.full (The famed Siri-Tarino/Sun/Krauss meta-analysis, 2010)

2 - "refined carbohydrates are likely to cause even greater metabolic damage than saturated fat in a predominantly sedentary and overweight population. . . In this era of widespread obesity and insulin resistance, the time has come to shift the focus of the diet-heart paradigm away from restricted fat intake and toward reduced consumption of refined carbohydrates."

http://www.ajcn.org/content/91/6/1541.full (Hu, 2010)

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at 06:34 AM

From a peer-reviewed journal. My professor would approve. And have a cow!

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on May 14, 2012
at 03:14 AM

Welcome to the paradigm shift, Nanco.

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at 06:29 AM

Oh my! Nursing school heresay! I am going to read this and have this knowlege and feel like such an outlaw! heehee

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on May 14, 2012
at 02:03 AM

Oh,if only you could be un-brainwashed. It has taken me a moment, but I just logged my food for the day and had 1200 hundred calories (VLC), yet 63% of it was luscious fat. I have never felt more clear headed and healthy, and I have lost about 30lbs in 3 months. If I were to limit my calories to 1200, and try to do it low fat, I would be hungry and malnourished.

So here is my understanding: When you take the grains out your gut starts to heal, which in turn improves the efficiency of nutrient absorption, this gives your body what it needs so you stop craving more food for its nutrient content.

Then you start consuming healthy fats and lean proteins, and your body is all like " Whoa? Where did the carbs go? I guess we'll just burn all this dense energy from this fat and protein."

Then your insulin goes dormant and kind of gets a break from the constant management of the overload of sugar and carbs, so when a sugary carb does show up in the gut insulin is all like " Holy Shit!! Its sugar and carbs, wow I am so rested from my vacation I am going to burn this shit up in like 2 seconds, instead of the half an hour it used to take."

So, then your not eating anything, and your body is needing energy, so it has been in a rhythm of using fat for fuel, so it starts looking around and its like " Hey, I found some fat over here on the hips, lets burn it up for energy, cause insulin is taking a nap, ever since this chick stopped bombing insulin with junk he has really been able to get out of the way so we can burn all this excess blubber up."

Then your cholesterol levels drop, which makes your blood flow better, which gives your gut even more efficiency, and your body becomes a perpetual motor, fuel and oiled by fat and protein.

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on May 14, 2012
at 05:01 AM

I like this explanation! Also, I added some paragraph breaks for readability.

C4c952554fbdcdc08ca594ed3049e308

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on May 14, 2012
at 11:37 PM

Thanks for the edit, I tried to space it before I posted it, but it didn't go:) Glad it was a helpful explanation, I like to visualize things:)

Ad4e73742dd56e37e15b1a06430237cc

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on May 14, 2012
at 02:09 AM

This is true, my wife was taken off of cholesterol medication after switching to a paleo diet.

Ff5d6fd79983af7b92bfab38b71823fb

(290)

on May 14, 2012
at 03:16 AM

I love this explanation! Thanks for that! I was just reading on another site, Primal Body Primal Mind, that the major common factor in people with longevity is low insulin levels. This explains that in a simple way I can understand. And congratulations on youur health!

Baca1c17577501bce56c3ce89beaad2f

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on May 14, 2012
at 03:17 AM

@Morgan ^ awesome/thanks for that!

Ff5d6fd79983af7b92bfab38b71823fb

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on May 14, 2012
at 03:18 AM

John: my husband is mad. He is on Crestor...he was just getting used to all the brown rice and lowfat smoothies I've been throwing at him. Now suddenly I'm cooking steaks after a few years of weaning him off the red meat! Changing to this way of eating is definately an act of faith...

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on May 14, 2012
at 01:36 AM

It's not OK to eat fat, it's imperative. Getting more good fats into your diet (while at the same time getting the bad fats out) will do more for your health and well-being than you can believe. You'll feel better, think more clearly, and be less inclined to eat starchy junk because you'll be satisfied with the food you eat.

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on May 14, 2012
at 03:12 AM

Coconut oil is unlike any other fat. Start a little slowly with it, but once your system is used to it, you can use it for everything. It's like rocket fuel.

Ff5d6fd79983af7b92bfab38b71823fb

(290)

on May 14, 2012
at 03:09 AM

Yes, I do feel very satisfied after the avocado I just had. Need to learn about the coconut oil I keep hearing about on here...

Ff5d6fd79983af7b92bfab38b71823fb

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on May 14, 2012
at 06:27 AM

Hmm. Ok, this is REALLY new to me but I am open minded. I am in the habit of drizzling flax seed oil on things. But I will try this. I want the benefits.

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on May 14, 2012
at 01:52 AM

It's not cutting out all the grains/sugar/starch that makes the fat OK. The fat was always OK. The idea is to switch the base of your diet from non-optimal foods (grains/sugar/starch) to optimal foods (fat, veggies, and protein). It's like saying "If I stop driving drunk, does that make wearing my seatbelt OK?" Wearing your seatbelt was always necessary. You need to replace the unhealthy behavior (drunk driving) with the healthy behavior (wearing a seatbelt).

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at 03:23 AM

The only place I ever was introduced to the idea that (the right) fat is ok/good in abundance was in a RAW food book! Which of course is, in my mind, the opposite kind of eating from paleo in regards to the meat. This really is new to me and very "unorthodox." But I think I like it.

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on May 14, 2012
at 02:39 AM

What is really cool about losing the sugars and simple carbs from your diet is that you will not have that low blood sugar starving feeling. Most nights I go to bed feeling like I could eat something but the difference is I don't have to eat anything. I find a handful of walnuts in the evening to be enough or maybe a small bit of fruit to go with it. I've lost that, I've got to eat now or die feeling. And there is really no loss in energy level you get from a blood sugar drop. Also, I find I sleep well. Before paleo if I tried to go to bed hungry I would toss and turn most of the night or make myself get up to get a small snack and go back to bed. Now it is lights out as soon as I hit the pillow. Lastly, I do have some cheat meals during the week. You know, a service club meeting or family thing. Or maybe just a pizza night. These will have less affect on you with a paleo diet and good exercise program. Even bad carbs can be used by the muscles to burn during a workout or repair afterwards. I did a workout before heading over to my mother in laws house today knowing we would likely over eat and eat some of the wrong things. I was the only one at my house that didn't take a nap when we got home.....

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at 03:44 AM

(Smile) I will have to try that experiment. I have long put myself to bed by eating something. Except it wouldn't be a SMALL snack...I am glad to hear about flexibility with this, I am really turned off by obsessiveness about anything. I want to be done obsessing about food.

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on May 14, 2012
at 11:43 PM

I agree, I have never experienced this lack of hunger pains. I could go for 6+ hours on a handful of nuts. These paleo meals and snacks just go for miles.

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on May 14, 2012
at 02:04 AM

Stored fat is your ready reserve for hard work. Our bodies convert stored saturated fat into quick energy for our muscles when under a strain. Saturated fat is vital to good health and we would starve without it. A paleo diet would be too lean without saturated fats and this is what will help you feel full and provide energy need for work. I did not lose any weight with my regular exercise, after changing my diet a few months ago I began losing weight while increasing my work load. The proteins build muscles and the complex carbs will fuel the muscles for a while. But when they are exhausted the fat reserves are there to fuel the workout. Though, some fat reduction may be O.K. if you are very sedentary. However, a paleo diet is perfect for a good cross training program like Crossfit. 10-30 minutes most days of hard work and you will feel like you can take on any challenge. I would recommend this for any person of any age. You can also check Mark's Daily Apple for more on paleo and exercise. Enjoy...

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at 03:28 AM

Thanks John...I became soo sedentary for the past two months, binging on carbs. I went from being able to run 5 mi. down to not being able to run at all. These past two days, off grains, eating meat, veggies and very liitle fruit, I am able to jump back in with mile runs in the morning. Can't wait to see what is ahead. I have Marks Daily Apple saved on my favorites, and I will check into that site more. I am looking at everything at once right now! Thanks again.

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at 03:48 AM

Healthy fats (as opposed to junk trans fats and vegetable oils) are very important to the body. A high fat diet doesn't make you fat BUT if you eat grains and processed junk carbs you'll likely be fat. When you comment that people who eat a lot of fat are fat you need to make the distinction between those people who eat lots of carbs and junk food together with the fat vs. those of us who eat a lot of fat, protein, veggies and not a lot of high carb foods. When I eat lots of fat and protein and fairly low carb I don't gain weight. I stay at 15% or 16% body fat which is not unreasonable for a man.

One other thing to know about a high fat diet. If you're eating a lot of fat calories you won't lose weight but you won't gain weight either. So, if you're wanting to lose weight then you may want to watch your calories for some time. But, when you're at a weight you like you can eat all the fat you want but you always have to watch the junk carbs.

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That makes sense. You have to look at the whole picture.

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at 02:07 AM

Stored fat is your ready reserve for hard work. Our bodies convert stored saturated fat into quick energy for our muscles when under a strain. Saturated fat is vital to good health and we would starve without it. A paleo diet would be too lean without saturated fats and this is what will help you feel full and provide energy need for work. I did not lose any weight with my regular exercise, after changing my diet a few months ago I began losing weight while increasing my work load. The proteins build muscles and the complex carbs will fuel the muscles for a while. But when they are exhausted the fat reserves are there to fuel the workout. Though, some fat reduction may be O.K. if you are very sedentary. However, a paleo diet is perfect for a good cross training program like Crossfit. 10-30 minutes most days of hard work and you will feel like you can take on any challenge. I would recommend this for any person of any age. You can also check Mark's Daily Apple for more on paleo and exercise. Enjoy...

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Throughout the thousands of years of the human evolutionary past, sugar (honey, ripe seasonal fruit) and grains (wild grass seeds) were not abundant. The most calorie dense food around was animal fat. This is what we evolved eating. As evolution is a slower process than technological change, our bodies function more optimally on a diet of roots, tubers, seafood, meat, and plants with some nuts, seeds and fruits. Paleo 101 in a nutshell.

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at 03:38 AM

Cool. I do get it!

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at 02:18 AM

The low fat diet theory has brought forth an epidemic of insulin dysfunction pathology.

There are two essentials to life as far as macro nutrients goes.The two are essential fats and amino acids.Carbs/sugars are not essential and need to be used appropriately for good health.

It is all about balance and insulin control achieved by smart eating.No macro nutrient including fat is bad in and of itself.To much sugar/carb is bad and this is the scourge of the western diet.

The science behind this can be found here.http://robbwolf.com/what-is-the-paleo-diet/

http://thepaleodiet.com/about

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Thanks, I am going to go look at that. It may take a little effort to understand, but I want and need to understand it. It seems like people here do invest considerable effort in being well informed.

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Dietary fat has had a bad rap for many reasons (many of them wrong). Maybe you can tell us what you thought was bad about fats to begin with and we can tell you what was wrong about that.

[edit]I'll admit it was like a moment of revelation when I first saw what dropping sugars and fined grained from my diet and upping my fat n-3 and saturated fats did for my healthy.

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at 03:34 AM

Well, what I have been taught in nutrition class and what I see around me. People who eat alot of fat--ARE fat. Or so it seems. I know we need fat. I just never thought of it as a fuel for the body as long as it was being actively consumed in abundance. I thought ketosis was starvation mode, or fasting mode, and would only kick in under those conditions. I just thought that as long as fat is being consumed in abundance, body fat cannot be utilised for fuel. I guess?

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