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A question about fat

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 18, 2012 at 8:02 PM

I'm finding it very hard to lose fat lately, i'm 6' 215 pounds, i want to lose 25 pounds. Do you recommend lowering my fat consumption?

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(3213)

on January 07, 2013
at 04:29 AM

Second that^ . thanks

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(1489)

on June 19, 2012
at 07:52 PM

thanks so much :) i got over my fear of carbs too ;) in fact just had some yummy sweet potato with dinner :)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on June 19, 2012
at 07:36 PM

Do you honestly think that the people eating a traditional chinese diet of white rice, meat and vegetables are going to markedly improve their health if they drop the rice and start adding copious amounts of butter and/or coconut oil to their diet? High fat, VLC paleo is a gimmick unless perhaps you have diabetes or another health condition where ketogenic/VLC diets are beneficial. But you would have already damaged your metabolism if that's the case

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 19, 2012
at 07:35 PM

Do you honestly think that the people eating a traditional chinese diet of white rice, meat and vegetables are going to markedly improve their health if they drop the rice and start adding copious amounts of butter and/or coconut oil to their diet? High fat, VLC paleo is a gimmick unless perhaps you have diabetes or another health condition where ketogenic/VLC diets are beneficial. But you would have already damaged your metabolism if that's the case.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 19, 2012
at 07:31 PM

they are not eating better for FAT LOSS (not weight loss) and improved body composition. This is why people who already took care of themselves and were already athletic and in good health show very slight if any improvements when going paleo. If they go VLC and high fat, their body composition will decline as opposed to if they were consuming an already well balanced diet free of grains, seed oils, and sugar.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 19, 2012
at 07:28 PM

I knew what he was doing now before he said it. How did I know? Because I know what stalls people and what doesn't. Initially, people who have been eating poorly and not taking care of themselves are drawn into "paleo." They experience the benefits of omitting grains, seed oils, and excess sugar. They lose some water weight from dropping carbs. Their digestion improves. They feel better. They stop losing weight. Their body composition declines. Why? Because, while they removed some harmful foods and are (potentially) eating better for health...

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 19, 2012
at 07:25 PM

Glad you changed it up and found what works! THe jaminet's only know sense.

3b8c1cd0aa9526c41376cf0bb8bb97a7

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on June 19, 2012
at 07:00 PM

Are you taking any protein shakes?

Baa413654789b57f3579474ca7fa43d7

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on June 19, 2012
at 05:35 PM

My comment wasn't about being "right" or "wrong". Helping people is not a competition. When someone asks what they need to change, the first question should be "What are you doing now?" You can't possibly give accurate advice on the first without knowing the second. In the OP's case, lowering fat intake is one, but certainly not the only option.

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on June 19, 2012
at 12:12 AM

I feel i could be a lot leaner, i don't focus on weight but rather on appearance, my goal is to look good naked

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(3213)

on June 18, 2012
at 10:26 PM

Yes, i'm not, i eat 40-50% fat, 30-40% protein, 10-20% carbs

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 18, 2012
at 10:25 PM

If you would look at the update in the comments section, you will quickly see that I am right and you (4) are all wrong :)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 18, 2012
at 10:09 PM

If you would look at the update in the comments section, you will see that I am right and you (4) are wrong :)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 18, 2012
at 10:08 PM

If you would look at the OPs update in the comments section, you will see that I am right and you (3) are wrong.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on June 18, 2012
at 10:05 PM

Great answer !

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on June 18, 2012
at 09:55 PM

...and after reading the OPs comment update, the answer is still "yes. of course."

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on June 18, 2012
at 09:54 PM

I've lost 40-50 pounds in one year, i'm losing weight but not at the rate i would want to with the regime i'm following. *Check my comment update on the first answer

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on June 18, 2012
at 09:52 PM

Check my comment update on the first answer

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(3213)

on June 18, 2012
at 09:49 PM

On an average day: Breakfast:Omelette 3-4 eggs 2 slices of bacon, 2 tbsp. butter, vegetables. I'm a chef, at lunch time i'm working, i usually don't eat. Dinner: 3/4 pounds beef, chick or pork, assorted vegetables and herbs, olive oil and butter. For exercise: Alternate cross training and long hikes, 5-6 times a week

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on June 18, 2012
at 09:35 PM

What are you currently eating? How are you exercising? What are your fitness goals? 190lbs for 6' is pretty lean, all things considered. A little more about your lifestyle would be helpful here.

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

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on June 18, 2012
at 08:58 PM

I always lover my intakes!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 18, 2012
at 08:33 PM

Well said .

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 18, 2012
at 08:27 PM

No, but he's not. I guarantee it.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 18, 2012
at 08:27 PM

NO, but he's not.

93eea7754e6e94b6085dbabbb48c0bb7

on June 18, 2012
at 08:26 PM

And exercise!!!

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on June 18, 2012
at 08:25 PM

If he is currently eating 85% carb, 10% protein, and 5% fat, is the obvious answer still yes?

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93eea7754e6e94b6085dbabbb48c0bb7

on June 18, 2012
at 08:26 PM

Thanks! Here:

Okay when you eat do you feel satiated afterwards or are there days when, especially after lots of activity, you feel like you are missing something? It could be you are using too much butter and olive oil and seem to be low on carbs, but if you aren't hungry I wouldn't worry about that. Could you use coconut oil instead of so much olive oil and butter? It has a better nutrition profile and is pro-inflammatory. You don't have to go crazy with fat. Personally, I don't make it an addition, just get it from my fatty foods and dressings and it is more than enough.

93eea7754e6e94b6085dbabbb48c0bb7

on June 18, 2012
at 08:26 PM

And exercise!!!

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(3213)

on June 18, 2012
at 09:52 PM

Check my comment update on the first answer

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3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

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on June 19, 2012
at 02:14 PM

Perfect Health Diet - Weight Loss Version

Just read this. Really good! I found that my unweighed/unmeasured version of full-fat paleo saw me put on 10kg...this last month I've dropped the fat, but kept everything else consistent...lost over 4kg in 4 weeks. If you have enough of your own fat stores, you don't need a lot of added dietary fat...

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 19, 2012
at 07:25 PM

Glad you changed it up and found what works! THe jaminet's only know sense.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on June 19, 2012
at 07:52 PM

thanks so much :) i got over my fear of carbs too ;) in fact just had some yummy sweet potato with dinner :)

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7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

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on June 18, 2012
at 09:26 PM

Check out the Perfect Health Diet blog http://www.perfechthealthdiet.com . Search for the weight loss version of the diet.

The concept is your body needs a certain amount of protein and glucose so you should get that in your diet, a minimum of about 600 calories of P and C combined. Then eat just enough fats to get the nutirents you need, since body fat doesn't store lipid soluble vitamins. The rest of your caloric needs will be served from body fat.

Paul Jaminet does a much better job of describing it than I do, but for me it works great.

Good luck.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 18, 2012
at 10:05 PM

Great answer !

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(3213)

on January 07, 2013
at 04:29 AM

Second that^ . thanks

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on June 18, 2012
at 08:57 PM

If you feel good with your diet, maybe you could incorporate more exercise instead of tinkering with the food? I know it can take a long time to get the diet part right.

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on June 18, 2012
at 11:19 PM

well how do you feel? do you feel like you are fat? I am 5'11" and for me 215 seems ideal. I am a large person and also a chef/15 years. I would suspect after a job like ours you simply have a lot of muscle weight. Of course I don;t know if that is true without any sort of picture or anything.

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(3213)

on June 19, 2012
at 12:12 AM

I feel i could be a lot leaner, i don't focus on weight but rather on appearance, my goal is to look good naked

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on June 18, 2012
at 08:30 PM

To loose weight, you need to lover your intake of something!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 18, 2012
at 08:33 PM

Well said .

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

(7370)

on June 18, 2012
at 08:58 PM

I always lover my intakes!

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Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

on June 18, 2012
at 08:28 PM

I don't think it's obvious at all. What is your menu like? What kind of fats are you eating? What other things are you eating that might be hindering you? What is your exercise regimen, and are you plateaued or just stalled ? Have you been losing weight so far?

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(3213)

on June 18, 2012
at 09:54 PM

I've lost 40-50 pounds in one year, i'm losing weight but not at the rate i would want to with the regime i'm following. *Check my comment update on the first answer

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on June 18, 2012
at 08:11 PM

The short, obvious is answer yes. Of course.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 18, 2012
at 08:27 PM

NO, but he's not.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 18, 2012
at 08:27 PM

No, but he's not. I guarantee it.

Baa413654789b57f3579474ca7fa43d7

(2349)

on June 18, 2012
at 08:25 PM

If he is currently eating 85% carb, 10% protein, and 5% fat, is the obvious answer still yes?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 18, 2012
at 10:09 PM

If you would look at the update in the comments section, you will see that I am right and you (4) are wrong :)

Medium avatar

(3213)

on June 18, 2012
at 10:26 PM

Yes, i'm not, i eat 40-50% fat, 30-40% protein, 10-20% carbs

Baa413654789b57f3579474ca7fa43d7

(2349)

on June 19, 2012
at 05:35 PM

My comment wasn't about being "right" or "wrong". Helping people is not a competition. When someone asks what they need to change, the first question should be "What are you doing now?" You can't possibly give accurate advice on the first without knowing the second. In the OP's case, lowering fat intake is one, but certainly not the only option.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 19, 2012
at 07:31 PM

they are not eating better for FAT LOSS (not weight loss) and improved body composition. This is why people who already took care of themselves and were already athletic and in good health show very slight if any improvements when going paleo. If they go VLC and high fat, their body composition will decline as opposed to if they were consuming an already well balanced diet free of grains, seed oils, and sugar.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 19, 2012
at 07:36 PM

Do you honestly think that the people eating a traditional chinese diet of white rice, meat and vegetables are going to markedly improve their health if they drop the rice and start adding copious amounts of butter and/or coconut oil to their diet? High fat, VLC paleo is a gimmick unless perhaps you have diabetes or another health condition where ketogenic/VLC diets are beneficial. But you would have already damaged your metabolism if that's the case

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 19, 2012
at 07:35 PM

Do you honestly think that the people eating a traditional chinese diet of white rice, meat and vegetables are going to markedly improve their health if they drop the rice and start adding copious amounts of butter and/or coconut oil to their diet? High fat, VLC paleo is a gimmick unless perhaps you have diabetes or another health condition where ketogenic/VLC diets are beneficial. But you would have already damaged your metabolism if that's the case.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 18, 2012
at 10:25 PM

If you would look at the update in the comments section, you will quickly see that I am right and you (4) are all wrong :)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 18, 2012
at 09:55 PM

...and after reading the OPs comment update, the answer is still "yes. of course."

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 18, 2012
at 10:08 PM

If you would look at the OPs update in the comments section, you will see that I am right and you (3) are wrong.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 19, 2012
at 07:28 PM

I knew what he was doing now before he said it. How did I know? Because I know what stalls people and what doesn't. Initially, people who have been eating poorly and not taking care of themselves are drawn into "paleo." They experience the benefits of omitting grains, seed oils, and excess sugar. They lose some water weight from dropping carbs. Their digestion improves. They feel better. They stop losing weight. Their body composition declines. Why? Because, while they removed some harmful foods and are (potentially) eating better for health...

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