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Is marijuana paleo? How does it affect fat loss?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created April 25, 2011 at 8:51 AM

I'm assuming good ol' mary jane is pretty paleo. I go through periods of smoking it and then not, just a puff at night/ before bed, it helps me sleep. Other than a possible case of "the munchies", how does it affect fat loss? Does it slow down my metabolism? If so, is it significant enough to avoid? What has been your experience?

680d8bf6dbbb956837a719f43da702f5

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on September 24, 2013
at 01:49 PM

The point wasn't that weed and smoking crack are the same. It's just dumb to ask if smoking pot is Paleo.

34a31e6e59ee73ac7ddfd96c3e653919

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on September 23, 2013
at 11:54 PM

because thats just the exact same thing as smoking a bit of weed...

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on September 23, 2013
at 05:02 PM

Can you point to ANY compelling evidence that small quantities of marijuana are harmful to the human body? I'd be curious to see it. I've searched far and wide and found absolutely nothing aside from vague reference to lung/trachea damage being possible with VERY excessive consumption. Even lung damage is questionable with small doses or the use of a water pipe or vaporizer.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Omega 6 is absorbed through smoke? Am I missing something?

De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

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on April 15, 2013
at 07:41 PM

cannabis cures stomach discomfort very well, especially stomach discomfort caused by eating junk high on cannabis the night before! but seriously i find it does help digestive issues really well, vaporizing is better than smoking but still not best, edibles are great & you can't use them daily so no addiction potential like the ease of smoking/vaping

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on April 15, 2013
at 06:39 PM

LD-50 is a useful measure for drug toxicity, but it's not relevant to any other health concerns. Pure fructose has an immense LD-50, but that doesn't mean it's harmless to eat large amounts.

37cc142fbb183f2758ef723a192e7a9d

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on April 15, 2013
at 12:55 PM

For what it's worth I work with schizophrenics and for about 4 in 5 of the male population it was marijuana usage that was the trigger. That said, clearly the majority of people at large don't have the genetic marker that results in this tragedy for this particular demographic. What's difficult is that in young men who use a fair amount, the passage from "paranoid" to "psychotic break" can be too quick to see it coming. But no question at all that even recreational marijuana use will be the principle trigger for a large number of people who have the genetic potential to develop schizophrenia.

1ac8e976f84cb2566ecfbbcce1817351

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on August 30, 2012
at 06:48 AM

somebody listens to Joe Rogan. my bro is obsessed w/ it. its pretty funny at time, I admit

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(19479)

on July 03, 2012
at 04:29 PM

Wow, indigenous people are "still a bunch of losers"? That statement is ignorant on so many levels. I suggest coming down from your high horse and reading "Guns, Germs, & Steel" by Jared Diamond to get some perspective on how "we" became "winners".

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 03, 2012
at 12:50 PM

"destroyed by mental illness because of cannabis use" - People act like mental illness is a quantified and catergorised phenomena. Wait until they actually understand what causes mental illness, functionally before making claims about what causes what. Certainly in terms of psychosis, bi polar, schizoprenia. Those are really just words for a mystery. As for anxiety, yeah thats simpler. Pot has a reverse gaba effect, and can exacerbate anxiety.

F31d10b54b31428e189d9b771bf7b1d1

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:03 AM

Maybe that is why they are indigenous. Although we can learn a lot from them, they are still a bunch of losers.

7b9b5de13a30c823dae64a971cb14add

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on July 02, 2012
at 10:56 PM

It CAN be a trigger for depression and anxiety for some but is the best treatment for others. Just because it caused you adverse effects doesn't mean it will do the same to the next person. Family history for psychotic disorders has also been present in every case I have seen where marijuana or another psychoactive substance may have triggered or brought out a serious mental illness.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on January 14, 2012
at 06:17 PM

Who said anything about dying? I'm talking about quality of life here, which would include no mental illness. It is a mind altering substance. It can alter your mind. Sheesh!

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on December 13, 2011
at 04:27 AM

Save your lungs and VAPE it!

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on December 13, 2011
at 04:27 AM

Use a vaporizer silly!

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on December 13, 2011
at 04:26 AM

Lets count up the amount of people who have died from smoking marijuana. Ok, Im done. 0

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on October 26, 2011
at 09:44 AM

I understand that also there would be many contributing factors to the whole thing, like pre-disposition, diet etc, but it's no coincidence that when I gave up smoking skunk my anxiety disorder DRAMATICALLY reduced and if I ever dabbled after this (I never do now) the panic attack would come on within minutes of smoking it. People want to smoke it so bad they feel they have to justify it with bizarre reasons "oh but ancient man smoked it" What does that even mean?! Nothing!! You do what you want but don't kid yourself that it's a healthy past time.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on October 26, 2011
at 09:40 AM

Also it depends on the strength, my anxiety would be dreadful with skunk and not so bad with a bit of solid which is much weaker. Skunk, whether home grown or not DESTROYED my state of mind after ten years of smoking it, I promise you.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on October 26, 2011
at 09:38 AM

You say that but towards the end of my ten year usage I would literally have a panic attack EVERYTIME I sparked up. Directly correlated. I get that's n=1 but you are naive to think a MIND ALTERING SUBSTANCE won't affect YOUR MIND. Think about it.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on October 26, 2011
at 09:34 AM

Doesn't mean it was good for them? They also practiced violence and murder but I'm not about to start that either. Weak.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on October 26, 2011
at 09:32 AM

Oh dear. Yes ok then, it's good for you because "ancient man" smoked it. You go smoke as much as you want then on that philosophy and I'll carry on making my descisions based on SCIENCE.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 26, 2011
at 01:03 AM

Ancient man smoked/smokes all kinds of substances to talk to their gods. You can't get much more paleo than that, and every thing we put into our bodies is harmful to some degree or another. Are you going to stop putting everything into your body???

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 26, 2011
at 01:02 AM

+1 Ruby for rational thinking.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 26, 2011
at 01:00 AM

"With visible breath I pray." Do a google search on that. Pretty damn paleo if you ask me.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 26, 2011
at 12:59 AM

By the way, Northern Europeans (both Germanic and Celtic) originated in Northern India. And they had a very powerful drug that used cannabis as one of it's main ingredients. Use that however you want.

4ae65e9a9abceabe4d2f6e2ccd810122

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on September 05, 2011
at 02:03 AM

@ Thomas Seay: lmao!

C5c3a1fb34a486366e45afbb5eaaca05

(453)

on August 14, 2011
at 08:40 PM

I'm celiac as well, and MJ has been a godsend. I find I don't even like it as much recreation-wise these days, but as a medical tool its probably the safest substance I've used to combat my lingering GI issues.

B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

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on August 14, 2011
at 08:01 PM

Haha, so I got down-voted twice for this ... lovely.

F52b51135f2c47eb46c986fdc9760b9b

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on August 14, 2011
at 03:51 PM

I didn't realize that other folks smoked marijuana to help with GI issues. For a long time I smoked daily because it was the only thing that I found that kept me regular. Eventually I realized I had celiac disease, cut gluten out, and then cut my marijuana usage down to just occasional, recreational use.

F52b51135f2c47eb46c986fdc9760b9b

(180)

on August 14, 2011
at 03:31 PM

Yeah, folks are always on here asking 'is X paleo?' or 'is Y paleo?'. I've never gotten the impression that they were trying to justify something. Folks are just trying to figure out what's healthy and what's not.

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on August 14, 2011
at 02:50 PM

...the substance is inherently harmful. This is the same "possible collective good" argument that is used to justify the widespread prescription of dangerous cholesterol-lowering statin drugs, for the attack on dietary salt due to the mild blood pressure lowering effect, and for the vilification of dietary fat and cholesterol in general. And, just for giggles: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/mj_overdose.htm

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on August 14, 2011
at 02:41 PM

Correlation does not equal causation. I'm sure that 100% of people who have developed brain tumors have at some point picked their nose. Does that mean nose picking causes brain tumors? Additionally, I don't believe that children (anyone under 21 in my book) should use psychoactive drugs in general. However, of the hundreds of people that I personally know who smoked copious amounts of marijuana as teenagers not one has developed schizophrenia. IF smoking marijuana is a causal factor in a small number of genetically predisposed people it is not reason enough to claim that...

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on August 14, 2011
at 06:31 AM

Just for giggles: http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevention/streetdrugs.html

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on August 14, 2011
at 06:11 AM

@cliff- I think your probably right about it not being much different today than back then. However Mei is right about the fertilizers/pesticides. I've personally backpacked out the waste from half a dozen+ illegal wilderness grows here- lots of fert/pest containers.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on August 14, 2011
at 12:24 AM

@Mei- Weed is no different than from the 70's, that is DARE propaganda.

C5c3a1fb34a486366e45afbb5eaaca05

(453)

on August 13, 2011
at 11:23 PM

Ideally go through a grower you know (or dispensary if you live in CO). You get past all the iffy social stuff as well.

A7ff7aa8d0f8d6cbdb45e514a5452620

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on August 13, 2011
at 10:01 PM

yes. it is paleo. seriously, come the fuck on - who gives a shit if it's "paleo" or not. words. stop trying to delineate standards. death is inevitable for us all, and while it silently sits hidden within every moment some keep worrying about whether or not something adheres to some illusory concept. fuuuuuuckkkkk

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on June 24, 2011
at 09:02 AM

Really? If I recall correctly we are so good at digesting sugar we can break complex molecules of "sugars" down. We can even break down protein to sugar if needed. What about camp fires?

9f933fedd259b97a5369c3ee5dae3151

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on May 29, 2011
at 04:18 PM

@Thomas, hear, hear!

Fc7712b6a931b618ffaf4d6475b5d8f4

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on May 29, 2011
at 03:08 PM

Unless you grow your own, chances are that you are sponsoring misery and death in third world countries. In my country, Brazil, 50.000 people are murdered each year due to violence, mostly from drug wars.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on May 29, 2011
at 03:07 PM

and munchies.......dont forget them.

9f933fedd259b97a5369c3ee5dae3151

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on May 29, 2011
at 03:02 PM

I think oak's trying to say that no matter what you do, make sure you're doing it in the safest way possible, ie going through a dealer that isn't cutting your stuff/using fertilizers, pesticides etc. And, similar to contemporary fruit, the weed we smoke today is very different that the weed people smoked as recently as the 70s.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on May 02, 2011
at 11:05 PM

Um, I disagree. It is suggestive of drug use during the paleolithic, of which I have no doubt. And besides that, it was interesting, which is sometimes more important than directly answering questions.

1f24d4895246892ef4ee4d79b7f9eeeb

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on May 02, 2011
at 03:50 PM

Did you just make this up?

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on April 27, 2011
at 03:41 PM

People look for justification for their actions here all of the time: should I eat this; am I exercising too much or not enough; did I get the right blood tests; hack my food log; etc. Why is a question about marijuana any different? Can the question be answered here without a moral judgement being made based on current mores? I'm not promoting its use. My thinking is this: Let's be careful to judge what is or is not "paleo". We have no idea of the cultural variations 30,000 years ago. Do want to become as dogmatic as militant vegans, easily combustible fuel for media caricatures?

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

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on April 26, 2011
at 10:11 PM

My answer was short because I was pressed for time, but I don't care if anyone smokes weed or does any other thing that is illegal as long as it does not affect me or my family. I also believe drugs should be legalized. My point was if you want to do something, then just do it. Don't look for an online community to justify your actions. Secondly, calling smoking marijuana paleo brings bigger issues instead of diet and health. I liken this to the paleo 2.0/archevore name change because too many things get lumped into the paleo lifestyle. Sorry I offended some.

065bc9a541c742defb28b9c58ad34fbd

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on April 26, 2011
at 07:14 PM

Wouldn't it be difficult to say that mental illness is caused by marijuana use? With so many confounding factors (diet, for example), and the possibility that those already suffering from mental distress might be more drawn to/open to drug use as a way of medicating themselves? My own anxiety disorder has been much improved with the help of occasional, very intentional (ie not at parties, or mixed with other drugs) use of marijuana.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on April 26, 2011
at 06:58 PM

I don't think one can automatically deem it non-Paleo because "it's bad for you." What's paleo has an element of subjectivity to it. There is no single definition or set of unbending parameters that strictly define it. We have guiding principles that we all follow (no processed sugar, no gluten, etc. etc.), and that's it. There rest is up to the individual.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on April 26, 2011
at 06:44 PM

Allie, I think sceptism is essential, CW or not but in case of drugs, well let us just say it's saturated fats *100 (doing MDMA research then injecting methamphetamine, LSD chromosome damage, etc). I'm not saying things aren't true but I sense some bad science in "Additional info". It it cannabis per se or smoke or even tobacco smoke ? So yeah, sceptic always ;)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 26, 2011
at 05:13 PM

That's because we have to undo so much cultural conditioning. It's not easy without the help of the psychedelic plants that paleo men used.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

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on April 26, 2011
at 05:10 PM

This doesn't answer the question at all.

7f4c64d6caca80c74a6c2d91efa3259b

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on April 26, 2011
at 03:18 PM

Hmm, you're a dark horse aren't you Carly ;)

B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

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on April 26, 2011
at 11:47 AM

:) True Ikco. I did note that it was 'straight up from my health course' with reason, however, I do not think that everything CW claims is false. I have not done any thorough research on marijuana, perhaps I will do so in the future, but I stand by what I said: there are better ways to aide sleep and reap the "positive" benefits of using marijuana, and they don't have the list of ailments I mentioned above.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on April 26, 2011
at 08:12 AM

It seems, despite being adults and "thinking with our own head", we still can't have a serious debate about drugs.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on April 26, 2011
at 07:44 AM

Well Allie, what does your health course say about saturated fat ? ;)

39a1a0bc7855c084ac59df60fdf9c0dd

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on April 26, 2011
at 03:18 AM

Clearly you want to do this, so go ahead. But why the need to label it Paleo??? Good grief.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 25, 2011
at 11:58 PM

So, yeah, mth, sorry if I misunderstood your point. As Carly will point out, I am addled in the brain due to my drug addiction. Somebody give me a shot of thorazine quick, the demons arrive!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 25, 2011
at 11:52 PM

@justanotherhunt: you are right. However, given the poisonous amount of Omega 6 that there must be in less than a gram of marijuana, I would think that even touching the stuff could be fatal ;) @Carly: why thank you! Ever since I got my California 420 card, I have become quite the expert! Pity that I have nothing to look forward to than lung cancer and a future in the mental hospital!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 25, 2011
at 11:43 PM

Carly, don't project what was obviously an addiction on other people. If somebody takes a glass of wine every now and then, it doesn't make them an alcoholic. If somebody takes a bong hit every now and then, it doesn't make them a marijuana addict. I smoke about once a week, FYI.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 11:38 PM

I was obviously stoned when I wrote that so what do you expect!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on April 25, 2011
at 09:53 PM

you go girl! plus one!

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

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on April 25, 2011
at 09:34 PM

+1 for Carl Sagan ! "We were hunters and foragers, the frontier was everywhere..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY59wZdCDo0

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 25, 2011
at 07:52 PM

Actually I grew alot of it myself and no chemicals were added.

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

(2437)

on April 25, 2011
at 07:43 PM

I meant "can't take," typing this out on a cellphone

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

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on April 25, 2011
at 07:42 PM

I guarantee that you were getting it illegally which means who knows what crap was in it. Just like conventionally grown meat there was probably many many unnatural things and chemicals added to it. Also if you got it illegally you were getting indica as sativa is hard to grow. Most positive mental effects come from sativa. Sativa is anti-anxiety, indica can cause anxiety just black tea can cause anxiety but chamomile tea calms the mind. You take take your uncontrolled experiment with illegally obtained cannabis amd compare it to controlled studies of oraganically grown cannabis.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on April 25, 2011
at 06:50 PM

"Those studies like the negative marijuana studies have been shown to be bad science with a political agenda" massively generalised sweeping statement. My cousin delveloped severe mental illness because of cannabis, it gave me an anxiety disorder I still haven't managed to entirely shake off, I know a doctor who has lost count of the amount of young people's lives that have been destroyed by mental illness because of cannabis use, and that's not even starting on the detrimental affects of the smoke in the lungs, you are kidding yourself if you think it's healthy.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on April 25, 2011
at 06:47 PM

I'm no expert, but lung disease doesn't seem to be a necessary result of pot usage. Plus you can eat brownies and avoid the lung issues. Mental illness rates probably don't approach that related to alcohol, and the relationship is highly confounded. Do you have bad experiences with pot, Carly? I don't have much experience at all, but many many people use it for medicinal purposes. Pot works better than the leading drug in a couple therapeutic classes, and it seems the only things holding back greater adoption is stigma, big pharma, and the government.

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

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on April 25, 2011
at 06:42 PM

You can also find just as many studies linking high fat diets and meat consumption as having detrimental effects. Those studies like the negative marijuana studies have been shown to be bad science with a political agenda. Also just like eating the fat and meat of conventionally grown animals can indeed be bad for you, smoking marijuana can also be bad. Good thing there is organic meat and vaporizers and edible cannabis.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on April 25, 2011
at 06:37 PM

No, just potentially lung diseases and/or mental illness.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 25, 2011
at 06:35 PM

You don't get any fats from inhaling smoke, let alone substantial levels of omega 6. Drinking hemp oil, on the other hand...

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 25, 2011
at 06:35 PM

It wasn't moderation, I was an addict. An addict who came out with all the same excuses and justifications Thomas is. Which is my comparison, the exuses, not the amount of use.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 25, 2011
at 06:32 PM

Geoff, you could easily find as many, if not more, studies showing the detrimental effects.

D5cde8031564f905260ce9aa7a1f5e2c

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on April 25, 2011
at 06:31 PM

Daily use for a decade doesn't sound like moderation to me. I'm not sure your difficulty with cannabis applies to Thomas' situation.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 25, 2011
at 06:08 PM

Ooh Thomas you are so cool and know so much about pot.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on April 25, 2011
at 06:07 PM

Hilarious you are trying to justify your marijuana cosumption by claiming in moderation it's not unhealthy. Sounds like an addict talking to me ;) I smoked it every day for ten years so have heard the things you are saying coming from my own mouth as well as so many people around me. It's funny hearing it now I don't smoke it :D

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 25, 2011
at 06:03 PM

Thomas, you clearly didn't read the answer properly, mth didn't ask you to stop smoking it, or behave, just to stop portraying it as paleo. Because it's not.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 05:59 PM

So we are supposed to "BEHAVE" because we might make a bad impression on the media. Wow. What's next? Do we have to take a vow that we are all White, Christian Heterosexuals so that we can make the media think we are "normal"?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 05:16 PM

Let's see. There is around 28 grams to an ounce. Nowadays, one usually buys an 1/8 of an ounce, which comes out to 3.54 grams. Now, an eight usually lasts me (if smoking alone) a pretty good time. However, let's say I take .5 grams per sitting. How much Omega-6 is there in that much pot? I am going to guess, not much. Next time I'm passing the bong, I will pass around my bottle of fish oil just to make up for the huge damage that omega-6 is going to do me :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 05:04 PM

Many people benefit from consuming marijuana. "Benefit" can mean directly benefiting their physical health or just providing fun. Obviously, though, if you start smoking it chronically, every day, all the time, that could have deleterious effects.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 05:02 PM

Well, you are right that we shouldn't "ape" H-G culture. So whether or not, marijuana is Paleo is sort of beside the question. However, I beg to differ with you on the question as to whether it is healthy or not. Many things that are healthy in moderation become unhealthy when done in excess. The weight-training I do benefits me at 3 times a week of 45-60 minute sessions. Let's say I start to train 4 hours every day. In that case, it will probably do me a lot of harm.

D8195c5ae6c967027a3133d74969d0e1

(543)

on April 25, 2011
at 04:51 PM

ouch! - sounds a wee bit judgmental to me!

Fd504de9b242f4cd7009db70af5e2121

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on April 25, 2011
at 03:56 PM

so Omega 6 and THC is equivalent to arsenic? lol!!!!

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on April 25, 2011
at 03:00 PM

A couple of related posts by Dr. Emily Deans, my new favorite blog. http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2011/04/omega-3s-mice-and-receptors-for-funny.html & http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2011/04/introduction-more-on-endocannabinoids.html

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on April 25, 2011
at 02:58 PM

A couple of related posts by Dr. Emily Deans, my new favorite blog. http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2011/04/omega-3s-mice-and-receptors-for-funny.html & http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2011/04/omega-3s-mice-and-receptors-for-funny.html

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on April 25, 2011
at 02:55 PM

Any non essential omega six is not good......it's akin to asking what does of arsenic is ok for me to take?

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

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on April 25, 2011
at 02:47 PM

Use by "ancient" or "primitive" cultures doesn't really justify it as paleo, and even so, and evolutionary adaptation would really only affect the people that were exposed to it, and in this case, people living in India during this time period, and their descendants.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 25, 2011
at 02:31 PM

And even if it has ZERO "BENEFITS" to the SERIOUS WORLD, smoking marijuana every now and then is just plain old fun. And fun is something I want to have. "Puritanism is the terrible suspicion that somebody, somewhere might be having fun."

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 25, 2011
at 02:25 PM

As for the second question, since Paleos probably gnawed on bones when they got the munchies, it probably didn't alter their body fat. Eating a bag of Doritos would have a different effect though :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 25, 2011
at 02:24 PM

If eaten though, in the small amounts that it takes to get you high, how much Omega 6 would you take in? Not much, methinks.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 25, 2011
at 11:46 AM

"Cannabis was used in Indian culture as early as 3000 BCE, or even more, going back to primitve societies of pre-vedic India. Its ancient use is thus confirmed even in the oldest existing texts, the Vedas -- (Sama Veda, Rig Veda, and Atharva Veda)"

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(19479)

on August 14, 2011
at 03:57 AM

The use of psychedelic drugs is nearly ubiquitous among indigenous peoples worldwide. What was also ubiquitous was that use was grounded in cultural traditions of healing, worship, and community.

My point is that the context is as important as the content.

The same substance, whether it is pot or sugar can be consumed responsibly by some, while others, due to heredity, environment, or trauma are drawn into addictions.

Outside of emotional, legal, or political perspectives, the actual plant, cannabis sativa, is essentially harmless. The LD-50 (dose required to kill 50% of lab animals) is so high that it is essentially impossible to overdose. It is much easier to overdose on coffee than it is on cannabis.

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on August 14, 2011
at 06:31 AM

Just for giggles: http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevention/streetdrugs.html

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(19479)

on August 14, 2011
at 02:50 PM

...the substance is inherently harmful. This is the same "possible collective good" argument that is used to justify the widespread prescription of dangerous cholesterol-lowering statin drugs, for the attack on dietary salt due to the mild blood pressure lowering effect, and for the vilification of dietary fat and cholesterol in general. And, just for giggles: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/mj_overdose.htm

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(19479)

on August 14, 2011
at 02:41 PM

Correlation does not equal causation. I'm sure that 100% of people who have developed brain tumors have at some point picked their nose. Does that mean nose picking causes brain tumors? Additionally, I don't believe that children (anyone under 21 in my book) should use psychoactive drugs in general. However, of the hundreds of people that I personally know who smoked copious amounts of marijuana as teenagers not one has developed schizophrenia. IF smoking marijuana is a causal factor in a small number of genetically predisposed people it is not reason enough to claim that...

F31d10b54b31428e189d9b771bf7b1d1

(1439)

on July 03, 2012
at 03:03 AM

Maybe that is why they are indigenous. Although we can learn a lot from them, they are still a bunch of losers.

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(19479)

on July 03, 2012
at 04:29 PM

Wow, indigenous people are "still a bunch of losers"? That statement is ignorant on so many levels. I suggest coming down from your high horse and reading "Guns, Germs, & Steel" by Jared Diamond to get some perspective on how "we" became "winners".

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on April 15, 2013
at 06:39 PM

LD-50 is a useful measure for drug toxicity, but it's not relevant to any other health concerns. Pure fructose has an immense LD-50, but that doesn't mean it's harmless to eat large amounts.

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(1353)

on April 15, 2013
at 12:55 PM

For what it's worth I work with schizophrenics and for about 4 in 5 of the male population it was marijuana usage that was the trigger. That said, clearly the majority of people at large don't have the genetic marker that results in this tragedy for this particular demographic. What's difficult is that in young men who use a fair amount, the passage from "paranoid" to "psychotic break" can be too quick to see it coming. But no question at all that even recreational marijuana use will be the principle trigger for a large number of people who have the genetic potential to develop schizophrenia.

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D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

(5801)

on April 25, 2011
at 11:00 AM

If you want to smoke it, then just smoke it. Please quit justifying it as paleo - you will end up making us look more crazy than we are portrayed in the media.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 11:38 PM

I was obviously stoned when I wrote that so what do you expect!

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on April 26, 2011
at 06:58 PM

I don't think one can automatically deem it non-Paleo because "it's bad for you." What's paleo has an element of subjectivity to it. There is no single definition or set of unbending parameters that strictly define it. We have guiding principles that we all follow (no processed sugar, no gluten, etc. etc.), and that's it. There rest is up to the individual.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 11:58 PM

So, yeah, mth, sorry if I misunderstood your point. As Carly will point out, I am addled in the brain due to my drug addiction. Somebody give me a shot of thorazine quick, the demons arrive!

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on April 27, 2011
at 03:41 PM

People look for justification for their actions here all of the time: should I eat this; am I exercising too much or not enough; did I get the right blood tests; hack my food log; etc. Why is a question about marijuana any different? Can the question be answered here without a moral judgement being made based on current mores? I'm not promoting its use. My thinking is this: Let's be careful to judge what is or is not "paleo". We have no idea of the cultural variations 30,000 years ago. Do want to become as dogmatic as militant vegans, easily combustible fuel for media caricatures?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 05:59 PM

So we are supposed to "BEHAVE" because we might make a bad impression on the media. Wow. What's next? Do we have to take a vow that we are all White, Christian Heterosexuals so that we can make the media think we are "normal"?

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 25, 2011
at 06:03 PM

Thomas, you clearly didn't read the answer properly, mth didn't ask you to stop smoking it, or behave, just to stop portraying it as paleo. Because it's not.

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

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on April 26, 2011
at 10:11 PM

My answer was short because I was pressed for time, but I don't care if anyone smokes weed or does any other thing that is illegal as long as it does not affect me or my family. I also believe drugs should be legalized. My point was if you want to do something, then just do it. Don't look for an online community to justify your actions. Secondly, calling smoking marijuana paleo brings bigger issues instead of diet and health. I liken this to the paleo 2.0/archevore name change because too many things get lumped into the paleo lifestyle. Sorry I offended some.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on April 25, 2011
at 09:53 PM

you go girl! plus one!

F52b51135f2c47eb46c986fdc9760b9b

(180)

on August 14, 2011
at 03:31 PM

Yeah, folks are always on here asking 'is X paleo?' or 'is Y paleo?'. I've never gotten the impression that they were trying to justify something. Folks are just trying to figure out what's healthy and what's not.

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(50)

on September 05, 2011
at 02:03 AM

@ Thomas Seay: lmao!

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

(2437)

on April 25, 2011
at 06:42 PM

You can also find just as many studies linking high fat diets and meat consumption as having detrimental effects. Those studies like the negative marijuana studies have been shown to be bad science with a political agenda. Also just like eating the fat and meat of conventionally grown animals can indeed be bad for you, smoking marijuana can also be bad. Good thing there is organic meat and vaporizers and edible cannabis.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 25, 2011
at 06:50 PM

"Those studies like the negative marijuana studies have been shown to be bad science with a political agenda" massively generalised sweeping statement. My cousin delveloped severe mental illness because of cannabis, it gave me an anxiety disorder I still haven't managed to entirely shake off, I know a doctor who has lost count of the amount of young people's lives that have been destroyed by mental illness because of cannabis use, and that's not even starting on the detrimental affects of the smoke in the lungs, you are kidding yourself if you think it's healthy.

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

(2437)

on April 25, 2011
at 07:42 PM

I guarantee that you were getting it illegally which means who knows what crap was in it. Just like conventionally grown meat there was probably many many unnatural things and chemicals added to it. Also if you got it illegally you were getting indica as sativa is hard to grow. Most positive mental effects come from sativa. Sativa is anti-anxiety, indica can cause anxiety just black tea can cause anxiety but chamomile tea calms the mind. You take take your uncontrolled experiment with illegally obtained cannabis amd compare it to controlled studies of oraganically grown cannabis.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 25, 2011
at 07:52 PM

Actually I grew alot of it myself and no chemicals were added.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 25, 2011
at 06:32 PM

Geoff, you could easily find as many, if not more, studies showing the detrimental effects.

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(831)

on April 26, 2011
at 03:18 PM

Hmm, you're a dark horse aren't you Carly ;)

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

(2437)

on April 25, 2011
at 07:43 PM

I meant "can't take," typing this out on a cellphone

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(1783)

on April 26, 2011
at 07:14 PM

Wouldn't it be difficult to say that mental illness is caused by marijuana use? With so many confounding factors (diet, for example), and the possibility that those already suffering from mental distress might be more drawn to/open to drug use as a way of medicating themselves? My own anxiety disorder has been much improved with the help of occasional, very intentional (ie not at parties, or mixed with other drugs) use of marijuana.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 26, 2011
at 01:02 AM

+1 Ruby for rational thinking.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on October 26, 2011
at 09:40 AM

Also it depends on the strength, my anxiety would be dreadful with skunk and not so bad with a bit of solid which is much weaker. Skunk, whether home grown or not DESTROYED my state of mind after ten years of smoking it, I promise you.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on October 26, 2011
at 09:44 AM

I understand that also there would be many contributing factors to the whole thing, like pre-disposition, diet etc, but it's no coincidence that when I gave up smoking skunk my anxiety disorder DRAMATICALLY reduced and if I ever dabbled after this (I never do now) the panic attack would come on within minutes of smoking it. People want to smoke it so bad they feel they have to justify it with bizarre reasons "oh but ancient man smoked it" What does that even mean?! Nothing!! You do what you want but don't kid yourself that it's a healthy past time.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on October 26, 2011
at 09:38 AM

You say that but towards the end of my ten year usage I would literally have a panic attack EVERYTIME I sparked up. Directly correlated. I get that's n=1 but you are naive to think a MIND ALTERING SUBSTANCE won't affect YOUR MIND. Think about it.

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(6719)

on December 13, 2011
at 04:26 AM

Lets count up the amount of people who have died from smoking marijuana. Ok, Im done. 0

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on January 14, 2012
at 06:17 PM

Who said anything about dying? I'm talking about quality of life here, which would include no mental illness. It is a mind altering substance. It can alter your mind. Sheesh!

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(5381)

on July 03, 2012
at 12:50 PM

"destroyed by mental illness because of cannabis use" - People act like mental illness is a quantified and catergorised phenomena. Wait until they actually understand what causes mental illness, functionally before making claims about what causes what. Certainly in terms of psychosis, bi polar, schizoprenia. Those are really just words for a mystery. As for anxiety, yeah thats simpler. Pot has a reverse gaba effect, and can exacerbate anxiety.

7b9b5de13a30c823dae64a971cb14add

(540)

on July 02, 2012
at 10:56 PM

It CAN be a trigger for depression and anxiety for some but is the best treatment for others. Just because it caused you adverse effects doesn't mean it will do the same to the next person. Family history for psychotic disorders has also been present in every case I have seen where marijuana or another psychoactive substance may have triggered or brought out a serious mental illness.

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on April 25, 2011
at 02:02 PM

Adding smoke to the lungs will never be good for any kind of result, we are not designed to breathe smoke. We are not built to eat grain. Our system is not made to digest sugars. Paleo is Paleo due to a concept based on fact and science, not to be trendy.

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on June 24, 2011
at 09:02 AM

Really? If I recall correctly we are so good at digesting sugar we can break complex molecules of "sugars" down. We can even break down protein to sugar if needed. What about camp fires?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 26, 2011
at 01:00 AM

"With visible breath I pray." Do a google search on that. Pretty damn paleo if you ask me.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on December 13, 2011
at 04:27 AM

Use a vaporizer silly!

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2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 25, 2011
at 12:57 PM

Of course it isn't "paleo", what ever that actually is, nor is it healthy, no matter how you dress it up or how many tribes you an find that may or may not have smoked it. If you wanty to minimise the harmful affects on your lungs you can use a vaporiser (Robb Wolf talked about this a couple of podcasts back) but it is still harmful, unhealthy and not paleo. I used to smoke it myself so I'm not judging anybody I just think it's silly to try and pretend it's not harmful.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on October 26, 2011
at 09:32 AM

Oh dear. Yes ok then, it's good for you because "ancient man" smoked it. You go smoke as much as you want then on that philosophy and I'll carry on making my descisions based on SCIENCE.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 26, 2011
at 01:03 AM

Ancient man smoked/smokes all kinds of substances to talk to their gods. You can't get much more paleo than that, and every thing we put into our bodies is harmful to some degree or another. Are you going to stop putting everything into your body???

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(624)

on September 23, 2013
at 05:02 PM

Can you point to ANY compelling evidence that small quantities of marijuana are harmful to the human body? I'd be curious to see it. I've searched far and wide and found absolutely nothing aside from vague reference to lung/trachea damage being possible with VERY excessive consumption. Even lung damage is questionable with small doses or the use of a water pipe or vaporizer.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 09:30 AM

I couldn't find much on the web about evidence of cannabis being used. It seems like it could have been and I'm sure paleoithic man would have found it useful.

I wonder if there's any evidence of paleoithic man smoking. They could have made "chillums" with wood or used leaves to roll cannabis. Orally cannabis isn't active unless cooked in fat I wonder if paleoithic man knew that.

Psychedelics such as psilocybin and amanita muscaria mushrooms were both consumed during palaeolithic times for shamanistic rituals, dancing and healing. They also probably used lower doses of these to "get high" or increase energy/senses. So at least lower doses are fairly cannabis-like.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 02:21 PM

First of all, stop talking about the smoke factor. I am pretty sure that Paleos had their marijuana as edibles (possibly brownies :). Chronic smoking of marijuana may not be healthy. However, it does not follow that if x=100 is bad that x = 10 is also bad. Dosage is EVERYTHING and the field of hormesis seems to be making that point. However, there is another factor: MANY people have had revelations using entheogens like psilocbyin mushrooms and ayahuasca and even marijuana (check out the late Carl Sagan's insistence about his revelations with marijuana). Of course, I can't prove it, but I would think that quite possible Paleo man may have had similar revelations that would have positively impacted his evolution. Terence McKenna wrote a book on this, called "The Food of the Gods". Of course, we needn't speculate about the past. I think a study of how ayahuasca has been used by the indigenous peoples in the Amazonian rainforests would make this point.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 02:25 PM

As for the second question, since Paleos probably gnawed on bones when they got the munchies, it probably didn't alter their body fat. Eating a bag of Doritos would have a different effect though :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 02:31 PM

And even if it has ZERO "BENEFITS" to the SERIOUS WORLD, smoking marijuana every now and then is just plain old fun. And fun is something I want to have. "Puritanism is the terrible suspicion that somebody, somewhere might be having fun."

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

(2437)

on April 25, 2011
at 09:34 PM

+1 for Carl Sagan ! "We were hunters and foragers, the frontier was everywhere..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY59wZdCDo0

1ac8e976f84cb2566ecfbbcce1817351

(211)

on August 30, 2012
at 06:48 AM

somebody listens to Joe Rogan. my bro is obsessed w/ it. its pretty funny at time, I admit

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on April 25, 2011
at 01:05 PM

Paleo for me is what optimizes me........pot is far from it. It also has some of the highest levels of omega 6 content of any plant just like hemp. Major pass. Just because it was used then does make it paleo. This kinda of stuff has to be self evident..

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 02:24 PM

If eaten though, in the small amounts that it takes to get you high, how much Omega 6 would you take in? Not much, methinks.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 25, 2011
at 06:35 PM

You don't get any fats from inhaling smoke, let alone substantial levels of omega 6. Drinking hemp oil, on the other hand...

Fd504de9b242f4cd7009db70af5e2121

(558)

on April 25, 2011
at 03:56 PM

so Omega 6 and THC is equivalent to arsenic? lol!!!!

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 25, 2011
at 06:37 PM

No, just potentially lung diseases and/or mental illness.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Omega 6 is absorbed through smoke? Am I missing something?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 25, 2011
at 06:47 PM

I'm no expert, but lung disease doesn't seem to be a necessary result of pot usage. Plus you can eat brownies and avoid the lung issues. Mental illness rates probably don't approach that related to alcohol, and the relationship is highly confounded. Do you have bad experiences with pot, Carly? I don't have much experience at all, but many many people use it for medicinal purposes. Pot works better than the leading drug in a couple therapeutic classes, and it seems the only things holding back greater adoption is stigma, big pharma, and the government.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on April 25, 2011
at 02:55 PM

Any non essential omega six is not good......it's akin to asking what does of arsenic is ok for me to take?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 05:16 PM

Let's see. There is around 28 grams to an ounce. Nowadays, one usually buys an 1/8 of an ounce, which comes out to 3.54 grams. Now, an eight usually lasts me (if smoking alone) a pretty good time. However, let's say I take .5 grams per sitting. How much Omega-6 is there in that much pot? I am going to guess, not much. Next time I'm passing the bong, I will pass around my bottle of fish oil just to make up for the huge damage that omega-6 is going to do me :)

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 25, 2011
at 06:08 PM

Ooh Thomas you are so cool and know so much about pot.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 11:52 PM

@justanotherhunt: you are right. However, given the poisonous amount of Omega 6 that there must be in less than a gram of marijuana, I would think that even touching the stuff could be fatal ;) @Carly: why thank you! Ever since I got my California 420 card, I have become quite the expert! Pity that I have nothing to look forward to than lung cancer and a future in the mental hospital!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on May 29, 2011
at 03:07 PM

and munchies.......dont forget them.

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on August 13, 2011
at 11:21 PM

This is purely from personal experience, but I find cannabis to be a nice alternative to anti-pain and anti-anxiety medications (recovering from a stress-fracture now), and so far it is the ONLY substance that relieves GI-stress associated with accidental gluten exposure. I've tried ginger, peppermint, etc. I find I can get the GI effects from a single puff???definitely not enough to produce a high. Probably not so good for the lungs, but vaporizers and edibles are definitely other options.

C5c3a1fb34a486366e45afbb5eaaca05

(453)

on August 14, 2011
at 08:40 PM

I'm celiac as well, and MJ has been a godsend. I find I don't even like it as much recreation-wise these days, but as a medical tool its probably the safest substance I've used to combat my lingering GI issues.

F52b51135f2c47eb46c986fdc9760b9b

(180)

on August 14, 2011
at 03:51 PM

I didn't realize that other folks smoked marijuana to help with GI issues. For a long time I smoked daily because it was the only thing that I found that kept me regular. Eventually I realized I had celiac disease, cut gluten out, and then cut my marijuana usage down to just occasional, recreational use.

De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

(777)

on April 15, 2013
at 07:41 PM

cannabis cures stomach discomfort very well, especially stomach discomfort caused by eating junk high on cannabis the night before! but seriously i find it does help digestive issues really well, vaporizing is better than smoking but still not best, edibles are great & you can't use them daily so no addiction potential like the ease of smoking/vaping

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on April 26, 2011
at 05:08 PM

about drug use:

from Wikipedia

During the Paleolithic, there is ample evidence of drug use as seen by preserved botanical remains and coprolites. Some scholars suggest that the Shanidar Cave (a Paleolithic site in Iraq) Flower Burial shows evidence of a shamanic death ritual, but these claims are still being debated. The most direct evidence we have from the Paleolithic in terms of art comes from Tassili, Algeria. From this region, there are several therianthropic images portraying the painter and the animals around him as one (an often cited effect of many hallucinatory drugs, Ego death). One image, in particular, shows a man who has formed into one common form with a mushroom. There are several Paleolithic sites that display therianthropic imagery. However, there is some debate as to whether or not sites like Lascaux or Chauvet were entheogenically inspired.

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(5838)

on April 26, 2011
at 05:10 PM

This doesn't answer the question at all.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on May 02, 2011
at 11:05 PM

Um, I disagree. It is suggestive of drug use during the paleolithic, of which I have no doubt. And besides that, it was interesting, which is sometimes more important than directly answering questions.

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2f931662684a7747be36255c8b486228

(1049)

on April 25, 2011
at 03:46 PM

I'm suprised at the question. Some ancient cultures practiced genocide does that make it ok? I was just reading today somewhere about our need to anesthesize our minds. Why? And I am guilty. I am drinking a beer right now after a long day. But no it is definately not paleo, is definately not good for me. My body does not even want it...my mind does. Also read today how modern medicine separates the mind from the body. This is a big error. And I suddenly remembered, I started making ice cubes, which I never use and as of tomorrow........my new treat for spoiling myself will be a tall glass of water with ice cubes and lemon, maybe some fresh mint. It is all in the mind !!!!!!!!!!! Maybe I should buy a new glass...why do we need to dull our senses? I'm sure our paleo friends of way back had plenty of defects.......no reason to take those on as well.

D8195c5ae6c967027a3133d74969d0e1

(543)

on April 25, 2011
at 04:51 PM

ouch! - sounds a wee bit judgmental to me!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 05:02 PM

Well, you are right that we shouldn't "ape" H-G culture. So whether or not, marijuana is Paleo is sort of beside the question. However, I beg to differ with you on the question as to whether it is healthy or not. Many things that are healthy in moderation become unhealthy when done in excess. The weight-training I do benefits me at 3 times a week of 45-60 minute sessions. Let's say I start to train 4 hours every day. In that case, it will probably do me a lot of harm.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 25, 2011
at 06:07 PM

Hilarious you are trying to justify your marijuana cosumption by claiming in moderation it's not unhealthy. Sounds like an addict talking to me ;) I smoked it every day for ten years so have heard the things you are saying coming from my own mouth as well as so many people around me. It's funny hearing it now I don't smoke it :D

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 11:43 PM

Carly, don't project what was obviously an addiction on other people. If somebody takes a glass of wine every now and then, it doesn't make them an alcoholic. If somebody takes a bong hit every now and then, it doesn't make them a marijuana addict. I smoke about once a week, FYI.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 05:04 PM

Many people benefit from consuming marijuana. "Benefit" can mean directly benefiting their physical health or just providing fun. Obviously, though, if you start smoking it chronically, every day, all the time, that could have deleterious effects.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 25, 2011
at 06:35 PM

It wasn't moderation, I was an addict. An addict who came out with all the same excuses and justifications Thomas is. Which is my comparison, the exuses, not the amount of use.

D5cde8031564f905260ce9aa7a1f5e2c

(1170)

on April 25, 2011
at 06:31 PM

Daily use for a decade doesn't sound like moderation to me. I'm not sure your difficulty with cannabis applies to Thomas' situation.

9f933fedd259b97a5369c3ee5dae3151

(341)

on May 29, 2011
at 04:18 PM

@Thomas, hear, hear!

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D8195c5ae6c967027a3133d74969d0e1

on April 25, 2011
at 02:43 PM

Ill enjoy my weed paleo or not! It is relaxing and now on paleo I'm not even that prone to munchidom - there's always the moral debate - but I'll stick with it - til I can't - at 64 - that time may not be so far off - it isn't addictive - and I find meditation pleasant on it - I did get munchies once and the 1/2 avacado w. a can of sardines never tasted so good! :)

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B14dc4aa1ddefbec3bc09550428ee493

on August 14, 2011
at 03:00 AM

I find it interesting that people are so accepting of those who still drink alcohol, but they are all ready to judge you for smoking pot. As far as weight loss, I wouldn't think it would be that conducive to weight loss since it tends to stimulate your appetite.

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Ac9425a387b78cb37a01972fe848bddb

(655)

on September 05, 2011
at 01:31 AM

Let's all just chill out here and spark up a doobie. Over here there's hash (Morocco) wanna start analyzing that?

Ha!

Peace and Love...

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967229edcc94a66580110324524feb49

(688)

on August 13, 2011
at 11:20 PM

I see nothing wrong with an occasional glass of wine, or partaking of a little weed. Every couple months I unwind with a bowl. Is it bad for you? Probably, but so is being wound to tight. I think the benefits of being that relaxed for a short time probably outweigh the negatives.

If primitive cultures didn't use weed then they used something similar. after all they didn't have prohibition to tell them all the horrible things you'll do while on weed...so it wasn't likely as taboo :)

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D5ef6397b5e2fd6fe5f093da5e3d403b

(742)

on April 25, 2011
at 03:28 PM

I use edible marijuana products as a pain reliever (if you get the butter you can make Paleo friendly edibles yourself). I used to smoke it all the time, but when i quit smoking cigarettes, I could no longer smoke weed without the association. I agree with some of the other answers, it's all about dosage. Obviously it's not part of my everyday diet and I don't have much when I do eat it. But I have to believe it's far better for me than the pain relievers (Vicodin, Ibuprofen) and anti-anxiety medications (Valium) the doctors push on me. I do get the munchies, though, so I have to be careful. It makes me a little more likely to have a "treat" if it's around me at the time. It's not a great tool for weight loss, but I would say it's a fairly "Paleo" type of medication if you use it correctly.

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8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on May 29, 2011
at 09:05 AM

When I was younger I did A LOT of drugs. But nowadays I am just not down with drugs, I really like being 100% clear minded and in control at all times. I feel really happy with sobriety, it has helped me better myself in many ways.

Although I believe in free will and say to each his/her own, if someone wants to smoke then so be it. Drugs are not for me.

As far as "pot being paleo" I am sure it's been used since it was discovered and well it has it's pros and cons as with just about everything else. So a person must make up their own mind on this subject.

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B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

(3159)

on April 26, 2011
at 12:15 AM

Straight up from my health course:

Marijuana

Behavioral Effects: relaxed mood, heightened sensitivity to music, food cravings, impairment of short-term memory, overestimation of time, and inability to maintain attention to a task

Additional Info:

  • Over-use may lead to Motivational syndrome - basically, you don't want to do anything. That's gotta be good ...
  • 400 chemicals linked to lung cancer
  • Leads to damage of immune system and reproductive system
  • High rate of birth defects among children who's mothers smoked marijuana during pregnancy.

By saying 'a puff at night' sometimes, it doesn't seem like you are taking in large doses. However, over time, the negative effects build up.

A paleolithic Homo sapien did not chill out smoking weed, the would have gotten eaten. Smoke it if you want, but I wouldn't recommend it - there are better ways to aide sleep and reap the "positive" benefits of using marijuana, and they don't have the list of ailments I mentioned above.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on April 26, 2011
at 07:44 AM

Well Allie, what does your health course say about saturated fat ? ;)

B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

(3159)

on April 26, 2011
at 11:47 AM

:) True Ikco. I did note that it was 'straight up from my health course' with reason, however, I do not think that everything CW claims is false. I have not done any thorough research on marijuana, perhaps I will do so in the future, but I stand by what I said: there are better ways to aide sleep and reap the "positive" benefits of using marijuana, and they don't have the list of ailments I mentioned above.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on April 26, 2011
at 06:44 PM

Allie, I think sceptism is essential, CW or not but in case of drugs, well let us just say it's saturated fats *100 (doing MDMA research then injecting methamphetamine, LSD chromosome damage, etc). I'm not saying things aren't true but I sense some bad science in "Additional info". It it cannabis per se or smoke or even tobacco smoke ? So yeah, sceptic always ;)

B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

(3159)

on August 14, 2011
at 08:01 PM

Haha, so I got down-voted twice for this ... lovely.

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on August 13, 2011
at 09:49 PM

You may or may not find this useful:

http://csp.org/chrestomathy/lost_civilizations.html

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99f216c38d91018020652a3a01515e01

on January 07, 2014
at 10:09 AM

Definitely paleo in my books

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3ccf2b7de8295e351734a8b6c0c96bcd

(54)

on September 25, 2013
at 04:01 AM

Open up any old national geographic and tribes people are smoking something. Why? Because they enjoy it and it's a social thing to do, not because it's packed with antioxidants. So fire one up and everyone lighten up.

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56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

(1822)

on September 24, 2013
at 09:32 PM

There are many who say that drugs are the fifth human need, after air, water, food and sleep. You can argue about it until you are blue in the face but it is a fact of life that humans got buzzed for thousands of generations by the wild vegetables they ate. And all vegetables have these toxins, because no creature wants to be eaten. Even fruits, who want to be eaten, have them. Apples have high contents of malic acid to discourage the bugs that tunnel to the core to eat the immature seeds. Some of the compounds, toxic to classes of bugs, actually have medicinal or nutritional properties in the human body. And we have come to crave and need these compounds. We can all digest meat and marrow, and that is clear cut and not worth debating, but when it comes to the vegetables, thousands of books could be written about what is optimal, and probably genetic makeup matters a lot.

So marijuana is only the tip of the iceberg. To get a perfectly legal buzz, roast a head of garlic, top removed, in an enclosed container in the oven, then eat it. Do it on a Friday night so no one will object at work. My wild celery (smallage) is pretty strong stuff too (I grow several lbs a year).

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on September 24, 2013
at 04:33 PM

To answer the original post for the author, when I was 18 or 19, I began smoking around 3 cigarettes a day, as well as frequent cannabis. I became much skinnier and lost lots of fat. Malnutrition due to pleasure smoking over food? I'm not sure. However, cannabis may be beneficial for fat loss.

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on September 23, 2013
at 01:44 PM

Is doing crack in the back alley with a crab infested whore Paleo?

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(232)

on September 23, 2013
at 11:54 PM

because thats just the exact same thing as smoking a bit of weed...

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on September 22, 2013
at 06:16 AM

I became Paleo because of Dr. Terry Wahls' Ted Talk, and because she used it to treat her multiple sclerosis, which I also have. I had already eliminated all dairy from my diet because of the medical phenomenon of molecular mimicry, which suggests that dairy use triggers MS when other factors are also present.

Ten years ago, a scientific friend sent me a clipping from the MIT Alumni paper that quoted MIT research in cannabis as a neuroprotector for MS. Since then, I have provided myself with a daily treatment. The naysayers on this thread impress me as uninformed scaremongers without a scientific basis for their rants.

I can see that nothing about my position is yet fully proven, but my response to this question is "Of course, pot is Paleo," and I believe that the evidence in this thread that supports my response far outways any evidence against it.

Thanx for listening.

,

I began eating Paleo because of the Dr. Terry Wahls Ted Talk video, because like her, I have multiple sclerosis. However, I had already quit all dairy because of research into molelar mimicry and MS.

Over ten years ago, a scientific friend sent me a clipping that showed research from MIT that cannabis protected your brain from deterioration in MS, and I began daily treatments--always small.

My lifestyle choices are about the best science I can find, and that's why I'm Paleo. The naysayers on this thread appear to me to be reactionary and unscientific in their views. Historic evidence, combined with medical science, leads me to believe that of course, pot is Paleo. Why would anyone doubt it?

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1deaea445ff3b1cb5d1354a043dc8fb7

(275)

on April 15, 2013
at 01:04 PM

some good reponses already. It obviously does not matter if it is 'paleo' or not. I don't think that would make a difference, mmmmm is slavery paleo?

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on April 15, 2013
at 10:09 AM

The health benefits associated with cannabis are great in number, but please remember that this is when the plant is eaten either as a solid or an oil, not when smoked. It is also not aligned with getting high. Few people actually report getting high when cannabis is part of their diet.

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Fc7712b6a931b618ffaf4d6475b5d8f4

(200)

on May 29, 2011
at 03:00 PM

Unless you grow your own, chances are that you are sponsoring misery and death in third world countries. In my country, Brazil, 50.000 people are murdered each year due to violence, mostly from drug wars.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 25, 2011
at 02:33 PM

Take Drugs seriously!

Dear * Modern Marijuana is highly processed. So its not the good old ganja from the seventies. Its if its bad it grown in laboratories. And worse delaer put lead or hairspray or sand to it.

So * Take Drugs seriously*!!!!!!!

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(373)

on May 02, 2011
at 03:50 PM

Did you just make this up?

9f933fedd259b97a5369c3ee5dae3151

(341)

on May 29, 2011
at 03:02 PM

I think oak's trying to say that no matter what you do, make sure you're doing it in the safest way possible, ie going through a dealer that isn't cutting your stuff/using fertilizers, pesticides etc. And, similar to contemporary fruit, the weed we smoke today is very different that the weed people smoked as recently as the 70s.

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(453)

on August 13, 2011
at 11:23 PM

Ideally go through a grower you know (or dispensary if you live in CO). You get past all the iffy social stuff as well.

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(12857)

on August 14, 2011
at 12:24 AM

@Mei- Weed is no different than from the 70's, that is DARE propaganda.

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on August 14, 2011
at 06:11 AM

@cliff- I think your probably right about it not being much different today than back then. However Mei is right about the fertilizers/pesticides. I've personally backpacked out the waste from half a dozen+ illegal wilderness grows here- lots of fert/pest containers.

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