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Giant fatty breakfast, skipping lunch good idea?

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Created April 12, 2012 at 12:41 AM

I'm sure the answer will be "it depends, or it's individual", but:

Should I aim to have a sufficiently fatty protein breakfast (like 1/2 baby back ribs with butter) so I could maybe skip snacking & lunch?

From an hours without insulin perspective, it seems like breakfast would be a logical meal to try and skip but I know that if I don't eat a big hearty breakfast, I'm starving and not performing well all day.

So, as a plan-b, should I try and skip breakfast? Is having too many calories for breakfast a bad thing since I've read your body can only pretty much handle 500-600 calories at a time. (Is that really true? )

Thanks, Mike

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:01 PM

Hey, Joshua. Congrats on your weight loss and success doing VLC paleo. However, I still have my suspicions about this. For starters, was it really beans and chicken and whole grains that made you obese, or was it eating too many calories? IF you ate cereal as a vegetarian, the combination of milk + grains is a potent recipe for gaining unwanted body fat (in fact, this is how some INdian cultures deliberately fatten up the young girl- by feeding them millet porridge with whole milk). I'm still not convinced that whole grains in and of themselves cause obesity....

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

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on April 12, 2012
at 12:29 PM

@foreveryoung, peter is right, not all common wisdom is wrong. However, I directly attribute much of my own obesity to the way I was fed as a child. She put me on the "common wisdom" of the 80's diets - whole grain bread, lots of beans, chicken. I became a vegetarian in my teens, kept getting fatter. I am well over 140lbs lighter than I was when I started Paleo, and I am still moving forward. Trust me, a desperate and motivated fat person has tried EVERYTHING. The way I eat today, is the result of 15 years of self-experimentation. And by the way, I've not been offended once in your posts...

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on April 12, 2012
at 12:23 PM

@Peter - I know because of my recovering obesity that I'm not the best person for this, but unlike potatoes or oats, eggs and bacon do not trigger binges... starches do. In my personal experiments, I would eat a steak and veggies and be fine. Introduce a potato, and I had to fight the urge to continue eating past the point of being full.

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on April 12, 2012
at 10:02 AM

@Peter. I used to find oatmeal filling for about an hour. One egg fills me up for hours compared to oatmeal 1/2 hours top.

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on April 12, 2012
at 04:07 AM

Just because something is conventional wisdom does not mean it's wrong. It's just a good indicator that it might be :)

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on April 12, 2012
at 04:05 AM

@Joshua - re fats being more satiating, I used to think that too, however some research on pubmed seems to indicate otherwise - http://paleohacks.com/questions/101891/is-fat-more-satiating#axzz1rnMVvG1U. Potatoes are supposedly one of the most satiating foods around - http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/palatability-satiety-and-calorie-intake.html. I also find oatmeal to be incredibly filling.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:56 AM

I don't like getting into arguments with people, especially people via computer. I will be more careful about where and when I comment. LOL. I just have inordinately too much time on my hands on evening this week. Next week I will be busy again!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:53 AM

Flagpole. 3:00 o'clock. After school tomorrow. Be there ;)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:52 AM

Also, that is like saying once someone is anorexic for long enough, hunger seems to decrease- which it does. That is not a good argument. i see hunger as having a fast metabolism, which is generally a marker of having more energy and good health. So, saying that someone experience reduced hunger is a negative in my mind.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:51 AM

Sorry, I mean, I don't think they do offend you.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:50 AM

so people avoid the yoyo dieting that occurs so often in mainstream because they are so extreme. A healthy, blanced, paleo diet while in a caloric deficit is all you need to lose weight and feel good. I'm allowed to voice my opinion as long as it's not being offensive. I don't think my differing views should offend you.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:49 AM

Yeah I know, but I think not being open to common wisdom is being close minded. I'm just trying to keep these paleo boards unbiased. ;) I'm not recommending anything not paleo. A paleo diet combined with time tested common weight loss wisdom is, in my opinion, the fastest way to achieve the results you want. When you try to change more than one variable at once, you're rate of success plummets dramatically. So, I think trying to be paleo, vlc, in a calorie deficit, intermittent fast, exercise, is practically setting people up for yo-yo dieting. Paleo should be about balance...

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:34 AM

@Foreveryoung - Once a person becomes more fat-burning adjusted, hunger signals seem to decrease. I can tell you from my own experience that I can eat 1,000 calories for breakfast, skip lunch, eat an early dinner before 6pm, and end up with a severe caloric deficit (it happened yesterday, to be frank, I ate 1700kcal for the whole day). A lot of your concepts that you are throwing around are very heavily common-wisdom dominated, and that's ok... but around here we tend to practice self-experimentation maintain skepticism on common wisdom - which usually does end up being wrong for many.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:27 AM

*you're* - hate that.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:27 AM

And I have no idea of the typical sumo wrestler meal is exactly composed. I would imagine your right though, at least a helluva lot of rice.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:25 AM

I don't understand why the meal can't be more balanced? Like some protein, some fat, and some carbs. If you are just eating protein and fat and eliminating carbs AND skipping meals AND eating 1 giant one AND creating a caloric deficit to loose weight- that is ALOT of stress on your body and may do more harm than good.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:23 AM

Yeah, but at the end of the day if you are in a caloric surpless, regardless of if you eat one giant meal or 8 little ones, you will still gain weight.

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:05 AM

But what is in that meal? They eat anywhere from 15000 to 20000 calories a day, the majority of that being LOADS of rice and soy. Seriously man, context!

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246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:42 AM

Hey Mike, I don't know where you read/heard that the body can only process x amount of calories at a time, but it's complete horsecrap.

If you wake up hungry and want to eat a big breakie, go broke with it. On the weekends (and most days, as of late) I slam big breakfasts and usually end up completely skipping lunch, instead merging lunch with dinner at 5-6pm.

My typical breakfast is as follows: 3 pastured eggs fried in kerrygold 4-5 strips of thick-cut nitrate/sugar-free bacon 1 tomato and/or avocado and my guilty pleasure, about 16oz or so of french-pressed coffee. On the weekends I might also have one or two little sausages along with. I also lift very heavy for about 2 hours on saturday, so Sunday I might even throw in (gasp) two scoops of unflavored whey to bump up my protein. Not paleo - not caring.

This breakfast keeps me going well through the day. The problem with the concept of eating smaller meals to control hunter really has more to do with someone eating foods that burn off quickly, i.e. simple carbs. Fats, by themselves, tend to burn at a much more measured rate metabolically and in the absence of sugars, will stave off hunger much longer than say, rice, oatmeal, or bread.

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on April 12, 2012
at 12:23 PM

@Peter - I know because of my recovering obesity that I'm not the best person for this, but unlike potatoes or oats, eggs and bacon do not trigger binges... starches do. In my personal experiments, I would eat a steak and veggies and be fine. Introduce a potato, and I had to fight the urge to continue eating past the point of being full.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on April 12, 2012
at 04:05 AM

@Joshua - re fats being more satiating, I used to think that too, however some research on pubmed seems to indicate otherwise - http://paleohacks.com/questions/101891/is-fat-more-satiating#axzz1rnMVvG1U. Potatoes are supposedly one of the most satiating foods around - http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/palatability-satiety-and-calorie-intake.html. I also find oatmeal to be incredibly filling.

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

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on April 12, 2012
at 10:02 AM

@Peter. I used to find oatmeal filling for about an hour. One egg fills me up for hours compared to oatmeal 1/2 hours top.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 12, 2012
at 02:05 PM

If you are hungry at breakfast time, eat at breakfast time but don't go forcing food down if your belly isn't really interested. Eating when not hungry is a great way to gain weight.
I can go for a few hours without breakfast and I feel better for it. My head feels much clearer in the morning and my belly is happier without a load of food first thing. Since doing this, I have lost body fat, which was not my actual intetion because my bodyfat is usually about 11% anyway. I just wanted to feel more alert but I have definitely lost a little fat too.

Btw all of my meals are high fat and vlc and they were also high fat and vlc when I used to have an early breakast.

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on April 12, 2012
at 12:57 AM

That is a great idea. Eating 2-3 meals a day with one of them being breakfast works well.

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on August 12, 2013
at 07:01 PM

A huge breakfast works for me. Upwards of 1000+ calories at breakfast. About 1 cup worth of of sweet potato hash pan fried in lard and seasoned, 3 eggs fried in butter, and ground pork or sausage or bacon.

During the week I eat this breakfast and also eat lunch and snack throughout the day. On the weekend I eat this breakfast, and usually skip lunch and tend not to eat until dinner around 8pm at night.

Works for me :-)

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on August 12, 2013
at 06:37 PM

Depends. IF/Leangains (etc) would recommend skipping breakfast to extend your fast, ie. fat burning. On the other hand, Dr. Jack Kruse suggests eating a large protein breakfast within 30 minutes of waking, to reset your leptin. I think both are plausible; I just happen to follow the Warrior Diet approach most days (skipping breakfast and lunch, then a large dinner, to take advantage of the supposed hormonal benefits), and eat more freely on weekends.

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:37 AM

I've found eating lightly during the day(an egg and kale for breakfast,salad with avocado for lunch,with two small serving of fruits or veggies in between), then my big meal at night,helps keep more more focused during the day.Eating too much early seems to be hard on my body and makes me tired.Everyone is different though, you have to experiment.

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on April 12, 2012
at 01:00 AM

WHy don't you just try to eat 3 normal sized meals? Or many smaller ones. Sumo wresters, in an attempt to put on as much fat as possible, will restrict themselves to one giant meal per day.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:49 AM

Yeah I know, but I think not being open to common wisdom is being close minded. I'm just trying to keep these paleo boards unbiased. ;) I'm not recommending anything not paleo. A paleo diet combined with time tested common weight loss wisdom is, in my opinion, the fastest way to achieve the results you want. When you try to change more than one variable at once, you're rate of success plummets dramatically. So, I think trying to be paleo, vlc, in a calorie deficit, intermittent fast, exercise, is practically setting people up for yo-yo dieting. Paleo should be about balance...

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:05 AM

But what is in that meal? They eat anywhere from 15000 to 20000 calories a day, the majority of that being LOADS of rice and soy. Seriously man, context!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:25 AM

I don't understand why the meal can't be more balanced? Like some protein, some fat, and some carbs. If you are just eating protein and fat and eliminating carbs AND skipping meals AND eating 1 giant one AND creating a caloric deficit to loose weight- that is ALOT of stress on your body and may do more harm than good.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:56 AM

I don't like getting into arguments with people, especially people via computer. I will be more careful about where and when I comment. LOL. I just have inordinately too much time on my hands on evening this week. Next week I will be busy again!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:27 AM

And I have no idea of the typical sumo wrestler meal is exactly composed. I would imagine your right though, at least a helluva lot of rice.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:27 AM

*you're* - hate that.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:52 AM

Also, that is like saying once someone is anorexic for long enough, hunger seems to decrease- which it does. That is not a good argument. i see hunger as having a fast metabolism, which is generally a marker of having more energy and good health. So, saying that someone experience reduced hunger is a negative in my mind.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:23 AM

Yeah, but at the end of the day if you are in a caloric surpless, regardless of if you eat one giant meal or 8 little ones, you will still gain weight.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:53 AM

Flagpole. 3:00 o'clock. After school tomorrow. Be there ;)

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:34 AM

@Foreveryoung - Once a person becomes more fat-burning adjusted, hunger signals seem to decrease. I can tell you from my own experience that I can eat 1,000 calories for breakfast, skip lunch, eat an early dinner before 6pm, and end up with a severe caloric deficit (it happened yesterday, to be frank, I ate 1700kcal for the whole day). A lot of your concepts that you are throwing around are very heavily common-wisdom dominated, and that's ok... but around here we tend to practice self-experimentation maintain skepticism on common wisdom - which usually does end up being wrong for many.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:01 PM

Hey, Joshua. Congrats on your weight loss and success doing VLC paleo. However, I still have my suspicions about this. For starters, was it really beans and chicken and whole grains that made you obese, or was it eating too many calories? IF you ate cereal as a vegetarian, the combination of milk + grains is a potent recipe for gaining unwanted body fat (in fact, this is how some INdian cultures deliberately fatten up the young girl- by feeding them millet porridge with whole milk). I'm still not convinced that whole grains in and of themselves cause obesity....

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:50 AM

so people avoid the yoyo dieting that occurs so often in mainstream because they are so extreme. A healthy, blanced, paleo diet while in a caloric deficit is all you need to lose weight and feel good. I'm allowed to voice my opinion as long as it's not being offensive. I don't think my differing views should offend you.

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on April 12, 2012
at 12:29 PM

@foreveryoung, peter is right, not all common wisdom is wrong. However, I directly attribute much of my own obesity to the way I was fed as a child. She put me on the "common wisdom" of the 80's diets - whole grain bread, lots of beans, chicken. I became a vegetarian in my teens, kept getting fatter. I am well over 140lbs lighter than I was when I started Paleo, and I am still moving forward. Trust me, a desperate and motivated fat person has tried EVERYTHING. The way I eat today, is the result of 15 years of self-experimentation. And by the way, I've not been offended once in your posts...

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:51 AM

Sorry, I mean, I don't think they do offend you.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on April 12, 2012
at 04:07 AM

Just because something is conventional wisdom does not mean it's wrong. It's just a good indicator that it might be :)

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