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Hack my Ultimate Smoothie (for low-reward smoothie fast)

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Created December 02, 2011 at 1:46 AM

In this study by Hashim, which I've seen cited on blogs a few times, the obese subjects spontaneously reduced calories and lost substantial bodyfat when restricted to a smoothie of sorts ??? specifically, a liquid formula that was nutritionally complete in some ways, but full of crap in others. For example, it got much of its protein from soy, much of its fat from canola oil, etc. (See the list of ingredients here.) (The non-obese subjects maintained their caloric intake and their bodyweight.)

The monotony of the "food" intake in that study made for a low food reward, the theory goes, staving off hunger pangs.

Similarly, in the movie Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead, a couple of obese subjects got tremendously good results by doing a fruit-and-vegetable juice fast for 60 days.

I'm going to try something along the same lines ??? I'm not sure yet for how long ??? but I'm going to try to use a liquid formula that is much more healthful. No soy or canola oil for me. Good sources of fat and protein will make my experiment different from both the Hashim study and the Fat, Sick movie.

I've lost about 50 pounds so far on a primal/WAPF-type diet, but I could stand to lose at least 20 more, and I've stalled for the past few months.

My questions for the group are: (1) Doesn't my smoothie formula below sound nutritionally awesome? And (2) How would you improve on it?

Here's the recipe I've come up with:

  • 4 oz. chicken stock
  • 4 oz. coconut milk
  • 4 oz. coconut water
  • 4 oz. kombucha
  • the juice from one orange
  • the juice from one lemon
  • half a banana
  • one pastured egg yolk
  • one tablespoon liver powder
  • one tablespoon whey protein powder
  • one tablespoon greens powder
  • one tablespoon raw maca powder
  • one tablespoon raw honey
  • one gram true cinnamon powder
  • one gram ground fenugreek seeds
  • one gram dried cayenne pepper
  • one gram dried turmeric powder
  • 500mg stinging nettle root extract
  • 10 drops ConcenTrace mineral supplement

I expected it to taste gross, but it actually doesn't. It's not delicious or anything, but it's perfectly sippable.

I'm not getting much in the way of omega-3 fats (just a bit from the pastured egg yolk). But other than that, although I haven't tried to run it through FitDay or anything, it looks to me like I'm getting pretty much everything I need. The liver powder and egg yolk supply a wide range of vitamins; and what they lack (e.g., vitamin C) should be covered by the fruit and the greens. The coconut milk has good saturated fat. The coconut water has electrolytes. The kombucha has probiotics. The chicken stock has gelatin, collagen, glycine and whatnot. The honey, herbs, and spices have antioxidants and antimicrobial properties and other magic.

Do I have all my bases covered?

I'm going to try to go ten days on this smoothie fast and then reevaluate after that whether I'll continue. (I may also have some pickled herring once every few days for the EPA, DHA, and vitamin D. I guess that no longer makes it a smoothie fast, but I don't think it will substantially increase food reward and throw me off.)

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on June 20, 2012
at 11:45 PM

How is this smoothie thing going for you, maurille? I am trying something similar to it right now.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on December 03, 2011
at 07:03 AM

That's the kind of support I come to PH to find.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on December 03, 2011
at 01:44 AM

Everyone in this room looks a bit crazy to folks still eating SAD! ;)

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on December 03, 2011
at 01:41 AM

Oh cool on the gentle-processing, and on the fat being left in. Sounds like you're good to go, then. :) Anyway with the pastured yolks, you'll be hitting a good array of similar nutrients (I think -- someone correct me if I'm wrong). Not as much A, but still some nice fat solubles. Let us know how it goes, ya?

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on December 02, 2011
at 09:06 PM

I'll update the original post every few days describing my experience.

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on December 02, 2011
at 02:58 PM

We may think you are a bit crazy, but rock on! Let us know how it all turns out.

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on December 02, 2011
at 11:52 AM

I'd agree with the water fast. I don't see how this can be even theoretically sustainable because, as you say with regards broth or veggie fasting, you need fat and protein. At best I'd think this would make the body confused. I'd say either eat or don't eat.

E639bc85fd42430285596434a6515ad5

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on December 02, 2011
at 04:11 AM

I don't know whether a large percentage of the nutrients in the liver powder are retained. It's a question I've submitted to Robb Wolf's podcast, but it didn't get answered. The info from the manufacturer (Now Foods) says that it's dessicated without high heat so as to retain the vitamins. It's not defatted — it's 37.5% fat by calories. Sally Fallon has said that dessicated liver is a decent substitute for fresh liver, but I wish I could get better info about precisely which nutrients are retained and which are not. (Maybe I'll post it as another question at PH to see if anybody else knows.)

E639bc85fd42430285596434a6515ad5

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on December 02, 2011
at 04:04 AM

I don't know yet that I'll be doing it for only ten days. At the end of ten days, I may decide to go longer. And while bone broth with veggie juice sounds fine even for a couple months, it lacks enough fat and protein to be sustainable. (Not that it needs to be sustainable since it's not permanent; but I kind of like the *idea* of making it nutritionally complete enough to be sustainable in theory.) And it's not that much work compared to the elaborate stews and such that I sometimes make. :)

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on December 02, 2011
at 02:40 AM

I agree, a water fast or a bone broth fast could probably accomplish more and be less complicated. And taste better, either way :)

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Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on December 02, 2011
at 03:55 AM

I'd drink it and probably like it, but I have weird tastes. It does look nutritionally broad.

The liver powder: I've heard that it's not so hot nutritionally because the processing wrecks the nutrients. The delicate oil-soluble vitamins, which is part of why we eat liver, don't survive powdering.

FitDay gives it as 68g carbs on the fruit, honey, and coconut; that may be high for breaking a weight plateau, depending on how you react to carbs, and depending how many a day you have.

Make sure to swish with water after, due to the acid from the lemons and oranges.

Good luck. :)

E639bc85fd42430285596434a6515ad5

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on December 02, 2011
at 04:11 AM

I don't know whether a large percentage of the nutrients in the liver powder are retained. It's a question I've submitted to Robb Wolf's podcast, but it didn't get answered. The info from the manufacturer (Now Foods) says that it's dessicated without high heat so as to retain the vitamins. It's not defatted — it's 37.5% fat by calories. Sally Fallon has said that dessicated liver is a decent substitute for fresh liver, but I wish I could get better info about precisely which nutrients are retained and which are not. (Maybe I'll post it as another question at PH to see if anybody else knows.)

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on December 03, 2011
at 01:41 AM

Oh cool on the gentle-processing, and on the fat being left in. Sounds like you're good to go, then. :) Anyway with the pastured yolks, you'll be hitting a good array of similar nutrients (I think -- someone correct me if I'm wrong). Not as much A, but still some nice fat solubles. Let us know how it goes, ya?

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on December 02, 2011
at 02:16 AM

I'd just go with water only if I was only going for ten days. If longer bone broth and veggie juices sounds good to me. Your concoction looks like way too much work for me :). But, I'm not all that into the whole food reward hypothesis so I guess I'm just looking at it from a fast standpoint.

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

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on December 02, 2011
at 02:40 AM

I agree, a water fast or a bone broth fast could probably accomplish more and be less complicated. And taste better, either way :)

E639bc85fd42430285596434a6515ad5

(2226)

on December 02, 2011
at 04:04 AM

I don't know yet that I'll be doing it for only ten days. At the end of ten days, I may decide to go longer. And while bone broth with veggie juice sounds fine even for a couple months, it lacks enough fat and protein to be sustainable. (Not that it needs to be sustainable since it's not permanent; but I kind of like the *idea* of making it nutritionally complete enough to be sustainable in theory.) And it's not that much work compared to the elaborate stews and such that I sometimes make. :)

Dfada6fe4982ab3b7557172f20632da8

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on December 02, 2011
at 11:52 AM

I'd agree with the water fast. I don't see how this can be even theoretically sustainable because, as you say with regards broth or veggie fasting, you need fat and protein. At best I'd think this would make the body confused. I'd say either eat or don't eat.

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on December 03, 2011
at 05:28 AM

I think it's great.

I've always thought this site was about "hacking" diet or at least finding shortcuts and ways to optimize it. Paleo is very broad and means different things to different people, but I disagree with the common sentiment on this site that low reward is somehow bad because its "gross" and unsustainable over the long term.

Maximizing nutrition and hacking our way to meet our health and dietary goals... thats what it's about, right? We are supposed to be operating at the extremes at Paleohacks, and this post is exactly that.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on December 03, 2011
at 07:03 AM

That's the kind of support I come to PH to find.

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on December 02, 2011
at 06:52 PM

I may be remembering incorrectly, but I believe those people were way overweight, and had incentive to stay on the diet. The concern with any diet like this is mental. After a while, you simply don't want to take anymore of it, and if food is readily available, you binge on other items. Losing 20 lbs might not be enough incentive for this.

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on December 02, 2011
at 03:41 AM

I know this is a legit question you have, but the only response that comes to mind when I read that ingredient list is "seriously?" I have zero feedback on your concotion other than to say living on something that is "perfectly sippable" for 10 days does not sound like the right approach to losing that extra 20 lbs. I'd personally take another look at my food, exercise, sleep, etc. and see what else might be adjusted to kick start past the plateu. Good luck.

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