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Can we talk about fracking?

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Created July 20, 2011 at 8:00 PM

This is kind of a stretch, BUT I think it could apply, as it endangers the local food supplies in many places.

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Because most of this drilling is done on farmland, and near local water sources, it's really a cause for alarm. It's a perfect storm of lack of oversight, economic depression, political gibberish about foreign oil dependency and domestic resources, and it makes me so angry! It's so dangerous, and it will destroy our land.

Do you know about fracking (Hydraulic Fracturing). Do you know someone who has wells on their land? Has it impacted your drinking water? Or your farm?

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on July 20, 2011
at 09:16 PM

i think he's talking about getting pollution into your nutrion. Cancer causing chemicals in beef, even grass fed, as well in plants... I think that's pretty relevant.

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:49 PM

And I'm sure there's no ulterior motive in the noble documentary maker in appealing to the emotion and ignorance of the viewer either (e.g. Super-Size Me). I'm not even saying that it's not an issue. I'm just saying that documentaries such as these are generally manipulative and play loose with the facts. It's also slightly ironic that we're playing the "look who funded the studies!" game (again, not saying it's always irrelevant) when studies are frequently cited here that have funding from dairy/meat producers...

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:45 PM

@FB. I'm in! Right now I'm reading an article on food politics, and i.e., the FDA wants to regulate walnuts as a drug because of health claims. And it goes on. If you're interested: http://gaia-health.com/articles451/000490-theft-health-rights.shtml

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:41 PM

We're dealing with this here in PA too... we were up in Nothern PA (Tioga County, right over the boarder from NY), and they are drilling EVERY WHERE up there... it made me sick to think about what they're putting in the ground water...

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:41 PM

Nutrition IS political :-)

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:39 PM

nutrition is political. I'll start a new party. The Food Party.

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:38 PM

natural gas wells? I'm talking about the industrial process of drilling for natural gas and the contamination it causes in ground-water.

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:34 PM

"The mission of the Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (COGCC) is to foster the responsible development of Colorado's oil and gas natural resources." Doesn't sound like a conflict of interest to me!! (sarcasm)

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:34 PM

quoted from the Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission's website (their name sounds nice and environmental-y, doesn't it?):

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:33 PM

Who did those studies though Jim? Don't they have a vested interest in allowing more drilling and clearing the way of complaints against the gas companies??

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:30 PM

Yeah Gasland scared the everloving s**t out of me. And they want to drill more in upstate NY. So scary!! I wish there was something more I could do.

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:24 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9CfUm0QeOk

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:24 PM

I mean "direct" in the sense that you may not be able to light your tap water on fire, and live nowhere near fracking sites, but you'll still suffer the effects...

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:21 PM

Yes, it is call for alarm. Have you seen the documentary "Gasland"? Highly recommended. The impact may not even be direct -- for example, in Gasland there's a rancher who was raising GF cattle and fracking contaminated his land. What does he do with the cattle now? How many animals are being raised on contaminated lands unkowingly? Yeah, it's scary.

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:10 PM

But seriously, thanks for introducing me to a new topic. Never heard of this before...

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on July 20, 2011
at 09:38 PM

No, it's NOT cause for alarm, at least not for the reasons you've been told. It's recently come out that the places that were featured in Gasland had flammable tap water long before fracking even EXISTED.

My husband was a fracker for about 2 years (until a year ago), and during that time he was sent to work all over the country. Also, he was the fluid tech (the guy in charge of the chemicals). Consequently, he got to see, up close and personal, exactly how the whole process worked, every day. The claims about contaminated groundwater? Bullshit. If it is happening, it's not as a result of fracking- which is not to suggest that there might not be unscrupulous types out there dumping things where they ought not to be dumped, or some such.

There IS another side to the story- please, please, please do some research on your own, and don't just take their word for it!!!

Aha! The other side is hard to dig out! This is the most in-depth link I've found: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/04/the-gasland-movie-a-fracking-shame-director-pulls-video-to-hide-inconvenient-truths/

"Josh Fox has made a documentary that makes some pretty alarming claims about gas drilling across the US. But as is often the case when these claims are examined they do not stand up to scrutiny. Fox??? documentary Gasland, claims that fracking, a way of drilling for natural gas, has polluted water and endangered lives. One of the most alarming scenes is when he lights water that residents claim has been polluted by fracking. It is dramatic and at first glance seems like a slam dunk. I mean they can light their water ??? it is polluted and there is gas drilling nearby. It must be responsible. But then a little digging reveals a few inconvenient facts. A 1976 study by the Colorado Division of Water found that this area was plagued with gas in the water problems back then. And it was naturally occurring. As the report stated there was ???troublesome amounts of methane??? in the water decades before fracking began. It seems that in geographical areas gas has always been in the water. But Josh Fox knew this and chose not to put it in Gasland. I asked him about this omission at a recent screening at Northwestern University in Chicago. He said he had not included these facts that questioned his alarmism because ???they were not relevant.??? He also dropped the bombshell that I had not been aware of that there were media reports of people lighting their water as far back as 1936. Again this was not included in Gasland because it was not relevant. Perhaps Josh you should include all the evidence and let people figure out what is relevant and what is not."

Here's another interesting link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303936704576398462932810874.html

CORRELATION DOES NOT = CAUSATION!

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5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:08 PM

I thought this was a post about improved sexual prowess while on the Paleo diet. I leave disappointed :-(

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on July 20, 2011
at 09:22 PM

great question! this is becoming a seriously important issue if we intend to keep our water/food supply safe. Gasland scared the s**t out of me too, but I'm very glad I saw it and also highly recommend it.

The sheer amount of these wells in the country and their location among our farmland is very scary. Several countries, (here i go again, admiring yet another thing about the French) like France, have outlawed fracking. I hope the US follows suit.

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Acc38052c1efe7fc4338dc55f2428bfe

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:23 PM

Hey, you got your politics in my nutrition!

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:39 PM

nutrition is political. I'll start a new party. The Food Party.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 20, 2011
at 08:41 PM

Nutrition IS political :-)

Medium avatar

(5136)

on July 20, 2011
at 09:16 PM

i think he's talking about getting pollution into your nutrion. Cancer causing chemicals in beef, even grass fed, as well in plants... I think that's pretty relevant.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 20, 2011
at 08:45 PM

@FB. I'm in! Right now I'm reading an article on food politics, and i.e., the FDA wants to regulate walnuts as a drug because of health claims. And it goes on. If you're interested: http://gaia-health.com/articles451/000490-theft-health-rights.shtml

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:36 PM

Futureboy: on my farmland(South Surrey BC, Canada) many neighbouring lands have wells but...they are full of arsenic! Luckily the land is on the agricultural land reserve(which is land protected by statute allocated exclusively for farming). I have often thought of puting a well on it but...the arsenic in the ground dissuades me. Any ideas as to what sort of drinking-water apparatus I should set up?

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:38 PM

natural gas wells? I'm talking about the industrial process of drilling for natural gas and the contamination it causes in ground-water.

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