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Just saw the Ohio dairy farm footage

Commented on March 27, 2014
Created March 27, 2014 at 7:31 PM

I think I will be paleo rather than primal from now on.

I was so disgusted I am never drinking fucking milk again. The workers are just beating the fuck out of these animals, stabbing them in the eyes with pitch forks, restraining them and literally smashing them in the face until they froth at the mouth and scream and their face caves in.

How much of this shit is happening to the animals I am eating bought from tesco and am I a hypocrite for being in tears seeing cows tortured but don't blink an eye when they have their throat cut?

I recently asked about buying a grass fed free range animal from a uk farm, how much better will their lives be?

I can not believe what I just watched I am physically shaking at how angry that made me. Am I just going to have to accept that this shit goes on and that unless I get a new dream job where I can buy grass fed free range all the time, my money is ultimately supporting this?

What the farm put out as its public image

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3JnEFcXEbs

What was happening inside

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilEBWc7GCwA

There is even worse footage out there but I don't really want to post it to be honest.

I know it sounds selfish but I really still don't want to go vegan, I did it before and I just did not thrive on it at all, I might have to look into getting more protein from non dairy sources like beans and lentils and buying the best standard animal protein I can afford, when I can afford it.

A6b302171ad297933107ec7e6abadf39

on March 27, 2014
at 09:10 PM

I would call them murderers not mentally challenged.

And I don't call rapists omnivore rapists.

As I said people have raises healthy vegan babies before.

These people were neglectful parents, lots of "omnivore" parents starve and neglect kids to death too.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on March 27, 2014
at 09:04 PM

I tend to view ethics as learned behavior and not something necessarily inherent in people. Education is the solution.

When the mothers keep their babies the milk tastes happier, haha.

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on March 27, 2014
at 08:53 PM

What I was curious about is; Is there a specific reason for the abuse, does it somehow benefit them? Or are they just sick in the head?

TBH I don't really care if cows get to keep their babies. //BadPerson

It's not like that is any less moral than just breeding them for food or veil production.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on March 27, 2014
at 08:43 PM

The mothers can keep their calves if the operation is not out to make a large profit.

http://www.the-calf-at-foot-dairy.co.uk/ seems to have a good model for local raw dairy.

Whenever possible, those types of farms should be checked out and supported over their competitors with less respect for animals.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on March 27, 2014
at 08:37 PM

Anyhow my overall point is not about vegans starving their kids, it's about how some groups will use certain incidents to smear other people who they do not like. For example a white supremacy group might posts videos about people from other races doing bad things and use it as evidence that people from other races are inherently "bad" and their bad behavior is "endemic". This would be ridiculous and dismissed immediately as racist, as it should be. All I'm saying is, we should not tar and feather farmers who raise animals for food as being bad, just from watching some online videos.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on March 27, 2014
at 08:31 PM

A hundred thousand videos is not the same as a hundred thousand matching results. Many results could simply have been duplicates or have had words that matched the search criteria but were not necessarily about animal being abused. I'm saying since you cannot confirm this, you cannot be completely sure that you are correct, unless you verified each search result (which we all know you didn't).

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on March 27, 2014
at 08:27 PM

Read it again:

"Police searching the couple's apartment found a soy milk bottle, an apple juice bottle and a rancid-smelling baby bottle caked with debris."

There were three bottles, not one. You ignored that fact.

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As to your other question, I'm not a farmer and I don't raise animals for a living so I don't really know how they're raised. I suppose it depends on the farm and conditions would vary accordingly, some likely being better than others.

A6b302171ad297933107ec7e6abadf39

on March 27, 2014
at 08:26 PM

Why are you calling people liars on internet forums for disagreeing with you? And no, please learn to read and comprehend what you read. I said I watched a video on google, the search turned up a hundred thousand videos and other things pertaining to undercover footage and documents and articles etc etc.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on March 27, 2014
at 08:22 PM

You've seen these 100,000 of thousands of videos? Wow, you have a lot of free time, either that or you're lying. Anyhow, official government statistics would be a good start to determine if we have an endemic. If the percentage of cases is only 0.01% of farms, then it would probably not be endemic, but if the problem was like in 20% of farms, then yes it would be substantial (but highly improbable).

A6b302171ad297933107ec7e6abadf39

on March 27, 2014
at 08:21 PM

A rancid baby bottle caked with debris? So if the juice and soy milk was caked hard on the bottle, is it safe to safe that it was a while since it was last used? Hence the starving?

also

Also if someone were to drink stow bought milk, what companies have the best standards in your opinion and is there any such thing as "humanely treated" animal products in the supermarket?

For example I buy my chickens at about 1 pound 80 pence per kg. For it to be that cheap I would imagine the costs spent on the welfare of the animal were almost non existent?

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on March 27, 2014
at 08:16 PM

You're lying. The articles (all three of them) clearly state that the children were fed vegan diets, which killed them because of nutritional deficiencies. Read my comment again. I listed three articles, not one. The one where the child starved was because all he was fed was apple juice and soy milk.

A6b302171ad297933107ec7e6abadf39

on March 27, 2014
at 08:16 PM

Are there 100,000's of actual videos of actual animal abuse taking place online in farms? If so is that endemic? If not what would constitute endemic?

A6b302171ad297933107ec7e6abadf39

on March 27, 2014
at 08:11 PM

Also that baby died from neglect, it was fed nothing and was starved, the details of the case are online, the parents happened to be nutty vegans, but the fact they routinely starved their baby is the cause of the large amount of death that resulted.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on March 27, 2014
at 08:10 PM

Anyhow, that's not the point. The farm thing is not endemic, if it was, then a whole lot of farmers would be going to jail. It's kind of like saying that most dog owners are criminals because Michael Vick (a notorious NFL football player) was running a dog fighting operation on one of his properties or because there are youtube videos about dog fights. Your unfairly painting a whole group of people with a broad brush because of what a few criminal scumbags did.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on March 27, 2014
at 08:10 PM

The only case? I actually referenced three cases, I was going to put more but there's a whole bunch so I didn't want to clog up the post. Since there are no statistics about farms that break animal cruelty laws to compare against vegans who kill their kids, you can't make any assumptions.

A6b302171ad297933107ec7e6abadf39

on March 27, 2014
at 08:03 PM

I am not Vegan though, I have been doing a primal diet. That article did not make me hate Vegans, it made me think they were well meaning but bumbling idiots and its the only case I've ever heard of.

Where as I watched that video of those cows and there are over 100 thousand videos on google of other abuse footage from farms. So that made me think abuse on farms is far more endemic than vegans accidentally killing their kids.

A6b302171ad297933107ec7e6abadf39

on March 27, 2014
at 07:48 PM

Thanks for the milk coin line, cheered me up dude. Yeah I would like to think buying raw milk from that farm that does the pigs and cows i want to get would be better, but how on earth can I say that i know they will be treated better? Have there been any undercover footage videos that have shown free roaming cattle being abused?

It almost seems like it is inevitable that when people have total control over an animal wether human or another species abuse will occur.

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A6b302171ad297933107ec7e6abadf39

on March 27, 2014
at 09:07 PM

@TheGastronomerSo now I'm lying about being vegan, sigh.

I am doing the primal diet for the last time.

Seriously dude, brazenly call people liars and accuse them of being something they have told you they are not repeatedly and you will be have the crap beaten out of you.

But something tells me the internet posturing is as tough as you get.

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Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on March 27, 2014
at 08:56 PM

@ManchesterPaleo

The vegan baby starvation story was one of three, you chose to neglect the other two. And yes one bottle was unused, but TWO BOTTLES HAD SOYMILK AND APPLE JUICE. You seem to be a vegan so I will repeat that for you ONE BOTTLE APPLE JUICE and another bottle HAD SOYMILK. Get it? Do I need to repeat it again? If one was unused, then that's because they were feeding the kid from the ones with apple juice and soymilk bottles.

To the other articles. The babies died from DEFICIENCIES (Vitamin deficiencies to be precise) . Which is the number one problem with vegan diets. They are incomplete diets and unhealthy for any human being, specially one that is developing and growing.

Finally, the point is not to bash vegans but to simply point out that wackos and idiots are everywhere, but vegans are a fanatical bunch who are indoctrinated and will smear anyone who isn't a vegan by claiming that they are animal abusers.

Those animal abuse videos are intended to mislead people into thinking that the entire industry is like that when in reality it is only a TINY percentage of the industry that behaves this way (especially since they risk significant fines and jail time if they do).

And by the way, I don't care for mentally challenged vegan parents who subject their babies to veganism, they should go to jail. And I don't care how many "cute" pictures you post.

A6b302171ad297933107ec7e6abadf39

on March 27, 2014
at 09:10 PM

I would call them murderers not mentally challenged.

And I don't call rapists omnivore rapists.

As I said people have raises healthy vegan babies before.

These people were neglectful parents, lots of "omnivore" parents starve and neglect kids to death too.

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A6b302171ad297933107ec7e6abadf39

on March 27, 2014
at 08:41 PM

@TheGastronomer

First of all thank you for the reply and lets try to be civil here for goodness sake. Now to address the vegan baby killers thing. My point about the bottle is, if they have a bloody baby bottle, even one of three, caked with the remnants of whatever had been in it, do you think those people were feeding their baby regularly or giving it much thought?

And having seen babies raised vegan online I know being vegan did not kill anyone, being a horrible human and starving your baby by feeding it apple juice and soy milk did. And generally not caring about it.

I have been fed lies by the Vegan diehard online population which lead me to low testosterone levels, low libido, chronic inflammation, digestion problems.

I can't stand the name calling biassed reactions people in the paleo community online sometimes throw t people.

I am eating primal/paleo, I eat meat and I feel better than I did vegan, but the mere sight of me defending the fact vegans can be healthy and that vegan baby deaths are no where near as endemic as animal abuse in farms has you treating me with open barbed tongue hostility, a way which you would never address normal, nice and respectful people in your real life away from this website.

A little respect would be nice and some might call it necessary for a community like this one, even online as it is, to thrive.

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7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on March 27, 2014
at 08:06 PM

Why is this necessary for dairy production? ( Didn't want to watch the other videos)

I understand that calfs have to be taken from there mothers for the operation.

Also...hope they don't let that guy become a police officer.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on March 27, 2014
at 08:43 PM

The mothers can keep their calves if the operation is not out to make a large profit.

http://www.the-calf-at-foot-dairy.co.uk/ seems to have a good model for local raw dairy.

Whenever possible, those types of farms should be checked out and supported over their competitors with less respect for animals.

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Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on March 27, 2014
at 07:58 PM

Why do you even eat/drink dairy? It's not paleo, or vegan if that's what you're into (Oh no I've really done it now, everyone is going to hate me for talking bad about dairy lol). Just avoid the stuff, you'll be better off in more ways than one. And remember, there are animal cruelty laws in place so that stuff you see there is illegal and if someone reports it, the perpetrators will go to jail if found guilty. Just like with any other serious felony.

It doesn't mean all animal products are from unethical producers, but vegan activists like to show the exceptions. Kind of like if I showed you a newspaper article about vegans who refused to feed their kids animal products until their kids died (case 1: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2547134/Five-month-old-baby-dies-rickets-devout-parents-strict-vegetarian-diet-faith.html, case 2: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371172/French-vegan-couple-face-jail-child-neglect-baby-died-vitamin-deficiency.html, case 3: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/vegan-couple-serve-life-sentences-starving-baby-death-court-rules-article-1.957707) with the intention of getting you to hate vegans. Keep that in mind whenever you watch propaganda videos.

A6b302171ad297933107ec7e6abadf39

on March 27, 2014
at 08:11 PM

Also that baby died from neglect, it was fed nothing and was starved, the details of the case are online, the parents happened to be nutty vegans, but the fact they routinely starved their baby is the cause of the large amount of death that resulted.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on March 27, 2014
at 08:37 PM

Anyhow my overall point is not about vegans starving their kids, it's about how some groups will use certain incidents to smear other people who they do not like. For example a white supremacy group might posts videos about people from other races doing bad things and use it as evidence that people from other races are inherently "bad" and their bad behavior is "endemic". This would be ridiculous and dismissed immediately as racist, as it should be. All I'm saying is, we should not tar and feather farmers who raise animals for food as being bad, just from watching some online videos.

A6b302171ad297933107ec7e6abadf39

on March 27, 2014
at 08:03 PM

I am not Vegan though, I have been doing a primal diet. That article did not make me hate Vegans, it made me think they were well meaning but bumbling idiots and its the only case I've ever heard of.

Where as I watched that video of those cows and there are over 100 thousand videos on google of other abuse footage from farms. So that made me think abuse on farms is far more endemic than vegans accidentally killing their kids.

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A6b302171ad297933107ec7e6abadf39

on March 27, 2014
at 07:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYTkM1OHFQg

The worst of the abuse videos, I didn't really want to post them but I really think anyone who drinks milk should at least watch it once, I am glad I did because I will be voting with my money and farms like these will not be getting anything from me ever again.

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Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on March 27, 2014
at 07:44 PM

From what I've read, it's unsustainable to produce dairy products for profit without killing cows and separating calves from the mothers, where vegans have a hard time supporting the idea. I've only seen one place even try it with way overpriced milk plus donations. I think there's a difference between tortured CAFO dairy, and grass-fed dairy where the cows are able to play outside and eat their favorite foods until they're immediately knocked unconscious one day.

It's worth the extra cash to buy the nicer milk and to avoid the conventional alternatives if you cannot. Get that dream job and make that sweet milk coin.

A6b302171ad297933107ec7e6abadf39

on March 27, 2014
at 07:48 PM

Thanks for the milk coin line, cheered me up dude. Yeah I would like to think buying raw milk from that farm that does the pigs and cows i want to get would be better, but how on earth can I say that i know they will be treated better? Have there been any undercover footage videos that have shown free roaming cattle being abused?

It almost seems like it is inevitable that when people have total control over an animal wether human or another species abuse will occur.

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