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People on this site don't seem to promote exercise much

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 13, 2013 at 5:59 PM

I actually got downvoted for telling someone they should work out to improve insulin sensitivity. i get that diet is important and fuel for your body, but do people on this site hate exercise?!

EDIT: Is the importance of exercise under emphasized on PaleoHacks or in paleo circles in general?

C4deaa6bb01626b4569e8992890381ab

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on January 16, 2013
at 12:33 AM

@Ttephen & Tal, maybe you guys respond better to excercise due to the both of you being young? I'm only 34 myself but that is 6 years more eating shit than yourself Tal, & 12 years more than you stephen. My personal experience going primal was, losing 12.7kg without changing my exercise regime, in fact i wasn't very active at all. I put it down to the fact that my diet was so bad before beforehand, when i took the leap it had a massive positive effect on my life. Im not saying everyone will be able to do this, i'm just pointing out that it can be done in some circumstances.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 14, 2013
at 02:26 AM

Look matt you can play devils advocate all day, but the truth is we're mostly speaking in generalizations here. Exercise is defined as physical activity and physical activity is going to be necessary for health period. I agree with tal in that we really need to separate exercise from gym memberships, they really aren't the same thing. After that it really just comes down to which activities/exercises will produce the best results for a given person.

32be195157f00ad15a933b8bb333dcc4

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on January 14, 2013
at 01:57 AM

I am not saying that exercise should be avoided or not thought about. From my experience, and the people I've talked to, fixing diet is the most important thing to being healthy. I used to try to use exercise as the answer to my weight and health. I exercised more and more and got fatter. For me, I was always able to eat more than I worked out. Once I started focusing on the food I was eating, I lost weight, gained happiness, had time to spend building friendships, and life was much better. I still try to exercise, but I focus on diet as it's my struggle. Not saying exercise isn't important!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on January 14, 2013
at 01:39 AM

All exercise is activity, but not all activity is exercise.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 14, 2013
at 01:24 AM

There could be** basically what I'm saying dude is that higher intensity exercises clearly have a benefit, I provided a few study results above. And I mean, people who are unhealthy, obese, etc might be less likely to go out, to plant their own food, to go for walks etc. it could just be that healthy people tend towards being physically active. Also if we compared walking and gardening with HIIT and resistance training I'm confident I know which one would improve people's health faster and to a greater degree.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 14, 2013
at 01:10 AM

A great place to start. But seventh day Adventists are mostly vegetarian and have freaking fantastic health. This doesn't mean being vegetarian is th cause. Greene could be any number of third variable problems like that people in better health tend to be more physically active. The Harvard nurses who took estrogen for example.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 14, 2013
at 01:08 AM

I can't automatically write off epidemiological studies but if I have clinical studies to back up my pov and you only have epidemiological guides to back yours then the burden of proof is on you IMHO. Please don't think I'm saying being physically active isn't good, I'm not saying that, it might be fine, idk I haven't seen convincing studies. What I do know is what the effects of HIIT, or intense physical activity along with weight resistance training has on people. As I said, if you wish to prove something else the burden is on you to produce clinical studies, epidemiological studies are cont

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 14, 2013
at 01:02 AM

Obviously, because here I was thinking that exercise was an **activity** requiring physical effort carried out especially to sustain or improve health And fitness. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Define%3Aexercise . Clearly you need to notify google their dictionary is wrong...

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on January 14, 2013
at 01:01 AM

Yes, and those who maintain a well-above-zero level of activity don't have issues to start with. You can't carte blanche write off epidemiological links between activity and longevity. By all means, tell us why such a link might be incorrect.

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

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on January 13, 2013
at 11:16 PM

Therre is a saying that health is 80% diet and 20% everything else, but in my experience it is 80% exercise and 20% diet.

089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

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on January 13, 2013
at 11:05 PM

stephen, you obviously don't know the definition of exercise. i haven't exercised in years, but i do a lot of physical activity.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 13, 2013
at 10:32 PM

Matt, I appreciate your pov, however, gardening/walking/etc being a part of every long lived culture is strictly epidemological evidence. HIIT improves a plethora of health markers such as insulin sensitivity, vo2 max, body recomposition(more muscle less fat) consistently in clinical settings. http://pcosinfo.wordpress.com/news-research/hiit/ , http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-iranian-hiit-solution-three-200m.html?m=1 . If you've read my hands down 1,2 then you know how insulin sensitivity is strictly correlated with a plethora of health issues along with all cause mortality.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on January 13, 2013
at 10:04 PM

@Roth: agreed. Activity and diet are important. Exercise, be it HIIT, SS cardio, or weight lifting, can be activity, but not key.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on January 13, 2013
at 10:01 PM

+1 for recognising activity, not exercise, is key.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on January 13, 2013
at 10:00 PM

It comes down to activity versus exercise. I haven't seen a lot of support for exercise being key to good health and longevity. Activity on the other hand: gardening, walking, etc... is again and again a key cornerstone in every long-lived culture.

E9140ef0ca0a76ea14b9ebccad234608

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on January 13, 2013
at 09:42 PM

thats the problem with alot of people, they equate exercise to gym memberships, clubs, etc.. its all overmarketed over hyped.. no gym or equipment needed imo, a simple yoga mat in my living room and Time and ill exhaust myself and workout muscles i didnt know existed! but to say exercise is unnatural is a little strange to me.. :)

E9140ef0ca0a76ea14b9ebccad234608

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on January 13, 2013
at 09:40 PM

^^^ becoming physically active and exercising in addition to my holistic routine ive had for over 8 years has changed me entirely in ways a diet change never could

E9140ef0ca0a76ea14b9ebccad234608

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on January 13, 2013
at 09:39 PM

@ roth, what stephen said ^^

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 13, 2013
at 07:44 PM

From the studies I've read exercise seems to have a bigger effect than diet on body recomposition.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 13, 2013
at 07:42 PM

Saying exercise isn't necessary at all for physical health is ludicrous..

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 13, 2013
at 07:40 PM

I strongly disagree that exercise is frosting on the cake.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 13, 2013
at 07:36 PM

@roth, changes in exercise have done more for my health issues than changes in diet.

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

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on January 13, 2013
at 06:59 PM

Changes in diet have done more for my health issues than changes in exercise habits.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on January 13, 2013
at 06:13 PM

Gave you a question, though not sure it's a legit question yet. Please justify and explain, or edit as you see fit.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on January 13, 2013
at 06:06 PM

If you disagree with someone's reason for downvoting you, ask them for clarification or express your disapproval in a comment on that answer. There's no reason to start an overly dramatic (and not-a-real) question accusing people on this site in general of hating exercise.

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on January 13, 2013
at 06:04 PM

not really a question there bud.

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32be195157f00ad15a933b8bb333dcc4

(379)

on January 13, 2013
at 06:10 PM

I think that is because exercise is icing on the cake. Previous understands had me doing an hour+ of elliptical every night. Combined with my processed carb centric diet, it was boring, caused me to have huge binge fests and other unhealthy relationships with food and wasn't a long term solution.

While there are nuances to exercise, the thought is that nailing nutrition is a lot more involved. The vast majority of people get that moving more is better. The questions about exercise tend to come related to nutrition for endurance athletes for whom low carb paleo seems to be difficult.

Exercise has a lot of benefits. People come here for nutrition and other sources for exercise generally.

E9140ef0ca0a76ea14b9ebccad234608

(615)

on January 13, 2013
at 09:40 PM

^^^ becoming physically active and exercising in addition to my holistic routine ive had for over 8 years has changed me entirely in ways a diet change never could

32be195157f00ad15a933b8bb333dcc4

(379)

on January 14, 2013
at 01:57 AM

I am not saying that exercise should be avoided or not thought about. From my experience, and the people I've talked to, fixing diet is the most important thing to being healthy. I used to try to use exercise as the answer to my weight and health. I exercised more and more and got fatter. For me, I was always able to eat more than I worked out. Once I started focusing on the food I was eating, I lost weight, gained happiness, had time to spend building friendships, and life was much better. I still try to exercise, but I focus on diet as it's my struggle. Not saying exercise isn't important!

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 13, 2013
at 07:40 PM

I strongly disagree that exercise is frosting on the cake.

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on January 13, 2013
at 11:16 PM

Therre is a saying that health is 80% diet and 20% everything else, but in my experience it is 80% exercise and 20% diet.

C4deaa6bb01626b4569e8992890381ab

(930)

on January 16, 2013
at 12:33 AM

@Ttephen & Tal, maybe you guys respond better to excercise due to the both of you being young? I'm only 34 myself but that is 6 years more eating shit than yourself Tal, & 12 years more than you stephen. My personal experience going primal was, losing 12.7kg without changing my exercise regime, in fact i wasn't very active at all. I put it down to the fact that my diet was so bad before beforehand, when i took the leap it had a massive positive effect on my life. Im not saying everyone will be able to do this, i'm just pointing out that it can be done in some circumstances.

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Eedf46c82d0356d1d46dda5f9782ef36

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on January 13, 2013
at 07:51 PM

Can't speak for anyone else - but I'm very active and highly recommend physical activity (not specifically "excercise", but activity) as a part of a good life.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on January 13, 2013
at 09:33 PM

This article (among others on Mark's site) has influenced how I look at exercise now, which is very different from what I was taught when I did my personal training certification:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/high-fat-diet-no-cardio-washboard-abs/#axzz2HtSNyucz

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B41cdb2253976ba9b429dd608d02c21f

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on January 13, 2013
at 06:52 PM

As a trainer, I feel that diet has far more influence on body composition and health than exercise. That said, exercise has it's place and I think everyone should participate in some kind of activity or they really can't be fully healthy.

My impression is that most people feel they have the exercise thing down...it's the diet stuff they need help with (hence far more questions about diet than exercise).

I know that didn't answer either of your questions...

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 13, 2013
at 07:44 PM

From the studies I've read exercise seems to have a bigger effect than diet on body recomposition.

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089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

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on January 13, 2013
at 06:40 PM

i think moving is important for physical health, but exercising isn't necessary at all. i ended all my gym memberships and don't go near exercise machines anymore. it's totally unnatural.

i've never seen a thread on here that HATES physical activity. i've noticed paleo followers tend to move more than most people.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 13, 2013
at 07:42 PM

Saying exercise isn't necessary at all for physical health is ludicrous..

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 14, 2013
at 01:02 AM

Obviously, because here I was thinking that exercise was an **activity** requiring physical effort carried out especially to sustain or improve health And fitness. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Define%3Aexercise . Clearly you need to notify google their dictionary is wrong...

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 14, 2013
at 02:26 AM

Look matt you can play devils advocate all day, but the truth is we're mostly speaking in generalizations here. Exercise is defined as physical activity and physical activity is going to be necessary for health period. I agree with tal in that we really need to separate exercise from gym memberships, they really aren't the same thing. After that it really just comes down to which activities/exercises will produce the best results for a given person.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on January 14, 2013
at 01:39 AM

All exercise is activity, but not all activity is exercise.

089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

(5635)

on January 13, 2013
at 11:05 PM

stephen, you obviously don't know the definition of exercise. i haven't exercised in years, but i do a lot of physical activity.

E9140ef0ca0a76ea14b9ebccad234608

(615)

on January 13, 2013
at 09:42 PM

thats the problem with alot of people, they equate exercise to gym memberships, clubs, etc.. its all overmarketed over hyped.. no gym or equipment needed imo, a simple yoga mat in my living room and Time and ill exhaust myself and workout muscles i didnt know existed! but to say exercise is unnatural is a little strange to me.. :)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on January 13, 2013
at 10:01 PM

+1 for recognising activity, not exercise, is key.

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Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 13, 2013
at 07:35 PM

I completely agree with you. My question about HIIT got closed and reopened and had some very controversial replies. It would've been an 8 point question but 6 people also downvoted it. I think many paleos are SERIOUSLY underestimating the importance of weight lifting + HIIT while simultaneously overestimating the benefits of diet alone.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 13, 2013
at 10:32 PM

Matt, I appreciate your pov, however, gardening/walking/etc being a part of every long lived culture is strictly epidemological evidence. HIIT improves a plethora of health markers such as insulin sensitivity, vo2 max, body recomposition(more muscle less fat) consistently in clinical settings. http://pcosinfo.wordpress.com/news-research/hiit/ , http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-iranian-hiit-solution-three-200m.html?m=1 . If you've read my hands down 1,2 then you know how insulin sensitivity is strictly correlated with a plethora of health issues along with all cause mortality.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 14, 2013
at 01:10 AM

A great place to start. But seventh day Adventists are mostly vegetarian and have freaking fantastic health. This doesn't mean being vegetarian is th cause. Greene could be any number of third variable problems like that people in better health tend to be more physically active. The Harvard nurses who took estrogen for example.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 14, 2013
at 01:24 AM

There could be** basically what I'm saying dude is that higher intensity exercises clearly have a benefit, I provided a few study results above. And I mean, people who are unhealthy, obese, etc might be less likely to go out, to plant their own food, to go for walks etc. it could just be that healthy people tend towards being physically active. Also if we compared walking and gardening with HIIT and resistance training I'm confident I know which one would improve people's health faster and to a greater degree.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 14, 2013
at 01:08 AM

I can't automatically write off epidemiological studies but if I have clinical studies to back up my pov and you only have epidemiological guides to back yours then the burden of proof is on you IMHO. Please don't think I'm saying being physically active isn't good, I'm not saying that, it might be fine, idk I haven't seen convincing studies. What I do know is what the effects of HIIT, or intense physical activity along with weight resistance training has on people. As I said, if you wish to prove something else the burden is on you to produce clinical studies, epidemiological studies are cont

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on January 13, 2013
at 10:00 PM

It comes down to activity versus exercise. I haven't seen a lot of support for exercise being key to good health and longevity. Activity on the other hand: gardening, walking, etc... is again and again a key cornerstone in every long-lived culture.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on January 14, 2013
at 01:01 AM

Yes, and those who maintain a well-above-zero level of activity don't have issues to start with. You can't carte blanche write off epidemiological links between activity and longevity. By all means, tell us why such a link might be incorrect.

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7a6529ea25b655132fe58d793f95547a

(2040)

on January 13, 2013
at 06:52 PM

I'm not sure if you got down voted for telling someone to exercise. Just elaborate a little bit, some folks don't understand the mechanism behind how lifting weights can improve muscular insulin sensitivity and help lose weight.

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Cbda678b2a6bf0537d8c4ea0ce8aa9ad

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on January 13, 2013
at 06:51 PM

Herding herds of mammoths with the group towards the enormously high cliff would take a lot of teamwork and stamina. It would sometimes take us hours of running, doubling back, protecting the flanks, etc. Then we'd gorge. Good times those.

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F0a9dea438e7943fa05da318773e785e

on January 13, 2013
at 06:22 PM

alright, now that there is a question, I'd say no. If you look at sites like Mark's Daily Apple, exercise is pretty clear cut. Paleo is a lifestyle, so there is a fitness component. Paleohacks is an open board where people can post and discuss as things pop up for them. IMHO, the dietary transition is somewhat of a challenge for many because it's not what people are used to with the Standard American Diet. Also there are many versions that people run into, so many questions emerge.

Physical activity is an easier component to add in once you find something you enjoy doing.

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