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Run-ins with creationists?

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Created August 03, 2011 at 3:43 PM

Has anyone ever encountered opposition to paleo on the basis of creationist beliefs? Just curious if there is ever backlash from people of the very literally religious persuasion.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on August 04, 2011
at 01:33 AM

I wouldn't have taken offense even without the passive-aggressive "no offense, but..." I know what you were getting at HeatherC. I'm not American. In most other first-world countries, creationism is laughed at and no one would consider it equally as valid or deserving of respect as an actual scientific theory. Obviously people can believe whatever they want. And other people can believe that those people are being ridiculous.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on August 04, 2011
at 01:19 AM

The idea that creationism is a valid hypothesis that deserves the same respect as any real scientific theory is one of the reasons why the American educational system is basically the laughingstock of other first world countries (and no, I'm not American.) Obviously people can believe whatever they want; I'm not going to go over to Christianchef's house and scream until he changes his mind. But not all beliefs and opinions are equally well-thought out and rational.

8be12378a6d810513f69643e21218998

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on August 04, 2011
at 12:11 AM

Paleo nutrition is a hypothesis we're all experimenting with, and the science as well as intuitive argument supporting it is based on the theory of evolution. When discussing an evolution-based concept with a creationist, they can dismiss your idea and it's hard to engage in an actual discussion. It's interesting to see that there are creationists among the paleo crowd who are simply satisfied with results; I guess that's the best counter-argument.

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on August 03, 2011
at 07:15 PM

Because I'm not trying to be offensive Karen, I'm giving her my opinion, not being hateful but I'm being honest. You see, it was a "respectful" way to preface my opinion to let her know I'm not trying to be mean but here is what I think. I mention her age because she has mentioned in other comments that she is a teenager, which has everything to do with tolerance of people and their differing opinions. I was a lot less tolerant when I was younger but as we age we find the world if full of a lot more gray area than black and white.

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:44 PM

Hey everyone, we've had a lot of these threads and we've closed them in the past.

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:42 PM

Also, I just came across this bible verse that reads pretty funny out of context: "the weak person eats only vegetables" Romans 14:2

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:30 PM

I cannot believe this question is still here. I feel like I am in a Big Brother experiment or something.

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:28 PM

How the hell is this question paleo??? Creationism? Really? When will Michelle Bachman get in on this?

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:27 PM

I cannot believe this question is still here. I feel like I am in a Big Brother experiement or something.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:24 PM

harms.20 It's really pretty easy if you are able to condense the earths timeline enough to overlap dinosaurs and humans. Of course that also means that agriculture started @ last Tuesday.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:21 PM

Why do people say "No offense" right before insulting someone? So what if Olivia is a certain age. It's easy to find people of all ages who would agree or disagree with her and be just as forceful. The comment would be better without the ageism.

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:21 PM

Very well said, +1

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:15 PM

harms.20 Creationist just shorten up the whole timeline of human development, so agriculture only started up last Tuesday.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:07 PM

No offense Olivia but your age is showing and you're going to have to work on tolerance imo. I was not raised with religion or baptized etc, I consider myself agnostic but I fully respect other people's rights to believe what they wish, just as I expect people to respect my rights. This is the premise of a free country and the only way it can work. We don't have to agree on everything but we have to respect each others right to our opinions. Unless you're not an American, in which case you should respect people just because that is the right thing to do.

24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:00 PM

ChefChristian- I totally get your contribution in the answers section but I'm going to play devil's advocate here; could one not take your first sentence and switch "evolutionists" for "creationists," and "little school teachers" for "sunday school teachers/clergy/parents?" Either way, it's a really broad generalization- I buy evolution over creationism because it makes more sense to me; I see evolution all around us. Creationism makes more sense to other people, but it wouldn't be fair of me to brush it off and say they're all just believing what they were told to believe.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 03, 2011
at 04:55 PM

If this question lasts, my next post will be "Why My God is more Paleo than yours"

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 03, 2011
at 04:50 PM

Not that my opinion means shit...faith is wonderful. But there's a reason it's called "faith".

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:46 PM

Olivia, what do you mean by "accept?" Getting bugged because someone else accepts an idea you reject is counterproductive to mental health, IMHO. Trying to argue someone out of their faith is not only pointless, it's meddling. I don't proselytize my diet, nor my paganistic agnosticism. Those are matters between me, my body, and my deities, such as they are (or are not). And I don't give a rip if someone else shares my ideas.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 03, 2011
at 04:43 PM

The existence of gravity is theory too. Guess I need to find a divine explanation for why my lard ass is isn't floating into outer space. BTW - Gravity is not just a good idea, it's the law!

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:39 PM

@chefchristian = "I just know that evolutionists are swallowing down what their little school teachers taught them without thinking about it or asking for any validity" that is backlash as a creationist. Period. Maybe you shouldn't have swallowed down what your little sunday school teacher taught you!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 03, 2011
at 04:36 PM

@ULH - I just looked up the "evidence" in the dictionary and it said see "faith"

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:36 PM

One could even have a creationist explanation for paleo: god designed our bodies to work best with certain foods, and designed those foods to work best with our bodies, and there's no need to mess with what's already perfectly planned out.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 03, 2011
at 04:35 PM

@ULH - I looked up the 'evidence' in the dictionary and it said see "faith"

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:35 PM

Wait, "Grok" didn't know anything about how the world works, so we should accept damaging anti-scientific nonsense like creationism?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 03, 2011
at 04:32 PM

@UncleLH - the evidence is that the Bible said so.

F52b51135f2c47eb46c986fdc9760b9b

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:30 PM

I guess it would depend a lot on when one believed the world was created. If you believe that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, then the whole 'eat like your pre-agriculture ancestors' idea might seem a little silly, because you wouldn't believe that there ever was a time when agriculture didn't exist.

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:30 PM

Remind me of the empirical evidence in favor of creationism?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:30 PM

I'm far from being a creationist, but I really like this answer, especially CC's point about better eating not being a matter of creation v. evolution. Besides, I'm pretty sure Grok was some sort of creationist, or at least not an atheist. ;)

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:23 PM

a creationist complaining about lack of critical thinking on the part of "evolutionists"? *headsplosion*

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 03, 2011
at 04:22 PM

Count to this question being shut down in 10, 9, 8....

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:21 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

8183de2bbd8341615fe99ac229adcd99

on August 03, 2011
at 04:21 PM

I don't give backlash as a creationist, I just know that evolutionists are swallowing down what their little school teachers taught them without thinking about it or asking for any validity. Paleo is about eating the way we did just after the flood. whether you are an evolutionist or creationist...whether you are calling it one era or another, it is the same diet.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:20 PM

The definition of the word "theory" in science is not the same as its definition in everyday language.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

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on August 03, 2011
at 03:59 PM

I am a creationist, and amazingly, I'm able to realize I should be eating real food rather than franken food.

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

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on August 03, 2011
at 03:46 PM

Probably shouldn't get on this topic. There are creationists in this forum, and there have been some hefty arguments regarding this subject.

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:16 PM

My sister asked me about my eating and I tried to explain it to her and before I could even begin she stopped me after I used the word evolution and told me she didn't believe in evolution. It was clear to me she shut down, so I didn't go into anymore detail. However, there are many creationists who can put that part aside to see the value of the way we eat.

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24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:17 PM

I haven't- I actually talk nutrition a lot with a lady in my office who is very religious; when I talk about my diet with her, I try not to get into the evolution stuff because I'm pretty sure she's a creationist, & I don't need to go there. Also seen quite a few folks on the internets that believe in creation and eat paleo, and that's great; I'm pretty sure I've read on Free the Animal that Richard is friends with Jimmy Moore, and they have some very different ideas about religion! I took an evolution class last spring, and was surprised to learn that most of my fellow students believe in creation- I thought it was really cool that they were interested in exploring it (I don't think it was required for at least most of them). For me, my success (and that of others) on paleo re-inforces my belief in evolution.

Whether evolutionist or creationist, we Paleohackers can all bond over our love of healthy eatin' :)

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:21 PM

Very well said, +1

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3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:41 PM

Honestly, I don't understand "run-ins" or "backlash" over Paleo eating. I rarely discuss the way I eat, and I don't worry about what it's called. In my own theoretical framework, I subscribe to the Darwinian evolutionary paradigm, and believe that the way I eat has a solid basis in our evolutionary history. But importantly, even if I discovered that it did not -- if it turned out, for instance that the 30BAD people are right (lololol), I would still eat this way. That's because my health has improved so spectacularly since walking down this road, that that's the only real evidence I require. Everything else is just a bunch of words.

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:18 PM

I am a Christian and believe in Creation, and we follow a Paleo diet. I don't care about all of the "millions of years ago" crap, I just know that this eating lifestyle is right for us. We feel great and perform better (CrossFit). I believe you should be eating real foods in their most natural form. Not chemically altered or messed with in any way. That just makes sense, regardless of your religious beliefs!

F52b51135f2c47eb46c986fdc9760b9b

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:36 PM

One could even have a creationist explanation for paleo: god designed our bodies to work best with certain foods, and designed those foods to work best with our bodies, and there's no need to mess with what's already perfectly planned out.

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:09 PM

I think agreeing to disagree is the only way to go in a situation like that. You will not be persuaded to their side and they will not be talked into yours - NO MATTER WHAT either of you say. So in my opinion that's a good place to end the conversation - especially if you still want to be friendly.

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Well,I am a creationist and I also see the benefits in eating Paleo/Primal. Just remember, better eating should not be a matter of creation vs. evolution...many of us creationists are educated and do have at least as much empirical evidence for what we know to be true. Evolution is, in fact, a theory. Better eating is not a theory.

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:30 PM

Remind me of the empirical evidence in favor of creationism?

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

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on August 03, 2011
at 07:15 PM

Because I'm not trying to be offensive Karen, I'm giving her my opinion, not being hateful but I'm being honest. You see, it was a "respectful" way to preface my opinion to let her know I'm not trying to be mean but here is what I think. I mention her age because she has mentioned in other comments that she is a teenager, which has everything to do with tolerance of people and their differing opinions. I was a lot less tolerant when I was younger but as we age we find the world if full of a lot more gray area than black and white.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:20 PM

The definition of the word "theory" in science is not the same as its definition in everyday language.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:46 PM

Olivia, what do you mean by "accept?" Getting bugged because someone else accepts an idea you reject is counterproductive to mental health, IMHO. Trying to argue someone out of their faith is not only pointless, it's meddling. I don't proselytize my diet, nor my paganistic agnosticism. Those are matters between me, my body, and my deities, such as they are (or are not). And I don't give a rip if someone else shares my ideas.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 03, 2011
at 04:43 PM

The existence of gravity is theory too. Guess I need to find a divine explanation for why my lard ass is isn't floating into outer space. BTW - Gravity is not just a good idea, it's the law!

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on August 04, 2011
at 01:19 AM

The idea that creationism is a valid hypothesis that deserves the same respect as any real scientific theory is one of the reasons why the American educational system is basically the laughingstock of other first world countries (and no, I'm not American.) Obviously people can believe whatever they want; I'm not going to go over to Christianchef's house and scream until he changes his mind. But not all beliefs and opinions are equally well-thought out and rational.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 03, 2011
at 04:36 PM

@ULH - I just looked up the "evidence" in the dictionary and it said see "faith"

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:21 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 03, 2011
at 04:50 PM

Not that my opinion means shit...faith is wonderful. But there's a reason it's called "faith".

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:07 PM

No offense Olivia but your age is showing and you're going to have to work on tolerance imo. I was not raised with religion or baptized etc, I consider myself agnostic but I fully respect other people's rights to believe what they wish, just as I expect people to respect my rights. This is the premise of a free country and the only way it can work. We don't have to agree on everything but we have to respect each others right to our opinions. Unless you're not an American, in which case you should respect people just because that is the right thing to do.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on August 04, 2011
at 01:33 AM

I wouldn't have taken offense even without the passive-aggressive "no offense, but..." I know what you were getting at HeatherC. I'm not American. In most other first-world countries, creationism is laughed at and no one would consider it equally as valid or deserving of respect as an actual scientific theory. Obviously people can believe whatever they want. And other people can believe that those people are being ridiculous.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:35 PM

Wait, "Grok" didn't know anything about how the world works, so we should accept damaging anti-scientific nonsense like creationism?

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:21 PM

Why do people say "No offense" right before insulting someone? So what if Olivia is a certain age. It's easy to find people of all ages who would agree or disagree with her and be just as forceful. The comment would be better without the ageism.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:30 PM

I'm far from being a creationist, but I really like this answer, especially CC's point about better eating not being a matter of creation v. evolution. Besides, I'm pretty sure Grok was some sort of creationist, or at least not an atheist. ;)

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 03, 2011
at 04:35 PM

@ULH - I looked up the 'evidence' in the dictionary and it said see "faith"

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 03, 2011
at 04:32 PM

@UncleLH - the evidence is that the Bible said so.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on August 03, 2011
at 04:11 PM

Remember that the whole "paleo man ate X and not Y and we haven't had time to properly adapt to Y to negate various detrimental effects, and we have evolved to be dependent upon eating X for optimal health" thing is only the basis for a hypothesis. It is a big ol' assumption and no more. Then we actually have to go look at the empirical evidence. Not exactly something creationists are accustomed to doing, but at least biochemistry and physiology don't conflict with their religion.

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:10 PM

Although I do believe in evolution I do not view what/how I eat as being tied to any Religious beliefs, it is just the most natural way to eat. I do not cater to man-created religious beliefs, I have my own views about the Universe, which to me, like my paleo lifestyle, is continuously evolving and changing.

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:39 PM

As a former literal 6 day creationist, I think the big difficulty whether it comes to "knowns" in healthy diets or bible understanding, is the willingness to revisit one's assumptions.

Assumptions for the creationist: the bible dictates a sequential timetable for the age of the earth, life, human race, etc. There should be charitable inquiry into the matter for any Christian who has adopted something like "the bible says it, I believe it, that settles it". My first suggestion for a creationist who is coming from this point of view is to take a significant amount of time reading journals and articles over at asa3.org. There they would find a wealth of knowledge and thoughtful writing by Christians who do not necessarily take on those same assumptions, and they are well argued. In particular they are taking seriously the consensus findings in many realms including human genomics, astronomy, archaeology, etc. There is not in fact a widespread conspiracy in the scientific community to discredit the first few chapters of Genesis, but there is a need to rethink how we read the text; what it actually implies and what it does not.

Another point to make is that even the likes of C.S. Lewis held to theistic evolution, as best I can tell. That's something for most evangelicals to consider.

Beyond that, most people no matter their theology will eventually see the sense in adopting foodways that are grounded in pre-modern tradition and predate the era of industrialized food commodities.

A2fe5bbd09c7804fd321e9e9a9f9d199

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:42 PM

Also, I just came across this bible verse that reads pretty funny out of context: "the weak person eats only vegetables" Romans 14:2

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on August 03, 2011
at 05:38 PM

"There can only be one consistent truth i.e. think about nutrition from an evolutionary perspective because knowledge is frail and wisdom is scarce." Patrik http://paleohacks.com/questions/55444/is-paleo-a-one-hit-wonder/55644#55644

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