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Anyone not give a damn about Paleo becoming mainstream?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 10, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Hey all,

Recently (and in the past too of course) I am seeing lots of interest in how Paleo is going to become the next big thing, how to make it hit the mainstream, How will we make it sustainable to the masses etc.

There are also lots of bloggers in this community as well who feel the need to spread their word on Paleo to the masses.

I understand people like to help others, but is anyone else like me are content for things to stay as they are? ie. have grass fed beef / offal as much as I want from the local markets at dirt cheap prices.. not ever to have to worry about meat availability/price soaring through the roof.. to stay unique and to feel like you are doing something above what society expects of you nutritionally (and loving it)..

For a society so unwilling to change it's ways, why do people get so upset and go to so much effort to get people they don't know to be 'paleo'? Why is it so exciting for you, to see Paleo adopted by the masses?

D1728f99db66ff91d695a6df5cd38b02

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on June 12, 2012
at 01:56 PM

hipster. You knew Paleo before it Never became mainstream.

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

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on June 12, 2012
at 12:57 AM

@Warren D, I'm talking about people who are already alive. Are you saying it would be a net positive to kill people who are already here?

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

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on June 11, 2012
at 06:50 PM

Look at organic as an example. Society's interest in organic products has made life easier for me. The organic certification process may not be perfect (I don't know), but it is helpful to me as a consumer. If mass market really adopted a paleo mindset, it would force standards/certification and most importantly transparency in labeling/ingredients/nutrition facts/etc. I'm fine with companies making whatever they think I want to buy as long as I can read the label and know what I'm getting.

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

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on June 11, 2012
at 06:49 PM

Look at organic as an example. Society's interest in organic products has made life easier for me. The organic certification process may not be perfect (I don't know), but it is helpful to me as a consumer. If mass consumer's really adopted a paleo mindset, it would force standards/certification and most importantly transparency in labeling/ingredients/nutrition facts/etc. I'm fine with companies making whatever they think I want to buy as long as I can read the label and know what I'm getting.

F9638b939a6f85d67f60065677193cad

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on June 11, 2012
at 06:19 PM

I don't think it would make life easier at all. It would instead lull you into a false sense of security. You might start to think you don't have to read labels anymore. Companies would engineer all kinds of paleo temptations. You'd have to be even more vigilant than before because the only way make food cheap, tempting and profitable is to cut corners and declare as paleo things that are not. In the end, you'll still be eating the same old natural, paleo stuff anyway, but navigating a more treacherous road to get to it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 11, 2012
at 05:43 PM

I had never noticed

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 11, 2012
at 05:39 PM

How is even more people, a net positive when there are already too many people as it is?

980a08fc871f83f803191278d1a8c3c3

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on June 11, 2012
at 05:33 AM

foreveryoung, you have a knack for saying sensible things and I like it.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

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on June 11, 2012
at 03:00 AM

"is anyone else like me are content for things to stay as they are?" "For a society so unwilling to change it's ways..." Think about how these two phrases are ironically related for a moment.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on June 11, 2012
at 12:53 AM

I cringe at the thought of "Paleo Doritos".

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on June 11, 2012
at 12:52 AM

It's all your fault Mel! You are the one the hipsters get all their info from. And I can't think of anyone more totally hipster than you!

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on June 11, 2012
at 12:21 AM

If you could care less, then why don't you?

2fd93e91bb14e641a2bac9c6033e84e2

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on June 10, 2012
at 11:57 PM

So... you do give a damn, i.e. DON'T want it to go mainstream.

Ddfdaa75ac9f47e01fc71162dd0d38dc

on June 10, 2012
at 07:58 PM

Agreed! 3 years ago before the advent of "nose to tail" I could get sweetbreads in the Bay Area for $3 a pound. Now, $11.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on June 10, 2012
at 04:43 PM

Firestorm~ First of all, congrats on your wonderful fat loss! I agree that this may not be true for everyone, but given that these are MY sisters & we share both genes and upbringing, I think I am pretty safe in my statement. I also know what happened to my Mom's body when she went on a whole foods Atkins diet 20 years ago. None of my sisters has more than 100 pounds to lose.

Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

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on June 10, 2012
at 04:31 PM

"My sisters would all cease to be clinically obese." I just had to comment on this, because I've been paleo for 3 years now, and I'm -still- considered "clinically obese" and may always -be- "clinically obese". I am a lot lighter than I was 3 years ago (by about 175 lbs!!), but I'd have to lose another 150 lbs to get into the realm of "overweight", and another 175 lbs to get down to a weight that the charts say is "normal" -- Paleo has made me healthier, but it hasn't cured everything going on with me, and I think that's one of the biggest fallacies to overcome about this way of life.

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on June 10, 2012
at 04:08 PM

I dont believe the mass of the population will ever conform to another diet than the one they already are so habitually ingrained in. It is simply not the way of society. The same with veganism, vegetarianism, or any other "fad" diet before paleo. Because of this, I don't spend too much time trying to "convert" anyone or even talk about why I am primal unless I am directly asked. I know that a mass change can never occur. instead i focus on what I can do for myself - how to add liver to my diet, how to make my first bone broth, new challenging WODs, how to cheat and enjoy life occasionaly :D

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

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on June 10, 2012
at 03:13 PM

The only cheap offal that's left is tripe and kidneys. I dislike kidneys, and tripe is a pain-in-the-ass to cook (and nutritionally, I don't think it offers much).

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

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on June 10, 2012
at 03:12 PM

+1 - this. Here in Tampa/St. Pete, even CAFO Oxtails and shank are going for $5/lbs(used to be $1.80/lbs). Organic liver is hitting $8/lbs. Even my cowshare jacked prices up almost $1/lbs. I wouldn't consider Tampa a hipster mecca either, so I can only imagine how bad it is in NYC or places like Colorado and San Fran.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on June 10, 2012
at 03:09 PM

Yes, definitely joking!

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

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on June 10, 2012
at 03:04 PM

I'm guessing you're mostly joking on the downside, but realistically increased demand for trails should eventually lead to more trails.

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on June 10, 2012
at 02:34 PM

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on June 10, 2012
at 02:53 PM

Why is it so exciting for you, to see Paleo adopted by the masses?

Let's see. If my family adopted a Paleo/Primal diet, then family get-togethers would be a lot more fun.

I wouldn't be expecting my family to get sick & slowly die of diabetes-related complications, a stroke or a heart attack.

My sisters would all cease to be clinically obese.

My nieces/nephews would grow up without broken metabolisms.

Health insurance rates would go down. Many nursing homes would close.

Once folk go Paleo, I notice that many start being concerned with food quality after awhile, so I expect the whole conventional agriculture/CAFO farming methods would gradually be replaced with more sustainable/humane methods of raising food (look up Polyface Farms.)

Food costs might go up, but healthcare costs would go down.

The downside: More fit folk on the trails, so we may have to go earlier in the morning to avoid the crowds.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on June 10, 2012
at 03:09 PM

Yes, definitely joking!

Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

(12540)

on June 10, 2012
at 04:31 PM

"My sisters would all cease to be clinically obese." I just had to comment on this, because I've been paleo for 3 years now, and I'm -still- considered "clinically obese" and may always -be- "clinically obese". I am a lot lighter than I was 3 years ago (by about 175 lbs!!), but I'd have to lose another 150 lbs to get into the realm of "overweight", and another 175 lbs to get down to a weight that the charts say is "normal" -- Paleo has made me healthier, but it hasn't cured everything going on with me, and I think that's one of the biggest fallacies to overcome about this way of life.

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on June 10, 2012
at 03:04 PM

I'm guessing you're mostly joking on the downside, but realistically increased demand for trails should eventually lead to more trails.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on June 10, 2012
at 04:43 PM

Firestorm~ First of all, congrats on your wonderful fat loss! I agree that this may not be true for everyone, but given that these are MY sisters & we share both genes and upbringing, I think I am pretty safe in my statement. I also know what happened to my Mom's body when she went on a whole foods Atkins diet 20 years ago. None of my sisters has more than 100 pounds to lose.

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Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on June 10, 2012
at 02:38 PM

It would make my life much easier. Better restaurant options. Less tempting engineered foods all over the place.

In theory, population would become healthier over time and would mean lower healthcare costs which we all share the burden of. Maybe also less chance of getting stuck next to someone on a plane who spills over into my seat.

F9638b939a6f85d67f60065677193cad

(4266)

on June 11, 2012
at 06:19 PM

I don't think it would make life easier at all. It would instead lull you into a false sense of security. You might start to think you don't have to read labels anymore. Companies would engineer all kinds of paleo temptations. You'd have to be even more vigilant than before because the only way make food cheap, tempting and profitable is to cut corners and declare as paleo things that are not. In the end, you'll still be eating the same old natural, paleo stuff anyway, but navigating a more treacherous road to get to it.

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on June 11, 2012
at 06:49 PM

Look at organic as an example. Society's interest in organic products has made life easier for me. The organic certification process may not be perfect (I don't know), but it is helpful to me as a consumer. If mass consumer's really adopted a paleo mindset, it would force standards/certification and most importantly transparency in labeling/ingredients/nutrition facts/etc. I'm fine with companies making whatever they think I want to buy as long as I can read the label and know what I'm getting.

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on June 11, 2012
at 06:50 PM

Look at organic as an example. Society's interest in organic products has made life easier for me. The organic certification process may not be perfect (I don't know), but it is helpful to me as a consumer. If mass market really adopted a paleo mindset, it would force standards/certification and most importantly transparency in labeling/ingredients/nutrition facts/etc. I'm fine with companies making whatever they think I want to buy as long as I can read the label and know what I'm getting.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 10, 2012
at 02:38 PM

Too late. Hipsters discovered offal some time ago and the offal price increases are slowly spreading outward from hip city centers.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on June 11, 2012
at 12:52 AM

It's all your fault Mel! You are the one the hipsters get all their info from. And I can't think of anyone more totally hipster than you!

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on June 10, 2012
at 03:13 PM

The only cheap offal that's left is tripe and kidneys. I dislike kidneys, and tripe is a pain-in-the-ass to cook (and nutritionally, I don't think it offers much).

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on June 10, 2012
at 03:12 PM

+1 - this. Here in Tampa/St. Pete, even CAFO Oxtails and shank are going for $5/lbs(used to be $1.80/lbs). Organic liver is hitting $8/lbs. Even my cowshare jacked prices up almost $1/lbs. I wouldn't consider Tampa a hipster mecca either, so I can only imagine how bad it is in NYC or places like Colorado and San Fran.

Ddfdaa75ac9f47e01fc71162dd0d38dc

on June 10, 2012
at 07:58 PM

Agreed! 3 years ago before the advent of "nose to tail" I could get sweetbreads in the Bay Area for $3 a pound. Now, $11.

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F9638b939a6f85d67f60065677193cad

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on June 10, 2012
at 04:57 PM

If paleo went mainstream the shelves would become filled with fake paleo food and the whole idea would become clouded with confusion. I have never found any dirt cheap grass-fed meat and if I did I would be suspicious of it. Most labels lie about what's inside and a label like "grass-fed" would be as easy to lie about as any other. I'm happy to just do the best I can, eat my paleo food and get on with my improved life.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on June 11, 2012
at 12:53 AM

I cringe at the thought of "Paleo Doritos".

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091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

on June 11, 2012
at 02:57 AM

We complain about the "culture of obesity" in America and how everyone out there is slowly killing themselves, and now we complain when a healthy way of eating is catching on and may actually solve those problem?

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on June 10, 2012
at 09:41 PM

"to stay unique and to feel like you are doing something above what society expects of you nutritionally (and loving it).."

You will go a lot further in life if you give up defining yourself by the food that you eat.

ALso, it looks like you can brush up on your economics 101. When demand for a product increases, in the short run it is true that price will rise because there is insufficient supply to meet this new demand. This will bid up the price. However, in the the medium/longer run the higher than average returns in, for example, grass fed beef, attract more producers and entrepreneurs to the field. This will result in an increased supply, and the price will then return to normal levels. Additionally, over the longer haul, entrepreneurs will take note, innovate, and reduce the price further.

p.s. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke

980a08fc871f83f803191278d1a8c3c3

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on June 11, 2012
at 05:33 AM

foreveryoung, you have a knack for saying sensible things and I like it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 11, 2012
at 05:43 PM

I had never noticed

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6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

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on June 10, 2012
at 04:50 PM

@PaleoMouth,

Let me summarize the advantages that you claim under the status quo:

  1. a variety of healthy foods available to you at low prices
  2. you have status as a unique and hip person

Now, let's see what happens when paleo goes mainstream:

  1. Markets adjust due to supply and demand. Initially, some foods become more scarce and expensive, but eventually more suppliers respond to consumer demand, and once again variety and prices improve.

  2. Since you are an innovator and a leader, certainly it should not surprise you that others will follow and imitate your lifestyle. Once upon a time, few people had body piercings and tattoos. Now "everyone" has them to express their "individuality." You can express your uniqueness as a leader by staying ahead of the curve with the "next thing."

So, the net result is that you will still be unique and well-fed, a neutral result for you. But millions of people will be better off by being spared from untimely death and disability, a net positive for the world.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 11, 2012
at 05:39 PM

How is even more people, a net positive when there are already too many people as it is?

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

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on June 12, 2012
at 12:57 AM

@Warren D, I'm talking about people who are already alive. Are you saying it would be a net positive to kill people who are already here?

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Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

on June 10, 2012
at 05:26 PM

There are definitely other things that I am more concerned about going mainstream: equal rights, living wage increases, an end to corporate control of government, the need for seperation of church and state. Access to quality food, that is nutritious and affordable is important, though.

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5cd8441bd01fc10816085bfc092477c4

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on June 10, 2012
at 09:21 PM

Here is what will happen: Paleo will become popular for quite some time, mainly because it appeals to people who want to eat alot of meat and fat (they won't pay attention to the "good fat" part or the veggie part). Some people will lose weight, some people won't, some people will keep it up, some people won't. In a couple of years it will fall out of the limelight leaving some people with a changed way of life for the duration of their lives and some people will go back to whatever they were before (SAD, vegetarian, whatever). I've seen it in every kind of "diet" cycle in my lifetime starting with the "no-white" diet in the 70s thru Atkins in the 90s That said, I am sincerely hoping that the popularity of this WOE will help many people stop eating all the processed crap that masquerades as food these days, and start getting out and MOVING. Otherwise the USA is going to be crippled by the demands of a public that is sick due to their dietary choices and can't afford healthcare.

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on June 10, 2012
at 05:17 PM

I don't know about others but for me personally I enjoy helping people. The reason there is so much suffering and the reason why people eat so badly is not because people do not care it is because there is a system which manipulates them into it.

I personally decided to eat "healthy" after I graduated college. Limited fast food lots of "Healthy Whole Grains", low fat the whole usual spreal. That was one of the worst times of my life. It is only because I have been brought up to be cynical and only through a lucky google search after a LOT of wading through bad information that I stumbled upon Marksdailyapple.com and paleo.

Most people aren't like me and won't get lucky. They will keep killing themselves following the USDA recommendations and the constant barrage of "health foods" (look at how many vitamins these cookies have!).

I don't believe the health crisis is the fault of the people themselves but of the system that manipulates them into making bad choices. I try to do my part to counteract that system.

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68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

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on June 10, 2012
at 05:16 PM

I could care less. I want people to become healthier and happier. Those who don't, won't. Evolution will play out eventually :)

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on June 11, 2012
at 12:21 AM

If you could care less, then why don't you?

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F0a3e3f17d9a740810ac37ff2353a9f3

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on June 10, 2012
at 03:27 PM

I don't care personally, but my livelihood doesn't depend on it.

Money changes everything.

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on June 10, 2012
at 02:45 PM

If I just consider myself and my family I absolutely understand your way of thinking as far as availability and affordability of our pastured meats etc. However, as a society we are very sick and masses of sick people cost massive amounts of money to everyone. In taxes, in healthcare costs etc. So, I think it would benefit society as a whole to try and steer people to a paleo way of eating. I really do not see this happening though, at least not anytime soon. The US Gov't has way too much pull in our food systems and big Ag has too much power in the decisions made in farming. They are not in the business of keeping people healthy, they are in the business of making profits.

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65bf1ca7071028018c6d8305d0ddcd76

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on June 11, 2012
at 02:15 AM

This is my cheeky philosophical response: No one gets very far in life propping themselves on the shoulders of others (ie practicing behavior that they deem is superior, achieving good results from it and not encouraging others.) this kind of behavior might get you ahead for awhile, but society will figure out your game, be it professional, political or nutritional. When you're found out, you are tha a$$hole that greedily filled his coffer (with money, political favors or offal) while allowing others to flounder while you thrive. Where do you draw the line? With friends, family? At what point does the line blur so much that everyone is your enemy... And then you die alone.

I'm not saying this is your attitude, but I can say with certainty I've never regretted sharing anything, even when there is a cost to me that I hadn't anticipated.

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