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Is atrozine estrogenizing us?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 27, 2012 at 5:26 AM

The United States, at least, seems to have an estrogen problem. Estrogen-related pathology is elevated compared even to other developing countries, estrogenoids are in our food supply in the form of soy, and our consumer products supply in the form of various coatings for plastics (e.g. bisphenol A).

What do y'all think about this article relating a ubiquitous chemical pesticide to sex hormone pathology in amphibians (sneak peek: it increases aromatase synthesis)?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2011/11/tyrone-hayes-atrazine-syngenta-feud-frog-endangered?page=1

It's not new stuff; as the article points out, the research has been around and well-published for years. But the story is so well-told that it's really accessible and enjoyable to read. It's in Mother Jones, which has its own political agenda, but it's beautifully written regardless of that fact, and the science is good.

Anyone dig deep into the research or the links and discover something personally relevant?

EDIT: Part of my point in posting this question is that I think this is a pretty diverse community of folks, most of whom would take a serious interest in something like this. If I'm right, then it would broaden the coalition of scientists and others who think of it as a major health issue.

Can the paleo/primal/ancestral community help politicize this issue in a way that would make it actionable? Is that a desirable result?

I'm also interested to hear the thoughts of the docs here on PH, physician and PhD alike.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on May 30, 2012
at 05:48 PM

Sorry, my comment was directed towards the findings that that journal entry presented. I am furious at the existence of this issue.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on May 28, 2012
at 08:10 AM

Jenny J ~ More likely that your hormones got into balance, unless you are having other (negative) symptoms. At your age, breast growth is not abnormal.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on May 28, 2012
at 08:04 AM

interrobung~ The Organic Consumers Association is a good place to start:http://organicconsumers.org/monsanto/index.cfm

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on May 28, 2012
at 04:28 AM

Holy, I was told I have an estrogen dominance because my boobs went up two sizes when I changed my diet- is that related to xenoestrogens do you think? I didn't think it was a bad thing, but now I'm a little freaked!

8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

(1867)

on May 28, 2012
at 02:43 AM

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Be it PCOS, thyroid dysfunction, gynecomastia, insulin insensitivity, atherosclerosis, or a host of others, they all have links to estrogen imbalance. It affects males just as insidiously as females. And with atrozine used in greater quantities than even Roundup(TM), this is something that I thought folks would sink their teeth into. But what's the solution? Writing our representatives? Signing a petition? Most of us are already voting against it with our dollars by not buying corn, but that seems insufficient.

60af23519906aa54b742ffc17477c3d3

(1186)

on May 27, 2012
at 10:06 PM

My comment does? It isn't intended to cause problems, just inquiring minds. Nothing wrong with testing. Studies are needed in order for any changes to be made. If we don't know it's happening, how can we hope to stop it?

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on May 27, 2012
at 08:55 PM

As a 20yr old male who has experienced the problems of low t, this makes me furious.

8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

(1867)

on May 27, 2012
at 05:04 PM

Unsurprisingly, given the talk is by the same dude who's done the research, and who is the subject of the original article c:

Dd74e6399ae697d8603dc9aa74fbafae

(695)

on May 27, 2012
at 08:49 AM

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/92/1/196/F1.expansion.html Here is a chart that illustrates the dramatic drop in T-levels since the late 80's. Testosterone levels has been decreasing way before then aswell.

956bcad1d462d433a4e1e22f6e3355d5

(1191)

on May 27, 2012
at 06:46 AM

Rather a crash if you ask me

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on May 27, 2012
at 07:48 AM

8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

(1867)

on May 27, 2012
at 05:04 PM

Unsurprisingly, given the talk is by the same dude who's done the research, and who is the subject of the original article c:

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on May 28, 2012
at 01:26 AM

It's a HUGE problem.

So many sources of xenoestrogens... I talk about them in my blog post on Optimum Fertility.

Half of my female nutrition clients are suffering from some form of estrogen dominance, due in part to malnutrition (caused by a crap diet & gut dysbiosis) and in part to xenoestrogens. Estrogen dominance affects fertility and appears to be responsible for many of the so-called "normal" menopausal symptoms.

I've had success with fertility clients by having them eliminate as many xenoestrogens as they can from their home environment, optimizing their Vitamin D levels & making some dietary tweaks.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on May 28, 2012
at 08:04 AM

interrobung~ The Organic Consumers Association is a good place to start:http://organicconsumers.org/monsanto/index.cfm

8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

(1867)

on May 28, 2012
at 02:43 AM

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Be it PCOS, thyroid dysfunction, gynecomastia, insulin insensitivity, atherosclerosis, or a host of others, they all have links to estrogen imbalance. It affects males just as insidiously as females. And with atrozine used in greater quantities than even Roundup(TM), this is something that I thought folks would sink their teeth into. But what's the solution? Writing our representatives? Signing a petition? Most of us are already voting against it with our dollars by not buying corn, but that seems insufficient.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on May 28, 2012
at 04:28 AM

Holy, I was told I have an estrogen dominance because my boobs went up two sizes when I changed my diet- is that related to xenoestrogens do you think? I didn't think it was a bad thing, but now I'm a little freaked!

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on May 28, 2012
at 08:10 AM

Jenny J ~ More likely that your hormones got into balance, unless you are having other (negative) symptoms. At your age, breast growth is not abnormal.

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60af23519906aa54b742ffc17477c3d3

(1186)

on May 27, 2012
at 06:09 AM

I wonder what would happen if we tested all the men's testosterone levels comparatively through generations. Would we see a dip?

Dd74e6399ae697d8603dc9aa74fbafae

(695)

on May 27, 2012
at 08:49 AM

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/92/1/196/F1.expansion.html Here is a chart that illustrates the dramatic drop in T-levels since the late 80's. Testosterone levels has been decreasing way before then aswell.

956bcad1d462d433a4e1e22f6e3355d5

(1191)

on May 27, 2012
at 06:46 AM

Rather a crash if you ask me

60af23519906aa54b742ffc17477c3d3

(1186)

on May 27, 2012
at 10:06 PM

My comment does? It isn't intended to cause problems, just inquiring minds. Nothing wrong with testing. Studies are needed in order for any changes to be made. If we don't know it's happening, how can we hope to stop it?

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on May 27, 2012
at 08:55 PM

As a 20yr old male who has experienced the problems of low t, this makes me furious.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on May 30, 2012
at 05:48 PM

Sorry, my comment was directed towards the findings that that journal entry presented. I am furious at the existence of this issue.

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