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Strict raw veganism for a month to help with my energy problem?

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Created January 24, 2013 at 2:53 AM

I've been on a strict paleo diet for 4 months, and the only thing it has really helped with is I don't get light headed now that I don't eat dairy or gluten. The problem is, I don't really have energy. Paleo just makes perfect sense to me, so I searched high and low on the internet, and came up with a few things to try- One was to add some more carbs to my diet- that helped with low blood pressure, but still no increased energy. Really, I'm losing faith.

So I thought back to before paleo, and I remember going raw vegan for a couple months in high school. My skin cleared up, my PSM symptoms went away, I had SO MUCH ENERGY!!!! I didn't even have to sleep as long!

So, is it totally crazy to think about doing it again, for a little while to get my energy back? Kind of like a detox? I know that its impossible to sustain it for long term, and its not healthy to try. Also, I like my meat and cooked food, but I'm desperate here!

Any suggestions are welcome.

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on January 25, 2013
at 05:15 AM

Or you could let a cow stand around all day and assimilate all that barely digestible soya and grass protein with their seven stomachs that humans don't have and kill that cow and eat it using the opposable thumbs and large, calculating brain that humans DO have.

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on January 24, 2013
at 11:03 PM

+1 - Adding in fruits and starches always gives me more energy, I agree you don't have to boot out all meats.

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on January 24, 2013
at 10:44 PM

Here is an interesting article from MDA regarding Denise Minger's rather vegetarian diet. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread60919.html ithink alot of the responses there are well measured. Its a little weird hearing a blogger's diet get ripped in public but that's the price of paleo celebrity... Her critique of the China Study is famous http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/ but she is an equal opportunity critique taking on the Paleo Revisionist History of Ancel Keys

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on January 24, 2013
at 09:13 PM

While you're testing stuff, test TSH too. Natural practitioners mention that they rarely see healthy people with TSH higher than 2.

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on January 24, 2013
at 07:04 PM

also eat cooked mushrooms as they're a great source of vitamin d

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on January 24, 2013
at 03:27 PM

But veganism does away with ALL animal products, including eggs and gelatin from bones.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on January 24, 2013
at 03:26 PM

Maybe you need some starch.

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on January 24, 2013
at 02:36 PM

In the meantime, start supplementing 8,000 IUs of D3 in an oil base.

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on January 24, 2013
at 02:36 PM

Go to the www.vitamindcouncil.org site &order a D3 test kit.

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on January 24, 2013
at 04:47 AM

Like I said before- if would only be for a short time! I'm sure there were times when cavemen went awhile without meat for whatever reason. And I am willing to do something else if theres anything else I can do, but I just remember being soooo energetic. I ate fruit and veggie and nuts and seeds, all raw, and I also did coconut oil and olive oil. Maybe it was a fluke!

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on January 24, 2013
at 04:43 AM

I considered a Vit D deficiency because I live in Edmonton, and its Sooo cold in the winter that I don't get outside for ANYTHING lol. But I don't have a family doctor so I've not gotten bloodwork.

A19808eb723793b6c0dc40c773d8e9bb

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on January 24, 2013
at 03:58 AM

Breakfast- bacon and 2 eggs Lunch- spinach salad with lots of veggies and an avocado, with some chicken thigh and olive oil Snack- apple, banana and almond butter Dinner- sauted veggies with butter, 1/2 avocado, some sort of meat. snack somewhere in the day if I need it- smoothie with veggies, berries and coconut oil. I don't have time to eat more for lunch, so that's why I snack (I have about a 10 min lunch at work, and I don't eat fast. Its pretty unfair but whatever,)

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on January 24, 2013
at 03:48 AM

Well, what do you usually eat? Hard to guess what might be the issue without knowing what your current food intake is like...Are you getting enough food overall?

A19808eb723793b6c0dc40c773d8e9bb

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on January 24, 2013
at 03:44 AM

Thats not it- I looove salt. No lack of salt in my diet.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on January 24, 2013
at 03:41 AM

That could also have been affecting your blood pressure!

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on January 24, 2013
at 03:40 AM

Honestly, this could be as simple as you not getting enough salt/sodium. Fairly common on strict paleo unless you're making it a point to salt your food.

A19808eb723793b6c0dc40c773d8e9bb

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on January 24, 2013
at 03:37 AM

Yeah, I wouldn't go it for long though, and really I don't want to either, but I'm not sure what else to do!

A19808eb723793b6c0dc40c773d8e9bb

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on January 24, 2013
at 03:32 AM

Well I don't have any other symptoms of thyroid problems so I don't see that being the problem..

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on January 24, 2013
at 03:12 AM

Veganism gives you a ton of energy till you burn out your adrenals and get super f*ed. That's my understanding at least.

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on January 24, 2013
at 07:03 PM

Just go atleast 80% raw and keep enjoying your cooked meats and eggs. It's the ideal diet. I also recommend eating cultured saurkraut before your meats to improve digestino so your body doesn't exhaust it's energy reserves. Also if you want to reach the pinnacle of your potential for energy, start running short sprints 1-3 times a week and that should do it. Also cultured pickles and beets are so good when you season them with herbs.

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on January 24, 2013
at 07:04 PM

also eat cooked mushrooms as they're a great source of vitamin d

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on January 24, 2013
at 02:43 PM

Yes, it's crazy. You will end up even more nutrient-depleted.

You look like you need more protein & micronutrients from what you wrote.

Eat more red meat.

Get your D3 level tested. Www.vitamindcouncil.org for a test kit. $70 US. Supplement with 8,000 IUs in the meantime.

Eat some liver p??t?? for iron/VitaminA/B vitamins.

Get some bone broth in you!

And eat some fermented foods. If your gut health is compromised, you won't be absorbing the good food you are eating!

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

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on January 24, 2013
at 09:13 PM

While you're testing stuff, test TSH too. Natural practitioners mention that they rarely see healthy people with TSH higher than 2.

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on January 24, 2013
at 10:55 PM

Eat more red meat than you think you can stand.
Eat coconut oil too, unless you start getting fat. Eat sweet potatoes to satiety at the evening meal. Eat liver and organ meats. Eat more. Exercise more, heavy lifting especially. Eat more salt. Take vitamins D3 10,000IU,K2,B-50 complex Take minerals magnesium 4-1000mg,selenium, zinc, copper, manganese Take 15g liquid fish oil

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on January 24, 2013
at 02:10 PM

If the increase in raw veggies gives you lots of energy then increase them. I don't see why you need to cut all meat completely though... You don't have to choose one or the other. Why not eat raw fruits and veggies plus some meat and see how you feel. I do well with a high plant, low animal diet but I don't cut meat out completely. I think you could rat raw vegan plus a serving or two of meat a day and see how you feel.

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

(4642)

on January 24, 2013
at 11:03 PM

+1 - Adding in fruits and starches always gives me more energy, I agree you don't have to boot out all meats.

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De92ce2f7fe9ab4cc788c80715055792

on January 24, 2013
at 04:22 AM

Im With Joanna. I would definitely run some labs first. That's not nearly as an invasive intervention as tweaking the diet and cutting out meat.... Hmm.. I guess that can't technically be considered invasive either though, Huh? Veganism just sounds too intuitively wrong to me and prolly most people here, but I suspect that is a grounded view based on my own Personal experience and bias which I will never be free from. I appreciate your open minded-ness however. I'm honestly surprised you don't feel much greater improvement on the Paleo Diet. Without that conversion experience I imagine its easier to second guess.

De92ce2f7fe9ab4cc788c80715055792

(10)

on January 24, 2013
at 10:44 PM

Here is an interesting article from MDA regarding Denise Minger's rather vegetarian diet. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread60919.html ithink alot of the responses there are well measured. Its a little weird hearing a blogger's diet get ripped in public but that's the price of paleo celebrity... Her critique of the China Study is famous http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/ but she is an equal opportunity critique taking on the Paleo Revisionist History of Ancel Keys

A19808eb723793b6c0dc40c773d8e9bb

(215)

on January 24, 2013
at 04:47 AM

Like I said before- if would only be for a short time! I'm sure there were times when cavemen went awhile without meat for whatever reason. And I am willing to do something else if theres anything else I can do, but I just remember being soooo energetic. I ate fruit and veggie and nuts and seeds, all raw, and I also did coconut oil and olive oil. Maybe it was a fluke!

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on January 24, 2013
at 03:27 PM

But veganism does away with ALL animal products, including eggs and gelatin from bones.

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on January 24, 2013
at 04:09 AM

have you had any recent bloodwork done to see if there could be a problem? this could indicate any nutritional deficiencies you might have.

A19808eb723793b6c0dc40c773d8e9bb

(215)

on January 24, 2013
at 04:43 AM

I considered a Vit D deficiency because I live in Edmonton, and its Sooo cold in the winter that I don't get outside for ANYTHING lol. But I don't have a family doctor so I've not gotten bloodwork.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on January 24, 2013
at 02:36 PM

Go to the www.vitamindcouncil.org site &order a D3 test kit.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on January 24, 2013
at 02:36 PM

In the meantime, start supplementing 8,000 IUs of D3 in an oil base.

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4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

(744)

on January 24, 2013
at 03:15 AM

I think it's a bad idea. At least make sure you don't eat raw cabbage or the vegetables which interfere with thyroid function if eaten raw. Google raw cabbage, thyroid, to start. If I wanted to have energy, I would try to improve thyroid function by having a diet with no significant sources of polyunsaturated fats.

I believe energy level is almost a synonym with thyroid function.

A19808eb723793b6c0dc40c773d8e9bb

(215)

on January 24, 2013
at 03:32 AM

Well I don't have any other symptoms of thyroid problems so I don't see that being the problem..

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on January 24, 2013
at 07:54 PM

I don't know if you have heard of upgraded coffee (a.k.a. bulletproof coffee), but it is low toxin coffee that gives you a cleaner effect than regular coffee and is of the highest quality. If you blend it with MCT oil, coconut oil, and grass-fed butter (or not if you don't do dairy) it gives your brain the omega 3's and good fats that it needs to function at high levels. I wrote a blog post about it here: http://bulletproofcoffee.wordpress.com/2013/01/23/my-experience-with-bulletproof-coffee/

If you can't drink coffee, try adding MCT oil (derived from organic coconut oil) in a raw juice/smoothie because having some of these good fats in the morning can really boost your energy and cognitive function all day! Even just using coconut oil to cook or putting some in a smoothie can help but the MCT oil is better and it has no flavor.

Another idea for you is an earthing mat, this may sound weird but grounding yourself can actually lower inflammation and increase energy. We don't really ground ourselves to the earth because of our rubber shoes, raised beds, floors, etc. prevent it. We are constantly bombarded with electrical signals like wifi, radio, bluetooth, cell phones and other electronic devices. The earthing mat is convenient but you try this for FREE by taking off your shoes and socks and walking around on the grass/dirt/sand for at least 20 minutes a day.

Hope that helps!

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on January 24, 2013
at 06:44 PM

If you make fresh fruit and veggie smoothies, you may want to add some Vegan Protein Powder.

Here is what i use. Vegan Protein

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on January 25, 2013
at 05:15 AM

Or you could let a cow stand around all day and assimilate all that barely digestible soya and grass protein with their seven stomachs that humans don't have and kill that cow and eat it using the opposable thumbs and large, calculating brain that humans DO have.

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