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Elimination diet -- is this reasonable?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created December 18, 2012 at 5:06 PM

I have decided to do an elimination diet after the holidays, to try pin down what foods are having which effects on my body. I have recurring but not constant: chest congestion, abdominal cramping, bloating and a flaky, sometimes bloody rash on my eyelids and cheeks. It's not dairy.

If I eliminate everything except pastured eggs, homemade grass-fed bison tallow and grass-fed liver, will this provide adequate nutrition for the 2-4 weeks of total elimination?

532cfd279d793e8fcc23b9f6d91dde5c

(1981)

on December 18, 2012
at 10:13 PM

I've gotten some really great information and guidance on how to do this more safely/healthily, thank you everyone for your input and for the resources to which you've directed me

532cfd279d793e8fcc23b9f6d91dde5c

(1981)

on December 18, 2012
at 10:11 PM

I have now seen this info re: eggs in all the links I've been directed to via this question, and it makes me sad. I think you're right, though, if I want to worry out possible food intolerances, it doesn't make sense to be consuming a likely allergen in the meantime. I'm happy enough to use lamb (cheap grass-fed available here), as suggested by Kashkillz and as recommended on various elimination protocols I've been pointed to. Thank you for your recommendations.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 09:32 PM

Furthermore, your stance is totalitarian... "Exception" completely disproves. Ninth grade logic.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 08:51 PM

The exception that proves the possibilities.

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

(435)

on December 18, 2012
at 08:47 PM

Well rather than sustainability, consider it less suffering :)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on December 18, 2012
at 08:13 PM

The exception that proves the rule, right?

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on December 18, 2012
at 08:08 PM

@Kashkillz, we will have to agree to disagree on every point you've made in this thread. Probably not worth the debate.

532cfd279d793e8fcc23b9f6d91dde5c

(1981)

on December 18, 2012
at 07:51 PM

I don't really need it to be sustainable, though, because I have no intention of sustaining it. I just want to know I'm going to be reasonably (not perfectly) well nourished for a few weeks before I start adding in other foods. I did read some of the whole9 site, though, and I appreciate you pointing me towards it. Thank you.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 07:14 PM

If you spend a little time educating yourselves outside of what you already believe you might learn a thing or two.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 07:09 PM

lol... pescetarian.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 07:09 PM

More fallacy... avoid the point. As far as Diaz's diet, most third party accounts have him peseta roan. I'll take his word otherwise, though. http://m.mma-core.com/videos/interviews/Nick_Diaz_talks_Triathalons_RawVegan_diet/10016144

532cfd279d793e8fcc23b9f6d91dde5c

(1981)

on December 18, 2012
at 06:57 PM

I do like lamb, but sweet potatoes give me tummy-bloat

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

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on December 18, 2012
at 06:56 PM

And "sports that are based almost entirely on nutrition" ??? MMA??? Really? Training? Athleticism? Will? None of those matter?

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

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on December 18, 2012
at 06:51 PM

Nick Diaz eats fish and eggs.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 06:45 PM

Lamb and sweet potato are probably your best bets. Commonly allergists prescribe lamb & white rice. These are statistically believed to be the least likely to trigger allergic response. Since you're avoiding rice (I assume) I'm just guessing sweet potato will work.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 06:36 PM

'It Starts With Food' is an amazing book. Even if you're not interested in the elimination diet, the information is extremely helpful for planning a well-rounded approach to Paleo.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 06:33 PM

The two people I mentioned are endurance athletes who are dominating their sports. Those are sports that are based almost entirely on nutrition. These 'failing' vegans are logical fallacy. It certainly takes more effort to optimize, but saying it can't be, or isn't, done is convenient, dogmatic disinformation.

532cfd279d793e8fcc23b9f6d91dde5c

(1981)

on December 18, 2012
at 06:33 PM

Thank you for the input, very helpful. It's not so much that I feel I need to be super-restrictive, but I like eggs/tallow/liver, I know I will be happy eating just that for a few weeks (I already eat eggs and tallow every day, and liver a couple of times a week), and when I eat a very simple and repetitive menu, I am much less tempted to binge (also an issue for me) and I just think about food less, and so have less anxiety.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on December 18, 2012
at 05:35 PM

Dogma, where? Vegans aren't falling over dead, but that speaks to the resiliency of the human body. Constant deprivation of essential nutrients and yet their bodies work for a long while... but more often than not, it fails. There's definitely a difference between sufficient nutrition and optimal nutrition. Vegans are nowhere near optimal.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 05:20 PM

LOL... the dogma's hilarious. Plenty vegans get proper nutrition. Why don't you challenge Rich Roll or Nick Diaz to an endurance contest?

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510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on December 18, 2012
at 05:12 PM

Even if it doesn't provide adequate nutrition for 2-4 weeks, you'll still survive. You don't need every nutrient every day. Just think how long vegetarians survive without adequate nutrition.

So if you want to go super restrictive, you'll be fine for a few weeks for experimentation. But a better plan is to go with Robb Wolf's autoimmune protocol, he's already figured out the things most likely to cause problems, so you can start there and don't have to limit yourself to 3 foods for a month.

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on December 18, 2012
at 06:51 PM

Nick Diaz eats fish and eggs.

532cfd279d793e8fcc23b9f6d91dde5c

(1981)

on December 18, 2012
at 06:33 PM

Thank you for the input, very helpful. It's not so much that I feel I need to be super-restrictive, but I like eggs/tallow/liver, I know I will be happy eating just that for a few weeks (I already eat eggs and tallow every day, and liver a couple of times a week), and when I eat a very simple and repetitive menu, I am much less tempted to binge (also an issue for me) and I just think about food less, and so have less anxiety.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 07:14 PM

If you spend a little time educating yourselves outside of what you already believe you might learn a thing or two.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 07:09 PM

lol... pescetarian.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 05:20 PM

LOL... the dogma's hilarious. Plenty vegans get proper nutrition. Why don't you challenge Rich Roll or Nick Diaz to an endurance contest?

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on December 18, 2012
at 06:56 PM

And "sports that are based almost entirely on nutrition" ??? MMA??? Really? Training? Athleticism? Will? None of those matter?

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 08:51 PM

The exception that proves the possibilities.

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on December 18, 2012
at 08:08 PM

@Kashkillz, we will have to agree to disagree on every point you've made in this thread. Probably not worth the debate.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on December 18, 2012
at 05:35 PM

Dogma, where? Vegans aren't falling over dead, but that speaks to the resiliency of the human body. Constant deprivation of essential nutrients and yet their bodies work for a long while... but more often than not, it fails. There's definitely a difference between sufficient nutrition and optimal nutrition. Vegans are nowhere near optimal.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on December 18, 2012
at 08:13 PM

The exception that proves the rule, right?

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 06:33 PM

The two people I mentioned are endurance athletes who are dominating their sports. Those are sports that are based almost entirely on nutrition. These 'failing' vegans are logical fallacy. It certainly takes more effort to optimize, but saying it can't be, or isn't, done is convenient, dogmatic disinformation.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 07:09 PM

More fallacy... avoid the point. As far as Diaz's diet, most third party accounts have him peseta roan. I'll take his word otherwise, though. http://m.mma-core.com/videos/interviews/Nick_Diaz_talks_Triathalons_RawVegan_diet/10016144

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 09:32 PM

Furthermore, your stance is totalitarian... "Exception" completely disproves. Ninth grade logic.

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E7e57f3e3a156df4072ca85d463f8ed3

(358)

on December 18, 2012
at 09:25 PM

I'd elimate the eggs, too, as they are among the top 10 food allergens. Then add them back first to see if they cause you any problems. I found eggs of chickens fed a lot of flax caused me to wheeze and have itchy eyelids. After 2 months without eggs I was able to add them back as long as I don't eat them every day and avoid eggs with flax & Omega3 claims.

Note that sometimes all you need to do is eliminate certain foods for a month or two. You can develop intolerances to foods you eat daily, but they may not need to be forever eliminated.

532cfd279d793e8fcc23b9f6d91dde5c

(1981)

on December 18, 2012
at 10:11 PM

I have now seen this info re: eggs in all the links I've been directed to via this question, and it makes me sad. I think you're right, though, if I want to worry out possible food intolerances, it doesn't make sense to be consuming a likely allergen in the meantime. I'm happy enough to use lamb (cheap grass-fed available here), as suggested by Kashkillz and as recommended on various elimination protocols I've been pointed to. Thank you for your recommendations.

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2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

(435)

on December 18, 2012
at 05:13 PM

That would provide decent nutrition but maybe not complete. That is also super restrictive and is going to be a rough ride. There are many other foods you can eat which are safe.

You should check out the Whole30 program. It's a complete elimination diet that is based on Paleo but is not nearly as restrictive as what you are planning. I think you'd be better off doing something with more options that's more sustainable, even though it is pretty restrictive.

whole9life.com

or they have a book called 'It Starts with Food'

I read the book and did the 30day program. I felt awesome at the end and have continued to eat that way except I added back in dairy.

532cfd279d793e8fcc23b9f6d91dde5c

(1981)

on December 18, 2012
at 07:51 PM

I don't really need it to be sustainable, though, because I have no intention of sustaining it. I just want to know I'm going to be reasonably (not perfectly) well nourished for a few weeks before I start adding in other foods. I did read some of the whole9 site, though, and I appreciate you pointing me towards it. Thank you.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on December 18, 2012
at 06:36 PM

'It Starts With Food' is an amazing book. Even if you're not interested in the elimination diet, the information is extremely helpful for planning a well-rounded approach to Paleo.

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

(435)

on December 18, 2012
at 08:47 PM

Well rather than sustainability, consider it less suffering :)

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E9c5d59e6ba203c182ba3e8bba4ab9ab

on December 18, 2012
at 09:06 PM

I did an elimination diet under the supervision of my naturopath who provided nutritional supplementation and a detoxing drink that helped to cleanse the "bad stuff" out of my system quickly. Something to consider.

It was pretty easy actually, and I nailed down the food intolerances without much suffering.

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