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Whole30 please help--sorry really LONG?

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Created March 08, 2011 at 5:00 PM

I am doing the WHole 30 challenge (started as of March 1st). I am looking to drop some weight as well as heal my mind and gut. I am 5'2 weight 124 (start of Whole30) My meals are like the following: Take: Fish Oil daily Coffee/tea with coconut milk thru out the day--NO sweetener I sure do miss my stevia :( Breakfast: Omelet with left over meat (lamb or bison) & veggies (spinach/kale/tomatoes) in coconut/macadamia oil Lunch: Salad with Eggs usually 3 or 4 whole and 4 egg whites (question to follow) or BISON/LAMB Snacks: Eggs --3-6 sometimes whole sometimes just egg whites Dinner: HUGE HUGE salad -- usually NO added protein--just not in the mood and I go to bed within 1-2 hours after eating salad-- so dont like to eat too heavy cant sleep

Work out pretty much 6-7 days a week for at least 1-2 hours a day--now sometimes it is just walking and then sometimes it is intense--depends what I feel like doing for thr day.

allow cheat OK not really a "cheat" at all just an over eat 2x a week. Like today I ate a LARGE freakn amount of almonds -- I mean ALOT but I only allow this to happen 1x a week. And then on my other "cheat" --it is usally 1-2 pieces of fruit.

PHEW --now here are the questions: 1) Does anyone have an egg YOKE allergy-- I am starting to think I do? I just feel "bloated" the next day if I ate any yokes-- just FAT feeling. Dont know if it is the eggs or coconut milk?

2) I have not noticed any difference in the way I feel--if anything I feel FATTER! I figuired stopping the stevia wd help -- but it has not

3) I just dont like the taste of beef or fish -- that is why I dont eat much of it. Any suggestions on my above diet?

4) I use to weigh abt 110-115 BEFORE (some fats, egg whites and lots of veggies but was having BINGE issues with bread crap) I started this paleo experiment (about 2 months now -- doing the Whole30 for only the past week). Now I feel very uncomfortable in my body --just yucky!!
Any advice on how to get back down to 115--less bloated?

Thank you in advance for your input FORGOT TO ADD -- I also drink ALOT ALOT of water --at least 1 gallon/day--usually more

Af939911afa817f79a4625d4f503c735

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on March 10, 2011
at 03:54 AM

I don't know of any reason to limit chicken. If you think eggs might be the culprit (they can be problematic for some people), then cut them out and see what happens.

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

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on March 09, 2011
at 12:56 PM

1) I have been lacto-paleo for 1 month and now doing the Whole30 -- so it has actually been over 1 month 2) Oh i sleep really well -- once my head hits the pillow i am out cold for AT LEAST 7 hours if not more 3) I thought we shd be limiting the chicken b/c of Omega3 off balance?

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on March 08, 2011
at 11:04 PM

with the amount of mercury in the oceans and in many people's mouthhs, how is seafood good for anyone? have you had a urine metals test to see if the benefits outweigh the cons?

691f120a3e7a1a036845d105d86c99a3

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on March 08, 2011
at 11:00 PM

huge salads of raw veggies make me feel bloated. try cooking the greens...

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

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on March 08, 2011
at 08:28 PM

Dexter you must be a real Hunter/Gatherer-- there is no possible way I coudl eat that at 3am-- I can barely brush my teeth -- YAWN! But I get what you are trying to say --thankyou. Funny you shd say about the Magnesium-- I really dont have any trouble sleeping at all-- always was a good sleeper --but I just bought some CALM -- wanted to see if it will help.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on March 08, 2011
at 08:09 PM

I am not saying they are BAD, just that there are much better choices for protein that will allow for more variation in your menu. I didn't like seafood either, but it's good for me, so I have learned to eat it.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on March 08, 2011
at 08:08 PM

I am 5'2" and 136 is the high end of average. I feel awesome at this weight and my body fat is about 22/24%. Everyone has their own comfort level, though.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on March 08, 2011
at 08:03 PM

Also take some magnesium citrate 1000mg to help you get to sleep.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on March 08, 2011
at 08:02 PM

Eat that breakfast at 3am and then eat your dinner at 2pm and then when you go to sleep at 8pm, you will have partially digested the dinner at 2pm.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on March 08, 2011
at 08:00 PM

Yes, P90x sessions are 6 days a week for one hour with yoga being 1.5 hours and they are intense. I did 90 days one hour a day and got good results but now that I do one hour session everys 4 days, my results are excellent and I don't feel beat up. The resting is the key to success as well as slow reps (3-5 to failure...meaning use heavier weights so that you can do no more after 3-5 reps).

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on March 08, 2011
at 07:56 PM

Maybe it's a good muscle weight that should be embraced and get used to? I put on some pounds in muscle and am really happy about it.

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on March 08, 2011
at 07:49 PM

I don't at all agree with the "6 meals a day" suggestion. Does the Whole30 plan actually suggest anything like this? It seems opposite to most of what we accept about ancestral eating patterns..

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

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on March 08, 2011
at 07:48 PM

I seriously cant eat that much at nite-- I would not be able to sleep 1 minute. I wake up VERY early 3am -- and start work by 4am. So i tend to go to sleep no later than 8pm. I dont really get to have dinenr until about 6pm-- that is why I usually just have a HUGE -- I mean HUGE -- salad. I do cook my omelets in some type of oil. I will look into your links--thank you very much. One question-- I thought that p90x was intense 1 hour long sessions--no?

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

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on March 08, 2011
at 07:45 PM

I feel like I eat alot more than I use to before paleo. I just dont feel comfortable in my new 10+ lbs weight

22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

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on March 08, 2011
at 07:31 PM

Well if most of those are just a casual walk then I wouldn't be concerned. I think training is definitely individual but you can absolutely overtrain (I know from experience). I think Mark Sissons training gives you a nice balance of strength training, sprint or crossfit style, low impact, and play.

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

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on March 08, 2011
at 06:57 PM

What would you suggest for training? I mean if I am just going for a casual walk -- dont really count that as a "workout"-- more of a stress reliever for me.

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

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on March 08, 2011
at 06:54 PM

I use to eat alot MORE veggies before paleo. So that is not the reason for the bloat. I really only have an eating window btwn 7am-1pm and then again 6pm-7-pm. So I do spread out my meals during this time. SOmetimes I think i just eat to eat -- dont really know when i am acutally hungry. E.G. today was one of my "cheat" days --so i decided to eat nuts---and I ate and ate and ate and ate! not GOOD-- even though I knew I was not hungry -- i kept eating --OUCHIE. I need to find a different "cheat" :(

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

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on March 08, 2011
at 06:48 PM

Dont like seafood --yes I am a picky eater :( WHy would too many eggs be bad? I forgot to add I do add oil to my salads and coconut oil to my coffee

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A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

on March 08, 2011
at 07:37 PM

I know a lot depends on body's individual composition, bone density and what not, but 125Ibs at 5'2" is a pretty good weight. I am only 1" taller, weight about 20Ibs more and don't consider myself fat or overweight, and am planning to slowly maybe get to 120... are you sure you are not pressing your body too much? You exercise really a lot and it doesn't look as you eat a lot of calories.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on March 08, 2011
at 07:56 PM

Maybe it's a good muscle weight that should be embraced and get used to? I put on some pounds in muscle and am really happy about it.

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

(984)

on March 08, 2011
at 07:45 PM

I feel like I eat alot more than I use to before paleo. I just dont feel comfortable in my new 10+ lbs weight

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on March 08, 2011
at 08:08 PM

I am 5'2" and 136 is the high end of average. I feel awesome at this weight and my body fat is about 22/24%. Everyone has their own comfort level, though.

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06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on March 08, 2011
at 07:36 PM

I am not surprised you feel like crap all the time. You are not letting your body heal itself from your 7 workouts a week.

Authors like Dr McGuff, Body by Science author, http://www.bodybyscience.net/home.html/ advocates and uses in his South Carolina gym less than 30 min workouts once a week...all the moves are to failure. He gets excellent results with his clients.

Fred Hahn in NYC does essentially the same workouts...30 minutes once a week with excellent results http://slowburnfitness.com/

They get the results by taxing the body muscles to failure and then they rest their clients for one week for the muscles to heal.

I have been using this technique with P90x workouts resting 3 days between workouts and am happy with the limited workouts with very heavy lifting.

The other thing I note is that it appears you are not fueling your body enough with fat and are trying to use the salads as fuel. Many of us eat 75% fat, 20% protein and less than 5% carbs. Cut the carbs and substitute meat and fat as your major fuel source and you will do ok. Remember, there are no essential carbs that humans need to consume. Humans can do just fine on meat and fat.

Cook your eggs in coconut oil or butter. If you will eat 5-6 eggs fried in coconut oil and 1/8 pound bacon for breakfast, you will not need to eat til dinner. Then have your salad with olive oil and vinegar before having a bison or beef steak 16oz or lamb with lots of fat around the edges. Have a few green veggies slathered in butter for good absorption of the nutrients. Do this for a month and you will heal your gut to absorb the nutrients you are consuming.

I suspect the bloating will cease when your gut is healed.

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

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on March 08, 2011
at 08:28 PM

Dexter you must be a real Hunter/Gatherer-- there is no possible way I coudl eat that at 3am-- I can barely brush my teeth -- YAWN! But I get what you are trying to say --thankyou. Funny you shd say about the Magnesium-- I really dont have any trouble sleeping at all-- always was a good sleeper --but I just bought some CALM -- wanted to see if it will help.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on March 08, 2011
at 08:00 PM

Yes, P90x sessions are 6 days a week for one hour with yoga being 1.5 hours and they are intense. I did 90 days one hour a day and got good results but now that I do one hour session everys 4 days, my results are excellent and I don't feel beat up. The resting is the key to success as well as slow reps (3-5 to failure...meaning use heavier weights so that you can do no more after 3-5 reps).

691f120a3e7a1a036845d105d86c99a3

(3641)

on March 08, 2011
at 11:00 PM

huge salads of raw veggies make me feel bloated. try cooking the greens...

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

(984)

on March 08, 2011
at 07:48 PM

I seriously cant eat that much at nite-- I would not be able to sleep 1 minute. I wake up VERY early 3am -- and start work by 4am. So i tend to go to sleep no later than 8pm. I dont really get to have dinenr until about 6pm-- that is why I usually just have a HUGE -- I mean HUGE -- salad. I do cook my omelets in some type of oil. I will look into your links--thank you very much. One question-- I thought that p90x was intense 1 hour long sessions--no?

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on March 08, 2011
at 08:03 PM

Also take some magnesium citrate 1000mg to help you get to sleep.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on March 08, 2011
at 08:02 PM

Eat that breakfast at 3am and then eat your dinner at 2pm and then when you go to sleep at 8pm, you will have partially digested the dinner at 2pm.

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7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

on March 08, 2011
at 05:36 PM

I think you are having too many eggs, not enough meat/fat. I didn't add it all up, but it doesn't seem like a lot of calories either, depending on how much meat you are eating at breakfast and lunch.

There are a lot of different things you can eat on the Whole 30 that you aren't taking advantage of. If you don't like the food, it is harder to stick to the plan. Can you try different things with the lamb/beef/bison, like using it ground and making meatballs/meatloaf? You could also really use some seafood in this plan.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on March 08, 2011
at 08:09 PM

I am not saying they are BAD, just that there are much better choices for protein that will allow for more variation in your menu. I didn't like seafood either, but it's good for me, so I have learned to eat it.

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

(984)

on March 08, 2011
at 06:48 PM

Dont like seafood --yes I am a picky eater :( WHy would too many eggs be bad? I forgot to add I do add oil to my salads and coconut oil to my coffee

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on March 08, 2011
at 11:04 PM

with the amount of mercury in the oceans and in many people's mouthhs, how is seafood good for anyone? have you had a urine metals test to see if the benefits outweigh the cons?

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Af939911afa817f79a4625d4f503c735

on March 09, 2011
at 02:45 AM

1) You have to give your body time to adjust to the new way of eating. It takes a couple of weeks for most people. There's a reason they recommend a whole month of eating this way.

2) It sounds like you may be over training. How is your sleep?

3) How about chicken and pork for protein sources? Swap some of the eggs for some kind of meat.

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

(984)

on March 09, 2011
at 12:56 PM

1) I have been lacto-paleo for 1 month and now doing the Whole30 -- so it has actually been over 1 month 2) Oh i sleep really well -- once my head hits the pillow i am out cold for AT LEAST 7 hours if not more 3) I thought we shd be limiting the chicken b/c of Omega3 off balance?

Af939911afa817f79a4625d4f503c735

(552)

on March 10, 2011
at 03:54 AM

I don't know of any reason to limit chicken. If you think eggs might be the culprit (they can be problematic for some people), then cut them out and see what happens.

0
22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

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on March 08, 2011
at 06:41 PM

You need to cut down on the training big time. You will burn out and overtrain quickly allowing for your hormones to take over (not in a good way). You will lose weight initially, but you will most likely hit a point were the opposite will occur do to the burn out.

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

(984)

on March 08, 2011
at 06:57 PM

What would you suggest for training? I mean if I am just going for a casual walk -- dont really count that as a "workout"-- more of a stress reliever for me.

22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

(5773)

on March 08, 2011
at 07:31 PM

Well if most of those are just a casual walk then I wouldn't be concerned. I think training is definitely individual but you can absolutely overtrain (I know from experience). I think Mark Sissons training gives you a nice balance of strength training, sprint or crossfit style, low impact, and play.

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3616ed1c12d3a9b5e010a288cc19f27f

on March 08, 2011
at 06:35 PM

Did you eat a lot of veggies prior to the whole 30? The bloated feeling may be from a larger amount of fiber. Also - your meals may be to few to large. Eat the same amount of food, but split up over 6 meals a day.

I personally don't think your eating enough either. For your whole30 challenge dont limit yourself to much on the fruit either. And stop weighing yourself :) i think they say that. So eat more balanced smaller meals. a little fruit, a chunk of meat, maybe some nuts, and a few handfuls of veggies repeat.

9a19846adfae25b2e17c32d9af386f02

(151)

on March 08, 2011
at 07:49 PM

I don't at all agree with the "6 meals a day" suggestion. Does the Whole30 plan actually suggest anything like this? It seems opposite to most of what we accept about ancestral eating patterns..

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

(984)

on March 08, 2011
at 06:54 PM

I use to eat alot MORE veggies before paleo. So that is not the reason for the bloat. I really only have an eating window btwn 7am-1pm and then again 6pm-7-pm. So I do spread out my meals during this time. SOmetimes I think i just eat to eat -- dont really know when i am acutally hungry. E.G. today was one of my "cheat" days --so i decided to eat nuts---and I ate and ate and ate and ate! not GOOD-- even though I knew I was not hungry -- i kept eating --OUCHIE. I need to find a different "cheat" :(

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