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Vegan adopting a paleo diet but with eggs and fish only?

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Created December 30, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Hey there! First off, please don't reply with any mean or aggressive comments! I've found that when I simply tell people I'm vegan sometimes they will get very hostile and I don't know why! I've been vegan for ethical reasons, but I also believe that we are omnivores, fully capable of eating animals but I just don't agree with the treatment they get at factory farms. My friend is paleo and there are so many similarities- we both agree that unprocessed foods are best, and that animals should be treated well and raised to eat and live the life they would in a natural setting. I'm so glad this diet encourages grass-fed meats! So after doing some research and talking with my friend, I'm thinking I'd like to eat less carbs and add in eggs and fish. I live in a coastal community so local fish is not hard to come by, and I have many friends with pet chickens so I know I'd be able to get good eggs. Right now I just don't think I could add in meat though. I've read that others have done an eggs and fish style of paleo- how much of these should I be eating a day? Just trying to figure out what I should plan on getting when I do my weekly food shopping. Are there any paleo books out there that are less red meat focused? Oh, and why are peas not paleo? Wouldn't a caveman have been able to gather them pretty easily? Are there any other fruits/veggies that aren't actually paleo (besides lentils and potatoes)? Thank you for your help!

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on January 03, 2013
at 05:54 AM

Eggs and fish will be awesome for you! And welcome. :)

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on January 01, 2013
at 02:03 AM

Michael, here's a rebuttal of your estrogen argument: "Another common misconception is that the flavones (isoflavones) in soy are "phytoestrogens," While almost everyone is calling isoflavones phytroestrogens, the fact is phytoestrogens aren't related to estrogens or any other human hormones whatsoever. Flavones are flavonoids, which are plant pigments. Estrogens (estradiol, estrone, estriol) are steroids secreted by the endocrine (ductless) glands and found only in mammals. There is no relation at all between the two."

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on December 31, 2012
at 05:06 AM

cool. i was just curious. i was a vegan for 5 years prior to starting paleo in august and the first meat i had was tuna- well, tuna salad. i actually cried when i ate it, but i said a lengthy prayer! after a few days of fish, i was like "well, i ate one animal, might as well eat them all." as long as i thank my animals for giving my nourishment, i feel better about the choice i made. good luck!

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on December 31, 2012
at 03:28 AM

(This is the same gym girl as above- I'm on my kindle and didn't register yet)

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on December 31, 2012
at 01:15 AM

I've loved all the answers so far, but tofu is the one thing suggested that most paleos are firmly against. It is the worst kind of legume. Sure it's high in calcium -- most foods are high in *something* good -- but it's really bad in a lot of key ways. Just as one example, it's got huge quantities of estrogenic compounds. Feeding your infant soy-milk is like feeding him/her four birth control pills. If birth control pills had calcium, I'd still recommend against! Keep away from the stuff.

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on December 30, 2012
at 07:58 PM

Dairy is debatable, but most people agree butter is cool unless you have severe dairy intolerance. Unfortunately, most or all mayo is not paleo, I've never seen any without soybean oil, which is pretty frowned upon. Maybe you could make some yourself?

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at 07:27 PM

Glad to hear potatoes are ok! So regular butter is ok too, or are you talking about ghee? I thought dairy was off-limits with paleo? My friend is really into crossfit so maybe the paleo rules I'd heard from her are more strict? Oh and I forgot to add to my question above- is mayo paleo? If not do stores sell a paleo version of mayo? I don't think I could eat tuna without it (that was my favorite sandwich as a kid)!

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Similar thread: http://paleohacks.com/questions/163250/pescetarianism-with-raw-paleo-focus/163269#163269

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on December 30, 2012
at 06:55 PM

I consider tubers paleo, and would consider white potatoes paleo, especially when compared to grains and legumes, since tubers would be much easier to gather, prepare and cook while grains require processing and often fermentation.

Aside from that, I think you can be paleo while your only meats are eggs and fish. These are some of the more nutrient dense foods on the paleo menu (assuming you're including shellfish, specifically oysters). If you can do this along with cutting out corn/soy oils and cutting back on grains like wheat then I think you're doing just fine.

My sister was vegan for 6 years and decided to re-incorporate eggs and fish after she got blood-work and was severely b12 deficient. I like red meat, but I'm not necessarily ready to argue that you necessarily need it in any significant quantities. I think what you're doing is great.

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on December 30, 2012
at 07:23 PM

The Perfect Health Diet might be a good starting point. The diet is paleo plus safe starch. The diet also allows peas and green beans.

Fish and eggs are very useful health wise and this will work great for you.

I eat wild salmon twice a week. You might consider more frequently. Other fish works as well including oysters, prawns and shrimp.

Eggs are a personal thing. Eat the yolks for sure and then some or all of the whites. I eat 4 egg yolks a day and sometimes also eat the whites. Consider one or more egg yolks a day.

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on December 30, 2012
at 09:19 PM

I think an egg-and-fish-only paleo sounds pretty good. Probably what I would implement if I didn't have easy (as in free) access to farm-fresh beef and pork. More than fish though, shellfish would be important for the enhanced mineral profiles. That, and the bulk of calories coming from starch, as opposed to animal fat.

Peas are eschewed because they're botanically legumes - rich in lectins. Lectins are, however, in all plants (and animals), so that in and of itself is a lousy excuse. Phytates, oxalates, and other chelators are present too, but again, they're in most all plant matter. The focus needs to be on reactive proteins (of which lectins are) that folks are intolerant to. All that said, most folks can eat peas without issue. I think legumes are wrongly vilified in paleo, as long as they're not a staple, they're ok occasionally.

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on December 30, 2012
at 07:16 PM

I did a similar way of eating for a while after I learned about the paleo diet while still a vegetarian. I pretty much ate eggs everyday and ate fish about 3-4 times a week. I also ate a lot of tubers like potatoes and carrots and fruits like bananas and strawberries. I had healthy fat sources I added to my food (usually onto cooked vegetables) like coconut oil, virgin olive oil, and butter. I did almond butter for a time, but my stomach was too sensitive to eat it very often.

I also ate a lot of peas back then. They're pretty innocuous really, you're probably fine eating them.

Anyway, hope this helps.

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on December 30, 2012
at 07:58 PM

Dairy is debatable, but most people agree butter is cool unless you have severe dairy intolerance. Unfortunately, most or all mayo is not paleo, I've never seen any without soybean oil, which is pretty frowned upon. Maybe you could make some yourself?

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on December 30, 2012
at 07:27 PM

Glad to hear potatoes are ok! So regular butter is ok too, or are you talking about ghee? I thought dairy was off-limits with paleo? My friend is really into crossfit so maybe the paleo rules I'd heard from her are more strict? Oh and I forgot to add to my question above- is mayo paleo? If not do stores sell a paleo version of mayo? I don't think I could eat tuna without it (that was my favorite sandwich as a kid)!

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on December 31, 2012
at 03:27 AM

Thanks for the answers everyone, you have all been very helpful! Joanna- at this point I don't think I could do meat besides fish, its a complicated answer regarding my personal ethics, plus before going veg I wasn't a big meat eater anyways, except for bacon! Usually any meaty meal I would have would be loaded with my ultimate vice-- cheese, so without that flavor meat doesn't do much for me. Thanks again, I plan on looking up The Perfect Health Diet book on my kindle and if anyone has any other book suggestions please let me know :)

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on December 31, 2012
at 03:28 AM

(This is the same gym girl as above- I'm on my kindle and didn't register yet)

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on December 31, 2012
at 05:06 AM

cool. i was just curious. i was a vegan for 5 years prior to starting paleo in august and the first meat i had was tuna- well, tuna salad. i actually cried when i ate it, but i said a lengthy prayer! after a few days of fish, i was like "well, i ate one animal, might as well eat them all." as long as i thank my animals for giving my nourishment, i feel better about the choice i made. good luck!

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on December 30, 2012
at 08:27 PM

i don't think there is a certain amount of meat/eggs you need to eat. just depends on your needed calories for the day and if you wanna do higher carb or lower carb. everyone is so individual with what works for them. see how you feel adding back in some eggs for breakfast and meat for lunch/dinner.

one thing i am wondering is why you won't eat other meat besides fish? it's good for you and from an ethical standpoint, there isn't a big difference between fish and cows/pigs/chickens. they all have hearts, lungs, brains, reproductive organs. all meat is meat in my book so why not include all of it?

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on December 30, 2012
at 07:10 PM

I eat peas and potatoes. Many people here eat potatoes, and I had never even heard that about peas, but I don't worry about the "rules" all that much. There aren't really any fruits or vegetables that I don't eat.

Eggs & fish seems like a great idea, and you might also consider adding in some healthy saturated fats -- maybe coconut oil if you don't want to eat meat-based fats, or butter from pastured dairy sources if that fits in with your philosophy. And if you're ok with dairy, you might also eventually consider other sources of pastured dairy, like aged raw milk cheeses or yogurt.

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Hello gym girl, I recommend rotating tofu into your diet, as well. I know, I know, it's got soy, but hear me out. Tofu has no lectin activity and is also carbohydrate free and a great source of calcium. Both fish and eggs are common allergens for people and you wouldn't want to depend on them too much lest you develop an intolerance to one or both of them. Then you'd really be stuck! Trust me, I can no longer eat fish or dairy for this reason. I have to watch my egg and nut consumption, as well, as too much of either gives me stomach upset.

Good luck and congratulations from one former vegan to another!

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on December 31, 2012
at 01:15 AM

I've loved all the answers so far, but tofu is the one thing suggested that most paleos are firmly against. It is the worst kind of legume. Sure it's high in calcium -- most foods are high in *something* good -- but it's really bad in a lot of key ways. Just as one example, it's got huge quantities of estrogenic compounds. Feeding your infant soy-milk is like feeding him/her four birth control pills. If birth control pills had calcium, I'd still recommend against! Keep away from the stuff.

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on January 01, 2013
at 02:03 AM

Michael, here's a rebuttal of your estrogen argument: "Another common misconception is that the flavones (isoflavones) in soy are "phytoestrogens," While almost everyone is calling isoflavones phytroestrogens, the fact is phytoestrogens aren't related to estrogens or any other human hormones whatsoever. Flavones are flavonoids, which are plant pigments. Estrogens (estradiol, estrone, estriol) are steroids secreted by the endocrine (ductless) glands and found only in mammals. There is no relation at all between the two."

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