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What are the ethics of PaleoHacking?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created April 10, 2012 at 4:20 PM

In the last few weeks I've seen some behavior that I find worrisome. I have developed some real reservations about some of what happens on the site.

I've seen people who are showing signs of eat disorders being encouraged to fast.

I've seen people who are losing hair and having sleep problems being coached to lift weights more often and at higher-rep ranges.

I see people suggesting Keto-dieting to people who are asking questions about low-thyroid.

I know "Caveat Emptor" applies to any sort of Life Hack but some of what I've seen strikes me as possibly dangerous.

When you answer someone's question do you look at their previous questions? Do you ask questions before telling them to do your favorite Hack? Do you care if someone gets hurt screwing around with things they shouldn't or are we so interested in pushing the boundaries and experimenting that we are willing to risk our, or other peoples lives for the sake of 1% more? When does the community cross the line into behavior that's really unethical or is it the nature of the site to just not sweat it and let the buyer-beware?

EDIT - Removed snarky comment about Jack Kruse. I meant every word but he wasn't the point of the post.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on October 04, 2012
at 10:29 AM

What's wrong with bacon? It's got a fat content similar to olive oil, nitrates are mostly harmless - our saliva has a larger dose, as does celery. I haven't downvoted you, but I feel perhaps you aren't aware of the facts, so I thought I'd chip in with a comment to help you out.

E253f8ac1d139bf4d0bfb44debd1db21

on September 29, 2012
at 08:19 AM

If only the lay people considered themselves lay people

584cdd1a2dd83e46b8b76758f4c57b19

(600)

on May 12, 2012
at 01:52 AM

I myself was given some scary feedback and didn't know I could report it. One of the other users gave it a -1 but I wasn't sure how to do that and I felt mean

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 16, 2012
at 06:08 PM

That's quite possible. I think the issue is that for an obese person Ketosis is one of the few way they will actually be able to go on an a crash diet. Without it hunger will make them eat, t least in my experience. I've lost 150lbs over 2 years by eating to satiety, walking, doing a bit of weightlifting before a frisbee accident etc... My number one take away has been eat lots of meat and fish. Starch slows me down but doesn't mess me up....

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on April 13, 2012
at 03:02 PM

I think caloric restriction will cause a T3 drop regardless of whether the diet is ketogenic.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on April 13, 2012
at 03:01 PM

Well, slowly and mildly, I think. I dropped 50 lbs over some amount of time, 6 months to a year. I kept recomposing for a while after the pounds stopped. I was subclinical by some definitions, though I had been on synth at some point anyway, because my psychiatrist thought even subclinical was important for depressed people. I never restricted calories. All my weight was lost eating to hunger, which was between 2000 and 3000 calories a day. I mostly think CR is a Bad Idea, especially for weight loss.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 13, 2012
at 02:35 AM

How fast did you drop and how Hypo- were you? It's possible that the accounts I read were pushing the edge of starvation-type diets either because of zeal on the part of the participants or because their appetite was depressed. Fwiw I don't see that Keto=unhealthy T3 drop in everyone.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on April 11, 2012
at 07:27 PM

I don't know. I lost weight during the period that my thyroid normalised, so that must imply a deficit. I'm sure there are some things we can agree are Bad Ideas, though. :-)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 11, 2012
at 06:57 PM

I should have been more clear. Keto-dieting Vs. Eating a ketogenic diet. Ketosis isn't itself stressful. If someone already has thyroid problems and crashes into a ketogenic diet that is hypocaloric I don't see that as a good pairing.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 11, 2012
at 02:01 AM

Yes there have been some disturbing recommendations which is all the more reason for the older, more seasoned to stick around and when you see stuff like that be willing to speak up or at least flag. You don't have to be an expert to alert the mods. If your stomach does a flip when you read something then flag it and let the moderators decide. That's their job not yours. Just use your best judgement but if it's concerning you let someone else take a look at it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 10, 2012
at 08:49 PM

There are severeal threads tagged with Orthorexia and Anorexia.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 10, 2012
at 08:25 PM

I think that's a good point. I'd hope that maybe some of the guys and gals who have suffered from eating disorders can step in and encourage people to get the help they need. I haven't looked but do we have a thread where people have talked about their issues with Orthorexia, Anorexia Etc...?

F80aaa96354eb749a8a5efdda3feba7d

(457)

on April 10, 2012
at 08:15 PM

+1 for a Potter reference. Always makes me smile

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on April 10, 2012
at 08:07 PM

I have noticed lately that there are a lot of repeat posts from young people with ED issues.

276a5e631b62f8e0793987c0496364bb

(1644)

on April 10, 2012
at 08:06 PM

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on April 10, 2012
at 07:45 PM

+1 Yes, ask a question, get some "suggestions", and do some of your own homework on those suggestions.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on April 10, 2012
at 07:38 PM

Troll in the dungeon! (Just thought you should know)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 10, 2012
at 07:24 PM

Just got on this site and will admit to not having ever looked at someone's profile or past questions before answering. But, I don't recommend anything extreme either. I'm all for more moderation in things.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on April 10, 2012
at 07:15 PM

Great question. To be honest I haven't looked at the OPs past questions or answers because i honestly never thought of it. Thanks for this.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on April 10, 2012
at 06:45 PM

+10............

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 10, 2012
at 06:44 PM

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on April 10, 2012
at 06:43 PM

@Chauncey Gardiner- i believe you are correct. but the question for me is does it produce a hormetic response and if so, at what point does that response stop; but thats a whole nother thread :)

863fbe3ea7cacba9a77b19a09bf445cf

on April 10, 2012
at 06:33 PM

@Sage--That's interesting, but I'm sure there are lots of centuries-old practices that I wouldn't follow (and that might cause more harm than good).

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on April 10, 2012
at 06:26 PM

@Chauncey Gardiner- i recall reading a newspaper article in the 80's about a nursery school in Japan that had the children play in the snow naked. seems it was a practice used for centuries over there.

863fbe3ea7cacba9a77b19a09bf445cf

on April 10, 2012
at 06:04 PM

I don't think Dr. Kruse sets out to hurt people and he can't control all the wacky things his followers do. That said, he seems very reckless, and I think the "MRSA thing" speaks volumes about his professional ethics. Today in one thread on his forums, he seems to tacitly endorse CT for children ("Many think children can not do CT and they are actually better adapted to it than we are"). Despite posting dozens of times per day, Dr. Kruse is conspicuously absent from a thread in which people discuss adverse reactions they've had to CT.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on April 10, 2012
at 06:01 PM

@Dave S. it was about the same for me. i even tried the reset. i guess the OPs comment irks me much the same way gratuitious sex does in a movie.

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on April 10, 2012
at 05:50 PM

@Dave S., What happened at Paleo FX? I missed it.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on April 10, 2012
at 05:34 PM

@sage. I stopped reading when I could no longer even pretend to make sense of it - sometime after all the leptin reset posts. But I can't help reading the takedowns in the comments at FTA and HuntGatherLove. It all came up at PaleoFX, I believe.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on April 10, 2012
at 05:15 PM

@Dave S. i haven't been following Q as of late, so cannot comment on the "MRSA thing". his recent writings don't ring true for me so i don't waste my time reading it anymore.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on April 10, 2012
at 05:15 PM

LOL ... just returned from my lunchtime walk ;). #yousnoozeyoulose

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on April 10, 2012
at 05:14 PM

I don't think anyone on here, doc or no, is intentionally trying to harm. Most people want to help. But this stuff is complicated. It's one thing to hear what is working for others, and another to try and resolve medical concerns over a forum, regardless of how well intentioned folks are.

4ccf5d9bba64e54fc95802fe8ae33c47

(900)

on April 10, 2012
at 05:13 PM

I will comment exactly what gydle said. And add that that's the reason I come and go here, and now will go again. a) too many young folks with moderate eating disorders who give other youngens strange advice and b) way more concerning I find children and teenagers with very obvious eating disorders given all sorts of different advice, some of it pretty horrible and dangerous.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on April 10, 2012
at 05:13 PM

What? Where you sleeping Beth?

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on April 10, 2012
at 05:12 PM

Is it slander when Dr. Harris blatantly calls Dr. Kruse a quack?

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on April 10, 2012
at 05:12 PM

Ha! Dave beat me to the answer this time ;).

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on April 10, 2012
at 05:07 PM

@MeepsIsWellfed indeed. when i first joined PH, Jack didn't have a website and was known as DrK. while i don't buy much of what he's doing at the moment, he has in the past been helpful to me and he does care. its one thing to openly disagree, but slander is whole other game.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on April 10, 2012
at 05:00 PM

You can believe what you want - and certainly many people here are trying to be helpful - but others are just defending a position. And some (like me) are often just smart-alecky. Others are trolls.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on April 10, 2012
at 04:55 PM

The advice he gives regarding cold therapy could be dangerous, but I don't think he is trying to harm people. He may just be irresponsible. The MRSA thing seems awfully over the top in terms of irresponsibility.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 10, 2012
at 04:55 PM

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on April 10, 2012
at 04:53 PM

@Sage, that would be slander wouldn't it? No one would slander here would they?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 10, 2012
at 04:53 PM

I'm saying that Jack sells his ideas based on being a Doctor and then specifically says he isn't treating you and you aren't a patient. As for "deliberate harm" I have to say "No". I don't think Jack is trying to hurt people but I do think his site borders on experimenting on them. The best I can say is that he hasn't suggested any of them infect themselves with an antibiotic resistant strain of Staph.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on April 10, 2012
at 04:48 PM

i agree, but the question was is it done to knowingly harm.

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on April 10, 2012
at 04:41 PM

Doctors always have a higher potential than the rest of us schlubs to be dangerous whether it is purposeful or not.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on April 10, 2012
at 04:39 PM

I feel similarly.. but also a little uncomfortable flagging things because I don't feel anything even close to an expert.

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on April 10, 2012
at 04:39 PM

It's a good point, but it should not make you feel stupid. I completely forgot about that option as well, making this a timely question and a good reminder. Thanks to both the moderator for the reminder and LikesLardinMayo for asking the question and creating this opportunity for discussion.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 10, 2012
at 04:27 PM

This is a fair point. I feel a little stupid for not thinking of it.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 10, 2012
at 04:26 PM

You should flag things that are scary. We can't read every question.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 10, 2012
at 04:21 PM

I'd just add that I've seen some smart moderation from Patrik and Melissa when they refer people with serious-sounding medical issues to an MD rather than letting them hack their irregular heartbeak Etc...

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Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on April 10, 2012
at 06:28 PM

While ultimately, we are all responsible for doing our own homework, I also think that we are each also held responsible to only give advice in a public forum with limited information on any one person that is broad and fairly generalized. No one should come to ph expecting to replace expert individualized medical advice, and people asking questions here should realize that there are no qualifications to post answers...this is a site comprised largely of lay people.

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on April 10, 2012
at 07:45 PM

+1 Yes, ask a question, get some "suggestions", and do some of your own homework on those suggestions.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on April 10, 2012
at 06:45 PM

+10............

E253f8ac1d139bf4d0bfb44debd1db21

on September 29, 2012
at 08:19 AM

If only the lay people considered themselves lay people

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0905a0f8cd1e48f6d39fe625a65b6ef1

(2890)

on April 10, 2012
at 07:44 PM

Hi LikesLardinMayo (love your name),

I've had the same concerns, and I am grateful that you've asked this question.

As a mom of 46 years, a woman without a partner, a woman with curves and deep thoughts, I see a bit of my younger self in some of these questions.

Twenty years ago, I wanted to be thin and beautiful. I was never much of either, not by cultural standards. I've got an hourglass-on-steroids figure and a nose to match. And today I can say and believe and laugh that I think I'm pretty damned hot, twenty years ago I could barely look in the mirror.

We have some young people here who feel that hurt inside, who harbor holes in their heart. They want to be loved, they want to be noticed. They don't yet know the way that we do that they will get looks and notice if they just fall into their own body and own it, own their thoughts and love and attitude. Until you get that realization - and it happens for some lucky ones very young, and for more of us in our middle years - you will keep feeding bananas to that monkey on your back.

I think the solution is to post more Real Body Real Life type questions and answers here at PaleoHacks. When you see a disordered question, answer with love and an affirmation of the beauty and sanctity of every human form.

Thanks again for asking this, it made me think of what I really should be doing here.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 10, 2012
at 08:49 PM

There are severeal threads tagged with Orthorexia and Anorexia.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 10, 2012
at 08:25 PM

I think that's a good point. I'd hope that maybe some of the guys and gals who have suffered from eating disorders can step in and encourage people to get the help they need. I haven't looked but do we have a thread where people have talked about their issues with Orthorexia, Anorexia Etc...?

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100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on April 11, 2012
at 05:36 PM

I agree that some of the advice here is crazy, and I think Rogue's answer is best.

However, I think the variety of answers, even ones I think are wrong, is really important, and here's why: the state of nutritional knowledge is that it is immature, and we are learning new things all the time. Sometimes the experts are more ignorant than the laypeople. Sometimes what is true for most is paradoxically false for a minority. Moreover, what seems true today may be overturned tomorrow.

What's offensive and wrong to one person might be right for others, or even ultimately more right. So I think it's important to keep censorship to a minimum.

A case in point: you mention thyroid and ketogenic diets. I don't think that issue is by any means settled. My thyroid normalised on a ketogenic diet, and the interplay between low carb and thyroid is complex. See Is lowered T3 resulting from a low carb diet problematic?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 11, 2012
at 06:57 PM

I should have been more clear. Keto-dieting Vs. Eating a ketogenic diet. Ketosis isn't itself stressful. If someone already has thyroid problems and crashes into a ketogenic diet that is hypocaloric I don't see that as a good pairing.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on April 11, 2012
at 07:27 PM

I don't know. I lost weight during the period that my thyroid normalised, so that must imply a deficit. I'm sure there are some things we can agree are Bad Ideas, though. :-)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 13, 2012
at 02:35 AM

How fast did you drop and how Hypo- were you? It's possible that the accounts I read were pushing the edge of starvation-type diets either because of zeal on the part of the participants or because their appetite was depressed. Fwiw I don't see that Keto=unhealthy T3 drop in everyone.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on April 13, 2012
at 03:02 PM

I think caloric restriction will cause a T3 drop regardless of whether the diet is ketogenic.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on April 13, 2012
at 03:01 PM

Well, slowly and mildly, I think. I dropped 50 lbs over some amount of time, 6 months to a year. I kept recomposing for a while after the pounds stopped. I was subclinical by some definitions, though I had been on synth at some point anyway, because my psychiatrist thought even subclinical was important for depressed people. I never restricted calories. All my weight was lost eating to hunger, which was between 2000 and 3000 calories a day. I mostly think CR is a Bad Idea, especially for weight loss.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 16, 2012
at 06:08 PM

That's quite possible. I think the issue is that for an obese person Ketosis is one of the few way they will actually be able to go on an a crash diet. Without it hunger will make them eat, t least in my experience. I've lost 150lbs over 2 years by eating to satiety, walking, doing a bit of weightlifting before a frisbee accident etc... My number one take away has been eat lots of meat and fish. Starch slows me down but doesn't mess me up....

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1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 10, 2012
at 04:32 PM

I can see your point. I think it's ALWAYS important to emphasize that, "What works for me, may not work for you," and to take all advice obtained via the internet (especially discussion boards) with a grain of salt.

276a5e631b62f8e0793987c0496364bb

(1644)

on April 10, 2012
at 08:06 PM

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 10, 2012
at 06:44 PM

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 10, 2012
at 04:55 PM

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B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on April 10, 2012
at 04:29 PM

i choose to believe that people on this site only answer if they believe the answer is helpful. and i would also hope that people intelligent enough to find this site realize that you get what you pay for and take all answers here for what they are; opinions and n=1.
are you saying Jack Kruse purposefully harms people?

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on April 10, 2012
at 04:53 PM

@Sage, that would be slander wouldn't it? No one would slander here would they?

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on April 10, 2012
at 06:01 PM

@Dave S. it was about the same for me. i even tried the reset. i guess the OPs comment irks me much the same way gratuitious sex does in a movie.

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on April 10, 2012
at 04:41 PM

Doctors always have a higher potential than the rest of us schlubs to be dangerous whether it is purposeful or not.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on April 10, 2012
at 05:15 PM

LOL ... just returned from my lunchtime walk ;). #yousnoozeyoulose

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on April 10, 2012
at 06:26 PM

@Chauncey Gardiner- i recall reading a newspaper article in the 80's about a nursery school in Japan that had the children play in the snow naked. seems it was a practice used for centuries over there.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on April 10, 2012
at 05:13 PM

What? Where you sleeping Beth?

863fbe3ea7cacba9a77b19a09bf445cf

on April 10, 2012
at 06:04 PM

I don't think Dr. Kruse sets out to hurt people and he can't control all the wacky things his followers do. That said, he seems very reckless, and I think the "MRSA thing" speaks volumes about his professional ethics. Today in one thread on his forums, he seems to tacitly endorse CT for children ("Many think children can not do CT and they are actually better adapted to it than we are"). Despite posting dozens of times per day, Dr. Kruse is conspicuously absent from a thread in which people discuss adverse reactions they've had to CT.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on April 10, 2012
at 04:48 PM

i agree, but the question was is it done to knowingly harm.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on April 10, 2012
at 05:00 PM

You can believe what you want - and certainly many people here are trying to be helpful - but others are just defending a position. And some (like me) are often just smart-alecky. Others are trolls.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on April 10, 2012
at 05:12 PM

Is it slander when Dr. Harris blatantly calls Dr. Kruse a quack?

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on April 10, 2012
at 05:14 PM

I don't think anyone on here, doc or no, is intentionally trying to harm. Most people want to help. But this stuff is complicated. It's one thing to hear what is working for others, and another to try and resolve medical concerns over a forum, regardless of how well intentioned folks are.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on April 10, 2012
at 06:43 PM

@Chauncey Gardiner- i believe you are correct. but the question for me is does it produce a hormetic response and if so, at what point does that response stop; but thats a whole nother thread :)

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on April 10, 2012
at 05:34 PM

@sage. I stopped reading when I could no longer even pretend to make sense of it - sometime after all the leptin reset posts. But I can't help reading the takedowns in the comments at FTA and HuntGatherLove. It all came up at PaleoFX, I believe.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on April 10, 2012
at 05:07 PM

@MeepsIsWellfed indeed. when i first joined PH, Jack didn't have a website and was known as DrK. while i don't buy much of what he's doing at the moment, he has in the past been helpful to me and he does care. its one thing to openly disagree, but slander is whole other game.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on April 10, 2012
at 05:15 PM

@Dave S. i haven't been following Q as of late, so cannot comment on the "MRSA thing". his recent writings don't ring true for me so i don't waste my time reading it anymore.

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on April 10, 2012
at 05:50 PM

@Dave S., What happened at Paleo FX? I missed it.

863fbe3ea7cacba9a77b19a09bf445cf

on April 10, 2012
at 06:33 PM

@Sage--That's interesting, but I'm sure there are lots of centuries-old practices that I wouldn't follow (and that might cause more harm than good).

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on April 10, 2012
at 04:55 PM

The advice he gives regarding cold therapy could be dangerous, but I don't think he is trying to harm people. He may just be irresponsible. The MRSA thing seems awfully over the top in terms of irresponsibility.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on April 10, 2012
at 05:12 PM

Ha! Dave beat me to the answer this time ;).

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 10, 2012
at 04:53 PM

I'm saying that Jack sells his ideas based on being a Doctor and then specifically says he isn't treating you and you aren't a patient. As for "deliberate harm" I have to say "No". I don't think Jack is trying to hurt people but I do think his site borders on experimenting on them. The best I can say is that he hasn't suggested any of them infect themselves with an antibiotic resistant strain of Staph.

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D3abaaead845d9da842938514ddb24bf

on October 04, 2012
at 05:46 AM

I just found this site and it provides support for me mostly. It is more like a support group inwhich you can get this plethora of advice to pick and choose. For me, I dont have anyone to really trust as bouncing back and forth on the ED column. It is just sometimes nice to write out the worries you have on being healthy and have some reassurance to know your not alone. I have gotten some of the best, personalized advice of my life here :) (the counselors and nutritionists here at college just dont get it)

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E253f8ac1d139bf4d0bfb44debd1db21

on September 29, 2012
at 08:18 AM

Does this behavior include obsessions with bacon?

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19463)

on October 04, 2012
at 10:29 AM

What's wrong with bacon? It's got a fat content similar to olive oil, nitrates are mostly harmless - our saliva has a larger dose, as does celery. I haven't downvoted you, but I feel perhaps you aren't aware of the facts, so I thought I'd chip in with a comment to help you out.

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(1205)

on April 10, 2012
at 06:01 PM

Or how about when people complain of rising LDL and they get told to eat more saturated fat?

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(20436)

on April 10, 2012
at 07:38 PM

Troll in the dungeon! (Just thought you should know)

F80aaa96354eb749a8a5efdda3feba7d

(457)

on April 10, 2012
at 08:15 PM

+1 for a Potter reference. Always makes me smile

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