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Earthing, Grounding -- whatever you want to call it, let's have a real discussion

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 10, 2012 at 10:34 PM

A good overview on the subject would be Sisson's article on it. This will get you up to speed if you are unfamiliar:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/earthing/#axzz1ofo0OdK4

Facts:

1 - The earth has a negative charge.

2 - When we are ungrounded, we have a slight potential (i.e. high voltage when compared to earth's potential). This varies from person to person and can change.

3 - We lose our potential when we are electrically grounded, which is possible because our bodies are somewhat conductive.

What we don't know:

Does electrically grounding our bodies have any health effects?

Other factors to consider:

Anecdotal evidence claims better sleep, less pain, feelings of relaxation when grounded, and lessened workout recovery time (these are the main one's I've encountered). The amazon page for the one book about this has a large number of these reports:

http://www.amazon.com/Earthing-Most-Important-Health-Discovery/dp/1591202833

There have been only a handful of studies produced on the topic. They all show fascinating results, of particular interest to me (given how common hormonal problems seem to be) was the normalization of cortisol patterns in subjects who slept grounded. Another study included the subjective reports of patients at the end of the study (only anecdotal evidence, but fascinating).

Note - One might be skeptical of these studies given that they are almost all done by a handful of researchers that have financial stakes in the company that sells earthing products. I guess it is up to each individual to decide how much credence to give to these. Also, few of the studies have control groups, and I believe none of these (done by these researchers) are double-blind. Another reason to be skeptical would be the journals these papers were published in: Alternative and Complementary Medicine, to name one.

On the other hand, there is one researcher with no financial stake in the company that did a study with a fairly large subject pool (at least compared to the other studies) that was also double-blind and had a control group. He did five separate experiments essentially and published it all in one paper. I read the paper. It certainly was the best of those out there and showed what I consider to be some very interesting changes: for instance, changes in serum and urine levels of certain minerals/elements. Ultimately we can't say much about that, but we can point to it and say, Look, something is actually happening here.

Why there is reluctance in communities to adopt something like this

The most obvious reason is that there is not enough hard evidence to support any conclusions. But I think the more important reason is that there is a company behind all of this. If you want to try it while sleeping, you have to buy from the one company that produces these things. To most people that screams scam.

My personal experience

To get around the issue of having to buy a fairly expensive device from the company that seems to have a stronghold on this, I made my own device. Essentially a plug with a wire connected to the ground that I attach to my body when I sleep. Changes I've noted? For the first couple days, I swear I could feel a change in my body whenever I was grounded. I would feel immensely relaxed, my breathing patterns would change, and I would not want to move. I started waking up with more energy than I had in the past. I know no longer can feel a change when I ground myself, but my sleep is still spot on, and in general I am feeling great (which is unusual given a large number of other problems I have been dealing with). One very tangible change has been my dream recall: almost non-existent before, and now strong and consistent. Scientifically, of course, we could chalk all of this up to placebo.

So, what are your thoughts on this?


EDIT:

As requested in the comments, here is a picture of my device:

http://i41.tinypic.com/4sb1ft.jpg

My resource for making it was this wikiHow article:

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Earthing-Device

Like the author of this article I looked up the patents for the grounding devices that are being sold to check that the makers of those products had added no safety devices other than the resistor. This was enough to convince myself that the device was safe. You can look on the "Discuss" tab on the wikiHow article and see a quick debate about the safety of this device. In my opinion the party that claims the device is unsafe is unable to substantiate the claim.

Further personal experiments

I have now tested the device on three people not including myself. The first claimed he felt something after being connected for only about 20 minutes (while conscious; he did not sleep with it on). The second, who was very skeptical, admitted that after napping with the device on he woke up feeling more refreshed than he had ever felt after napping. Third person slept with it on for one night and claimed "I think it did something but right now I am too sick to tell." I am going to continue to test it on people and gather their reports. Perhaps I will continue to post them here.

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on August 07, 2013
at 03:38 AM

Reaks of bullshit to me. Read the whole text

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on June 10, 2013
at 09:01 PM

Have you done blinded or double-blind tests on yourself? It should be very easy to use the same device but invisibly vary whether it's connected to the ground.

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on June 10, 2013
at 06:30 PM

Awesome! I am def investing in a pair!

9e6b9b3939c20089ddf7ff881c004fad

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on June 07, 2013
at 12:04 AM

I like being grounded while a sleep a lot, so the earthing pad I paid $140 for was well worth it, since I am not going to sleep outside on the ground. My sleep is very much improved with it, and seems to get better every night. I have amazing dreams and wake up with tons of energy. I have been having hot flashes and always feeling hot or cold for many years. GONE. Two weeks of sleeping with the earthing product. Amazing.

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on February 08, 2013
at 03:39 AM

I am skeptical, but willing to accept a possibility that it could have an influence. If you are paleo at all then you have to understand that you are doing something that nobody but a total crackpot practicing "bogus science" who doesn't know anything about medicine, health, or nutrition would have advocated 20 years ago. Given that, I won't exclude grounding yet.

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on February 05, 2013
at 05:00 PM

Want to know the problem with the study you shared? This: "Disclosure G. Chevalier, S. T. Sinatra, and J. L. Oschman are independent contractors for Earthx L. Inc., the company sponsoring earthing research, and own a small percentage of shares in the company." The authors of the study want very much to sell you grounded bed sheets. Why are there no real studies on earthing? Because is bogus!

61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

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on February 04, 2013
at 03:58 AM

Actually, the most 'ungrounded' a person could get is driving in a car. Not only are you not grounded, but the car whizzing through the air causes a buildup of thousands of volts of electricity. When driving, you are in a huge static electricity bubble and the ignition coil puts out 30,000 volts to the spark plugs thousands of times per minute. "Earthing' is bogus science! All the studies posted above were by people affiliated with the 'Earthing Society'. There are no legit studies. Why? Because it's silly. It only appeals to those who don't know anything about electricty.

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on August 10, 2012
at 05:53 PM

QJenny J - FYI Its really only the surface of your skin thats a fairly good insulator because it is "relatively" dry. You can be killed quite easily with a car battery (12V) if you are wet. If you were to insert pins through your skin into your subdermal layers and apply the car battery you could easily be killed as well.

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on April 05, 2012
at 05:38 PM

Thanks for your excellent treatment of the earthing issue. I wrote the wikihow article that you used as a source. I would appreciate it if you would post your positive comments on the discussion page at the wikihow article. That would help reassure other visitors that it's safe and effective. I particularly liked your comment about checking the patents to make sure all the safety measures were incorporated in the home-made version. Stay grounded! ~ Jonathan

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on March 14, 2012
at 03:53 AM

When it comes to charge and electrons and movement of charges, I don't see how some areas can selectively be impacted in a positive way. Charge is not picky, it will just charge and uncharge as it moves through area, so it just makes sense that if it somehow moved to these areas where it causes a big positive effect, it would somehow miss effecting the areas that would be negatively effected.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

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on March 14, 2012
at 03:00 AM

What is the basis for your assumption that a positive effect must necessarily be linked to a negative effect?

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:58 AM

I also think you are making some big assumptions in this last comment that are not substantiated. Overall, you are trying to hypothesize how the entire innerworkings of the human body would be affected by this. That's a big task! It's going to take a lot of assumptions and a lot of overlooking of certain factors. I think until more studies come out that go into greater detail, we can only show that "Yes, something does happen here."

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:57 AM

But how would it have these powerful positive effects if it didn't really impact charge differences and create negative effects in other areas?

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:55 AM

In response to your latest comment: then we are right back to the original statement that this can be no more dangerous than walking around barefoot.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:54 AM

That was a response to the comment before your latest.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:53 AM

Yes. I don't know the answer to this.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:51 AM

I guess when I am thinking of it as a disruptive factor, I'm thinking of how the only current that can really run through us has to be substantial, otherwise it just stops on the surface. If this is powerful enough to change the overall charge of a body, there has to be a larger voltage factor and therefore presumably stronger effects. What is a "good" charge in one part of the body is a "bad" charge one membrane's width away, so surely if it made things go "right" it would have to make a few other things go "wrong".

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:48 AM

What do you mean electrons would only interact with certain charges? Like, certain charged areas of the body?

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:45 AM

Would all charges have to be altered slightly? Or is it possible that the electrons only interact with certain charges? And if all the charges are altered, how do we know this is a disruptive factor (which I think you are assuming)?

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:42 AM

This is a great conversation, but I think we should add an important note to anyone reading here: **this is all speculation on my and Jenny J's part as to how grounding may or may not function, none of this is based on any of the scientific findings**

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:42 AM

So all charges (by induction, presumably, given our composition) would be altered slightly? But wouldn't that require a physical overhaul of sodium potassium pumps and nerve endings, seeing as their length, composition, shape and width are specified for their interaction with a certain amount of energy?

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:41 AM

Granted something would have to change on a microcosmic scale given the overall change that the human body potential experiences, but we do not have to think of this as a complete 'wiping out' of all the potentials across membranes.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:39 AM

Even though the potential would change on a body-wide scale, this does not necessarily mean that change would occur on a membrane scale. Think of the body as a collective of all of its positive and negative charges, which would add up to some collective charge. This collective charge could be altered without necessarily altering all the individual charges that the human body needs to function. In fact we could even hypothesize that the individual charges would function better given the collective charge change of the human body.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:37 AM

Yes, I took two years of physics in university. The human body uses potential for many, many reactions. What I am confused about is about how an insulator could be so affected by an internal potential charge, and how it could continuously discharge this potential everytime it touched the earth without changing all these very important potential-dependant reactions.

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:35 AM

I am going to try to explain this as I understand it. I think you are confused by the term 'potential energy.' As you said, we are talking about a difference across two points: here, our bodies and the earth. Earth has a slightly negative charge compared with an ungrounded body. So when you become grounded, electrons will move across that potential difference, into the body, thereby eliminating the difference. The earth is so large and has such a vast supply of electrons that it is effectively unaffected by this transfer. But the human body now has the same potential as the earth.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:34 AM

Sorry, typo, why would we LOSE potential energy and not gain some kind of energy from the earth.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:31 AM

I mean, what about certain hormones, and not others, are specifically effective by a body-wide change in potential? How would the potential charge travel through the tissues? It certainly would meet enough resistance to hardly get up your legs. Maybe if you were lying on the ground, but it would change depending on your fat content, if you were hydrated, your mineral content, etc. Even getting through the subcutaneous layer of fat would be difficult for a substantial charge. Does the charge "build up" over time, or is it discharged with contact?

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:28 AM

I'm sorry I am confused, what do you mean 'gain potential energy?'

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:26 AM

And how would a body-wide change in polarization only change some aspects of the body, without completely messing up synapses and cell transport? If it is so important and so highly regulated to have exact voltages in potential differences across membranes and we were picking up and losing charge by touching things all the time, wouldn't that completely mess everything up? Isn't that the point of being highly insulated in the first place, so that our heart can beat, materials can be transported across membranes etc?

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:26 AM

I have heard that you usually have to have a solid mechanism proposed to get published in a high-level journal. The study only really shows that changes in the body are occurring and pushes for more research to be done. Nothing in the second study (again, what I consider to be the one solid study here) gets to a molecular level.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:25 AM

I have heard that you usually have to have a solid mechanism proposed to get published in a high-level journal. The study only really shows that change in the body are occurring and pushes for more research to be done. Nothing in the second study (again, what I consider to be the one solid study here) gets to a molecular level.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:24 AM

Clearly this is not mainstream science. Furthermore, I have heard that you usually have to have a solid mechanism proposed to get published in a high-level journal. The study only really shows that change in the body are occurring and pushes for more research to be done. Nothing in the second study (again, what I consider to be the one solid study here) gets to a molecular level.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:24 AM

I just don't get that though- if we are very slightly conductive, why would we gain potential energy with touching the earth? Wouldn't be just discharge the energy (since it would just be a slight polarization of external molecules) on the next contact with, say, your stapler or a door knob? And why would it be potential energy- what about electrons trying to move down to lower potential? Wouldn't we just counter the difference on the contact points of the earth?

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:22 AM

For some reason I can't get the download on the second one? The MA and MD make my skeptical light go off, but I have been trying to remind myself that titles are abused to convince us of things...The joules/volts I was just being sassy, because technically you were talking about energy (joules).

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:21 AM

Even though we are more insulator than conductor, we still conduct. Resistance changes the current of an electrical system, but it does not 'stop' the system from functioning. If you think of electricity as a pipe of water, resistance in this analogy would slow the flow of the water. But that doesn't mean the water does not flow...

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:17 AM

Yeah good point. Orientation is the wrong word. Maybe like the molecules would be polarized a little in a uniform way, not really moving.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:11 AM

Man, for some reason even though I'm on my university network, the text is all cut up. Can't download it as a PDF, it's just on the screen but there are just excerpts from each section. Anyways, I'm having a hard time with a study done by an MD and a MA in this journal (which has a history of tending towards only publishing positive results). Makes me wary if the results were good, why it couldn't get published in a better journal. Could be something politics or logistic, it just makes me skeptical right off the bat...maybe I'm just cynical, haha

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:11 AM

Also, like I said in my question - one study fits all the necessary criteria for a solid study - relatively large sample size (I suppose this is debatable, though), control group, double blind, and the researcher had no financial incentive. This is the second study that Lady_Arwen linked to.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:09 AM

I suppose it would have been clearer to say "high voltage in comparison to the earth." I will change this. Subjects were measured using a voltmeter, their potential being compared to the earth's. We are talking potential energy difference here, not potential energy. Obviously, right? Joules are of no use here.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:05 AM

Hm, all I saw was the placebo, I'll have to scan closer..

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:01 AM

The second study is double-blind in each of the five experiments. The paper verifies this.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 01:59 AM

Okay, but most of human tissue is one big resistor. Think of how fast we discharge static (next touch on metal) or how we can't get zapped by touching a battery. We are hundreds to hundreds of thousands of ohms of resistance for every body tissue, which is why it takes a heck of a lot of voltage to electrocute us. If most human tissue is just as insulating as vinyl- so wouldn't we just be insulated as a human being already? Slight polarization on the surface, charge discharged on next contact?

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 14, 2012
at 01:57 AM

See, that doesn't really make sense about alignment because all of our cells already function with very specific, highly regulated potential differences (think of how vitally important the sodium potassium pump is). Any change in "alignment" would change fundamentally the function of every cell, and that would seem like a bad idea. I don't think that makes sense..

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 14, 2012
at 01:50 AM

Second link-out doesn't look double blinded either.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 14, 2012
at 01:50 AM

I checked out the first study, it's not double blinded...

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 14, 2012
at 01:08 AM

Awesome! Homemade device like the original poster, or purchased device?

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 13, 2012
at 11:45 PM

picture added to the question

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

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on March 13, 2012
at 07:07 PM

Yes, I have used earthing for this sprain or pulled muscle on my left wrist in early January this year. I actually couldn't work or drive for several weeks. The funny thing is that there was no redness or outward inflammation, but it hurt like hell. Earthing worked better then heat and ice (20 min of each 5 times a day). I was willing to try anything but drugs. I also upped my bone broth and Vitamin C, but I saw effects with the Earthing after 1 night, which is when I stopped the heat/ice.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

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on March 13, 2012
at 06:59 PM

All right Kamal you blew my cover! Now I can't ask embarrassing questions on PH??!! LOL

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

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on March 11, 2012
at 05:23 PM

Thanks for the links Lady_Arwen. I'd encourage any reader to look at these, especially the second one, which I mentioned in my question (it is the five experiments paper). Click "Free PMC Article" under the abstract. Care to give an opinion on it, Lady Arwen?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 11, 2012
at 05:10 PM

Hold on, I know you!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 11, 2012
at 05:09 PM

Lady-Arwen- have you earthed using devices, to supplement good ol' fashioned walking on earth?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 11, 2012
at 04:58 PM

Ha! Except now I want to try a pair.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

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on March 11, 2012
at 04:57 PM

Carpeted concrete, wood, and vinyl flooring is an insulator and blocks grounding. Insulators will NOT ground you -they do the opposite. Most socks and shoes (rubber, wood, etc.) are insulating, as is asphalt. Sealed or painted concrete will not conduct but otherwise will since it is made from water and minerals. It seems that 15-40 minutes a day barefoot should be sufficient for grounding, depending on the level of chronic inflammation.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 11, 2012
at 04:56 PM

College- I'm afraid I don't have anything unique to say. The physics theoretically seems to make sense, but that doesn't mean the effect is all that the writers claim. I did try to increase my time on the ground last summer because it feels good. Also, I thought about rigging up a contraption like you did, but didn't end up doing it. Thanks for bringing this up again, I'd like to cover it on my pain website at some point, by critically looking at the trials that have been done and asking a real physicist or two about it.

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on March 11, 2012
at 04:29 PM

Electrons moving implies electronic potential and a closed circuit. This is about charge. Think of a human standing on the ground wondering if lightning will strike. Say the ground potential is represented by minus signs, and the sky the plus signs. If you are standing on the ground and grounded, the top of your head now has the same potential as the ground, so there are minus signs around your head too. If lightning is going to strike, now the shortest path is to you. Grounding simply puts you at the same potential (+/-) as the ground.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on March 11, 2012
at 02:48 PM

Would be great if you could share a picture of your "device".

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

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on March 11, 2012
at 04:48 AM

Kamal, thank you for your compliment above. I certainly will continue to ask more questions :). I'd love to hear your opinion as well as The Quilt's on the grounding issue, if you have one.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

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on March 11, 2012
at 04:32 AM

Actually... (1) http://juil.com/index.php (2) http://www.waterfallnaturals.com/Earthing_Flip_flops_p/0025.htm

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

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on March 11, 2012
at 04:30 AM

Actually... http://www.waterfallnaturals.com/Earthing_Flip_flops_p/0025.htm http://juil.com/index.php

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on March 11, 2012
at 01:36 AM

...let's start a new question...

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on March 11, 2012
at 01:30 AM

Warm and cold adapted humans have completely different physiologies and that is a point i hope people begin to consider as they chose the pathway they want to live on. We can no longer generalize physiologic findings to all people when they were not controlled for when they were studied.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on March 11, 2012
at 01:16 AM

Matt LaLonde mentioned it on his Q & A on Jimmy Moore. After hearing more about Jack, I would say they both might be right. Jack says all the stuff that the experts "know" is for a warm-adapted people, and that would include most swimmers who spend their time in carefully-controlled pools.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 11, 2012
at 12:28 AM

Loon- I believe you asked a question about subcutaneous fat and cold water on UG Wellness? Anywho, I looked into it a little bit and you appear to be right. A mix of glycogen and fat is used depending on the length of exposure and temperature, but upon chronic exposure, subcutaneous fat storage become more likely.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

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on March 11, 2012
at 12:15 AM

Eric, while going outside barefoot is a great solution, there are obvious limits to it, i.e. in cold weather and, most importantly I think, during sleep.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

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on March 11, 2012
at 12:14 AM

LikesLardinMayo, lightening is unpredictable. The best bet would be to unground yourself during a lightening storm. Yes, you'd be more likely to get hit if you were grounded, but if there was something taller than you that was also grounded, that would probably be more likely to get hit. Nonetheless, being ungrounded during a lightening storm is the best option.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 11, 2012
at 12:06 AM

You are excellent at formatting questions. You should ask more questions :)

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on March 10, 2012
at 11:14 PM

In Lightning country electricity will find the quickest way to ground. Is he human body+copper wire a better conductor than air? If so that could be a major health issue.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

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on March 10, 2012
at 11:01 PM

Good observation. But with some simple testing we could verify that the ground was indeed grounded. Furthermore, for those willing to replicate the experiment themselves without using home wiring, a copper rod stuck in the ground with a wire running into the bedroom of the house would do the same.

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on March 10, 2012
at 10:51 PM

It is very paleo to go outside and walk barefoot on the beach or in grass. However plugging things in to a ground plug is not a good idea as not all homes are wired correctly.

My vote would be to go outside and have fun instead of stay inside with my feet on a mat...

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 11, 2012
at 12:14 AM

LikesLardinMayo, lightening is unpredictable. The best bet would be to unground yourself during a lightening storm. Yes, you'd be more likely to get hit if you were grounded, but if there was something taller than you that was also grounded, that would probably be more likely to get hit. Nonetheless, being ungrounded during a lightening storm is the best option.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 10, 2012
at 11:01 PM

Good observation. But with some simple testing we could verify that the ground was indeed grounded. Furthermore, for those willing to replicate the experiment themselves without using home wiring, a copper rod stuck in the ground with a wire running into the bedroom of the house would do the same.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 11, 2012
at 12:15 AM

Eric, while going outside barefoot is a great solution, there are obvious limits to it, i.e. in cold weather and, most importantly I think, during sleep.

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on March 10, 2012
at 11:14 PM

In Lightning country electricity will find the quickest way to ground. Is he human body+copper wire a better conductor than air? If so that could be a major health issue.

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8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

on March 11, 2012
at 04:44 PM

The Earthing: the most important health discovery ever? book (260 pp) by Ober, Sinatra (MD), and Zucker is a quick read and intro. I was skeptical until a close PhD physicist friend brought it to my attention. The links will take you to complete free pdf downloads.

One thing is certain: our ancestral environment was grounded AND the modern environment doesn't appear to be very grounded.

Double blind studies included:

1) cortisol normalization

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15650465

J Altern Complement Med. 2004 Oct;10(5):767-76. The biologic effects of grounding the human body during sleep as measured by cortisol levels and subjective reporting of sleep, pain, and stress. Ghaly M, Teplitz D.

2) calcium-phosphatase, magnesium, potassium,iron, electrolytes, thyroid, glucose, etc.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21469913

J Altern Complement Med. 2011 Apr;17(4):301-8. Epub 2011 Apr 6. Earthing the human body influences physiologic processes. Sokal K, Sokal P. Source Department of Ambulatory Cardiology, Military Clinical Hospital, Powstancow Warszawy 5, Bydgoszcz, Poland. [email protected]

3) pain, muscle soreness

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22291721

J Environ Public Health. 2012;2012:291541. Epub 2012 Jan 12. Earthing: health implications of reconnecting the human body to the Earth's surface electrons. Chevalier G, Sinatra ST, Oschman JL, Sokal K, Sokal P. Source Developmental and Cell Biology Department, University of California at Irvine, Irvine, CA 92697, USA. [email protected]

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on March 11, 2012
at 05:10 PM

Hold on, I know you!

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 11, 2012
at 05:23 PM

Thanks for the links Lady_Arwen. I'd encourage any reader to look at these, especially the second one, which I mentioned in my question (it is the five experiments paper). Click "Free PMC Article" under the abstract. Care to give an opinion on it, Lady Arwen?

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on March 11, 2012
at 05:09 PM

Lady-Arwen- have you earthed using devices, to supplement good ol' fashioned walking on earth?

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on March 14, 2012
at 01:50 AM

I checked out the first study, it's not double blinded...

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on March 13, 2012
at 06:59 PM

All right Kamal you blew my cover! Now I can't ask embarrassing questions on PH??!! LOL

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:25 AM

I have heard that you usually have to have a solid mechanism proposed to get published in a high-level journal. The study only really shows that change in the body are occurring and pushes for more research to be done. Nothing in the second study (again, what I consider to be the one solid study here) gets to a molecular level.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:24 AM

Clearly this is not mainstream science. Furthermore, I have heard that you usually have to have a solid mechanism proposed to get published in a high-level journal. The study only really shows that change in the body are occurring and pushes for more research to be done. Nothing in the second study (again, what I consider to be the one solid study here) gets to a molecular level.

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on March 13, 2012
at 07:07 PM

Yes, I have used earthing for this sprain or pulled muscle on my left wrist in early January this year. I actually couldn't work or drive for several weeks. The funny thing is that there was no redness or outward inflammation, but it hurt like hell. Earthing worked better then heat and ice (20 min of each 5 times a day). I was willing to try anything but drugs. I also upped my bone broth and Vitamin C, but I saw effects with the Earthing after 1 night, which is when I stopped the heat/ice.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:01 AM

The second study is double-blind in each of the five experiments. The paper verifies this.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:05 AM

Hm, all I saw was the placebo, I'll have to scan closer..

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 01:50 AM

Second link-out doesn't look double blinded either.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:26 AM

I have heard that you usually have to have a solid mechanism proposed to get published in a high-level journal. The study only really shows that changes in the body are occurring and pushes for more research to be done. Nothing in the second study (again, what I consider to be the one solid study here) gets to a molecular level.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on March 14, 2012
at 01:08 AM

Awesome! Homemade device like the original poster, or purchased device?

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:11 AM

Man, for some reason even though I'm on my university network, the text is all cut up. Can't download it as a PDF, it's just on the screen but there are just excerpts from each section. Anyways, I'm having a hard time with a study done by an MD and a MA in this journal (which has a history of tending towards only publishing positive results). Makes me wary if the results were good, why it couldn't get published in a better journal. Could be something politics or logistic, it just makes me skeptical right off the bat...maybe I'm just cynical, haha

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on March 11, 2012
at 03:59 AM

About time they invented conductive flip flops and and conductive shoes..

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 11, 2012
at 04:32 AM

Actually... (1) http://juil.com/index.php (2) http://www.waterfallnaturals.com/Earthing_Flip_flops_p/0025.htm

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 11, 2012
at 04:30 AM

Actually... http://www.waterfallnaturals.com/Earthing_Flip_flops_p/0025.htm http://juil.com/index.php

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on March 11, 2012
at 04:58 PM

Ha! Except now I want to try a pair.

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518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 14, 2012
at 01:54 AM

I find this confusing because human skin is more an insulator than a conductor. Body resistance can be anywhere from hundreds to hundreds of thousands of ohms depending on the tissue. Doesn't this kind of bite the basis of the treatment because we are more insulator than conductor? Think of when you touch a battery-nothing! It takes a whole lot of energy ex lightening to get through us.

Potential energy, in terms of electrostatics, occurs when a charged particle moves in the opposite directions of an electric field. In a system, it can be defined as the amount of work that must be done to assemble the system at infinity. Every charge would rather move to an area of lower potential- charge always moves away from higher potential, towards lower potential (and therefore more kinetic, more disorder/movement etc). It's kind of blowing my mind to try and think of these principles on a large scale, but all I can think of is how much that would mess up cell transport which relies on very specific voltage differences that is highly regulated by sodium-potassium pumps. The whole body is very finely tuned with specific potential gradients and electrostatic interactions, it seems highly, highly unlikely that touching the ground could selectively impact you in a positive way by changing your electrostatics, and not create havoc for cell signalling, cell transport, and nerve synapses.

Those studies are pretty financially invested, and none of them are double blinded. Only one had a placebo group. I'm very skeptical about this, I'm thinking our powerful, and useful, but confusing friend "the placebo effect" is at work here.

Also, technically potential energy is measured in joules, while potential energy difference is measured in volts ;)

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:42 AM

This is a great conversation, but I think we should add an important note to anyone reading here: **this is all speculation on my and Jenny J's part as to how grounding may or may not function, none of this is based on any of the scientific findings**

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:34 AM

Sorry, typo, why would we LOSE potential energy and not gain some kind of energy from the earth.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:28 AM

I'm sorry I am confused, what do you mean 'gain potential energy?'

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 03:00 AM

What is the basis for your assumption that a positive effect must necessarily be linked to a negative effect?

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:26 AM

And how would a body-wide change in polarization only change some aspects of the body, without completely messing up synapses and cell transport? If it is so important and so highly regulated to have exact voltages in potential differences across membranes and we were picking up and losing charge by touching things all the time, wouldn't that completely mess everything up? Isn't that the point of being highly insulated in the first place, so that our heart can beat, materials can be transported across membranes etc?

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:54 AM

That was a response to the comment before your latest.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:21 AM

Even though we are more insulator than conductor, we still conduct. Resistance changes the current of an electrical system, but it does not 'stop' the system from functioning. If you think of electricity as a pipe of water, resistance in this analogy would slow the flow of the water. But that doesn't mean the water does not flow...

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:55 AM

In response to your latest comment: then we are right back to the original statement that this can be no more dangerous than walking around barefoot.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:37 AM

Yes, I took two years of physics in university. The human body uses potential for many, many reactions. What I am confused about is about how an insulator could be so affected by an internal potential charge, and how it could continuously discharge this potential everytime it touched the earth without changing all these very important potential-dependant reactions.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 03:53 AM

When it comes to charge and electrons and movement of charges, I don't see how some areas can selectively be impacted in a positive way. Charge is not picky, it will just charge and uncharge as it moves through area, so it just makes sense that if it somehow moved to these areas where it causes a big positive effect, it would somehow miss effecting the areas that would be negatively effected.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:11 AM

Also, like I said in my question - one study fits all the necessary criteria for a solid study - relatively large sample size (I suppose this is debatable, though), control group, double blind, and the researcher had no financial incentive. This is the second study that Lady_Arwen linked to.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:48 AM

What do you mean electrons would only interact with certain charges? Like, certain charged areas of the body?

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:45 AM

Would all charges have to be altered slightly? Or is it possible that the electrons only interact with certain charges? And if all the charges are altered, how do we know this is a disruptive factor (which I think you are assuming)?

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:09 AM

I suppose it would have been clearer to say "high voltage in comparison to the earth." I will change this. Subjects were measured using a voltmeter, their potential being compared to the earth's. We are talking potential energy difference here, not potential energy. Obviously, right? Joules are of no use here.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:53 AM

Yes. I don't know the answer to this.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:31 AM

I mean, what about certain hormones, and not others, are specifically effective by a body-wide change in potential? How would the potential charge travel through the tissues? It certainly would meet enough resistance to hardly get up your legs. Maybe if you were lying on the ground, but it would change depending on your fat content, if you were hydrated, your mineral content, etc. Even getting through the subcutaneous layer of fat would be difficult for a substantial charge. Does the charge "build up" over time, or is it discharged with contact?

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:58 AM

I also think you are making some big assumptions in this last comment that are not substantiated. Overall, you are trying to hypothesize how the entire innerworkings of the human body would be affected by this. That's a big task! It's going to take a lot of assumptions and a lot of overlooking of certain factors. I think until more studies come out that go into greater detail, we can only show that "Yes, something does happen here."

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:22 AM

For some reason I can't get the download on the second one? The MA and MD make my skeptical light go off, but I have been trying to remind myself that titles are abused to convince us of things...The joules/volts I was just being sassy, because technically you were talking about energy (joules).

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:42 AM

So all charges (by induction, presumably, given our composition) would be altered slightly? But wouldn't that require a physical overhaul of sodium potassium pumps and nerve endings, seeing as their length, composition, shape and width are specified for their interaction with a certain amount of energy?

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 14, 2012
at 02:24 AM

I just don't get that though- if we are very slightly conductive, why would we gain potential energy with touching the earth? Wouldn't be just discharge the energy (since it would just be a slight polarization of external molecules) on the next contact with, say, your stapler or a door knob? And why would it be potential energy- what about electrons trying to move down to lower potential? Wouldn't we just counter the difference on the contact points of the earth?

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:51 AM

I guess when I am thinking of it as a disruptive factor, I'm thinking of how the only current that can really run through us has to be substantial, otherwise it just stops on the surface. If this is powerful enough to change the overall charge of a body, there has to be a larger voltage factor and therefore presumably stronger effects. What is a "good" charge in one part of the body is a "bad" charge one membrane's width away, so surely if it made things go "right" it would have to make a few other things go "wrong".

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:57 AM

But how would it have these powerful positive effects if it didn't really impact charge differences and create negative effects in other areas?

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:35 AM

I am going to try to explain this as I understand it. I think you are confused by the term 'potential energy.' As you said, we are talking about a difference across two points: here, our bodies and the earth. Earth has a slightly negative charge compared with an ungrounded body. So when you become grounded, electrons will move across that potential difference, into the body, thereby eliminating the difference. The earth is so large and has such a vast supply of electrons that it is effectively unaffected by this transfer. But the human body now has the same potential as the earth.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:41 AM

Granted something would have to change on a microcosmic scale given the overall change that the human body potential experiences, but we do not have to think of this as a complete 'wiping out' of all the potentials across membranes.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:39 AM

Even though the potential would change on a body-wide scale, this does not necessarily mean that change would occur on a membrane scale. Think of the body as a collective of all of its positive and negative charges, which would add up to some collective charge. This collective charge could be altered without necessarily altering all the individual charges that the human body needs to function. In fact we could even hypothesize that the individual charges would function better given the collective charge change of the human body.

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(3651)

on March 14, 2012
at 12:25 AM

This is a great topic. I liked Sisson's review of it. He is right to be skeptical and still acknowledge that something must be going on.

I think Fact #2 deserves a closer look.

I'm thinking about it this way. (See above comment somewhere about what happens when you are grounded or not during lightning). In one case, grounded, if the sky has a different potential than the ground (think of +/- signs), then you and the ground would be "-" and the sky "+"

I'm pretty sure this would align any molecules in your body that respond to a difference in potential. Something like, water. Water is a polar molecule.

So are we talking about the molecules in your body and their orientation? Wonder what goes on in your brain if that's the case. Nah!

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 01:57 AM

See, that doesn't really make sense about alignment because all of our cells already function with very specific, highly regulated potential differences (think of how vitally important the sodium potassium pump is). Any change in "alignment" would change fundamentally the function of every cell, and that would seem like a bad idea. I don't think that makes sense..

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(3651)

on March 14, 2012
at 02:17 AM

Yeah good point. Orientation is the wrong word. Maybe like the molecules would be polarized a little in a uniform way, not really moving.

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on March 11, 2012
at 02:51 PM

The idea of buying a device instead of just walking barefoot makes me want to bang my head into a wall. I understand without the pad they won't have a product to sell and can't make any money off it, but just touch the ground, people. How far removed from nature are we that that is a major problem? end rant

I wonder if physics people can answer some questions.

  1. To what extend are you grounded walking barefoot in an apartment or a house, and on different types of flooring. I'm always barefoot at home on ceramic types and (fake) wood floors. Does that ground you?

  2. Once you walk barefoot on the ground, do the electrons immediately rush to your body. In other words, is it enough to touch the ground momentarily for the effect or is one hour better than one minute. If it is instantaneous, there is really no reason to buy their product to sleep on a grounded bed.

  3. Once you are grounded, how long does it take you to get significantly ungrounded? I was at the beach yesterday (yeah!). How long before I'm my missing electrons?

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(6244)

on March 11, 2012
at 04:57 PM

Carpeted concrete, wood, and vinyl flooring is an insulator and blocks grounding. Insulators will NOT ground you -they do the opposite. Most socks and shoes (rubber, wood, etc.) are insulating, as is asphalt. Sealed or painted concrete will not conduct but otherwise will since it is made from water and minerals. It seems that 15-40 minutes a day barefoot should be sufficient for grounding, depending on the level of chronic inflammation.

E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

(3651)

on March 11, 2012
at 04:29 PM

Electrons moving implies electronic potential and a closed circuit. This is about charge. Think of a human standing on the ground wondering if lightning will strike. Say the ground potential is represented by minus signs, and the sky the plus signs. If you are standing on the ground and grounded, the top of your head now has the same potential as the ground, so there are minus signs around your head too. If lightning is going to strike, now the shortest path is to you. Grounding simply puts you at the same potential (+/-) as the ground.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 14, 2012
at 01:59 AM

Okay, but most of human tissue is one big resistor. Think of how fast we discharge static (next touch on metal) or how we can't get zapped by touching a battery. We are hundreds to hundreds of thousands of ohms of resistance for every body tissue, which is why it takes a heck of a lot of voltage to electrocute us. If most human tissue is just as insulating as vinyl- so wouldn't we just be insulated as a human being already? Slight polarization on the surface, charge discharged on next contact?

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on August 10, 2012
at 05:53 PM

QJenny J - FYI Its really only the surface of your skin thats a fairly good insulator because it is "relatively" dry. You can be killed quite easily with a car battery (12V) if you are wet. If you were to insert pins through your skin into your subdermal layers and apply the car battery you could easily be killed as well.

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on June 07, 2013
at 12:04 AM

I like being grounded while a sleep a lot, so the earthing pad I paid $140 for was well worth it, since I am not going to sleep outside on the ground. My sleep is very much improved with it, and seems to get better every night. I have amazing dreams and wake up with tons of energy. I have been having hot flashes and always feeling hot or cold for many years. GONE. Two weeks of sleeping with the earthing product. Amazing.

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on February 05, 2013
at 06:26 AM

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3265077/

The research done to date supports the concept that grounding or earthing the human body may be an essential element in the health equation along with sunshine, clean air and water, nutritious food, and physical activity.

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on February 05, 2013
at 05:00 PM

Want to know the problem with the study you shared? This: "Disclosure G. Chevalier, S. T. Sinatra, and J. L. Oschman are independent contractors for Earthx L. Inc., the company sponsoring earthing research, and own a small percentage of shares in the company." The authors of the study want very much to sell you grounded bed sheets. Why are there no real studies on earthing? Because is bogus!

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on August 07, 2013
at 03:38 AM

Reaks of bullshit to me. Read the whole text

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on March 11, 2012
at 12:55 AM

I would not scoff at it or write it off at all. If we were to disregard every study done by those with a vested interest in the outcomes......lets just say I'm skeptical if there is much unbiased science these days. I'm not exactly running out to ground myself tonight, but I'll definitely keep an eye on this.

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on March 11, 2012
at 12:21 AM

I think it is a really interesting theory which I would like to try myself by putting my feet on my own dirt. But seriously, don't we all love to take off our shoes and walk on the beach or run in the grass? Everyone, every culture, everywhere. So I'd say there's probably something to this.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 11, 2012
at 01:30 AM

Warm and cold adapted humans have completely different physiologies and that is a point i hope people begin to consider as they chose the pathway they want to live on. We can no longer generalize physiologic findings to all people when they were not controlled for when they were studied.

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on March 11, 2012
at 01:36 AM

...let's start a new question...

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on March 11, 2012
at 12:28 AM

Loon- I believe you asked a question about subcutaneous fat and cold water on UG Wellness? Anywho, I looked into it a little bit and you appear to be right. A mix of glycogen and fat is used depending on the length of exposure and temperature, but upon chronic exposure, subcutaneous fat storage become more likely.

97ffbac59e88bdff6495d0a9b6f70ff7

(555)

on March 11, 2012
at 04:48 AM

Kamal, thank you for your compliment above. I certainly will continue to ask more questions :). I'd love to hear your opinion as well as The Quilt's on the grounding issue, if you have one.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on March 11, 2012
at 01:16 AM

Matt LaLonde mentioned it on his Q & A on Jimmy Moore. After hearing more about Jack, I would say they both might be right. Jack says all the stuff that the experts "know" is for a warm-adapted people, and that would include most swimmers who spend their time in carefully-controlled pools.

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(24543)

on March 11, 2012
at 04:56 PM

College- I'm afraid I don't have anything unique to say. The physics theoretically seems to make sense, but that doesn't mean the effect is all that the writers claim. I did try to increase my time on the ground last summer because it feels good. Also, I thought about rigging up a contraption like you did, but didn't end up doing it. Thanks for bringing this up again, I'd like to cover it on my pain website at some point, by critically looking at the trials that have been done and asking a real physicist or two about it.

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on March 10, 2012
at 11:53 PM

College,

I like your presentation on the question. I'm very interested in the possible beneficial effects. I've been standing barefoot on earth every morning for a few weeks. I was going to say that: "It seems to relieve morning joint stiffness" but I knew hilarity would follow immediately. So, I'll say: It makes me feel better". Anyway, I look forward to others experiences, experiments and input.

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on December 05, 2013
at 02:16 AM

So can I simply run a wire from my alarm clock (grounded via a three-prong plug) and sleep on the wire, with my occasional contact w/it serving to ground me, then see if it helps in any way?

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on December 04, 2013
at 05:14 AM

The physics as proposed by grounding experts is all wrong http://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/01/26/more-mercola-misinformation-grounding-in-reverse/

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on June 10, 2013
at 07:33 PM

Anyone who thinks they are not earthed right now, at this very second:

Go and touch the live pin of a light outlet or the bus bar in your consumer unit/fuse box.

If you're not earthed, the current will have nowhere to go to as there will be no continuity to earth to get back to the sub-station transformer.

No takers? Thought not.

Utter rubbish.

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on June 10, 2013
at 07:32 PM

Walking barefoot stone, dirt and especially grass all feel great, for that reason alone it's healthy for you to feel the earth beneath your feet.

I wear barefoot style shoes which are great for helping you walk properly but they all have rubber soles which even at 3mm thick with full flexibility still make you feel disconnected from the ground, there's something missing.

Should we all be sleeping with our heads pointing north aswell? Half joke half seriously asking

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on June 10, 2013
at 05:29 PM

I am not really comfortable walking barefoot (like Aggjc from two posts above), but really wanted to experience the benefits of earthing...

Last week I bought a pair of "Groundals"-- slip-on sandals with a fully grounded footbed-- from www.GetGroundedFootwear.com. Now I can be grounded while on the go. I feel really good about it and am happy with the product.

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on June 10, 2013
at 06:30 PM

Awesome! I am def investing in a pair!

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on February 05, 2013
at 08:15 AM

During the summer, I spend WEEKS on my narrow boat, cruising the canals in the UK. It is obviously in water, it is made of steel, and I spend much of the day sitting on, standing on or touching metal which is in water.

I sleep so well on board and feel extremely well. I had put this down to the fact that I walk a lot more and opening / closing lock gates is strenuous exercise. (At home I don't do nearly as much exercise, and don't sleep well).

Is it the exercise - or is the boat constantly grounding me? I hear so many other boaters stating that they feel very well and sleep better on board - can this be linked??

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on February 04, 2013
at 07:56 PM

I think with something like this, until further research is done, there is only one way to move forward - Buy a unit and see for yourself.

As to the argument that we need to just, "walk around outside more" and not stay cooped up indoors on a mat - I would agree... except that I do not believe Grok lived in an apartment complex where dirty needles and god-knows-what-else are abundant on the ground. Just a thought.

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on February 04, 2013
at 12:59 AM

Here are some thoughts on earthing/grounding:

Wouldn't taking a shower ground a person?

It seems that the least grounded a person could be would be in an airplane, or the space station (where the astronauts not only don't touch the ground, but don't even tough the earth's atmosphere). Has NASA or the military studied this? I know astronauts on the space station sleep so badly that they take medication and their performance suffers after a few days.

In the Amazon reviews several people say they got no positive effect. But that would make sense if they were somehow already grounded. Isn't it likely that some homes would be grounded somehow?

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on February 04, 2013
at 03:58 AM

Actually, the most 'ungrounded' a person could get is driving in a car. Not only are you not grounded, but the car whizzing through the air causes a buildup of thousands of volts of electricity. When driving, you are in a huge static electricity bubble and the ignition coil puts out 30,000 volts to the spark plugs thousands of times per minute. "Earthing' is bogus science! All the studies posted above were by people affiliated with the 'Earthing Society'. There are no legit studies. Why? Because it's silly. It only appeals to those who don't know anything about electricty.

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on February 08, 2013
at 03:39 AM

I am skeptical, but willing to accept a possibility that it could have an influence. If you are paleo at all then you have to understand that you are doing something that nobody but a total crackpot practicing "bogus science" who doesn't know anything about medicine, health, or nutrition would have advocated 20 years ago. Given that, I won't exclude grounding yet.

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on August 10, 2012
at 05:30 PM

The wikihow article mentioned in your post was deleted. The new address for the earthing instructions is http://naturesplatform.com/earthing.html

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