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What do you think of Jack Kruse's EMF 2 blogpost?

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Created January 26, 2013 at 4:32 AM

Dr. Kruse's latest blog post mentions the problems with EMF and health. What do you think? Is using a cell phone really as bad as he thinks?

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on February 21, 2013
at 11:55 PM

and your post here is not a real comment

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on February 11, 2013
at 09:51 PM

Retarded advice*

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on February 11, 2013
at 09:50 PM

The **sprint** 8 protocol is a misnomer, it's done on an elliptical or stationary bike and it starts with two 30 seconds all out. 3 times a week. Obviously if you're on deaths bed you want to take care of that first, but for people with cfs hell yes. People with adrenal fatigue? I'd recommend they supplement with dessicated thyroid MAYBE, but yes, your mitochondria are fucked, they used to tell heart attack patients to stay bed ridden for the First couple weeks after a heart attack, till they realized that was restarted advice. Why do you have reason to believe otherwise? N=1s are welcome.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on February 11, 2013
at 07:03 PM

Asking what we think of a blog post (which you don't even bother linking) isn't a real question.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on February 11, 2013
at 06:18 PM

Curious, Stephen, do u expect ppl in pain or adrenal fatigue to be sprinting?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 06, 2013
at 03:13 PM

Akman it is about this......but LR is connected to it all.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 06, 2013
at 03:12 PM

His leaky gut was about his zeta......and I said it. I just did not have enough info out to explain it from my perspective to him......go back and re read the VAP blog I wrote just for him. It is there.

61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

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on February 03, 2013
at 05:50 PM

I thought most of our problems were from Leptin Resistance, not eating enough seafood, and refusing to chill ourselves while eating foods out of season! Too bad you didn't tell Jack Kronk all this EMF stuff last year when you had him chasing his leaky gut.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 03, 2013
at 02:41 PM

It will come.......this is the beginning of a topic that paleo folks really do not want to talk about. They all love their fake EMF's and do not want to think about how this impacts their life. EMF's and fake light are two of the main reasons for most of the perplexed people on this site asking questions why things are not working.

D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

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on February 03, 2013
at 03:07 AM

Wished that article had more of the health specifics, far too general.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 31, 2013
at 09:52 PM

You're starting to sound to quack-watch material by preaching grounding. I think your general points are solid but I also think you should focus more on electron flow as it pertains to mitochondrial function and how we can increase mitochondrial function. This is a more practical approach that is easier for more people to incorporate in their lives. Since you're whole purpose is to **help people**, and I truly believe that. I think you are clearly skimming over this point(Sprint 8/HIIT) probably because you didn't have to work out to lose your weight so you don't have much appreciation for it.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 31, 2013
at 09:48 PM

Except the Mitochondia Rx was a paid webinar, so I'd have to take your word for it that you covered it in sufficient detail.. Also you still fail to acknowledge that protocols like Sprint 8 (HIIT) would increase mitochondrial function/electron flow, improve leptin sensitivity and insulin sensitivity in the general population. Grounding would pale in comparison to HIIT (much less CT) by miles for Most people and would be a much better starting ground for curing neolithic disease today... (ps, this sounds harsh, but I still respect a ton of your work, am a forum member and recommend you to ppl).

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on January 31, 2013
at 08:32 PM

Lots of bad info in the paleosphere hurts people but no one seems to care because it fits paleo dogma.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on January 31, 2013
at 08:30 PM

The mitochondria Rx was rolled out before this in January. You just missed it. I dont miss low hanging fruit.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on January 30, 2013
at 03:03 PM

If he's right, the information is useful. If he's wrong, and you follow it, it's harmful, or at least useless. Of course it's important to be able to distinguish truth from horse droppings.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 27, 2013
at 09:35 PM

Why do you assume that others don't see that he is an attention-craving nutter? If he is right, what difference does it make?

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 27, 2013
at 09:33 PM

I think it was part of the weight loss for women, but was also discussed in the free January Q and A, and I don't know if it was recorded. He posted some of the information on a Hyperlipid post, and then someone else posted the same info by a Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum. It involves improving mito efficiency through magnesium, acetyl L carnitine, some B vitamins, coQ10, ribose, a few other things I forget. Someone posted the Teitelbaum link but then took it down. Dr. K also recommends methylators: choline, onion, garlic, mushroom.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 26, 2013
at 05:44 PM

Yea, I noticed that. I think mitochondrial function is going to be more important than grounding. I mean, I've tried the grounding this and didn't notice any difference, but I notice a difference when I do things that increase mitochondrial function, like hiit training. So, I just disagree with some of his methods, but I give him points for having some really interesting blogs with some good info in them.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 26, 2013
at 04:18 PM

yes, Jan, I saw this. Interesting study, but I am not sure what all it really means. I think some have taken this study to "prove" that cell phone radiation makes people diabetic. But I think the point of the study was to show that cell phones elicit a biological reaction. CW just evaluates radiation in terms of its ability to heat up tissue, ignoring the other potential influences. But gosh, anybody who has run an NMR knows that the radiation interacts with organic molecules.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 26, 2013
at 04:12 PM

An additional concern is that I am seeing several people coming up with bad grounding ideas, and feeling a bit of real physics would be in order here.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 26, 2013
at 04:11 PM

Like yourself, I am concerned about the physics of it, while still being able to recognize the value of some of the end-result solutions. In other words, I do not have to have an air-tight theory in order to try and succeed with recommendations. This is how I am able to suspend any of Taubes' theories on why we get fat, and still successfully follow his recommendations.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 26, 2013
at 04:10 PM

Hey Mike, maybe you can tone down your rant and talk about it anyway. What concerns me about the state of things lately is that everyone stays in their own little camps and doesn't discuss anything outside of it. To add to that, many are taking their tribes private, and maybe they are discussing it privately, hard to tell.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 26, 2013
at 04:05 PM

hey, Stephen, it seems that the mito prescription he talked about in a recent free Q and A got lost in the rollout.

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510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

(20898)

on January 26, 2013
at 04:54 AM

I only trust the "opinions" of AMO physicists when it comes to comments about radiation. Luckily I am one, and Kruse isn't... It's not worth worrying about and to keep my cortisol low, I won't go into my rant about it.

Edited to add: Here are links to previous rants I've had on this topic. I can add more if people really care:

http://paleohacks.com/questions/9430/cellphone-radiation-care-factor/49464#49464

http://paleohacks.com/questions/140484/do-you-think-emf-pollution-is-a-problem-why-or-why-not/140524#140524

http://paleohacks.com/questions/139937/earbuds-and-electromagnetic-radiation-have-you-used-mercolas-blue-tube-headphone/140059#140059

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 26, 2013
at 04:11 PM

Like yourself, I am concerned about the physics of it, while still being able to recognize the value of some of the end-result solutions. In other words, I do not have to have an air-tight theory in order to try and succeed with recommendations. This is how I am able to suspend any of Taubes' theories on why we get fat, and still successfully follow his recommendations.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 26, 2013
at 04:10 PM

Hey Mike, maybe you can tone down your rant and talk about it anyway. What concerns me about the state of things lately is that everyone stays in their own little camps and doesn't discuss anything outside of it. To add to that, many are taking their tribes private, and maybe they are discussing it privately, hard to tell.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 26, 2013
at 04:12 PM

An additional concern is that I am seeing several people coming up with bad grounding ideas, and feeling a bit of real physics would be in order here.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 03, 2013
at 12:12 AM

Here is a something today from NASA. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4779952/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/nasa-says-no--month-space-mission/#.UQ2qMo7IW0t

The reason they bailed was the science in EMF-2. Medical concerns.

Huntsville is the the site of chronobiology in the space program.

They know this info.......and now you skeptics do too.

EMF 4 is just for you. I promise. More paleo dogma to slay.

61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

(3175)

on February 03, 2013
at 05:50 PM

I thought most of our problems were from Leptin Resistance, not eating enough seafood, and refusing to chill ourselves while eating foods out of season! Too bad you didn't tell Jack Kronk all this EMF stuff last year when you had him chasing his leaky gut.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 03, 2013
at 02:41 PM

It will come.......this is the beginning of a topic that paleo folks really do not want to talk about. They all love their fake EMF's and do not want to think about how this impacts their life. EMF's and fake light are two of the main reasons for most of the perplexed people on this site asking questions why things are not working.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 06, 2013
at 03:12 PM

His leaky gut was about his zeta......and I said it. I just did not have enough info out to explain it from my perspective to him......go back and re read the VAP blog I wrote just for him. It is there.

D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

(4029)

on February 03, 2013
at 03:07 AM

Wished that article had more of the health specifics, far too general.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 06, 2013
at 03:13 PM

Akman it is about this......but LR is connected to it all.

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3224464d5e9ece840a676e66069025a2

on February 03, 2013
at 04:53 AM

Here's a wild thought...Jack's EMF Rx is gonna be some lame advice to walk barefoot and swim in the sea...things paleo has been saying to do forever. When it works, it won't be because of lowered stress, it will be because he is smarter than Einstein and cracked the E=MC2 equation.

Ever notice when one of his famed 'protocols' fails to bring results, he adds a new one that he claims he knew about all along and was just guiding us down a path until we were 'ready' for it?

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44348571d9bc70c02ac2975cc500f154

(5853)

on January 26, 2013
at 06:11 AM

There waws a brand new research released about this in Finland. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21915135

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 26, 2013
at 04:18 PM

yes, Jan, I saw this. Interesting study, but I am not sure what all it really means. I think some have taken this study to "prove" that cell phone radiation makes people diabetic. But I think the point of the study was to show that cell phones elicit a biological reaction. CW just evaluates radiation in terms of its ability to heat up tissue, ignoring the other potential influences. But gosh, anybody who has run an NMR knows that the radiation interacts with organic molecules.

1
05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on February 11, 2013
at 06:47 PM

I'll come back and edit this post, but quickly, many things about jacks personality strike me as unethical, however I can attest that the only time I ever feel good is when I'm sunbathing and touching nature in some way. Because if this I need to.move from SF to somewhere I can do this year round. More to.come

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Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on January 27, 2013
at 07:00 PM

To answer the specific question in the title, I think it's a load of BS.

I absolutely am in favor of all people finding success and happiness. I say this because I'm continually amazed that people credit Kruse when he posts stuff like that. It's just crazy, in my opinion, that people don't see what an attention-craving nutter he is, and how his writing is a bunch of crap.

[I'll probably come back and edit this out, because I don't love writing stuff like this, but at this moment I sit here amazed that Kruse hasn't gone away yet. I'm surely not attacking or questioning anyone who would defend him and who the hell knows, maybe I'll some day come around to realizing the value in what he writes.]

Again, I am happy for everyone who finds success and happiness. The bigger me understands and accepts that some people seemingly find something of value from what he writes. I just don't see how.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 27, 2013
at 09:35 PM

Why do you assume that others don't see that he is an attention-craving nutter? If he is right, what difference does it make?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on January 31, 2013
at 08:32 PM

Lots of bad info in the paleosphere hurts people but no one seems to care because it fits paleo dogma.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on January 30, 2013
at 03:03 PM

If he's right, the information is useful. If he's wrong, and you follow it, it's harmful, or at least useless. Of course it's important to be able to distinguish truth from horse droppings.

1
950efde057e2cc301543059b15f44374

(240)

on January 27, 2013
at 06:32 PM

Anyone know where to find his mitochondrial rx he talked about or know what it references?

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 27, 2013
at 09:33 PM

I think it was part of the weight loss for women, but was also discussed in the free January Q and A, and I don't know if it was recorded. He posted some of the information on a Hyperlipid post, and then someone else posted the same info by a Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum. It involves improving mito efficiency through magnesium, acetyl L carnitine, some B vitamins, coQ10, ribose, a few other things I forget. Someone posted the Teitelbaum link but then took it down. Dr. K also recommends methylators: choline, onion, garlic, mushroom.

1
Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 26, 2013
at 04:42 AM

Using a cellphone might cause Tumors, but grounding is not going to be a miracle for most people in most circumstances. He's cocky, and he's right about the importance of free negative electrons but he's missing the low hanging fruit which is increasing mitochondrial function as opposed to just increasing negative electrons. That's just my humble opinion though...

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 26, 2013
at 04:05 PM

hey, Stephen, it seems that the mito prescription he talked about in a recent free Q and A got lost in the rollout.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 26, 2013
at 05:44 PM

Yea, I noticed that. I think mitochondrial function is going to be more important than grounding. I mean, I've tried the grounding this and didn't notice any difference, but I notice a difference when I do things that increase mitochondrial function, like hiit training. So, I just disagree with some of his methods, but I give him points for having some really interesting blogs with some good info in them.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 31, 2013
at 09:52 PM

You're starting to sound to quack-watch material by preaching grounding. I think your general points are solid but I also think you should focus more on electron flow as it pertains to mitochondrial function and how we can increase mitochondrial function. This is a more practical approach that is easier for more people to incorporate in their lives. Since you're whole purpose is to **help people**, and I truly believe that. I think you are clearly skimming over this point(Sprint 8/HIIT) probably because you didn't have to work out to lose your weight so you don't have much appreciation for it.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 31, 2013
at 09:48 PM

Except the Mitochondia Rx was a paid webinar, so I'd have to take your word for it that you covered it in sufficient detail.. Also you still fail to acknowledge that protocols like Sprint 8 (HIIT) would increase mitochondrial function/electron flow, improve leptin sensitivity and insulin sensitivity in the general population. Grounding would pale in comparison to HIIT (much less CT) by miles for Most people and would be a much better starting ground for curing neolithic disease today... (ps, this sounds harsh, but I still respect a ton of your work, am a forum member and recommend you to ppl).

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on January 31, 2013
at 08:30 PM

The mitochondria Rx was rolled out before this in January. You just missed it. I dont miss low hanging fruit.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on February 11, 2013
at 06:18 PM

Curious, Stephen, do u expect ppl in pain or adrenal fatigue to be sprinting?

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on February 11, 2013
at 09:51 PM

Retarded advice*

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on February 11, 2013
at 09:50 PM

The **sprint** 8 protocol is a misnomer, it's done on an elliptical or stationary bike and it starts with two 30 seconds all out. 3 times a week. Obviously if you're on deaths bed you want to take care of that first, but for people with cfs hell yes. People with adrenal fatigue? I'd recommend they supplement with dessicated thyroid MAYBE, but yes, your mitochondria are fucked, they used to tell heart attack patients to stay bed ridden for the First couple weeks after a heart attack, till they realized that was restarted advice. Why do you have reason to believe otherwise? N=1s are welcome.

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