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Hack my dog food.

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 24, 2012 at 6:21 AM

What should I feed my dog? Any already made dog foods you would reccomend that don't have junk in them? Or should I cook meats and organs for my little guy?

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

(1906)

on June 03, 2012
at 02:06 AM

@syrhna - I've heard that same argument about vegans too. That doesn't mean it's ideal. @Sol - Every dog I've ever owned has opportunistically eaten veggies. Every dog I've ever been around has also grazed in the yard. Dogs are not carnivores, and treating them like one is not going to be as ideal for their long-term health.

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on June 02, 2012
at 05:49 PM

hey i appreciate the comment.. what do you feed him? i just picked up a 1/4 cow order and got tons of liver, heart, tounge. i actually have so much ground bison/beef right now it's crazy.. does that qualify? incorporate raw ground into his dry? (grain/soy free)

35b2cb4d450e5288895c255dfdfff35d

(5828)

on June 02, 2012
at 05:10 AM

I second the comment about tons of dogs not getting vegetation. Do dogs in the wild eat broccoli and pumpkin? It's worth questioning that assumption and seeing if your particular dog thrives without vegetation. If my dog were unhealthy without vegetation I would add some but feeding is so easy when I can just throw some raw meat out into the yard.

35b2cb4d450e5288895c255dfdfff35d

(5828)

on June 02, 2012
at 05:07 AM

I've not heard a compelling case for giving vegetables to dogs. My n=1 experiment with my German Shepherd has been successful for 3 years without vegetation. I'm not assuming that all dogs are like mine but your dog might do fine on a very low carb diet!

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 02, 2012
at 04:40 AM

Isn't the small poop great? I see bone dust. If it rains before I scoop, it's gone. Talk about efficient use of food.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 02, 2012
at 04:39 AM

Tons of dogs get fed raw with no veggies. Tons and tons. They do just fine. Promise. They don't chew their food, they crush it - they are not built to break down veggie matter with their teeth or their guts.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 02, 2012
at 04:37 AM

Dogs can't digest cellulose. If you're not physically breaking down those veggies, it's just bulk. I don't think it hurts, but they really didn't evolve to eat plant food.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 02, 2012
at 04:35 AM

Why is it any harder to keep meat around for the dog than it is to keep meat around for you? I don't mean to be personally critical, but I hate to see non-raw-feeders turned off at even trying it due to the inconvenience. It's not as easy as dumping kibble in a bowl, but it's close. I chuck meat into the yard once a day, let the dog out to eat it, bring her in. I keep the meat in a big container in the fridge. I restock about once a week. It's not hard.

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(4878)

on June 02, 2012
at 03:18 AM

Then you need to read about what is IN "dog food".

707342e3cb97e0fc088917919a154b8a

(1657)

on May 24, 2012
at 09:57 PM

I buy it at a locally owned pet food store-- but you can also order it online at www.mrchewy.com, it's not inexpensive (roughly $60 for 30 lbs) but my dogs are thriving on it.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on May 24, 2012
at 08:19 PM

Ha ha! Really? A dog food thread is where you want to spam us about your restaurant?

57bef671ea7e05631c9fa56f708bcaa9

(258)

on May 24, 2012
at 07:11 PM

Oh, for their teeth and jaw health, we will occasionally give a chicken wing or chicken back - something they can crunch on. The cats' breath is nearly odorless, the dog's - not so much, but he likes to eat poop and stuff.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on May 24, 2012
at 06:34 PM

I agree 100%, I've gotten some weird looks telling people that BARF is good food for animals.

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on May 24, 2012
at 05:36 PM

just ordered the Acana Pacifica mentioned above :)

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

(5231)

on May 24, 2012
at 05:26 PM

Too bad they didn't name it 'Bones and Raw Kibble' (BARK). that would've sounded yummier!

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on May 24, 2012
at 04:14 PM

Where do you buy your dog food? looks awesome..

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on May 24, 2012
at 04:12 PM

Damnit.. #faleo

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on May 24, 2012
at 03:56 PM

You might want to reread that ingredient list. It's full of grains.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on May 24, 2012
at 02:38 PM

Lol why would someone want to close this question?

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on May 24, 2012
at 06:26 AM

Check out the Bones and Raw Food (BARF) Diet for dogs. http://www.barfworld.com/html/learn_more/barf_pups.shtml

Like people dogs are omnivores, perhaps a titch more carnivorous. Most bagged food is full of cooked grain, try and avoid that, just like you would for the basis of your diet.

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

(5231)

on May 24, 2012
at 05:26 PM

Too bad they didn't name it 'Bones and Raw Kibble' (BARK). that would've sounded yummier!

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on May 24, 2012
at 06:34 PM

I agree 100%, I've gotten some weird looks telling people that BARF is good food for animals.

35b2cb4d450e5288895c255dfdfff35d

(5828)

on June 02, 2012
at 05:07 AM

I've not heard a compelling case for giving vegetables to dogs. My n=1 experiment with my German Shepherd has been successful for 3 years without vegetation. I'm not assuming that all dogs are like mine but your dog might do fine on a very low carb diet!

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8d3c422e94817ba453f3c1bc49bfc47e

on May 24, 2012
at 07:15 AM

If you are going to be good enough to your pooch to get them meats and offal, definitely don't rain on their parade by cooking it. I second the BARF book as an excellent resource, however I have found it overwhelming to make sure my dog is getting a well rounded diet when making meals myself.

I highly recommend Answers Pet Food: http://www.answerspetfood.com/search.html. They are one of the few raw foods that don't do that gross denaturizing thing (Primal just started this last year after a recall) and they have TONS of helpful info on their website. Plus, great customer service. My dog started turning up his nose at their chicken formula out of the blue (we buy chicken and beef by the case) and I checked in with them about it. They mentioned they had reformulated a little and the chicken was holding on to a bit too much kombucha flavor, they had already corrected the problem and gave me some free raw goats milk to increase palatability. Winners.

Also, being on a raw diet means that my 90 pound dog (who was taking giant man dumps on a high quality kibble at 4 months old) takes the most beautiful, firm, TINY, non stinky poops I have ever seen. I like to believe this is good for my well being, too, as I feel a lot less resentment at having to carry around bags of poop on hikes ;) Plus, dogs with frequently softer poops needs to have their anal glands manually expressed, talk about resentment.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 02, 2012
at 04:40 AM

Isn't the small poop great? I see bone dust. If it rains before I scoop, it's gone. Talk about efficient use of food.

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Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

(1906)

on May 24, 2012
at 05:15 PM

Check the "related" side column, which links to several threads that have discussed this topic already.

In short, the ideal diet is raw. You can DIY or buy patties/nuggets that contain meat and veggies already in it. Several brands exist that are generally sold in good pet shops. You also want to supplement with bones. Dogs aren't carnivores, so make sure that if you DIY, you're including veggies.

35b2cb4d450e5288895c255dfdfff35d

(5828)

on June 02, 2012
at 05:10 AM

I second the comment about tons of dogs not getting vegetation. Do dogs in the wild eat broccoli and pumpkin? It's worth questioning that assumption and seeing if your particular dog thrives without vegetation. If my dog were unhealthy without vegetation I would add some but feeding is so easy when I can just throw some raw meat out into the yard.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 02, 2012
at 04:39 AM

Tons of dogs get fed raw with no veggies. Tons and tons. They do just fine. Promise. They don't chew their food, they crush it - they are not built to break down veggie matter with their teeth or their guts.

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

(1906)

on June 03, 2012
at 02:06 AM

@syrhna - I've heard that same argument about vegans too. That doesn't mean it's ideal. @Sol - Every dog I've ever owned has opportunistically eaten veggies. Every dog I've ever been around has also grazed in the yard. Dogs are not carnivores, and treating them like one is not going to be as ideal for their long-term health.

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57bef671ea7e05631c9fa56f708bcaa9

(258)

on May 24, 2012
at 07:09 PM

Agree with all the raw food suggestions. I'm kind of lazy about keeping all the "parts" around (meat, bones, offal) and usually end up feeding my pets (dog and cats) whole ground animal from Hare Today. I switch between chicken and beef as they're the cheapest, but they also get "treats" of raw fish or fish oil squeezed on their food. My dog also gets some sort of vegetable (usually canned pumpkin), and occasionally a whole pasture egg.

57bef671ea7e05631c9fa56f708bcaa9

(258)

on May 24, 2012
at 07:11 PM

Oh, for their teeth and jaw health, we will occasionally give a chicken wing or chicken back - something they can crunch on. The cats' breath is nearly odorless, the dog's - not so much, but he likes to eat poop and stuff.

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Ada8bc57e46ceb7fe5741f635b2632fc

(25)

on May 24, 2012
at 12:33 PM

I feed my 80lb pup a Raw Meaty Bones diet with broccoli and other dog friendly fruits/veggies. Then I supplement with a capsule of Omega-3's once a day. Almost a year since I started and he's doing great!

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 02, 2012
at 04:37 AM

Dogs can't digest cellulose. If you're not physically breaking down those veggies, it's just bulk. I don't think it hurts, but they really didn't evolve to eat plant food.

0
Fbfb9f134c988a122940800b92bf15fe

on October 11, 2012
at 11:02 PM

I found taste of the wild and it is all natural and grain free. The dogs respond well and don't eat their poo.

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35b2cb4d450e5288895c255dfdfff35d

(5828)

on June 02, 2012
at 05:00 AM

I feed my 80 pound German Shepherd Sandy different kinds of meat, chicken, turkey, fish, ground beef, tripe, and occasionally eggs and liver. I've never fed Sandy any vegetation except for the partially digested/fermented plant matter that might be in the raw tripe she gets. Sandy's diet is all raw and unprocessed except for the canned salmon she gets once or twice a week. I give Sandy plenty of raw bones. Her teeth, at 8 years of age, are in great shape without my ever brushing them. When I adopted Sandy at age 5 from the local shelter she was underweight (ribs showing) and wouldn't eat. Now she's healthy and lean on her Paleo diet!

I don't understand why one would feel the need to give kibble to a dog, even the high end stuff, unless you don't have a yard where you can throw a sheep's skull or a chicken or something or unless the dog just won't eat raw meat.

A nice benefit of feeding raw and unprocessed is that I never have to do any prep for Sandy's meals. I usually don't even defrost the frozen stuff. Her teeth can handle frozen bony meat just fine. And, one other benefit -- if meat that I was going to eat has sat in the fridge too long and has started to smell a bit off it goes to Sandy and she loves the stuff.

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D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 02, 2012
at 04:32 AM

I feed prey model raw. After spending thousands (literally) in vet bills. Guess what -- her problem was leaky gut stuff! I was convinced that grain was bad for her YEARS before I thought it might be bad for me. DUH. Anyhow. Grain free kibble was a huge improvement, but now she glows with health. She's 80 lbs, ten years old, and she runs graceful circles around other dogs her size and age. Nobody EVER puts her near age ten.

I basically rotate proteins according to what's on sale, make sure to include about 10% organ meat, and use eggs and yogurt as a "pantry meal" for her in an emergency. She never gets a weight bearing bone of a large mammal.

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De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on May 24, 2012
at 03:06 PM

My dog eats the 4health brand from tractor supply. Doesn't contain any grains or soy. I've attempted the raw food diet, but I found it to be tedious to have bones/organs on hand at all times (although he did enjoy it!) http://www.tractorsupply.com/content/storeevents/4health_lamb_and_rice_formula

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on May 24, 2012
at 05:36 PM

just ordered the Acana Pacifica mentioned above :)

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on May 24, 2012
at 03:56 PM

You might want to reread that ingredient list. It's full of grains.

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on May 24, 2012
at 04:12 PM

Damnit.. #faleo

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 02, 2012
at 04:35 AM

Why is it any harder to keep meat around for the dog than it is to keep meat around for you? I don't mean to be personally critical, but I hate to see non-raw-feeders turned off at even trying it due to the inconvenience. It's not as easy as dumping kibble in a bowl, but it's close. I chuck meat into the yard once a day, let the dog out to eat it, bring her in. I keep the meat in a big container in the fridge. I restock about once a week. It's not hard.

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on June 02, 2012
at 05:49 PM

hey i appreciate the comment.. what do you feed him? i just picked up a 1/4 cow order and got tons of liver, heart, tounge. i actually have so much ground bison/beef right now it's crazy.. does that qualify? incorporate raw ground into his dry? (grain/soy free)

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707342e3cb97e0fc088917919a154b8a

on May 24, 2012
at 02:44 PM

@Zoomia, be sure to check the current Diamond dog food recall, some lots of Taste of the Wild are included. We were using Taste of the Wild (until it got recalled) and we just switched over to Acana Pacifica-- it's grain free and my dogs LOVE it, seriously, my 80 lb GSD actually dances when it is dinnertime.

We supplement with meaty bone: raw, pastured (NOT pasteurized, but pastured) chicken that we get from a farm and dog appropriate vegetable scraps too.

707342e3cb97e0fc088917919a154b8a

(1657)

on May 24, 2012
at 09:57 PM

I buy it at a locally owned pet food store-- but you can also order it online at www.mrchewy.com, it's not inexpensive (roughly $60 for 30 lbs) but my dogs are thriving on it.

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on May 24, 2012
at 04:14 PM

Where do you buy your dog food? looks awesome..

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on May 24, 2012
at 02:35 PM

I feed my dog Blue Buffalo dog food. The ingredients are top notch and the best I've found of any brand. Highly recommend.

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1398eff69b192c35de5e0dbaad59052a

(2024)

on May 24, 2012
at 02:32 PM

I used to feed the dog raw, but stopped for various reasons. I feed him Taste of the Wild now and he does really well on it.

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C116f7e54620c6003b67cd4450a298cd

on May 24, 2012
at 02:22 PM

I'm with Happy Now =- check out B.A.R.F. we're not 100%, but about 30% BARF. I always notice our mini Schnauzer after he eats some bones or raw....he typically takes off running and scampering around for 10 minutes. it's crazy! One can only imagine it's because it's making him feel good(??).

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Abc89933ab581a413d35c80f2f47011c

on May 25, 2012
at 11:21 AM

Choosing proper Dog Food is very important. It gives the essential nutrients to your Dog.

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D59547f895ff4015046f924ea0b936d6

on June 02, 2012
at 02:58 AM

I would suggest dog food....

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(4878)

on June 02, 2012
at 03:18 AM

Then you need to read about what is IN "dog food".

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 24, 2012
at 05:09 PM

I agree with most of your points, but a few need to be discussed further, I will hold a small talk with my partners and maybe I will look for you some suggestion soon.

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on May 24, 2012
at 08:19 PM

Ha ha! Really? A dog food thread is where you want to spam us about your restaurant?

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