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Paleo and Chiropractors

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 08, 2011 at 6:05 AM

Looking on Paleo Physician Network (site by Cordain and Robb Wolf), it looks like virtually all the doctors listed are chiropractors. Why is that?

Not knocking chiropractors or anything; just wondering whether it's something inherent in their belief system that makes them more Paleo-friendly, or maybe it's the way that the marketing or word-of-mouth reaches them.

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on February 27, 2012
at 07:10 AM

Oh, and one great thing which people say in SUPPORT of chiropractors, which actually DAMNS them, is this line... "Well, I've been going to MY chiro for twelve years and he ALWAYS helps my lower back!" That's as dumb as people going back to Jenny Craig (Gloria Marshall) time and time again to lose weight because, "They helped me last time!". By treating THE SAME SYMPTOMS but never FIXING THE PROBLEMS, they ensure repeat customers for life. Classic scam-tactic. My advice would be to go to physios for muscle issues, and orthos for bone issues.

4c9c4d3b6de06c4ac282e7e40ec5992f

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on February 27, 2012
at 07:05 AM

To quote Tim Minchin... "You know what Alternative Medicine, that has been PROVEN to work is called?" .... "Medicine" ;-)

4c9c4d3b6de06c4ac282e7e40ec5992f

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on February 27, 2012
at 07:05 AM

To quote Tim Minchin... "You know what Alternative Medicine, that has been PROVEN to work is called?" "Medicine" ;-)

4c9c4d3b6de06c4ac282e7e40ec5992f

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on February 27, 2012
at 07:04 AM

To quote Tim Minchin... "You know what Alternative Medicine, that has been PROVEN to work is called?" "Medicine" ;-)

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on July 15, 2011
at 10:57 PM

Many people believe Paleolithic nutrition to be "quackery" as well. They too have no experience with paleo, yet can certainly offer up an opinion. Many people refer to Weston A. Price, Robb Wolf, Cordain and Dr. Harris as quacks...for example.

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on May 25, 2011
at 02:32 AM

My grandfather was an osteopath. I had a great doctor who was a DO. But it seems like the profession has drifted away from it's roots. I was sent to a DO cardiologist who charged my insurance company ~$200 to give me a sales pitch on having an implanted defibrillator. I don't think my grandfather would have approved.

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on May 25, 2011
at 02:27 AM

Over the years, I have had maybe 8 chiropractors. None of them pushed anything on me. All of them simply adjusted my spine, giving me relief in every case. None of the results could have been placebo. On the other hand, most of the MDs I have had pushed poisonous medicines and treatments. Conventional medicine kills hundreds of thousands of people per year. Chiropractic harms people once in a while.

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on May 24, 2011
at 09:07 PM

Chiropractors are so not quack. In my personal experience, when I was about 12, I started to have involuntary eye and neck movements that regular doctors couldn't understand. They regular doctors wanted to try giving me pills that relaxed my muscles. Luckily, my mom said hell no and wanted to give a chiropractor a shot. He took an x-ray of my back, showed me what was wrong, went to him twice a week for 6 months and I have never had involuntary movements ever again!

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on May 24, 2011
at 04:36 PM

Chiropractors are opportunistic which in this case isn't a bad thing at all.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on May 24, 2011
at 04:33 PM

It showed little correlation but concluded that the correlation probably did exists... if my memory is serving me well.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on May 24, 2011
at 04:33 PM

It showed little correlation but concluded that the correlation probably did exists... if my memory is serving will

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on May 24, 2011
at 04:31 PM

+1 one for fully trained diagnosticians.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on May 24, 2011
at 04:31 PM

+1 one for fully train diagnosticians.

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on March 31, 2011
at 08:43 PM

Tell me something Jamie, have you ever been to a chiropractor? My guess is that from your ignorant statement the answer is probably no. Please tell me in all your infinite wisdom, what in your opinion is the objective of a chiropractor? And for those of you linking quackwatch, read this: http://www.canlyme.com/quackwatch.html Stephen Barrett who runs this site has lost so many lawsuits because of his stupidity that he's broke. He has dedicated his life to disproving the validity of chiropractic but has failed miserably. Why? Because if you actually read the research you can't disprove fact

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on March 29, 2011
at 07:15 PM

Jon: I agree with you in principle. I do think that some chiros have great hands, and I think that is more important than being an MD or PT or whatever. Not to mention, there's a fair amount of stupidity that goes on in the realm of PT under the name of conventional science.

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on March 29, 2011
at 07:14 PM

QOTSA: Paleo is already linked with the alternative, fringe scene. WAPF is regarded as a "lunatic" group that espouses raw dairy, which is "obviously dangerous," not to mention eating lots of fat and meat. Then there are the barefoot runners, the no-soap people, the oil pullers, the Buteyko breathers, and so on. Primal Wisdom is a great source of info but you will never get any mainstream skeptic to take him seriously because of his credentials. This is why I'm especially concerned about actual pseudoscience on PH. http://paleohacks.com/questions/30340/meta-what-place-does-pseudoscience-have-o

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on March 08, 2011
at 11:28 PM

Interesting that he brought up the Framingham study. I was under the impression that the Framingham study showed that there was no correlation between dietary fat and heart disease.

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on March 08, 2011
at 07:59 PM

He's already done extensive bloodwork and some hormonal tests. And of course I can ask him to perform anything. See, the problem was we went to our doctor with specific tests in mind and she refused to even talk about it. She acted like we were crazy.

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on March 08, 2011
at 05:49 PM

I'm not sure why one needs personal experience with a chiropractor to determine they are quacks. A chiropractor practices chiropractic. It is based on non-science, and is thus quackery. It may be very helpful to go to a chiropractor if he also does some great massage, or is a wonderful listener.

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on March 08, 2011
at 05:48 PM

Sorry Mr. Thoroddsen - This was in response to Dr. K's comments a bit further down but it wouldn't post so I just added as a general comment...

F6c1df7d5699661bd1f0d6d0a6c17fc6

on March 08, 2011
at 05:43 PM

What kind of tests is he running though? Here he'd only be able to do some new-agey testing (holding an orange in your hand and testing your strength at the same time, woo-woo indeed). Or can you basically ask him to perform certain tests and he will, and has the authority to?

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on March 08, 2011
at 05:38 PM

I'm not sure what this has to do with the original question, but unfortunately it's quite a common experience with doctors.

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on March 08, 2011
at 02:31 PM

I hope paleo doesn't get linked with alternative medicine - the whole point is we are working from proper scientific evidence not the placebo effect. We'll be recommending homeopathy next!!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 08, 2011
at 12:50 PM

Patients can school the docs and navigate change......give your books to your PCPs once your done with them because you could change them and the lives of hundreds they treat.

F6c1df7d5699661bd1f0d6d0a6c17fc6

on March 08, 2011
at 08:57 AM

This is the worst chiropractic can do: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chirostroke.html . What is the best they can do? There are a lot of chiropractors that have helped people, but that is in spite of their quack medicince rather than because of it. Here's Skepdics entry http://www.skepdic.com/chiro.html and here's wikipedia's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic#Evidence_basis At least modern medicine has the ability to change, based on the evidence.

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on March 08, 2011
at 06:49 AM

Most doctors are quacks, avoid at all costs. The worst the chiropractor is going to do is get a little pop out of your back. It isn't like he's going to put you on a life time of metabolically damaging drugs and tell you to eat low fat and high carb for the rest of your life. Cause that's, you know, evidence based.

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on March 08, 2011
at 08:54 AM

Chiropractors and naturopaths often take a nutrition-oriented approach, as do doctors in the "integrative medicine" category.

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34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

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on March 08, 2011
at 01:49 PM

My experience with talking to doctors about differing opinions has not been very successful in my life. In fact just a couple of weeks ago I tried to have a conversation with my husbands doctor because he wanted to put my husband on Lipitor. He was noticeably offended that we didn't just take his recommendation. He proceeded to talk down to us and brought up the Framingham Study and something called the Jupiter Study (conducted by a statin maker). He wasn't going to change his mind, he said he believes in statins and will push for my husband to get on them until he gives in. I wish I could find a doctor who didn't just "tow the company line" and can think for themselves.

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on March 08, 2011
at 11:28 PM

Interesting that he brought up the Framingham study. I was under the impression that the Framingham study showed that there was no correlation between dietary fat and heart disease.

F6c1df7d5699661bd1f0d6d0a6c17fc6

on March 08, 2011
at 05:38 PM

I'm not sure what this has to do with the original question, but unfortunately it's quite a common experience with doctors.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on March 08, 2011
at 05:48 PM

Sorry Mr. Thoroddsen - This was in response to Dr. K's comments a bit further down but it wouldn't post so I just added as a general comment...

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on May 24, 2011
at 04:33 PM

It showed little correlation but concluded that the correlation probably did exists... if my memory is serving me well.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on May 24, 2011
at 04:33 PM

It showed little correlation but concluded that the correlation probably did exists... if my memory is serving will

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on March 08, 2011
at 06:31 AM

Because I haven't been able to convert my osteopathic brethren yet. Give me time....

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on May 24, 2011
at 04:31 PM

+1 one for fully train diagnosticians.

Ffc7e0ecad8e8831b528c5d4921377cc

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on May 25, 2011
at 02:32 AM

My grandfather was an osteopath. I had a great doctor who was a DO. But it seems like the profession has drifted away from it's roots. I was sent to a DO cardiologist who charged my insurance company ~$200 to give me a sales pitch on having an implanted defibrillator. I don't think my grandfather would have approved.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on May 24, 2011
at 04:31 PM

+1 one for fully trained diagnosticians.

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on May 24, 2011
at 04:15 PM

Hi Guys: Chiropractic, as a profession, is by far the most 'paleo-congruent' health care profession there is in the USA. I say this this because it is the only physician-level profession which continues to eschew synthetic drugs as part of the scope of practice (more and more naturopaths are natural doctors in name only, and regularly prescibe synthetic meds to address the 'effects' of inappropriate environment). Many chiropractors, like me have fought strongly to keep synthetic drugs out of our scope of practice. If drugs and surgery are how you make your money, then it is very difficult (psychologically) to embrace this paleo paradigm. It is easier to embrace when you entered a profession knowing and/or believing that health was/is possible without synthetic drugs and/or surgery (most of the time).That doesn't mean that all (or even most) chiros know and understand the paleo paradigm...the fact is most are clueless. But, in general, chiros have been saying for over 100 years that health is only possible when we get the environment correct (with very rare exceptions). Sound familiar? And we have been villified by the pharmaceutical industry for taking this position, but of course new evidence re. relatively static-state of the human genome has supports the chiropractic paradigm. Anyway, there is a very robust, paleo-based movement in our field that is led by a doctor named James Chestnut, DC. He is one of the top paleo-paradigm people in healthcare (in any field). He is brilliant. I have read all the paleo books and met a number of the top paleo guys and I believe he has got a better handle on this than all of them. He has an amazing book for sale that you can buy at his website. It is absolutely the best paradigm changing paleo-based book out there. He does not use the term Paleo, because he just thinks it is wrong-headed and limiting, but the research he cites re. diet, movement and mental-emotional state is all the same stuff. I also sell it at my website. Cheers. John J. Collins, DC www.thepaleodoctor.com

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on March 08, 2011
at 05:04 PM

I love going to chiropractor once in awhile. The group I go to promotes health and wellness and they believe in paleo. They seem to really care about their patients and are not pushing drugs. My chiropractor spends her evenings teaching kettlebell's to help her patients to obtain core strength. They have guest speakers promoting health the natural way.

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on December 30, 2012
at 06:08 AM

I love the chiropractor. I've been to a couple of different ones and they have always helped me. Especially when I used to do BJJ. I recommend a chiro and a good massage anyday.

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on December 29, 2012
at 09:35 PM

I've noticed the chiro-paleo connection as well.

Granted, I went to four different chiropractors in two years, and none of them could help me. It turns out I had a severe gallbladder problem that was extended to my lower back, causing the worst pain of my life. None of them told me to see my family doc, even when I was pooping white/pale yellow poop. SORRY TMI I KNOW.

One of my chiros (actually, the first one I started seeing) had a seminar that my wife and I went to. He said chiropractic can cure cancer, and if Saddam Hussein and Adolf Hitler had received chiropractic care, maybe they wouldn't have turned out to be so bad after all!

I shit thee not.

I've read in more than one place that having a chiro crack your neck increases your chances of stroke.

I stopped seeing them a long time ago and would never go back. My athletic therapist is a godsend, and I've seen a ton of physiotherapists over the years as well, and they couldn't help me either (neck issues).

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4c9c4d3b6de06c4ac282e7e40ec5992f

on February 27, 2012
at 07:02 AM

Yeah I'm kind of with Jamie - but less harsh. Why is something as scientific as Paleo messed up with something as anti-science as chiropractic?

I don't think most Chiros are quacks, as I think most get into it with a real desire to heal, but I do believe the practice 'mostly' is based in quackery. (Subluxation being a biggie on the quackometer.)

My brother-in-law became a chiro many years ago, and did VERY well out of it. Almost too well, as he was a hippie and not that into money. Then one day he started ringing everyone he knew, telling them he was closing shop, and warning them to never, ever go to a chiro again - as too many people were being damaged and very few helped.

I as a twenty-year-old ignored the advice of my kind, intelligent and informed elder (as twenty-year-olds are wont to do) and thought I'd make my own mind up. A few years later, I visited a recommended chiro as my neck and shoulders were killing me from drawing. I few twists, some cracks and he sent me on my way. On the way home, my jaw locked half-open. A few months later and my jaw began to click - and a short time after that, tinnitus. Both these issues persist 20yrs later. The chiro has long since gone out of business (or retired to an island).

Basically, to me, seeing so many chiros associated with paleo frightens me. The only thing more frightening would be hearing Robb Wolf declare Colloidal silver 'a good idea' or faith healers 'genuine medical alternatives'.

ow, my neck hurts... Beefwalker

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154d799847153f5589f99496a9bdbb71

on March 08, 2011
at 04:26 PM

I've noticed this trend too (chiropractic being linked to naturopathy). From what I can gather, historically chiropractic has been considering "alternative" medicine... putting it at odds with mainstream medicine and potentially causing alternative practitioners to flock to it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic

"Throughout its history, chiropractic has been controversial.[13][14] For most of its existence it has battled with mainstream medicine, sustained by pseudoscientific ideas such as subluxation and innate intelligence[15] that are not based on solid science."

I've never been impressed with mainstream medicine from a preventative health and general well-being angle. My wife has suffered from various health issues (insomnia, irritability, depression, mood swings, fatigue, weight gain) for years. We finally became fed up (suspecting hormone/thyroid issues) and confronted her general practitioner. Well, she refused to do any testing and basically offered to put my wife on antidepressants or sleeping pills. No thanks.

A few weeks later we went to see a chiroprator and I've just been blown away. He's gone straight to testing, he explains everything, gives us things to research, and he seems to have genuine interest in learning this stuff. At times, I was skeptical. There's a bit of woo-woo to the whole proceedings, but nothing that I could definitely say was nonsense. My only real complaint is that this guy is definitely not paleo; he's instead trying to put my wife on a vegan diet (in addition to telling us that iodine will kill us). Anyway, it's light years ahead of what we got at the doctor.

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on March 08, 2011
at 05:43 PM

What kind of tests is he running though? Here he'd only be able to do some new-agey testing (holding an orange in your hand and testing your strength at the same time, woo-woo indeed). Or can you basically ask him to perform certain tests and he will, and has the authority to?

154d799847153f5589f99496a9bdbb71

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on March 08, 2011
at 07:59 PM

He's already done extensive bloodwork and some hormonal tests. And of course I can ask him to perform anything. See, the problem was we went to our doctor with specific tests in mind and she refused to even talk about it. She acted like we were crazy.

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on March 08, 2011
at 03:31 PM

This is a question for Jamie- what makes you say they are quacks? Do you have any personal experience with them?

F6c1df7d5699661bd1f0d6d0a6c17fc6

on March 08, 2011
at 05:49 PM

I'm not sure why one needs personal experience with a chiropractor to determine they are quacks. A chiropractor practices chiropractic. It is based on non-science, and is thus quackery. It may be very helpful to go to a chiropractor if he also does some great massage, or is a wonderful listener.

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on March 29, 2011
at 07:15 PM

Jon: I agree with you in principle. I do think that some chiros have great hands, and I think that is more important than being an MD or PT or whatever. Not to mention, there's a fair amount of stupidity that goes on in the realm of PT under the name of conventional science.

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on July 15, 2011
at 10:57 PM

Many people believe Paleolithic nutrition to be "quackery" as well. They too have no experience with paleo, yet can certainly offer up an opinion. Many people refer to Weston A. Price, Robb Wolf, Cordain and Dr. Harris as quacks...for example.

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on March 08, 2011
at 12:49 PM

There is good and bad in every profession......in medicine many of us have opened our eyes. The issue for us when we speak about it aloud in the medical staff lounge you get punished for it.......PCPs dontlike being usurped by the guys they refer too.........but that is exactly what happens because people get very healthy with you and then go back to them on no meds 40 lbs thinner........and the doc wants to know why and how.......they get told and then they look like a deer in the headlights. And take it out on you. Not fair.........but life.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 08, 2011
at 12:50 PM

Patients can school the docs and navigate change......give your books to your PCPs once your done with them because you could change them and the lives of hundreds they treat.

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on March 08, 2011
at 06:39 AM

Chiropractors are quacks. Avoid at all costs.

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(3184)

on March 08, 2011
at 06:49 AM

Most doctors are quacks, avoid at all costs. The worst the chiropractor is going to do is get a little pop out of your back. It isn't like he's going to put you on a life time of metabolically damaging drugs and tell you to eat low fat and high carb for the rest of your life. Cause that's, you know, evidence based.

C61399790c6531a0af344ab0c40048f1

on March 08, 2011
at 02:31 PM

I hope paleo doesn't get linked with alternative medicine - the whole point is we are working from proper scientific evidence not the placebo effect. We'll be recommending homeopathy next!!

F6c1df7d5699661bd1f0d6d0a6c17fc6

on March 08, 2011
at 08:57 AM

This is the worst chiropractic can do: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chirostroke.html . What is the best they can do? There are a lot of chiropractors that have helped people, but that is in spite of their quack medicince rather than because of it. Here's Skepdics entry http://www.skepdic.com/chiro.html and here's wikipedia's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic#Evidence_basis At least modern medicine has the ability to change, based on the evidence.

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on March 29, 2011
at 07:14 PM

QOTSA: Paleo is already linked with the alternative, fringe scene. WAPF is regarded as a "lunatic" group that espouses raw dairy, which is "obviously dangerous," not to mention eating lots of fat and meat. Then there are the barefoot runners, the no-soap people, the oil pullers, the Buteyko breathers, and so on. Primal Wisdom is a great source of info but you will never get any mainstream skeptic to take him seriously because of his credentials. This is why I'm especially concerned about actual pseudoscience on PH. http://paleohacks.com/questions/30340/meta-what-place-does-pseudoscience-have-o

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on March 31, 2011
at 08:43 PM

Tell me something Jamie, have you ever been to a chiropractor? My guess is that from your ignorant statement the answer is probably no. Please tell me in all your infinite wisdom, what in your opinion is the objective of a chiropractor? And for those of you linking quackwatch, read this: http://www.canlyme.com/quackwatch.html Stephen Barrett who runs this site has lost so many lawsuits because of his stupidity that he's broke. He has dedicated his life to disproving the validity of chiropractic but has failed miserably. Why? Because if you actually read the research you can't disprove fact

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on May 24, 2011
at 09:07 PM

Chiropractors are so not quack. In my personal experience, when I was about 12, I started to have involuntary eye and neck movements that regular doctors couldn't understand. They regular doctors wanted to try giving me pills that relaxed my muscles. Luckily, my mom said hell no and wanted to give a chiropractor a shot. He took an x-ray of my back, showed me what was wrong, went to him twice a week for 6 months and I have never had involuntary movements ever again!

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on May 25, 2011
at 02:27 AM

Over the years, I have had maybe 8 chiropractors. None of them pushed anything on me. All of them simply adjusted my spine, giving me relief in every case. None of the results could have been placebo. On the other hand, most of the MDs I have had pushed poisonous medicines and treatments. Conventional medicine kills hundreds of thousands of people per year. Chiropractic harms people once in a while.

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on February 27, 2012
at 07:10 AM

Oh, and one great thing which people say in SUPPORT of chiropractors, which actually DAMNS them, is this line... "Well, I've been going to MY chiro for twelve years and he ALWAYS helps my lower back!" That's as dumb as people going back to Jenny Craig (Gloria Marshall) time and time again to lose weight because, "They helped me last time!". By treating THE SAME SYMPTOMS but never FIXING THE PROBLEMS, they ensure repeat customers for life. Classic scam-tactic. My advice would be to go to physios for muscle issues, and orthos for bone issues.

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on February 27, 2012
at 07:04 AM

To quote Tim Minchin... "You know what Alternative Medicine, that has been PROVEN to work is called?" "Medicine" ;-)

4c9c4d3b6de06c4ac282e7e40ec5992f

(209)

on February 27, 2012
at 07:05 AM

To quote Tim Minchin... "You know what Alternative Medicine, that has been PROVEN to work is called?" "Medicine" ;-)

4c9c4d3b6de06c4ac282e7e40ec5992f

(209)

on February 27, 2012
at 07:05 AM

To quote Tim Minchin... "You know what Alternative Medicine, that has been PROVEN to work is called?" .... "Medicine" ;-)

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