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In relation to vitamin supplementing and/or protein powder supplementing a paleo lifestyle, are you tricking yourself into believing your supplements do some good because of the placebo affect?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 11, 2011 at 6:15 PM

How much does the placebo affect enter into your paleo life? When we take supplements for this or that, do they really help us live a richer, disease free longer life? Or is it the belief they assist us doing all the good?

This video is interesting in that it makes a case that many placebo pills that have absolutely no pharmacological benefits seem to be very effective in bringing about desired results. Color and size seems to matter.

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/03/strange-powers-placebo-effect-video.html

The placebo affect seems to validate Dr. K's contention that our thinking can change our DNA and therefore outcomes when it comes to our own bodies.

Are you being fooled by your mind?

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on June 12, 2011
at 07:43 PM

placebo effects have been largely ignore by medicine but i think they actually tell us a lot about how our mind can effect disease states and health. I never realized that until my own injury. I think it reflects clear evidence that a thought can change our reality very quickly.

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on June 12, 2011
at 12:48 PM

hip-to-be-paleo? thats funny

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on June 12, 2011
at 12:47 PM

nice. i feed my guy cheap grocery store cuts of meat. the stuff we eat. it works out to be cheap. love to go organic but thats just impossible wallet wise. He never gets sick. Pretty cool.

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on June 12, 2011
at 02:04 AM

Yeah, I totally get it. He's good with his allergies now, but I keep MSM in the house just in case he has another outbreak. Mostly they get raw or cooked real food, but on occasion they get Taste of the Wild grain free dog food and PetKind Venison, Duck & Salmon canned food (usually I use it to stuff their kongs as a treat). My female dog has problems with a lot of pet foods, but does brilliantly on raw and cooked, so I have to be a little extra picky so she doesn't get sick. Even some grain free dog foods are trouble for her.

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on June 12, 2011
at 01:44 AM

Cool. Just interested in dog stuff generally. I have a 60 lb pit bull, Simon. He's good but I always like to keep notes about stuff like you mentioned jic ykow. What do you feed yours?

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on June 12, 2011
at 01:14 AM

Oh, I should also mention that he's a 75lb (give or take) dog, so if you're trying this on a smaller dog, you probably need less.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on June 12, 2011
at 01:11 AM

1000mg MSM. Depending on what I could get my hands on I either used pills or Jarrow's MSM powder. I got the idea from Jonny Bowden's book - see here: http://books.google.com/books?id=2X6eCV7to28C&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=jonny+bowden+msm&source=bl&ots=bBB3f5QwYv&sig=55VNAv5G7ygJKYeBY_CnnQ8N2vk&hl=en&ei=QxH0TerLCIbliALt1Ln8Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDgQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false (here's hoping that link works!) Before giving him the MSM we had to muzzle him so he wouldn't do damage to himself. Afterwards? He hasn't itched in about a year.

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on June 12, 2011
at 01:00 AM

What did you give your dog?

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on June 11, 2011
at 09:04 PM

While I am convinced that paleo is the best way of eating, I'm sure that a small part of its value to me is my belief in it--just as, if I were committed to veganism, that commitment would probably bring some health benefits. I don't think there's a way for me to separate that out, so I accept that there are some benefits of feeling good about what I'm doing.

With regard to supplements, I don't use them a whole lot--just D3 when I don't get sun and some magnesium. I don't think those are magic in any way, just simple ways to compensate for differences between my lifestyle and the way our ancestors lived. From that perspective, I doubt there's much of a placebo effect there.

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on June 12, 2011
at 12:11 AM

I can see the value of supplements when someone is using them medicinally when they are trying to repair some damage from some condition. Say, for example, someone just finding out that they are Celiac, just starting out gluten free, and are trying to heal some of the intestinal damage by adding L-Glutamine and maybe a multivitamin to help with some of the possible nutrient deficiencies the disease may have caused while the body was having problems absorbing nutrients. I won't decide for them whether or not they should do it, just that I can see the logic there.

But then I've also witnessed certain supplements cure my dog's allergies. After ripping his own skin apart for almost a year and the vets just shrugging at me, he went from chewing his feet (and, if I'm honest, his butt too) to not scratching at all within 48 hours. I can't really see how my dog would even realize what I was giving him enough to cause a placebo effect in him.

But for other people I know who take gobs of supplements every day to prevent the end of the world? There's probably something to the placebo effect there.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on June 12, 2011
at 01:11 AM

1000mg MSM. Depending on what I could get my hands on I either used pills or Jarrow's MSM powder. I got the idea from Jonny Bowden's book - see here: http://books.google.com/books?id=2X6eCV7to28C&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=jonny+bowden+msm&source=bl&ots=bBB3f5QwYv&sig=55VNAv5G7ygJKYeBY_CnnQ8N2vk&hl=en&ei=QxH0TerLCIbliALt1Ln8Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDgQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false (here's hoping that link works!) Before giving him the MSM we had to muzzle him so he wouldn't do damage to himself. Afterwards? He hasn't itched in about a year.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 12, 2011
at 12:47 PM

nice. i feed my guy cheap grocery store cuts of meat. the stuff we eat. it works out to be cheap. love to go organic but thats just impossible wallet wise. He never gets sick. Pretty cool.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on June 12, 2011
at 02:04 AM

Yeah, I totally get it. He's good with his allergies now, but I keep MSM in the house just in case he has another outbreak. Mostly they get raw or cooked real food, but on occasion they get Taste of the Wild grain free dog food and PetKind Venison, Duck & Salmon canned food (usually I use it to stuff their kongs as a treat). My female dog has problems with a lot of pet foods, but does brilliantly on raw and cooked, so I have to be a little extra picky so she doesn't get sick. Even some grain free dog foods are trouble for her.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 12, 2011
at 01:44 AM

Cool. Just interested in dog stuff generally. I have a 60 lb pit bull, Simon. He's good but I always like to keep notes about stuff like you mentioned jic ykow. What do you feed yours?

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on June 12, 2011
at 01:14 AM

Oh, I should also mention that he's a 75lb (give or take) dog, so if you're trying this on a smaller dog, you probably need less.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 12, 2011
at 01:00 AM

What did you give your dog?

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on June 11, 2011
at 06:23 PM

No, because I don't take any supplements. If man made it or synthesized it, its garbage. Its the dif between a paleo lifestyle and the hip-to-be-paleo diet.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 12, 2011
at 12:48 PM

hip-to-be-paleo? thats funny

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