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Retraining Bowel Movements

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 03, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Are the number of bowel movements one has per day related to how many meals they eat?

For example, one big meal on Monday, comes out Wednesday, or two meals on Monday comes out on Wednesday, in two bowel movements.

My movement comes in the morning usually, but I like have that "cleaned out" feeling. So far, it seems that I'll have a movement in the morning, but then still feel like I need to go, and most of the time, the second movement doesn't come unless I totally gorge myself with water.

I eat plenty of fermented foods, no gluten, no dairy exp butter, and no legumes, and my bowel movements are healthy-looking.

Is there any way one can condense their bowel movements to once per day? Or am I doomed to have two a day/as per many times as I eat? (Note: I never seemed to have this problem back when I was young, and in high school.)

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

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on April 14, 2012
at 04:22 PM

I think this is a good suggestion, Nemesis. I used to think IF could only be done 16/8 style, but obviously...that's not true. I'm really looking into the biochemical implications of leptin resetting now, since it's very surprising that it's working...despite not being overweight, or having any serious L.R. issues...

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 14, 2012
at 04:21 PM

I think this is a good suggestion, Nemesis. I used to think IF could only be done 16/8 style, but obviously...that's not true. I'm really looking into the biochemical implications of leptin resetting now, since it's very surprising that it's working...

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 12, 2012
at 12:17 AM

Maybe IF less frequently, say, once a week instead of every day or every other day.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 05, 2012
at 07:26 PM

PM, mine work the same way. The initial poop comes out, then I wait a few more minutes and the rest starts working its way out of my system. Usually the second (half) is mushier and has bits of plant matter. Makes sense, as what's coming out then is what I most recently ate (and I tend to eat veggies with dinner) and has not spent as much time in my colon.

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 05, 2012
at 05:54 PM

I think it's "Triphala." Thank you for the suggestion, but as I continue reading and researching about nutrition, I feel-like for my current state, I don't like relying on supplements of any kind. Proper nutrition should come from high quality food. This isn't to detract, in any way, that supplements are beneficial for those who need it

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 05, 2012
at 05:52 PM

I see. I feel, the more I think about it, the worse it gets...better to not stress about it, eat well, move around, be happy, and things may be better. So far, it's gotten better?

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 05, 2012
at 05:51 PM

@ Nemesis. Hm. I will try this. Oddly enough, for the past few days, I stopped doing 2-meal, 8 hr IF's, and went back to three meals, high protein breakfast, and I seem to feel alot better, both body composition-wise and bowels-wise. I don't think I was leptin resistant though...

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 04, 2012
at 11:07 AM

In my experience, eating more leafy greens correlates with more frequent BM's. Splitting up my veg/starch into 50/50, however, brings me back to going once a day. I don't each much fruit, other than a few handfuls of raisins with my breakfast.

535fafe8afe6923870905c707c4f4454

(720)

on April 04, 2012
at 09:58 AM

I should also add some personal experience which might be helpful. I find that I often release my bowel movement and that satisfies my 'need' to go.. but I know if I start to finish up here I will not be satisfied long term. I usually wait a few minutes and move my body around abit to stimulate peristaltic movement and the 2nd movement of the toilet trip will arrive. It took me a while to discover this second movement and it has consistently come since I've allowed the time for it. Makes the whole trip abit longer unfortunately but worth it. P.S I go to the toilet in squat position which helps

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 04, 2012
at 05:16 AM

@Nemesis, No I haven't tried reducing my fiber intake- would this help? I've grown up in an asian household/have gotten used to/ have mostly always eaten tons of different varieties of fresh veggies. If I did cut them out, I honestly wouldn't know what to eat. I'm adverse to gorging on huge amounts of protein and fat I'm 22, pretty lean, and never was metabolically deranged...but am still slightly afraid of upping my starch/fruit intake. But now that you mention it...I've tweaked almost everything except my vegetable intake. Part of me just says it can't be that...its been ubiquitous.

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

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on April 04, 2012
at 12:00 AM

The more rare being quicker is not true... http://paleohacks.com/questions/27183/soft-foods-and-digestion-time/29931#29931 http://books.google.com/books?id=H6F4_9joRkgC&dq=gastric%20juice&pg=PR3#v=onepage&q&f=false

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 03, 2012
at 11:24 PM

I think it depends on how quickly food is broken down in the stomach. The more rare the meat, the quicker the digestion time. Overcooked meat is more difficult to digest. http://www.cleanse-yourself-lose-weight.com/digestion-time.html

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 03, 2012
at 11:22 PM

Have you tried reducing your fiber intake?

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 03, 2012
at 11:19 PM

I've tried Natural Calm, it doesn't seem to do much of anything positive, except some bloating, and maybe increases my movements to like 5-6 a day. Perhaps I should dial down the dose.

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

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on April 03, 2012
at 11:18 PM

And meat is quick, plant slow? Is this due to fiber (undigestibles, such such as stachyose, celluose...oligosaccharides?)

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on April 03, 2012
at 11:15 PM

I think what annoys me is my body composition is different when bowel movements remain...I guess for vanity reasons I just want it all out at once, in one go. Seems like an odd tweak.

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1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 03, 2012
at 11:12 PM

BM's are funny. They don't always correlate with your meals. Foods are digested at different rates (with meat being quick, plant matter being slow). So what you're seeing on Wednesday isn't necessarily your ENTIRE meal from Monday, it may just be the slower-digesting remnants.

Plus, poop is largely made up of dead/dying bacteria which is shed by your body every day. Perhaps you're eating too many fermented foods? As long as you're going, and your poop isn't hard to pass, I don't think you have anything to worry about ;)

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 03, 2012
at 11:18 PM

And meat is quick, plant slow? Is this due to fiber (undigestibles, such such as stachyose, celluose...oligosaccharides?)

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 04, 2012
at 05:16 AM

@Nemesis, No I haven't tried reducing my fiber intake- would this help? I've grown up in an asian household/have gotten used to/ have mostly always eaten tons of different varieties of fresh veggies. If I did cut them out, I honestly wouldn't know what to eat. I'm adverse to gorging on huge amounts of protein and fat I'm 22, pretty lean, and never was metabolically deranged...but am still slightly afraid of upping my starch/fruit intake. But now that you mention it...I've tweaked almost everything except my vegetable intake. Part of me just says it can't be that...its been ubiquitous.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 03, 2012
at 11:24 PM

I think it depends on how quickly food is broken down in the stomach. The more rare the meat, the quicker the digestion time. Overcooked meat is more difficult to digest. http://www.cleanse-yourself-lose-weight.com/digestion-time.html

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 04, 2012
at 11:07 AM

In my experience, eating more leafy greens correlates with more frequent BM's. Splitting up my veg/starch into 50/50, however, brings me back to going once a day. I don't each much fruit, other than a few handfuls of raisins with my breakfast.

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 03, 2012
at 11:15 PM

I think what annoys me is my body composition is different when bowel movements remain...I guess for vanity reasons I just want it all out at once, in one go. Seems like an odd tweak.

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

(1457)

on April 04, 2012
at 12:00 AM

The more rare being quicker is not true... http://paleohacks.com/questions/27183/soft-foods-and-digestion-time/29931#29931 http://books.google.com/books?id=H6F4_9joRkgC&dq=gastric%20juice&pg=PR3#v=onepage&q&f=false

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 03, 2012
at 11:22 PM

Have you tried reducing your fiber intake?

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 05, 2012
at 05:51 PM

@ Nemesis. Hm. I will try this. Oddly enough, for the past few days, I stopped doing 2-meal, 8 hr IF's, and went back to three meals, high protein breakfast, and I seem to feel alot better, both body composition-wise and bowels-wise. I don't think I was leptin resistant though...

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901d843c6a01089575ef1751a9e6e9fd

on April 03, 2012
at 08:21 PM

I'm a once a day man. Regular as a Kennedy funeral.

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Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 07, 2012
at 06:37 PM

UPDATE:

I started doing a protein-fat-small amount of veggies sort of breakfast and then maybe or maybe not skipping lunch, and a normal dinner...and the odd bowel movements fixed themselves...interesting.

IF doesn't seem to work for me then? That's kind of sad...it's kind of convenient.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 12, 2012
at 12:17 AM

Maybe IF less frequently, say, once a week instead of every day or every other day.

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 14, 2012
at 04:22 PM

I think this is a good suggestion, Nemesis. I used to think IF could only be done 16/8 style, but obviously...that's not true. I'm really looking into the biochemical implications of leptin resetting now, since it's very surprising that it's working...despite not being overweight, or having any serious L.R. issues...

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 14, 2012
at 04:21 PM

I think this is a good suggestion, Nemesis. I used to think IF could only be done 16/8 style, but obviously...that's not true. I'm really looking into the biochemical implications of leptin resetting now, since it's very surprising that it's working...

0
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 03, 2012
at 11:28 PM

How do you spell relief? T-R-I-F-F-A-L-A. Trifala half teaspoon at night. See what happens.

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 05, 2012
at 05:54 PM

I think it's "Triphala." Thank you for the suggestion, but as I continue reading and researching about nutrition, I feel-like for my current state, I don't like relying on supplements of any kind. Proper nutrition should come from high quality food. This isn't to detract, in any way, that supplements are beneficial for those who need it

0
535fafe8afe6923870905c707c4f4454

on April 03, 2012
at 10:46 PM

Taking mag citrate before bed ensures im ready to go soon as I wake up

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 03, 2012
at 11:19 PM

I've tried Natural Calm, it doesn't seem to do much of anything positive, except some bloating, and maybe increases my movements to like 5-6 a day. Perhaps I should dial down the dose.

535fafe8afe6923870905c707c4f4454

(720)

on April 04, 2012
at 09:58 AM

I should also add some personal experience which might be helpful. I find that I often release my bowel movement and that satisfies my 'need' to go.. but I know if I start to finish up here I will not be satisfied long term. I usually wait a few minutes and move my body around abit to stimulate peristaltic movement and the 2nd movement of the toilet trip will arrive. It took me a while to discover this second movement and it has consistently come since I've allowed the time for it. Makes the whole trip abit longer unfortunately but worth it. P.S I go to the toilet in squat position which helps

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 05, 2012
at 07:26 PM

PM, mine work the same way. The initial poop comes out, then I wait a few more minutes and the rest starts working its way out of my system. Usually the second (half) is mushier and has bits of plant matter. Makes sense, as what's coming out then is what I most recently ate (and I tend to eat veggies with dinner) and has not spent as much time in my colon.

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 05, 2012
at 05:52 PM

I see. I feel, the more I think about it, the worse it gets...better to not stress about it, eat well, move around, be happy, and things may be better. So far, it's gotten better?

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