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Have you started eating some grains?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 25, 2012 at 12:20 AM

I'm wondering what grains you've incorporated into your eating, if you have.

I've been strictly paleo with various carb levels for over two years, and in the last 1-2 months have started eating white rice, wild rice, sprouted spelt, oatmeal, sprouted quinoa, sprouted brown rice, and buckwheat.

I've been feeling fine - the same. But it has improved my digestion and so I thought I'd see what others are eating.

I never had digestion issues on strict paleo but my bowel movements were indeed looser than what I would consider usual. No diarrhea or anything, just not well-formed. With the grains in my daily eating I have perfectly well-formed, more solid movements.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

I can't find sprouted buckwheat but if I could I'd be all over it. I love buckwheat. years in Japan converted me.

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on June 03, 2012
at 02:23 AM

Metamucil is a serial toilet assassin.

4cbc4488855b0421943b57de0a9018c2

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on June 03, 2012
at 02:22 AM

you can get plenty of fiber from certain vegetables, sans gluten and more nutrients, so grains are not optimal.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 27, 2012
at 12:26 AM

I did enjoy reading that post. Good to see honest people

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 27, 2012
at 12:26 AM

what's with the edit, Arwen? Not down with the assassin?

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on May 26, 2012
at 04:22 PM

sometimes I wish I could unlearn it all, and someone just suggesting eating clean and I was like oh ok ... now I fear everything I used to consider ok. Fruit, starches, corn and beans, hummus (I used to love hummus) It's ridiculous!

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

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on May 26, 2012
at 06:01 AM

Same-ish experience with both Ben and ForeverYoung. Took em' out. Felt better, but wasn't terrible on them. (Perhaps some very slight inflammation, but too many variables for good science). A bit scared to add back in. Not carb-phobic, just avoiding toxins.

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on May 25, 2012
at 10:20 PM

I had half a pita for lunch. It was soft and very good with my gyro meat (probably not grass-fed! *gasp!*), but I ended up just eating the filling out of it after a few bites. And revoke my paleo membership, I ate fries, fried in who-knows-what rancid oil! Am I going to die?!

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on May 25, 2012
at 10:19 PM

There's a lot of grain-products out there worth eating, in my opinion. But nasty-ass white Wonderbread is not one of them. ;)

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 25, 2012
at 10:04 PM

If you're going to eat bread, baguettes are the shit, yes.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:39 PM

I have nothing against a bowl of rice. However, buckwheat and oatmeal most of the time are processed in the same facility as wheat and they are cross-contaminated by gluten. I had no idea about it, found out by getting sick and calling the processing factories. Make sure the oats are gluten-free. And buckwheat too. Don't assume it has no gluten naturally.

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:16 PM

I agree with Matt, unless you have health problems (including mental health, etc), there's no reason to obsessively avoid gluten 100% of the time. I think we all agree that gluten is problematic, but the occassional piece of bread will not give you leaky gut, MS, alzheimers and make you fat. Even Mark Sisson admits he has the occassional piece of baguette! So everybody chillll.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:10 PM

Not to pile on but Matt's way of thinking seems appropriate to me. Some people do indeed have major issues with a certain item, gluten/wheat being one. But that is always a minority of the population.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:08 PM

Processed foods like you guys mention, yes I'd agree there nasty. I'm talking about a bowl of rice, bowl of oatmeal, bowl of buckwheat groats - these are not nearly as dry and tasteless as the flour-based products you're talking about.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:06 PM

You're semi-right;)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 25, 2012
at 10:59 AM

There are some folks, such as yourself, who were born with latent celiac disease. Gluten causes damage right from the start with the first dose. *Most people however aren't celiac.* Gluten is not a toxin, it's a storage protein used by the seed during germination. So it makes no sense that in normal folks that gluten would be damaging. Of course, once some gut pathology develops (i.e. leaky gut) all bets are off. Yes, I deviate from the paleo line on this topic, and recognise that other folks may disagree with my take on it. We'll have to agree to disagree.

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on May 25, 2012
at 05:59 AM

This has happened to me with a lot of grain products as well. They're so damn DRY! Who would consider something that dry to be food? I generally don't drink during a good paleo meal; don't need to. Yet I can't get a bite of grain product down without something to wash it down with.

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on May 25, 2012
at 04:16 AM

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on May 25, 2012
at 03:46 AM

Buckwheat and quinoa are pseudograins :D

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 25, 2012
at 02:54 AM

Matt, the reason why I am so against wheat is that you will not notice any damage after 1st, 2nd, 3rd or even 1,003rd time you eat it. The damage is so unnoticeable, it will literally take decades to disintegrate your body from the inside. If I knew it in my 20s I would not be where I am now. Have you wheat and enjoy it but remember - it is not safe. It is like eating a tiny bit of poison that will show no ill effects for many many years but the damage is being done.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 25, 2012
at 02:49 AM

I think you might be noticing inflammation after buckwheat since it could be cross-contaminated by gluten. Buckwheat is usually processed at the same facilities where they process wheat. Just so you know.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on May 25, 2012
at 01:01 AM

Yeah Ed, brown is tougher

01eb62476756ea980bf8fc048179d4bc

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:54 AM

So it's actually easier to digest, not harder.

01eb62476756ea980bf8fc048179d4bc

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:54 AM

white rice is "better" than brown rice because it has the bran removed, which is where most of the insoluble fiber and toxins are stored. What's left is basically just starch.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:45 AM

I just got bored and couldn't think of another tag. Assassin seemed decent. Keep it light hearted yknow.

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:44 AM

I'd go with white rice too. It just tastes way better. Brown rice texture sucks. I think they're both pretty benign. Some will say the wee bit of bran or fiber or whatever in brown rice is unhealthy but it's so minuscule I can't see it actually factoring in.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:43 AM

I gotcha. I never had issues to start with so it wasn't too scary to eat grains again.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:42 AM

It's funny you say that cuz I never had digestive issues with eating grains throughout 32 years of life either. But after going paleo, feeling good (once I started eating a ton of starch from potatoes), and just reading the same people all the time I became pretty fearful of grains, too. Now I'm doing fine with them (better id say). I'm not bashing paleo, I think it helps a lot of people who do have issues. I just think maybe for those Without issues to begin with I don't think the grains are doing anything bad. Processed junk food? Yes it's poison, but grains themselves? I don't think so

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:39 AM

I eat brown rice. LIke the way it works on my system. But honestly, bowels are fine without it. IT really depends on the person.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:38 AM

it's a little tougher to digest

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:35 AM

why is white rice better than brown? :S ...sorry, n00b here haha

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:31 AM

You have to combine it with another tag, like toilet. As in toilet-assassin. Then you can make statements like "eating sprouted grains turned me into a toilet-assassin".

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:28 AM

I just think he's trying to come up with a new tag to earn a badge. :P

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:25 AM

why puzzling? makes sense to me.

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:21 AM

Assassin? Intriguing tag, but puzzling in this context.

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on May 25, 2012
at 12:36 AM

Nah, man. Even though I used to eat oatmeal (40g, pre workout) everyday religiously for 2 years with absolutely no ill effects, I've become too scared of grains after so much carb bashing, and despite not nonoticing any improvements after removing them or anything deleterious from consuming them, I still have yet to go back to them. I do eat white rice when I go out for sushi though, which ends up being about 1x per week. I wish I had never read Sisson, Taubes, or Wolf, or knew of the name Lustig. It has resulted in orthorexia, to the point where I paleo hack from my cell phone at all hours and check this site as compulsively as I check my day-trades.

I do eat carbs though- fruit, sugar, and potatoes.

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

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on May 26, 2012
at 06:01 AM

Same-ish experience with both Ben and ForeverYoung. Took em' out. Felt better, but wasn't terrible on them. (Perhaps some very slight inflammation, but too many variables for good science). A bit scared to add back in. Not carb-phobic, just avoiding toxins.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

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on May 26, 2012
at 04:22 PM

sometimes I wish I could unlearn it all, and someone just suggesting eating clean and I was like oh ok ... now I fear everything I used to consider ok. Fruit, starches, corn and beans, hummus (I used to love hummus) It's ridiculous!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2012
at 12:42 AM

It's funny you say that cuz I never had digestive issues with eating grains throughout 32 years of life either. But after going paleo, feeling good (once I started eating a ton of starch from potatoes), and just reading the same people all the time I became pretty fearful of grains, too. Now I'm doing fine with them (better id say). I'm not bashing paleo, I think it helps a lot of people who do have issues. I just think maybe for those Without issues to begin with I don't think the grains are doing anything bad. Processed junk food? Yes it's poison, but grains themselves? I don't think so

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on May 25, 2012
at 04:16 AM

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 25, 2012
at 02:34 AM

I have not had any grains since October 22 last year, when I first started Paleo. About a week ago I saw special gluten-free waffles that were made of oat and buckwheat flour. I tried them because I used to love them.

Guess what? Grains no longer taste good for me. Since they had honey listed as one of the ingredients, they were sweet and I loved the sweetness of them but I wrote it in my "food dairy" - I no longer find grains palatable. I do not enjoy the taste.

I have nothing against gluten-free grains (I am celiac so I know the danger of gluten all too well) except for I can get better nutrients from something else. It is like - why drink milk if you could have fish? Or why to eat fruit when you can get more nutrients from vegetables?

I have never questioned tubers though. They feel right in my stomach. I think starch is very important for every human and I get plenty of starch from beets, pumpkin, squash, parsnips and other tubers. On top of that, I think tubers provide more nutrients than grains.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:08 PM

Processed foods like you guys mention, yes I'd agree there nasty. I'm talking about a bowl of rice, bowl of oatmeal, bowl of buckwheat groats - these are not nearly as dry and tasteless as the flour-based products you're talking about.

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

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on May 25, 2012
at 05:59 AM

This has happened to me with a lot of grain products as well. They're so damn DRY! Who would consider something that dry to be food? I generally don't drink during a good paleo meal; don't need to. Yet I can't get a bite of grain product down without something to wash it down with.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:39 PM

I have nothing against a bowl of rice. However, buckwheat and oatmeal most of the time are processed in the same facility as wheat and they are cross-contaminated by gluten. I had no idea about it, found out by getting sick and calling the processing factories. Make sure the oats are gluten-free. And buckwheat too. Don't assume it has no gluten naturally.

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on May 25, 2012
at 03:42 AM

If you so want to eat grains, fine, but steer clear of the gluten/gliadin. Grains still have self defense mechanisms from being fully broken down by any digestive system, even the gluten free ones. Just stay the hell away from gliadin and gluten, and when you question why, remind yourself of what leaky gut is, how through leaky gut proteins enter your body in an unorthodox fashion, and how your body perceives those proteins, as well as what your body does to "protect" itself from them since they didnt enter the proper way and through proper breakdown.

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on May 25, 2012
at 02:29 AM

The only grain I eat is boiled, white rice as it's the "least worst option". I'm fine with it other than I can feel hungry in the middle of the night if I've eaten it for dinner. The origin, quality and processing of any grains I think is super important and the potentially detrimental cumulative effect over a long period (i.e. years rather than months) means I'm happy to steer clear of them and not feel like I might be missing out.

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on May 25, 2012
at 01:17 AM

I occasionally eat rice, or quinoa. I don't notice any ill-effects from either. It seems reasonable to me since I'm athletic and lean (I'm trying to gain weight, not loose it), so my body does better with slightly higher carbs. I think it's a very personal thing - just like some people can tolerate milk and I can't, I can tolerate rice and some people can't.

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:36 AM

I have not added any grains. I have had a little milk here and there. But I'm honestly slightly scared to add grains. I had major digestive issues before Paleo and I am not trying to have that madness happen again.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:43 AM

I gotcha. I never had issues to start with so it wasn't too scary to eat grains again.

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64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:29 AM

I do fine with white rice (which I eat regularly). I haven't had brown rice in many years, but buckwheat and quinoa seem to give me a little trouble. I notice a little bit of inflammation after buckwheat (I had it 1x/week in pancakes 3 weeks in a row). I can't put my finger on quinoa but I seem to feel better without it. Sprouting definitely does good things to the nutrient values so definitely stick with that if possible.

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:54 AM

So it's actually easier to digest, not harder.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:38 AM

it's a little tougher to digest

01eb62476756ea980bf8fc048179d4bc

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:54 AM

white rice is "better" than brown rice because it has the bran removed, which is where most of the insoluble fiber and toxins are stored. What's left is basically just starch.

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:35 AM

why is white rice better than brown? :S ...sorry, n00b here haha

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on May 25, 2012
at 01:01 AM

Yeah Ed, brown is tougher

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:44 AM

I'd go with white rice too. It just tastes way better. Brown rice texture sucks. I think they're both pretty benign. Some will say the wee bit of bran or fiber or whatever in brown rice is unhealthy but it's so minuscule I can't see it actually factoring in.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 25, 2012
at 02:49 AM

I think you might be noticing inflammation after buckwheat since it could be cross-contaminated by gluten. Buckwheat is usually processed at the same facilities where they process wheat. Just so you know.

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on May 26, 2012
at 04:15 AM

After 16 months off all grains, I've added back white rice, which has proven easier to digest than my previous sources of starch (roots and tubers). I credit Melissa McEwen's blog, especially the post Why Paleo didn't fix my IBS, with helping me overcome my irrational fear of rice.

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on May 27, 2012
at 12:26 AM

I did enjoy reading that post. Good to see honest people

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on May 25, 2012
at 06:56 PM

We are going on an extreme food budget next year during the husband's PhD program, so I have been experimenting with soaked oats and soaked rice.

My husband likes them both. I do okay with the oats, but not so great with the rice. My toddler loves the oat bake, and she's definitely a meat and fruit and veggie eater - kid hates grains for the most part, which I really like usually. :-) I've actually found that introducing oats back into my diet has reduced the frequency of my bowel movements.

But then again, I'm almost 8 months pregnant. It could be that, too, and not the oats. :-)

I feel okay. Not awful enough to stop. It gives me energy and fills me up. And I have to find ways to feed our family on a ridiculous budget next year. We'll make do, but if I had my choice, I wouldn't do any grains at all.

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on May 25, 2012
at 06:21 PM

Corn for me, in the form of tortillas, masa, the occasional roasted on-the-cob.

But they are far from staples in my diet. Maybe once per month.

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on May 25, 2012
at 01:23 AM

I eat a sushi roll about once a week. Other than that, I pretty much avoid anything starchy.

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on May 25, 2012
at 01:13 AM

Rice has always been a go-to cheat starch when eating out, but it's actually made its way back into my kitchen. I don't eat a lot of though. I've decided that currently I can handle wheat without issue. Again, it's not a regular thing, but even a substantial dose leaves me unfazed. I don't miss things like oats, at all, so that's something I've yet to even think about. Other grains, I haven't experimented with at all. I might pick up some buckwheat or sorghum flour to see how that works.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 25, 2012
at 10:59 AM

There are some folks, such as yourself, who were born with latent celiac disease. Gluten causes damage right from the start with the first dose. *Most people however aren't celiac.* Gluten is not a toxin, it's a storage protein used by the seed during germination. So it makes no sense that in normal folks that gluten would be damaging. Of course, once some gut pathology develops (i.e. leaky gut) all bets are off. Yes, I deviate from the paleo line on this topic, and recognise that other folks may disagree with my take on it. We'll have to agree to disagree.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 25, 2012
at 10:20 PM

I had half a pita for lunch. It was soft and very good with my gyro meat (probably not grass-fed! *gasp!*), but I ended up just eating the filling out of it after a few bites. And revoke my paleo membership, I ate fries, fried in who-knows-what rancid oil! Am I going to die?!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 25, 2012
at 02:54 AM

Matt, the reason why I am so against wheat is that you will not notice any damage after 1st, 2nd, 3rd or even 1,003rd time you eat it. The damage is so unnoticeable, it will literally take decades to disintegrate your body from the inside. If I knew it in my 20s I would not be where I am now. Have you wheat and enjoy it but remember - it is not safe. It is like eating a tiny bit of poison that will show no ill effects for many many years but the damage is being done.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 25, 2012
at 10:19 PM

There's a lot of grain-products out there worth eating, in my opinion. But nasty-ass white Wonderbread is not one of them. ;)

01eb62476756ea980bf8fc048179d4bc

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:16 PM

I agree with Matt, unless you have health problems (including mental health, etc), there's no reason to obsessively avoid gluten 100% of the time. I think we all agree that gluten is problematic, but the occassional piece of bread will not give you leaky gut, MS, alzheimers and make you fat. Even Mark Sisson admits he has the occassional piece of baguette! So everybody chillll.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:10 PM

Not to pile on but Matt's way of thinking seems appropriate to me. Some people do indeed have major issues with a certain item, gluten/wheat being one. But that is always a minority of the population.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 25, 2012
at 10:04 PM

If you're going to eat bread, baguettes are the shit, yes.

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:54 AM

I eat sushi once a month!

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on May 25, 2012
at 06:47 PM

I'm trying to lose weight still, but I occasionally eat rice or corn. If I try to eat any wheat products though, my sinuses flare up and give me the nastiest sinus pressure headaches.

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on May 25, 2012
at 06:11 PM

I've added white rice, sprouted quinoa, sprouted buckwheat and use masa harina to make cornbread.

I eat sprouted lentils and white beans too. Love making salads with those!

No issues at all but I do have to stay away from gluten. Which is a shame...the sourdough bread here in germany smells painfully delicious.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

I can't find sprouted buckwheat but if I could I'd be all over it. I love buckwheat. years in Japan converted me.

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on May 26, 2012
at 02:54 PM

Grains just aren't appealing to me now

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on May 26, 2012
at 02:17 PM

Much depends on your body chemistry. Some have gluten issues. I need 3 balanced meals a day and am very sensitive to sugar. I do have brown basmati rice with wild rice. It tastes very good and the fact it does not cause the huge hit that white rice causes is better for me (I have no gluten problems). I don't eat bread ever.

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on May 26, 2012
at 12:57 AM

basmati brown rice, yeahhh !! :D

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on May 25, 2012
at 06:21 PM

I tried adding in oatmeal out of curiosity (and I did miss the convenience at breakfast), and it made me break out with acne again so I've stopped that.

Wheat will give me gas within about an hour's time of eating it, and lately I've noticed my throat feels a bit tighter afterwards -- so both are a pretty strong disincentive.

I haven't had any issues with rice.

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