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What is your "Post-Paleo" diet?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 20, 2010 at 3:34 PM

In other words, using paleo as a middle ground, did you move further to the right (zero-carb, raw meat, only loincloths ;) ). Perhaps you went further left (Weston A. Price recommendations, or something in like with Berardi's Precision Nutrition). After following the letter of the law, how have you moved to the spirit of the law?

Personally I've moved toward WAP: I have a serving of sprouted grain daily, wild rice on occasion and maintain 90% compliance because I most certainly still like pizza. :)

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on May 12, 2012
at 01:20 PM

I really like Ray Peat's articles, and I can totally get behind the idea of completely minimizing polyunsaturates, but is it decidedly non-Peatarian to avoid large sugar loads? I eat a few potatoes every other day, but my average carb intake is usually about 120-150g.

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on May 11, 2012
at 11:41 PM

Yes smile, you cant forget to smile.

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on May 11, 2012
at 11:40 PM

+1 on the "paleo products"

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on May 11, 2012
at 08:38 PM

Weston A. Price Foundation.

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on May 11, 2012
at 07:50 PM

Love the question. "Post-paleo syndrome" should be discussed more thoroughly. Once the initial euphoria wears off, and one is once again thrust into a nuanced nutritional world, it can be a bit jarring.

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on May 11, 2012
at 06:49 PM

how are you consuming the grains? I plan on looking more into WAPF, just wondering if it is worth the trouble of preparing the grains. I eat rice, and that pretty much does the job for me. That being said, always up for a lil change :)

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on May 11, 2012
at 06:33 PM

Speaking for myself, it's easy for me to get consumed by a certain ideal and lose track of the big picture. I believe the body to be very resilient and having an occasional goodie or whatever it is that one likes to eat or drink is not going to cause short or long term damage.

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on May 11, 2012
at 02:55 PM

Hear hear! So tired of "Grok." It may astonish many "gurus" to find out that women exist. And that we have different needs and goals based on evolution. Like breast feeding.

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on May 11, 2012
at 02:43 PM

PBR was my "slumming" beer back in my punk rock days (which is why I groan at concerts now when I see a PBR bullet-can going for $6). If I'm going to go into discomfort for a beer, it's going to be a craft beer... :-) Your description of "Paleo Pancakes" and "Paleo Cookies" is SPOT-ON the way that I feel about them.

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on May 11, 2012
at 02:14 PM

Thank you for the reminder of eating nothing for eternity. Very refreshing reminder. Sincerely,

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on May 11, 2012
at 12:29 PM

What is WAPF? Just wondering.

F00e022ce184879578d0829d8d09a85d

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on May 11, 2012
at 03:56 AM

I stopped eating nuts as well and fruits for the most part. I see no need to stuff myself on sugary foods, which includes fruit. That doesn't mean I will never eat them, it would only be as an exception. Also when I do make an exception and eat fruit it is in the form of berries.

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on May 11, 2012
at 03:51 AM

Bacon is a beautiful thing period.:)

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on March 02, 2010
at 06:16 PM

Pretty much where I'm at...raw dairy has been a great addition. As others have said, nuts don't really make a whole lot of sense. Back and forth on fasting...mostly due to the foot cramps I'll get at night if I work out hard and don't eat quite enough. Might need to sport the vibrams a little more ;)

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on February 25, 2010
at 01:54 AM

Wow! Are you a CPA? Cheers,

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on February 21, 2010
at 09:48 AM

Didn't get it from PaNu, but also put some more dairy in and nuts out.

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9722850c9a1c47b79edf7c4233040248

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on February 22, 2010
at 04:06 PM

I lean between Panu and WAPF. Panu for its science-centeredness and tolerance of certain neo foods, and WAPF because I plan to spend the next 7-10 years making babies and breastfeeding them, and WAPF has much more information on maternal and infant nutrition. And I need to get all that f*&^ing folic acid somehow - sometimes it's just easier to have some properly prepared lentil soup than all those fresh leafy greens, especially in winter. (I know I could take a pill - I see no reason to if I can get it naturally, and I figure that no pill is without side-effects, whether or not they're recognized today.) If Panu had a lot of maternal nutrition info I'd go in that direction, though.

Ddfdaa75ac9f47e01fc71162dd0d38dc

on May 11, 2012
at 02:55 PM

Hear hear! So tired of "Grok." It may astonish many "gurus" to find out that women exist. And that we have different needs and goals based on evolution. Like breast feeding.

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on February 21, 2010
at 09:09 PM

I dunno whether this counts as right, left, up, down, or what... I'm less concerned with conforming to someone else's idea of "Paleo" than I am with running my body on the stuff it likes best. That said, I guess I'd say I'm mostly in PaNu territory. I'm not big on dairy, but I do eat butter and occasional cheeses. About 80% of my meat and poultry is grass-finished or pastured; I expect that to be 100% within a few months. When I eat nuts they're pistachios or cashews and they're a treat, not a staple.

Produce... I'm more likely to eat berries or a clementine or an apple occasionally than I am to pig out on vegetables, but I like greens/tomato/olive salads with olive oil and balsamic vinegar and eat them occasionally, and every now and then I have a few french fries (homemade by me using good fats). I don't worry about incidental sugars -- a teaspoon of sugar in a marinade or stir-fry sauce, like that -- but I don't eat anything a normal SAD-eating person would think of as "sweet". I personally cook almost everything I eat.

I eat no gluten at all, ever; no soy products of any kind unless fermented (and those only as condiments), no canola oil, almost no corn oil. I love rice but eat it only occasionally, and in small quantities; and no corn except fresh, local, on the cob and in season or an occasional bit of cornstarch in a sauce. My calories tend to run roughly 65/25/10 F/P/C on average. There's a little peanut and sesame oil in there but almost all of the fat is animal, olive, or coconut. Bacon grease is a beautiful thing.

I also take a bunch of supplements, but 40 years of undiagnosed celiac gave my body some interesting damage from the oh-shit side of the autoimmune-disease spectrum, so that's a place where your mileage will almost certainly vary. I do believe that D3 and K2 are a good idea for pretty much everybody, though.

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on May 11, 2012
at 03:51 AM

Bacon is a beautiful thing period.:)

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on February 20, 2010
at 04:58 PM

I take Laird Hamilton's approach. I'm paraphrasing here, but his goal is to build a diesel engine to power his body. He looks to construct most of his meals in a paleo (lowish carb) manner, but he doesn't freak out if he occasionally has a cheese burger. I only shop for and buy meat, fruits and veggies for my home. Sometimes opportunity presents a cheese burger or pizza as the meal (especially in social situations). Having a body that is able to adapt and deal with those opportunities is important. BTW, Laird's book is surprisingly good.

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on May 11, 2012
at 12:17 PM

I pretty much went back to WAP:

  • meat, as good quality as I can do but usually just CAFO
  • starchy roots
  • fermented veg
  • random other veg
  • a few grains, usually sprouted unless its rice. Rice I just do white. Nothing processed in bags, etc. No fast food, blah blah.

Just eat smart. All the rest is silly details I've found.

Oh and move around and try to do some lifting with some regularity.

Don't get fat.

Smile more than you do now.

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on May 11, 2012
at 11:41 PM

Yes smile, you cant forget to smile.

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on March 02, 2010
at 05:17 AM

"Post-Paleo"?

I look at it differently. There isn't any one diet that is "officially Paleo." Instead, there are a bunch of diets that are inspired by the eating habits of our Paleolithic ancestors. It seems like many people slide around from one flavor of the diet to another until they find the one that works best for them, but I wouldn't call that "post Paleo" -- that would be if you went into something entirely different, like Zone or South Beach or Atkins.

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on February 21, 2010
at 01:42 AM

I've stopped consuming so much fruits and nuts and gone more towards WAPF. I eat tubers now, plus some fermented vegetables and grains....and occasional butter. I work with some WAPFers so I have more access to their food and it's tempting, esp since I lost all the weight I wanted to and now would like to gain a little actually.

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on May 11, 2012
at 06:49 PM

how are you consuming the grains? I plan on looking more into WAPF, just wondering if it is worth the trouble of preparing the grains. I eat rice, and that pretty much does the job for me. That being said, always up for a lil change :)

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on May 11, 2012
at 03:56 AM

I stopped eating nuts as well and fruits for the most part. I see no need to stuff myself on sugary foods, which includes fruit. That doesn't mean I will never eat them, it would only be as an exception. Also when I do make an exception and eat fruit it is in the form of berries.

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on February 20, 2010
at 06:43 PM

I have moved towards convenience which I have found as lacto-paleo low-veggie. WAPF food takes a long time to prepare properly. Vegetables take more time just because they are an addition to the main course because they are low calorie (except for potatoes). Meat, dairy, and sweet potatoes are easy. I do take the time to make stock, which you could see as a WAPF recommendation. On the weekends I often experiment and make things that take more effort.

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on May 11, 2012
at 12:29 PM

What is WAPF? Just wondering.

870fdea50f2a9f1cd2890c8e22549300

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on May 11, 2012
at 08:38 PM

Weston A. Price Foundation.

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on February 20, 2010
at 03:49 PM

I've mostly moved to PaNu. Dairy is in, nuts are few. ATM I'm looking into intermitted fasting a little more, since my fat loss has stalled for the last two months. Looking good so far (1 week in) and it's fun too!

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on February 21, 2010
at 09:48 AM

Didn't get it from PaNu, but also put some more dairy in and nuts out.

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on March 02, 2010
at 06:16 PM

Pretty much where I'm at...raw dairy has been a great addition. As others have said, nuts don't really make a whole lot of sense. Back and forth on fasting...mostly due to the foot cramps I'll get at night if I work out hard and don't eat quite enough. Might need to sport the vibrams a little more ;)

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on February 23, 2010
at 11:22 PM

I have moved from a paleo optimum-health diet to an evolutionary reasoned but medically science based optimum-health for longevity diet.

This basically means I am taking a whole bunch of supplements, and eating a few neolithic foods, all of which I believe 'enhance or optimise' my health over a paleolithic diet (which I would describe as achieving perfect health for reproduction and survival).

This is most likely too 'micromanaged' (as Dr Harris would describe it) for some, but I seem to thrive on these small details and I am a bit of a perfectionist...

Basically I've tracked a few weeks of my eating in a sophisticated nutrition tracking software call CRON-O-Meter which gives you full macro-nutrient, vitamin and mineral breakdown. Based on much research I have adjusted a few RDA's for certain vitamins/minerals (Vitamin D for example the RDA is 400IU, I have adjusted my personal RDA to 5000IU. Overall though it appears the RDAs for most vitamins/minerals are right on the money and a lot of science behind it) that I believe support this optimisation of health for longevity, and then I have fixed up any deficiencies I have with various vitamin/mineral supplements...

My diet is primarily plant [vegetable] based with all meals usually containing more plant that meat (although the majority calories are coming from the meat). I eat a very low amount of fruit, mainly consisting of berries. As a general rule if I can't eat the skin I don't eat it (the skin on an apple for example has 99% of the phytonutrients and 90% of the fibre!). Although I do love my mangoes in summer. I eat a few neolithic foods such as Greek yoghurt, whey protein, and occasionally some oats-gluten-free-plus a few others.

In a nutshell I am following Mark Sisson's Primal Blueprint except I came to most of the conclusions about the vitamin/mineral supplementation through my own research not his endorsements. I initially criticised him for endorsing supplements due to it being very unpaleo but I now totally agree with him. When draw on as a whole nutrient depleted soils/food, modern chemicals and pollution, stress, and a huge volume of medical literature showing the efficacy and safety of certain supplements, I really think the moderate supplementation route is the way to go for optimum health.

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on February 25, 2010
at 01:54 AM

Wow! Are you a CPA? Cheers,

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on February 23, 2010
at 01:34 PM

I'm still in a sort of transition, as I learn more and discover what my body likes. I started out with primarily a quality of food shift, away from processed foods. Gradually, I have incorporated more wisdom in regard to appropriate fruit intake, cooking methods, and macronutrient ratios. I try to avoid grains as much as possible, so I suppose that puts me more on the right?

I don't miss pizza at all really. I suppose I'm just not that emotionally attached to food.

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on February 20, 2010
at 04:16 PM

I'm also moving more towards PaNu. Including high-fat and fermented dairy now, already having little fruit, and working very hard to cut back on nuts. I still eat lots of veggies, but once I get higher-quality meat and offal I don't think that's as important. The good thing is that it adds bulk, and I like to eat a lot...

I've already been doing intermittent fasting since starting paleo. Started with daily 18 hour fasts and occasional ad lib days, but I'm trying to mix it up a bit with 24 hour fasts, and also include CR days.

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on February 20, 2010
at 04:11 PM

Shockingly, by your model I've moved slightly to the right!

I've progressively become lower carb, I suppose more of a hyperlipid model, insofar as I try to keep protein comparatively low (still more than a pound of meat a day) but with fewer carbs. I would love to be a bit more permissive and include more dairy in the form of yoghurt and mature cheese, but can't really handle lactose, whey or A1 casein (love goat's cheese but too expensive to justify).

If we're taking something like Cordain or Mark Sisson to be mainstream, then I'm also a lot less concerned about getting lots and lots of plants into my diet due to a combination of cost, convenience, (digestive) comfort and being somewhat convinced by Peter's arguments that masses of fibre and plant anti-oxidants may be undesirable. I eat veg pretty selectively therefore, going for typically 265g of spinach or a whole brocolli. In the future I forsee myself eating slightly more plants/carb.

I guess one area where I'm more of a paleo-extremist is nuts/seeds, which I'm generally pretty anti (although still include macadamia nuts). But here I don't think I'm going beyond paleo, I just think people like Mark Sisson and Cordain are too liberal about how paleo masses of nuts and seeds are. I don't see the appeal of bread enough to feel any sort of pull to WAP, though I'd like it if oats were alright, since I used to live on them pre-paleo (especially useful for long hikes).

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on May 11, 2012
at 01:37 PM

My diet has been about the same for around 3 years:

Almost always on a 16 hr daily fast. Almost always two meal per day. Almost always train in a fasted state. Almost always add starch - if at all - post workout.

Mostly meat - I eat around a pound PWO and around a pound for dinner. I eat quality when I can but don't sweat too much about it. I stick with red meat options and rarely have chicken. When it is chicken it has to be skin on or thighs. If breast I will never make it through the 16 hr fast.

Limit Fruit - After cutting it I really don't miss it so why add it back in?

A ton of Kale - cheaper and more nutrition than lettuce.

Constantly trying to increase the amount of fermented food I eat. Constantly failing.- This is the fall I make my own kraut. It is cheap and easy and great for me. Ok well I didn't get around to it but this summer I make my own sour pickles. They are cheap and easy ......

Rice apx twice a month - chinese or sushi usually twice a month. White rice, steamed.

Corn tortilla twice a month - mexican usually twice a month.

Heavy cream and butter cause me no problems. Raw cheese causes minor digestion problems. I still eat it on occasion.

No paleo products - I hate the idea of paleo bread, paleo cookies, paleo pancakes, etc... as much as I hate the idea of Tofurkey.

I like beer. I know I should drink red wine or socal margaritas but I don't like them. I like PBR. So I drink PBR. A few times a month and mostly in excess. I'm a bad person.

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on May 11, 2012
at 02:43 PM

PBR was my "slumming" beer back in my punk rock days (which is why I groan at concerts now when I see a PBR bullet-can going for $6). If I'm going to go into discomfort for a beer, it's going to be a craft beer... :-) Your description of "Paleo Pancakes" and "Paleo Cookies" is SPOT-ON the way that I feel about them.

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on May 11, 2012
at 11:40 PM

+1 on the "paleo products"

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on May 11, 2012
at 01:02 PM

Lowish-carb Primal for me. I include a sparing amount of hard cheese and copious butter as the mood strikes me while still avoiding anything particularly high in lactose (milk, soft cheese).

I also now enjoy a beer every now and again, as long as I am moderate in the intake it doesn't end up as a binge. Red Wine (Cabernet/Pinot Noir... "I'M NOT DRINKING MERLOT!") is a bit more frequent (1-2 glasses 3x weekly).

My only safe-grain would be corn in the form of masa, I might have corn tortillas twice a month.

I still very much avoid grains, not only does gluten make me ill, but "simple starches" such as white rice still seem to aggravate my colon somewhat, as does sugar and gnarly veggie oils such as the majority of most fried foods (french fries).

I also like to focus on my "superfoods" still, so I enjoy very paleo meals such as liver with apples and onions, side of sauteed kale or mashed pumpkin with nutmeg and butter. I also eat plenty of fermented foods to mitigate gut issues and because sauerkraut is just so damn good with a homemade sausage.

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on May 11, 2012
at 03:50 AM

I went to more of an Asian styled eating, which is mainly vegetables, meat, and rice as my staple carb. I do eat some sprouted grain bread and some corn, as well I also cut back on the amount of fat. I can't justify the amount of fat that some groups promote and prefer to take a moderate approach. I find with anything balance and moderation does more to promote health and a long-term diet. If I want something I will eat it, when I die I will have an eternity to eat nothing.:)

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on May 11, 2012
at 06:33 PM

Speaking for myself, it's easy for me to get consumed by a certain ideal and lose track of the big picture. I believe the body to be very resilient and having an occasional goodie or whatever it is that one likes to eat or drink is not going to cause short or long term damage.

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on May 11, 2012
at 02:14 PM

Thank you for the reminder of eating nothing for eternity. Very refreshing reminder. Sincerely,

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on May 11, 2012
at 07:44 PM

The only thing that's remained consistent is my shunning of grains

I've introduced regular potatoes into my diet and I think I feel better for it

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on May 11, 2012
at 06:49 AM

I eat low protein,med carb and high fat.

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on February 22, 2010
at 09:45 PM

I started at WAPF and moved further toward PaNu. I've eliminated 99% of nuts from my diet, eat cheese very sparingly, eliminated milk and yogurt, and eat zero grains/tubers now.

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on May 11, 2012
at 11:38 PM

I just added some legumes and will occasionally have some yogurt, but dairy still does all kinds of nasty stuff to my gut.

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on May 11, 2012
at 08:50 PM

Attempting a move towards a Peatarian type diet.

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on May 12, 2012
at 01:20 PM

I really like Ray Peat's articles, and I can totally get behind the idea of completely minimizing polyunsaturates, but is it decidedly non-Peatarian to avoid large sugar loads? I eat a few potatoes every other day, but my average carb intake is usually about 120-150g.

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