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Week two....how am I doing?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 07, 2013 at 12:44 AM

Hi guys

I am new to primal/paelo eating, though I have been gluten-free and mostly dairy and sugar free for some time. I am 6'1, 225, 49, fit. My goal is to lose bodyfat as I maintain/increase muscle. My workout plan is P90x (second round) and I am happy with it. I have been eating primal for a couple of weeks now, and am in week six of P90x. I am dropping weight, but it is and alway is a very slow process for me.

Here is an approximate typical day for me, eating-wise, and I am using Fitday to keep track:

Breakfast:

Two omega-3 eggs scramble in tsp of clarified butter, slice of bacon, 0.5 slice of millet bread with pat of butter. Coffee black (only one cup a day)

Snack (pre-workout):

1.25 cup of unsweetened almond milk 0.33 cup of blueberries 1.5 scoops of rice protein powder 3 tblspoons of coconut oil 1 tbls of heavy cream, organic All blended into a shake

Snack (post workout):

1 tbls of almond butter .25 of medium apple 3 small blocks of 88% organic chocolate

Dinner:

8 oz of pork tenderloin 0.5 cup organic sauerkraut 1 cup steamed broccoli 1.5 pats of butter 2 gluten-free gingersnaps

Snack:

1 oz of roasted almonds

For yesterday, I ate 1943 calories (though most days I am in the 2400 range, more typically). I had 57% fat (118 g), 31% protein (140 g), and 13% carb (65 g).

Again this is pretty typical eating for me. I went through a definite "low-carb flu" but feel better now. Any hints or suggestions are welcome, and Im happy to be onboard here.

Brad

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on January 20, 2011
at 01:19 AM

Dude, Steph, me either! I just can't pull the trigger on my own. I need a Paleo food mentor to cook me things I think are weird and not tell me what they are until I declare them delicious. I have such a mental block against some things.

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on January 20, 2011
at 01:03 AM

I really do not believe paleo is about lean meats. Are you coming from a cordain/de vany approach?

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on January 20, 2011
at 12:30 AM

Great answer, totally agreed!

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on January 20, 2011
at 12:29 AM

Ditto -- I ate a lot more frankenpaleo foods like almond flour muffins, sugar free candy, etc. early on, but gradually the cravings reduced. Not quite up to organ meats yet though :)

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on January 20, 2011
at 12:25 AM

Added the link to Hunt.Gather.Love. :)

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on January 20, 2011
at 12:09 AM

Nope brad, you're not wrong. Certain paleo figures like Art DeVany and Cordain have strange ideas about saturated fat ( and suggest skinless chicken breast!! Haha) ...but most people seem to have realised that fat, and especially saturated fat, is the good stuff! Organs are even better but there's nothing wrong with bacon, and I think dairy is optional if tolerated (eg no stuffy sinuses with it- eliminate it to check!)

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on January 19, 2011
at 11:20 PM

I'm confuzed by this....from all of my reading, saturated fat is no longer the bad guy wheneating paleo. Is that wrong?

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on January 19, 2011
at 08:28 PM

You are doing pretty well Brad! It's a big change for a lot of people. You just need a few tweaks here and there. Some great ideas below.

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on January 19, 2011
at 08:19 PM

Let's drill down:

  • millet bread isn't paleo
  • rice protein powder isn't paleo
  • gluten-free ginger snaps are probably made of rice flour, and thus aren't paleo

Now I'm not going to say that everything I eat every day is perfectly paleo, but if your sample menu has this many grains/processed foods on it, you're not going to be headed in the right direction.

The best thing you can do right now is tough it out and fill out your diet with real foods. There is absolutely no reason to be eating bread, and I agree with Travis that you should maybe up the meat intake here at breakfast. Or consider adding veggies...tossing a scramble over some spinach, etc. is tasty.

Instead of doing a pre- and post-workout snack, try working out a little bit hungry and then eating a more substantial meal afterward...and not a liquid one, one made of actual food. If you want to lean out, don't drink your calories.

Dinner looks pretty good, but instead of the ginger snaps (hard to give up, I know) maybe try to look for a more paleo sweet, whether it's fruit and nuts or a custard. I do funky things like slice up half a banana and top it with a mix of 2 parts full-fat Greek yogurt to 1 part almond butter or sunbutter, topped with walnuts and cinnamon. Glorious.

You're getting there...just try to eat more foods that look like something you could get from nature.

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on January 20, 2011
at 12:30 AM

Great answer, totally agreed!

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on January 19, 2011
at 09:34 PM

Brad,
It looks like you're doing great so far. Your macronutrient ratios look good. If you're dissatified with your rate of fat loss and muscle gain, the suggestions I would have are:

1) You may need to increase your energy intake. An active, 100+ kg person may need 3000 to 4000 calories per day. If you starve yourself chronically, you may eventually lose more muscle than fat.

2) Eat less frequently, and give your body a chance to dip into those fat stores. Consider intermittent fasting (discussed in depth on previous threads).

3) Be careful of overtraining with P90X (or any crosstraining program). If you overtrain, you increase your stress and cortisol levels, which can inhibit fat loss.

Good luck!

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on January 19, 2011
at 07:29 PM

It looks pretty good overall, but it seems a little low on meat for my tastes. I generally skip the nuts and snacks and things and just eat 2-3 large, satisfying meals. The breakfast I just ate consisted of 4 eggs fried in pasture butter with 3 strips of turkey bacon and 1 small purple potato steamed and then buttered. I end up not having to eat for a long time afterward and can feel less tethered to food in general.

When you make a hard shift away from carbs and nuts, you don't really need to count calories. Apples are pretty high in fructose, and millet bread doesn't sound optimal.

That all being said, you may very well reach your goals with this diet given your activity level, but if you hit a plateau, you may want to reexamine a few of the details.

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on January 20, 2011
at 12:18 AM

I think I went through a pretty similar transition phase, where I'd eat more almond flour cake and nuts and fruit rather than just eating meat, eggs, vegetables and coconut oil. You're doing pretty well but how about introducing more neat and particularly organs- eg liver or heart etc? If you're not ready for that ease into it slowly and experemt at your own pace, but I'd say pass the man chops and breadcrumb free sausages for now! ;)

Also, as I said in a comment above, fat is GOOD. Don't drain your bacon, eat all the fat on the meat, eat spoonfuls of coconut oil, throw egg yolks in a smoothie or just fry them up post workout... You get the idea. Melissa over at Hunt Gather Love is great to read on the topic of fat. You'll also find yourself much more satiated and will crave that millet bread and almond snaps much less.

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on January 20, 2011
at 12:25 AM

Added the link to Hunt.Gather.Love. :)

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on January 20, 2011
at 01:19 AM

Dude, Steph, me either! I just can't pull the trigger on my own. I need a Paleo food mentor to cook me things I think are weird and not tell me what they are until I declare them delicious. I have such a mental block against some things.

03f5a69fde4012b827ebdb6d93b71e7a

(2007)

on January 20, 2011
at 12:29 AM

Ditto -- I ate a lot more frankenpaleo foods like almond flour muffins, sugar free candy, etc. early on, but gradually the cravings reduced. Not quite up to organ meats yet though :)

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on January 20, 2011
at 12:28 AM

I tend to take the desire to snack as a sign that I'm not doing something right. I definitely eat more calories (esp. breakfast -- 3-4 eggs, much more meat, veggies, coffee with cream) than you, and I'm 5'6"/160 and less active. A late breakfast like that takes me through til dinner.

Gluten free sweets/'bread' if you tolerate them well are a reasonable once-in-a-blue-moon cheat once you've got yourself on track but shouldn't be a regular part of meals.

It also took a while to break myself of the habit of needing dessert. It sounds like you might be in the same rut. Making sure you eat til you're full can help with that too.

+1 on the suggestions of intermittent fasting. I never imagined I'd be able to do it, but the more satisfying, real foods I ate (and NO grains), the longer I could go between meals.

Not to be down on you... you're obviously well on the way and eating better than most of the population, but some further improvements could really help :)

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on January 19, 2011
at 10:37 PM

Strictly speaking, butter and cream and bacon are all non-paleo. Paleo is about lean meats, which bacon definitely is not. If you do eat bacon, try to get nitrate/nitrite free. (That said, I have cream in my coffee every day.)

166f449979d83186bd876e8f466d0a69

(1317)

on January 20, 2011
at 12:09 AM

Nope brad, you're not wrong. Certain paleo figures like Art DeVany and Cordain have strange ideas about saturated fat ( and suggest skinless chicken breast!! Haha) ...but most people seem to have realised that fat, and especially saturated fat, is the good stuff! Organs are even better but there's nothing wrong with bacon, and I think dairy is optional if tolerated (eg no stuffy sinuses with it- eliminate it to check!)

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7314)

on January 20, 2011
at 01:03 AM

I really do not believe paleo is about lean meats. Are you coming from a cordain/de vany approach?

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on January 19, 2011
at 11:20 PM

I'm confuzed by this....from all of my reading, saturated fat is no longer the bad guy wheneating paleo. Is that wrong?

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