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top 3 diet/nutrition myths that piss you off

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 04, 2013 at 6:31 AM

what are your top 3 diet and nutrition myths (lies) that irk you most?

off the top of my head:

1) red meats will kill you

2) *you can easily get a sufficient amount of bioavailable protein from a vegan diet(?)

3) stay away from eggs and shrimp..theyre evil!

GREAT ANSWERS EVERYONE- :) HERES TO QUASHING THE MYTHS!! !!!!! FEEL FREE TO LIST MORE THAN 3...HECK DO TOP 10 ...LETTERMAN WONT MIND :)

*about protein

(http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/02/09/the-great-protein-debate-part-1/)

*even more on protein

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/87/5/1576S.full

"The evidence available to date suggests that quality is important not only at the minimum Recommended Dietary Allowance level but also at higher intakes. Currently accepted methods for measuring protein quality do not consider the diverse roles of indispensable amino acids beyond the first limiting amino acid for growth or nitrogen balance. As research continues to evolve in assessing protein's role in optimal health at higher intakes, there is also need to continue to explore implications for protein quality assessment."

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on May 19, 2013
at 01:31 AM

ty albert ..ditto to all 3 !

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on May 18, 2013
at 03:28 PM

A diet does not make one athletic, that doesn't mean a diet has no effect on athleticism. You cannot compare your run-of-the-mill paleo to a professional-athlete vegan.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 18, 2013
at 02:43 AM

ty lucas :) good ones!

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 18, 2013
at 02:42 AM

oh yes..not to mention anyone having success with it has to be doing 2-3 hour cardio sessions and running around like a crackhead all day long.

Cf938ac46500e200c97f6adbb3365f64

(324)

on May 18, 2013
at 02:41 AM

yeah Fruitarian equals fail with the odd physiology willing to endure the deficiencies

Cf938ac46500e200c97f6adbb3365f64

(324)

on May 18, 2013
at 02:39 AM

lol niceeeeeeeee

Cf938ac46500e200c97f6adbb3365f64

(324)

on May 18, 2013
at 02:33 AM

Athleticism has everything to do with diet

Cf938ac46500e200c97f6adbb3365f64

(324)

on May 18, 2013
at 02:32 AM

so there both not optimal then

63075669c2ec8cb6dab906c334c9b911

(112)

on April 09, 2013
at 09:37 PM

By saying starvation, I was hyperbolising somewhat. I've never been on a weight-loss diet since I've always been slim, but if I was to go on one of the many, I'm pretty sure I'd get hungry, since it's hard enough to keep up with my appetite as it is.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 09, 2013
at 09:02 PM

Right. I know. No one ever recommends that you eat less to the point of starvation. They recommend you eat less. which is sound advice. The dogma and bending of words and intentionally misrepresenting claims on this thread is ridiculous. Do you even lift brah?\

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

(1782)

on April 09, 2013
at 02:00 PM

Are you kidding? Most people notice extreme performance benefits when they fine tune their diet to their sport.

63075669c2ec8cb6dab906c334c9b911

(112)

on April 09, 2013
at 01:54 PM

I didn't say eating less implies starvation. I said "eat less and starve", not "eat less and therefore starve". I mean "eat less to the point of starvation".

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 09, 2013
at 01:51 PM

eat less does not imply starvation.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 09, 2013
at 01:50 PM

Outside of the fruitarian community, "fat is bad" went out circa 1988.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 09, 2013
at 01:48 PM

Athletitism has nothing* to due with diet.

04a4f204bc2e589fa30fd31b92944549

(975)

on April 07, 2013
at 05:11 AM

I know people who eat crap and work out a lot

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 05, 2013
at 11:53 PM

#3 -ditto ..word!

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 05, 2013
at 10:27 PM

:) my next question is gonna be top 10 things you hate about the paleo/primal guru that irks you most ehhehe.. jk - ive heard that implication b4 about mark only it was from banana chomping source i cant stand.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 05, 2013
at 10:22 PM

i included the ones that irk me most

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 05, 2013
at 09:48 PM

@matt- I never said plants bloat. I said trying to reach your protein requirements from solely beans/grains/rice (and plants)would cause alot of people to feel bloated i would think. Someone aiming for like.. 150-200 grams of protein.. thts a helluva lot of beans .. lol - 8 cups of cooked beans will give you 130 grams of protein ( who knows how much of tht is actually being absorbed properly) and that would give you 320 grams of carbs :P you can eat 8 cups of beans? You reach your protein requirements from plant sources alone? Good for you.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:51 PM

But yeah thanks and I respect your input (srs). peace and enjoy your friday.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:49 PM

I don't think I'm taking anything out context though. it's exactly in context about the endurance athletes should use testosterone.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:49 PM

Yeah I realize that there is a difference between being a flip flopper and just progressing. I think he's a flip flopper. LOL

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:48 PM

Yeah I realize that their is a difference between being a flip flopper and just progressing. I think he's a flip flopper. LOL

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:47 PM

How come we have youtube accounts updated regularly, run races, have children, perform amazing feats of strength, publish our labs for the world to see, are incredibly transparent. Paleo is the least transparent of both the fitness industry diet and the vegan diet. I have a hard time just handing over my trust to people who make a living off of selling diet books and products based on virtually zero transparency. Just their word and their word.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:45 PM

You're failing to realize that all the vegans and fruitarians are doing such extreme tests of athleticism because they are trying to show the world where is the deficiency? If we're so deficient, how come we're better than you? (I am not a vegan).

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:44 PM

also, someone changing their mind does not make them a flip-flopper.... It shows growth and maturity to keep an open mind and continue to evolve your point of view based on the most recent data available...

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:43 PM

meh, too nice outside to argue point-by-point. You have an interesting point-of-view, but I think you are taking a lot of circumstantial stuff way out of context.

489706f5480edccc9f01130582f7f296

(233)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:40 PM

I was just saying I hate that its perpetuated as fact that carbs are essential. I know carbs can deliver many nutrients (but, still we can get the same nutrients from other places, like vitamin c from adrenal glands of animals)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:36 PM

is more slippery than a tub of KY jelly. He doesn't actually stand for shit. He stands for what will sell and what he thinks sells from one moment to the next. He stands for what he thinks is "the way" but swings from one extreme to the next. I wouldn't touch him with a 9.5 foot pole.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:34 PM

He's on TV selling an elliptical but now he advocates against chronic cardio. He's on every single P90x DVD advocating the use of a high carbohydrate based drink post workout drink (which I'm sure he gets commissons off of), but now he advocates the use of a high fat protein beverage instead (which he likely gets commission off as well, considering it's his product). He's on the anti-doping committee but yet says testerone is the ideal supplement for endurance athletes (and it's even unclear if he's speaking of himself or making recommendations...either way). The man...

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:21 PM

@ CD- Right and doping isn't ubiquitous in the world of competitive endurance athletes? Here. I'll give a quote from Sisson on how to develope the IDEAL plan for a competitive endurance athlete "I would incorporate therapeutic amounts of testosterone (yes, I know it's illegal, but I'm giving you the best-case scenario), to balance out high levels of cortisol when I have gone to the well too much."http://www.slowtwitch.com/Features/Mark_Sisson_says_training_is_no_guarantee_of_health._4.html

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:18 PM

Dude, you got to pull more than, "don't believe it", if you are going to be accusing Sisson. The dude is/was a world-class athlete and genetic freak -- finishing top-5 in the US Marathon Championships and top-5 in the Ironman World Championships. He was also the chair of the International Triathlon Anti-doping commission and worked with the IOC anti-doping committee. You need more than a hunch to slander Sisson.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:17 PM

"heart healthy whole grains"- It's typically said that "whole grains are part of a heart healthy diet that is low in saturated fat," not that they're heart healthy in their own right.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:15 PM

"meat rots in your colon" It might if you eat too much of it and don't eat enough fiber/magnesium. we're descendants of apes not cats.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:14 PM

" Because animal fats harden when cooled or clog your sink, that is what it will do to your arteries" - yeah okay this does seem to be an inaccurate myth that is popular. However, it is true that the hardest animal fats (butter) are also the most hypercholesterolemic.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:10 PM

Saturated fat increases cholesterol, LDL and HDL. LDL is what is found in clogged arteries (among other things). It's a reasonable assumption that hasn't been disproven yet. Atkins died of heart disease. Must not have been following his diet though right?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:07 PM

You should limit your salt intake. Too much of anything is not good. Some salt is better than no salt doesn't mean don't limit it. Although , I see this line of thinking is standard in paleo (i.e. some fat better than none so eat as much as you want).

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:05 PM

https://www.facebook.com/nelson.r.hoffman

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:58 PM

Can you show me how lean you've gotten on a high fat ketogenic diet (if you eat one)? HOw low your body fat is and how muscular you've gotten on a high fat ketogenic diet? I would love to see this. And don't post a bogus photo either. Link to your facebook account, brah.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:55 PM

1500 cals of steak vs 1500 cals of apple pie? Apple pie isn't a carb. It's primary calories come from fat and carbs, so it's mixed. Plus steak is natural, why not pick a natural carb? Oh right because you're argument is a straw man. 1500 cals of steak vs 1500 cals of sweet potatoes is a more accurate comparison.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:54 PM

Ketosis IS metabolic starvation regardless of the how many calories you eat. So, high fat isocaloric and hyper caloric ketogenic diets produce the same starvation response (ketosis) as a high fat sub caloric ketogenic diet or a severely calorie restricted mixed diet.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:49 PM

I've now met my comment threshold for this post (seriously it wont let me comment further) but as you can see your answer is not worthy of these upvotes.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:46 PM

"Drink 8-10 glasses of water a day"- Is there something wrong with this? You may think so becasue you probably never exercise. Helathy people are active though and need plenty of fluids.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:45 PM

"fiber is an important nutrient." It is and important nutrient. Just because you can live without fiber doesn't mean it's not important. All the more important on a magnesium poor diet. Coincidentally, most sources of mag are also sources of fiber.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:43 PM

"Trans fats are unhealthy but margarine is healthy."- Trans fats are widely recognized as unhealthy today. Before we knew about the dangers of trans fats, margarine was recommended BECAUSE WE DIDN"T KNOW THE DANGERS. NOw that trans fats are thought to be harmful, trans fat free margarine is recommended as a healthful alternative to butter. Therefore NOthing you said in your statement is accurate.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:42 PM

"Your vitamin D needs will be met by getting 10-15 mins of sun during the off-peak times" - can you provide a link to some sources saying this. Vegans think the more sun the better. I've seen 10-15 mins of sun exposure with as much of your body exposed as possible (sunscreen on face is fine). NPR had a story the other day about the benefits of mega dosing vitamin D supplements (lower blood pressure).

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:38 PM

"vegan diets are healthy for all stages of life" - This might not be a myth. There are plenty of virtually life long vegans thriving. Many of them have youtube accounts and are FAR more transparent than any paleo guru who's been doing the diet for a decade tops.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:37 PM

"Only vegetables have important micronutrients and meat is only important for protein"- who is saying this? That's not the vegan argument against protein. Their argument is that we don't need animal protein to be strong and healthy, not that it contains no micronutrients.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:36 PM

"You can only get vitamin D from the sun and fortified foods" Please who has said that? Everyone recognizes that certain foods (eggs, seafood) are rich in vitamin D. They just don't claim that we need to eat them to be vitamin D adequate and that we can get what we need from the sun.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:35 PM

... trigger specific hormonal activities that ultimately affect body fat and weight. All calories are certainly not created equal, when each macronutrient is used very specifically differently by the body. If you eat a 1500 calories steak or a 1500 calorie apple pie, the impact on your body, digestion, and the way that food is used will be completely different. And those differences will have directly impact the mechanics that determine body composition.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:34 PM

"vegetables have vitamin A" - yes, they do (beta carotene among others) And? Which vegans are deficient? Durianrider? If he's deficient how come he is a better athlete than you'll ever be? MIchael Arnstein is deficient? How come he outcompetes virtually every ultra runner? Frank Medrano? HOw come he's one of the best calisthenics athletes ever known to man? IF they truly are deficient then they should be showing signs of a deficiency. HOwever, they aren't. How do you know we need 100% RDA of retinol a day? How do you know that much isn't being converted by carotenes?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:31 PM

"vegetables have vitamin A" - Yes, they do. And?

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:30 PM

This is what I mean... and chances are we've actually discussed this before, can't quite remember. Ketosis doesn't need to be starvation. There is no limit to the amount of fat you can fuel yourself with. And, if you do it right, you can still ingest a fairly large volume of carbohydrates and maintain ketosis. Think of it as an active furnace burning hot... you only throw what you need for energy into it, it is immediately burned and the energy is released. Furthermore, calories from carbohydrates...

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:30 PM

^ sugar is a class of carbohydrate. You can avoid sugar and eat starchy carbs. You can avoid table sugar and fruits and starches. You can avoid a blood sugar spike by 1) balancing your meals 2) not eating too much and 3) being healthy and insulin sensitive.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:28 PM

"I would incorporate therapeutic amounts of testosterone (yes, I know it's illegal, but I'm giving you the best-case scenario), to balance out high levels of cortisol when I have gone to the well too much."

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:00 PM

Whoever said number 3?

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:00 PM

This is definitely a problem for many. I'd like to point out that that definition doesn't take free will and self-determination into account. For example, your approach to health is now drastically different and there is plenty of information available to assist you. The option was always present. The Information Age has been in full swing for over a decade now. Somebody who blindly follows advice is not a victim for not being motivated to educate themselves.

A048b66e08306d405986b6c04bf5e8e4

on April 05, 2013
at 05:31 PM

@Mscott I don't think legumes are ENTIRELY evil, but I don't think they're great either.

A048b66e08306d405986b6c04bf5e8e4

on April 05, 2013
at 05:31 PM

@nada I love dirt too! (I don't wash my dandelion greens when I gather them from the backyard because dirt boosts immunity. The CW people are the ones who are afrad of eating dirt!

63075669c2ec8cb6dab906c334c9b911

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on April 05, 2013
at 04:11 PM

That's my point. It's a myth that it's a good idea to do that.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on April 05, 2013
at 01:11 PM

@Kashillz, exactly. The body can produce enough glucose via GNG. Carbs are not required in the diet for life. The question is whether and to what extent they are needed for health.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 05, 2013
at 01:10 PM

It's starting to change, but when information is being purposefully squashed from the general public, when policy makers are being paid off to promote propaganda -- we are victims.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on April 05, 2013
at 01:10 PM

I'm not offended. a victim is: *one that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agent* -- I was. I went to my doctor (at the time), a nutritionist, read what authoritative agents put out, etc. I did due diligence and was unhealthy as a result. The food industry (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/the-extraordinary-science-of-junk-food.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0) is fighting against us at all fronts and has a significant advantage -- they own the politicians.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 05, 2013
at 01:04 PM

Just a comment I have not heard before. Most of the responses I get are, "What do you put your pizza on?"

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:56 PM

You do include paleos in that overly restrictive simplified diet nonsense, right?

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on April 05, 2013
at 12:55 PM

@CD, it's sort of unsaid. You exclude grains from a diet and you get concerned SAD'ers asking "where's your fiber?!?"

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:52 PM

Funny how vegans think meat "rots" in the gut, when in all actuality, some/most plant matter we consume ferments (aka "rots") in the gut. Who's ever crapped out pieces of meat vs leaves, nuts, chunks of veggies?

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on April 05, 2013
at 12:49 PM

But those are all exceptions to the norm. That said, I'm in the first few weeks of a retinol experiment with myself. The results so far do surprise me, I may change my tune completely in a few more weeks. :)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:47 PM

@mary, How the heck do you determine N=1 that you're not getting enough protein due to bioavailability problems? And plants do not bloat me, do not project your dysfunction on others. ;)

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

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on April 05, 2013
at 03:47 AM

fuck you i love dirt

7eba3d743671649c1e06cacce0ba4e77

(1423)

on April 05, 2013
at 03:20 AM

you're* .......

7eba3d743671649c1e06cacce0ba4e77

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on April 05, 2013
at 03:19 AM

Not only diabetics, but people with other diseases,compromised digestive systems, people with certain genes(can't recall specifics) can't convert beta carotene to vitamin A. So the best bet is to eat animal foods containing vitamin A, but also make sure your getting adequate vitamin D and K2 which will all regulate each other so you don't have very high levels.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 05, 2013
at 03:07 AM

yes re:#6- "we have pounds and pounds of undigested meat in our colons...thats another one they love saying

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on April 05, 2013
at 02:31 AM

I think legumes are healthy. I'd love to see more discussion on this topic.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on April 05, 2013
at 02:01 AM

Still waiting for the AHS presentation where the comparison was made between hormones from meat versus endogenous production. Endogenous production just blew away any outside source.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on April 05, 2013
at 01:59 AM

I was unaware that diabetics do not convert beta carotene, or do so so much more poorly than the average. Then again, should we base our dietary recommendations on aberrant biology?

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:53 AM

legumes have far more fiber than grains....

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:53 AM

Again, just friendly disagreement. I'm aware of how potentially sensitive this subject might be. Please don't be offended. We're not even discussing diet right now as much as linguistics & ethics.

04a4f204bc2e589fa30fd31b92944549

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on April 05, 2013
at 12:51 AM

I hear #6 quite often. Its just a theory the vegans toss around.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:51 AM

Yes, but if *not* accepting that point of view makes the difference...

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:49 AM

False. You will not die without carbs.

04a4f204bc2e589fa30fd31b92944549

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on April 05, 2013
at 12:48 AM

I have definitely seen articles that say similar, ie, "veggies and fruit have some fiber but its really not as healthy as whole grain fiber"

Abf0b6d5e20906f742fd600887292c15

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on April 04, 2013
at 11:15 PM

Yeah there's a little something called MACRONUTRIENTS. You can eat all the micronutrients in perfect balance and still die of starvation if you don't get energy from carbs and fat in your diet

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on April 04, 2013
at 11:01 PM

Understand your point of view. But accepting the point of view from authoritative sources is what creates a victim

7eba3d743671649c1e06cacce0ba4e77

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on April 04, 2013
at 10:18 PM

Matt, what I meant is, plants have beta-carotene which is not vitamin A(retinol). Food packages count beta-carotene as Vitamin A, and what if diabetics eat that food thinking they are getting all the vitamin A they need? They either convert very little amounts or none at all.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 04, 2013
at 08:46 PM

*i enter stage right VEGANS LIVE LONGER! kkk..thts allllllllllllll folks :) overture curtain lights..this is it we ll hit the heights

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 04, 2013
at 08:05 PM

Maybe it's semantics, but I'd say you self-victimized by not finding the proper information. Nobody did anything to you. Not to offend, just how I see that situation.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 04, 2013
at 08:04 PM

ok gotcha..so u believe you can get enough bioavailable proteins from plant sources then. My n=1 with veganism led me to believe otherwise.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 04, 2013
at 08:02 PM

Fair enough... I'll still choose to not take my chances.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:56 PM

Most of the studies about growth hormones either look at the meat before human consumption or use fecal matter to detect in humans. Neither shows that hormones in the meat alter our hormones, only that it's there prior and excreted after. Maybe our bodies are doing their job!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:54 PM

Hang around a diet forum for a little while countless folks drinking water instead of eating real food. Irks me, but I simply bite my tongue as my point about nutrition will be lost on somebody who focused on some arbitrary 1200 calorie count.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:53 PM

#3 is not a myth, starvation will lead to weight loss -- just maybe not the best way to get there...

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:52 PM

for me, #2 was definitely true...

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:51 PM

Who has ever said #1?

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:49 PM

Mary, that's not what I said. I said you can get you can get more than enough protein from grains and tubers. I added Eggs and Dairy to show that even those slight changes can provide you with more than enough. And Hemp, Algea, Peas, Quinoa, Beams, Lentals, etc. provide a very good source of bioavailable protein. The average vegan is not at a protein deficiency. Crap I need to add that to my list of nutrition myths..

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:11 PM

I'm pretty sure most 'growth hormones' in livestock function through feed-efficiency and are primarily estrogenic. That could be wrong, but it seems completely reasonable.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:09 PM

I see... while I agree with that, I'd still venture that dehydration is a much more prevalent and dangerous condition than over-hydration.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 06:53 PM

Look on the bright side, it's a bonus!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 06:52 PM

I'm specifically talking about the shrills for Brita on TV. I drink water, when I'm thirsty. I do not fear invisible chronic dehydration.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 04, 2013
at 06:29 PM

@CD... your answer to Eve was that you can get enough protein by including eggs, dairy and whey..but this wouldnt be a vegan diet.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 06:19 PM

Very good point! How often do you see someone post crappy lipid numbers on paleo get asked "Familial hypercholesterolaemia?" All the freakin' time.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 04, 2013
at 06:18 PM

Or possibly n=1 by you? Which is fine, but my n=1 fully endorses copious water intake.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 04, 2013
at 06:17 PM

I'm skeptical on the water thing. I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest that it's very healthy to drnik water throughout the day. Not saying there's no evidence to support your POV, but at least enough both ways to suggest you're just choosing to believe what you do.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 04, 2013
at 06:12 PM

But what about antibiotics and growth hormones?

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 04, 2013
at 06:09 PM

@mat- meets the "bare" minimum if 50 % is absorbed..and leaves you feeling gassy, bloaty, and heavier in the process.

3720f5eb63757f8cdbf393ac7530c1c3

(259)

on April 04, 2013
at 04:09 PM

Thanks Matt and CD, that's interesting stuff :) I don't tend to eat Dairy as it breaks me out in horrendous acne down my back and all over my face :( But I didn't know you could get all the essentials from grains and tubers... Bring on those sweet potatoes! :D

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 03:59 PM

@thhq those are remnants from the "Cholesterol" raises cholesterol scare. Shrimp are high in cholesterol, you should avoid if you have high cholesterol

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 03:57 PM

I think there has already been one. But certainly we have a number -- these are the two that irk me the most.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 03:53 PM

Was excluding the myths related directly to paleo, I think that deserves its own question!

Medium avatar

(10611)

on April 04, 2013
at 03:52 PM

Never heard #3 before.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 03:52 PM

Bioavailable? Who knows, but that's well over the minimum folks need, so even if only 50% digestible, it meets requirements. Yes, all amino acids are represented.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 03:44 PM

Eve, you can get more than enough protein (including the essential amino acids) from grains and tubers. If you include Dairy (especially whey) and Eggs you would be good to go. The question is whether getting sufficient protein from grains puts you at risk given the negative effects of grains (such as leaky gut, inflammation, etc). A very small amount of meat is required to get sufficient protein for most people -- a lot less than many here would lead you to believe.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 03:37 PM

Nobody says carbohydrates are essential. They are, by definition, non-essential nutrients. The argument is that carbohydrates support optimal health.

3720f5eb63757f8cdbf393ac7530c1c3

(259)

on April 04, 2013
at 03:06 PM

Matt is that 80g easily bioavailable and are all the essential amino acids present? Im not being argumentative with you, I'm genuinely interested :)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 02:27 PM

You're better off eating plants for your omega-3s than beef. It's just ALA and you can probably find higher concentrations elsewhere.

63075669c2ec8cb6dab906c334c9b911

(112)

on April 04, 2013
at 02:08 PM

Yes, I think that is the case. You need a healthy balance.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 02:01 PM

Of course, grass-fed beef has a better ratio than grain-finished.. however! there's such a small amount of PUFA in beef that the difference really is negligible. You're not getting significant amounts of omega-3s from beef, grass-fed or not!

Fd7b128cf714044a86d8bd822c7a8992

(4292)

on April 04, 2013
at 01:37 PM

#1: YES! I already posted my three but this was a big contender too, ugh.

Fd7b128cf714044a86d8bd822c7a8992

(4292)

on April 04, 2013
at 01:35 PM

I'm not claiming that grain-fed = poison and grass-fed = holy grail or anything, but I think the differences especially in O3:O6 ratio are worth noting: http://www.ciwf.org.uk/includes/documents/cm_docs/2012/n/nutritional_benefits_of_higher_welfare_animal_products_report_june2012.pdf

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 12:40 PM

Diet pill spammer posts that diet pills being necessary is a myth... (removed the link).

Abf0b6d5e20906f742fd600887292c15

(192)

on April 04, 2013
at 12:35 PM

I think too much sodium can be a problem if you don't balance it with potassium, not that the salthaters mention this

Abf0b6d5e20906f742fd600887292c15

(192)

on April 04, 2013
at 12:33 PM

Starch doesn't spike blood sugar since it takes a while to break down the glucose-chain bonds, unlike sugar

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 12:05 PM

#2, disagree. A mixture of wheat, beans, rice, potatoes, veggies... 2000 calories worth has 80+ grams. More if you really tried.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 12:00 PM

Veggies have pro-vitamin A, which is where our animal brethren get it. We can also get it from plants, the conversion is low, but that means if you're vitamin A deficient, it's because you're not consuming enough pro-vitamin A (not that you need to snarf down tons of liver).

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 11:58 AM

Crap, I meant #3...

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 11:57 AM

In fact, if I was making a list of paleo "myths", that would be right up there.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 11:53 AM

#2, as long as you don't claim there's a large significant difference between the two, I agree.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:52 AM

Great list of possible blog topics for me--thanks!

7eba3d743671649c1e06cacce0ba4e77

(1423)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:22 AM

Sorry I added more than three, I got a little carried away and then realized you only wanted 3, now I can't choose from these.

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7eba3d743671649c1e06cacce0ba4e77

(1423)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:19 AM

  • Vegetables have vitamin A
  • You can only get vitamin D from the sun or fortified foods
  • Vegans and vegetarians can get vitamin b12 NATURALLY from things like nutritional yeast, spirulina etc.
  • Avoid sugar so it doesn't spike blood sugar but make sure almost all of your calories come from carbohydrates
  • Only vegetables have important micronutrients and meat is only important for protein
  • Vegan diets are healthy for all stages of life
  • Your vitamin D needs will be met by getting 10-15 mins of sun during the off-peak times
  • Trans fats are bad but margarine is healthy
  • Fiber is an important nutrient
  • Drink 8-10 glasses of water per day
  • Limit your sodium intake translated into salting your food is bad for you
  • Because animal fats harden when cooled or clog your sink, that is what it will do to your arteries
  • Meat rots in your colon
  • HEART HEALTHY WHOLE GRAINS

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 12:00 PM

Veggies have pro-vitamin A, which is where our animal brethren get it. We can also get it from plants, the conversion is low, but that means if you're vitamin A deficient, it's because you're not consuming enough pro-vitamin A (not that you need to snarf down tons of liver).

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:45 PM

You're failing to realize that all the vegans and fruitarians are doing such extreme tests of athleticism because they are trying to show the world where is the deficiency? If we're so deficient, how come we're better than you? (I am not a vegan).

7eba3d743671649c1e06cacce0ba4e77

(1423)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:22 AM

Sorry I added more than three, I got a little carried away and then realized you only wanted 3, now I can't choose from these.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:49 PM

But those are all exceptions to the norm. That said, I'm in the first few weeks of a retinol experiment with myself. The results so far do surprise me, I may change my tune completely in a few more weeks. :)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:17 PM

"heart healthy whole grains"- It's typically said that "whole grains are part of a heart healthy diet that is low in saturated fat," not that they're heart healthy in their own right.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:36 PM

"You can only get vitamin D from the sun and fortified foods" Please who has said that? Everyone recognizes that certain foods (eggs, seafood) are rich in vitamin D. They just don't claim that we need to eat them to be vitamin D adequate and that we can get what we need from the sun.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:52 AM

Great list of possible blog topics for me--thanks!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:47 PM

How come we have youtube accounts updated regularly, run races, have children, perform amazing feats of strength, publish our labs for the world to see, are incredibly transparent. Paleo is the least transparent of both the fitness industry diet and the vegan diet. I have a hard time just handing over my trust to people who make a living off of selling diet books and products based on virtually zero transparency. Just their word and their word.

Abf0b6d5e20906f742fd600887292c15

(192)

on April 04, 2013
at 12:33 PM

Starch doesn't spike blood sugar since it takes a while to break down the glucose-chain bonds, unlike sugar

7eba3d743671649c1e06cacce0ba4e77

(1423)

on April 04, 2013
at 10:18 PM

Matt, what I meant is, plants have beta-carotene which is not vitamin A(retinol). Food packages count beta-carotene as Vitamin A, and what if diabetics eat that food thinking they are getting all the vitamin A they need? They either convert very little amounts or none at all.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:42 PM

"Your vitamin D needs will be met by getting 10-15 mins of sun during the off-peak times" - can you provide a link to some sources saying this. Vegans think the more sun the better. I've seen 10-15 mins of sun exposure with as much of your body exposed as possible (sunscreen on face is fine). NPR had a story the other day about the benefits of mega dosing vitamin D supplements (lower blood pressure).

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 05, 2013
at 01:59 AM

I was unaware that diabetics do not convert beta carotene, or do so so much more poorly than the average. Then again, should we base our dietary recommendations on aberrant biology?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:49 PM

I've now met my comment threshold for this post (seriously it wont let me comment further) but as you can see your answer is not worthy of these upvotes.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:34 PM

"vegetables have vitamin A" - yes, they do (beta carotene among others) And? Which vegans are deficient? Durianrider? If he's deficient how come he is a better athlete than you'll ever be? MIchael Arnstein is deficient? How come he outcompetes virtually every ultra runner? Frank Medrano? HOw come he's one of the best calisthenics athletes ever known to man? IF they truly are deficient then they should be showing signs of a deficiency. HOwever, they aren't. How do you know we need 100% RDA of retinol a day? How do you know that much isn't being converted by carotenes?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:10 PM

Saturated fat increases cholesterol, LDL and HDL. LDL is what is found in clogged arteries (among other things). It's a reasonable assumption that hasn't been disproven yet. Atkins died of heart disease. Must not have been following his diet though right?

7eba3d743671649c1e06cacce0ba4e77

(1423)

on April 05, 2013
at 03:20 AM

you're* .......

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:30 PM

^ sugar is a class of carbohydrate. You can avoid sugar and eat starchy carbs. You can avoid table sugar and fruits and starches. You can avoid a blood sugar spike by 1) balancing your meals 2) not eating too much and 3) being healthy and insulin sensitive.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:14 PM

" Because animal fats harden when cooled or clog your sink, that is what it will do to your arteries" - yeah okay this does seem to be an inaccurate myth that is popular. However, it is true that the hardest animal fats (butter) are also the most hypercholesterolemic.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:38 PM

"vegan diets are healthy for all stages of life" - This might not be a myth. There are plenty of virtually life long vegans thriving. Many of them have youtube accounts and are FAR more transparent than any paleo guru who's been doing the diet for a decade tops.

7eba3d743671649c1e06cacce0ba4e77

(1423)

on April 05, 2013
at 03:19 AM

Not only diabetics, but people with other diseases,compromised digestive systems, people with certain genes(can't recall specifics) can't convert beta carotene to vitamin A. So the best bet is to eat animal foods containing vitamin A, but also make sure your getting adequate vitamin D and K2 which will all regulate each other so you don't have very high levels.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:28 PM

"I would incorporate therapeutic amounts of testosterone (yes, I know it's illegal, but I'm giving you the best-case scenario), to balance out high levels of cortisol when I have gone to the well too much."

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:37 PM

"Only vegetables have important micronutrients and meat is only important for protein"- who is saying this? That's not the vegan argument against protein. Their argument is that we don't need animal protein to be strong and healthy, not that it contains no micronutrients.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:46 PM

"Drink 8-10 glasses of water a day"- Is there something wrong with this? You may think so becasue you probably never exercise. Helathy people are active though and need plenty of fluids.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:31 PM

"vegetables have vitamin A" - Yes, they do. And?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:07 PM

You should limit your salt intake. Too much of anything is not good. Some salt is better than no salt doesn't mean don't limit it. Although , I see this line of thinking is standard in paleo (i.e. some fat better than none so eat as much as you want).

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:43 PM

"Trans fats are unhealthy but margarine is healthy."- Trans fats are widely recognized as unhealthy today. Before we knew about the dangers of trans fats, margarine was recommended BECAUSE WE DIDN"T KNOW THE DANGERS. NOw that trans fats are thought to be harmful, trans fat free margarine is recommended as a healthful alternative to butter. Therefore NOthing you said in your statement is accurate.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:15 PM

"meat rots in your colon" It might if you eat too much of it and don't eat enough fiber/magnesium. we're descendants of apes not cats.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:45 PM

"fiber is an important nutrient." It is and important nutrient. Just because you can live without fiber doesn't mean it's not important. All the more important on a magnesium poor diet. Coincidentally, most sources of mag are also sources of fiber.

7
Medium avatar

on April 04, 2013
at 06:40 AM

Fat is bad

Meat will give you cancer

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 09, 2013
at 01:50 PM

Outside of the fruitarian community, "fat is bad" went out circa 1988.

5
2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on April 05, 2013
at 03:50 AM

its okay to feed soy to babies and put them on low fat diets. jesus fucking christ

5
32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 11:57 AM

  • Calories over all other considerations when diet, nutrition be damned. Nutrition is helly important. Calorie counters are often starving their bodies of nutrients as much as energy.
  • Polyunsaturates are the most desirable fats, then MUFAs, then saturated fats. The answer is MUFA > saturates > PUFAs.
  • Hydration, hydration, hydration! Seriously, folks don't need to go out of their way for water, particularly force-feeding water as some do. Drink when you are thirsty, chronic dehydration is not epidemic, dehydration does not get confused for hunger.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:09 PM

I see... while I agree with that, I'd still venture that dehydration is a much more prevalent and dangerous condition than over-hydration.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 06:52 PM

I'm specifically talking about the shrills for Brita on TV. I drink water, when I'm thirsty. I do not fear invisible chronic dehydration.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 04, 2013
at 06:17 PM

I'm skeptical on the water thing. I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest that it's very healthy to drnik water throughout the day. Not saying there's no evidence to support your POV, but at least enough both ways to suggest you're just choosing to believe what you do.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:54 PM

Hang around a diet forum for a little while countless folks drinking water instead of eating real food. Irks me, but I simply bite my tongue as my point about nutrition will be lost on somebody who focused on some arbitrary 1200 calorie count.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 04, 2013
at 06:18 PM

Or possibly n=1 by you? Which is fine, but my n=1 fully endorses copious water intake.

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on April 05, 2013
at 06:11 PM

  1. carbs make you fat - wrong because excess calories make you fat.

  2. ketosis is good for long term fat loss - simulating starvation is good for weight loss, not fat loss. In the short term, VLC diets are beneficial for fat loss but only until your body adapts and feels like it's starving. Then it gets rid of the most metabolically active tissue (muscle) and hoards the least (body fat). Hence, Jimmy Moore will always be fat no matter how much weight he loses. If you want to lose bodyfat and still be ketogenic, intermittent calorie restriction days with maintenance/surplus days. (FYI ketosis is a starvation adaptation).

  3. Mark Sisson is all natural - Sorry still don't believe it. Not if he's following the primal blueprint.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:54 PM

Ketosis IS metabolic starvation regardless of the how many calories you eat. So, high fat isocaloric and hyper caloric ketogenic diets produce the same starvation response (ketosis) as a high fat sub caloric ketogenic diet or a severely calorie restricted mixed diet.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:49 PM

Yeah I realize that there is a difference between being a flip flopper and just progressing. I think he's a flip flopper. LOL

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:21 PM

@ CD- Right and doping isn't ubiquitous in the world of competitive endurance athletes? Here. I'll give a quote from Sisson on how to develope the IDEAL plan for a competitive endurance athlete "I would incorporate therapeutic amounts of testosterone (yes, I know it's illegal, but I'm giving you the best-case scenario), to balance out high levels of cortisol when I have gone to the well too much."http://www.slowtwitch.com/Features/Mark_Sisson_says_training_is_no_guarantee_of_health._4.html

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:48 PM

Yeah I realize that their is a difference between being a flip flopper and just progressing. I think he's a flip flopper. LOL

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:05 PM

https://www.facebook.com/nelson.r.hoffman

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:18 PM

Dude, you got to pull more than, "don't believe it", if you are going to be accusing Sisson. The dude is/was a world-class athlete and genetic freak -- finishing top-5 in the US Marathon Championships and top-5 in the Ironman World Championships. He was also the chair of the International Triathlon Anti-doping commission and worked with the IOC anti-doping committee. You need more than a hunch to slander Sisson.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:35 PM

... trigger specific hormonal activities that ultimately affect body fat and weight. All calories are certainly not created equal, when each macronutrient is used very specifically differently by the body. If you eat a 1500 calories steak or a 1500 calorie apple pie, the impact on your body, digestion, and the way that food is used will be completely different. And those differences will have directly impact the mechanics that determine body composition.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 05, 2013
at 10:27 PM

:) my next question is gonna be top 10 things you hate about the paleo/primal guru that irks you most ehhehe.. jk - ive heard that implication b4 about mark only it was from banana chomping source i cant stand.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:43 PM

meh, too nice outside to argue point-by-point. You have an interesting point-of-view, but I think you are taking a lot of circumstantial stuff way out of context.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:36 PM

is more slippery than a tub of KY jelly. He doesn't actually stand for shit. He stands for what will sell and what he thinks sells from one moment to the next. He stands for what he thinks is "the way" but swings from one extreme to the next. I wouldn't touch him with a 9.5 foot pole.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:30 PM

This is what I mean... and chances are we've actually discussed this before, can't quite remember. Ketosis doesn't need to be starvation. There is no limit to the amount of fat you can fuel yourself with. And, if you do it right, you can still ingest a fairly large volume of carbohydrates and maintain ketosis. Think of it as an active furnace burning hot... you only throw what you need for energy into it, it is immediately burned and the energy is released. Furthermore, calories from carbohydrates...

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:58 PM

Can you show me how lean you've gotten on a high fat ketogenic diet (if you eat one)? HOw low your body fat is and how muscular you've gotten on a high fat ketogenic diet? I would love to see this. And don't post a bogus photo either. Link to your facebook account, brah.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:51 PM

But yeah thanks and I respect your input (srs). peace and enjoy your friday.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:44 PM

also, someone changing their mind does not make them a flip-flopper.... It shows growth and maturity to keep an open mind and continue to evolve your point of view based on the most recent data available...

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:34 PM

He's on TV selling an elliptical but now he advocates against chronic cardio. He's on every single P90x DVD advocating the use of a high carbohydrate based drink post workout drink (which I'm sure he gets commissons off of), but now he advocates the use of a high fat protein beverage instead (which he likely gets commission off as well, considering it's his product). He's on the anti-doping committee but yet says testerone is the ideal supplement for endurance athletes (and it's even unclear if he's speaking of himself or making recommendations...either way). The man...

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:49 PM

I don't think I'm taking anything out context though. it's exactly in context about the endurance athletes should use testosterone.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:55 PM

1500 cals of steak vs 1500 cals of apple pie? Apple pie isn't a carb. It's primary calories come from fat and carbs, so it's mixed. Plus steak is natural, why not pick a natural carb? Oh right because you're argument is a straw man. 1500 cals of steak vs 1500 cals of sweet potatoes is a more accurate comparison.

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 03:12 PM

  1. Paleo means no legumes and no dairy.
  2. Paleo means to eat what they ate in the paleolithic
  3. The vegan diet is the best diet for humans because you can supplement all the nutrients you need.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 03:57 PM

I think there has already been one. But certainly we have a number -- these are the two that irk me the most.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 03:53 PM

Was excluding the myths related directly to paleo, I think that deserves its own question!

3
135e21209a0034559f9d2372cceeac67

(190)

on April 04, 2013
at 12:56 PM

  1. Soy is health food

  2. Too much saturated fat causes impotence (COMPLETE bullshit!)

  3. Diet soda is a healthy alternative to regular soda.

Fd7b128cf714044a86d8bd822c7a8992

(4292)

on April 04, 2013
at 01:37 PM

#1: YES! I already posted my three but this was a big contender too, ugh.

2
7a6529ea25b655132fe58d793f95547a

(2030)

on April 05, 2013
at 05:51 PM

That there's a one size fits all diet that will work for everyone. It's in most every diet book and permeates the nutrition world. People tend to gravitate to diets that suit their own biochemistry and when in that microcosm they look around and see so many others having success that it's easy to conclude this will work for everyone.

Okay #2 & 3, I had to get the first one out of the way it pisses me off so much! Lol!

2) That 2000 calories as a general rule makes for a healthy energy intake. Most people here know better, but when I started out experimenting with diet the worst thing I did was eat at that level or under it. I have a relatively physical job and find I only feel really good when I eat 3000+ calories.

3)That a Vegan diet can sustain optimal long term health. I went down the Vegan path for about a year and half, just long enough to watch my health take a hit. It's mostly spouted by the Vegan goof troop (Bernard, Mcdougall, Fhurman, Ornish etc.).

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 05, 2013
at 11:53 PM

#3 -ditto ..word!

2
508a4ebd259022f415326f7a6baec00c

(482)

on April 05, 2013
at 04:31 AM

Only 2. Both myths are presented by my Japanese girlfriend, and she will not relent:

  1. Carbs from grains must be incorporated into meals to be full, satisfied, and healthy

  2. Butter, eggs, and bacon are very unhealthy and should be generally avoided

2
89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

on April 05, 2013
at 03:20 AM

heres a good one -EATING BANANAS AND DATES ALL THE LIVE LONG DAY IS THE BEST DIET EVER! AND YOU WILL REAP THE REWARDS OF OPTIMAL HEALTH-(and ever lasting life..lol)

and every other kind of demented ideas perpetuated by orthorexic, forever-juicing, mono-food eating, watermelon fasting, disillusioned nutbars

oh yes..nearly forgot- WE OMNIVORES ARE JUST PAWNS IN THE PROPAGANDA MACHINE FOR THE DAIRY AND MEAT MAFIA ..we ve been brainwashed, tricked, and fooled.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:56 PM

You do include paleos in that overly restrictive simplified diet nonsense, right?

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 05, 2013
at 10:22 PM

i included the ones that irk me most

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 18, 2013
at 02:42 AM

oh yes..not to mention anyone having success with it has to be doing 2-3 hour cardio sessions and running around like a crackhead all day long.

Cf938ac46500e200c97f6adbb3365f64

(324)

on May 18, 2013
at 02:39 AM

lol niceeeeeeeee

Cf938ac46500e200c97f6adbb3365f64

(324)

on May 18, 2013
at 02:41 AM

yeah Fruitarian equals fail with the odd physiology willing to endure the deficiencies

2
3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

(8395)

on April 05, 2013
at 01:48 AM

There are no benefits to organic foods.

(Because we all want to ingest food laden with pesticides, and even if they aren't harmful to ingest, they are harmful to the environment and to the farmworkers who must handle them in the fields).

2
Ee6932fe54ad68039a8d5f7a8caa0468

(2668)

on April 04, 2013
at 04:13 PM

1) carbs make you fat. 2) eating saturated fat is unhealthy. 3) vegetable oils are heart healthy.

2
74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

on April 04, 2013
at 04:04 PM

Ooooooh! Good topic!

  1. Fat is bad/evil/satanic
  2. Salt is bad/evil/satanic
  3. Soy is a miracle food
  4. Whole grains are healthy
  5. Eggs/meat/saturated fat cause heart disease
  6. Meat rots in the gut

Oh, you wanted three. My bad.

04a4f204bc2e589fa30fd31b92944549

(975)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:51 AM

I hear #6 quite often. Its just a theory the vegans toss around.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 05, 2013
at 03:07 AM

yes re:#6- "we have pounds and pounds of undigested meat in our colons...thats another one they love saying

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:52 PM

Funny how vegans think meat "rots" in the gut, when in all actuality, some/most plant matter we consume ferments (aka "rots") in the gut. Who's ever crapped out pieces of meat vs leaves, nuts, chunks of veggies?

2
63075669c2ec8cb6dab906c334c9b911

on April 04, 2013
at 12:25 PM

  • Fat makes you fat.
  • Too much salt is the leading cause of high blood pressure.
  • Just eat less and starve to loose weight.

63075669c2ec8cb6dab906c334c9b911

(112)

on April 04, 2013
at 02:08 PM

Yes, I think that is the case. You need a healthy balance.

Abf0b6d5e20906f742fd600887292c15

(192)

on April 04, 2013
at 12:35 PM

I think too much sodium can be a problem if you don't balance it with potassium, not that the salthaters mention this

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:53 PM

#3 is not a myth, starvation will lead to weight loss -- just maybe not the best way to get there...

63075669c2ec8cb6dab906c334c9b911

(112)

on April 09, 2013
at 01:54 PM

I didn't say eating less implies starvation. I said "eat less and starve", not "eat less and therefore starve". I mean "eat less to the point of starvation".

63075669c2ec8cb6dab906c334c9b911

(112)

on April 05, 2013
at 04:11 PM

That's my point. It's a myth that it's a good idea to do that.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 09, 2013
at 01:51 PM

eat less does not imply starvation.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 09, 2013
at 09:02 PM

Right. I know. No one ever recommends that you eat less to the point of starvation. They recommend you eat less. which is sound advice. The dogma and bending of words and intentionally misrepresenting claims on this thread is ridiculous. Do you even lift brah?\

63075669c2ec8cb6dab906c334c9b911

(112)

on April 09, 2013
at 09:37 PM

By saying starvation, I was hyperbolising somewhat. I've never been on a weight-loss diet since I've always been slim, but if I was to go on one of the many, I'm pretty sure I'd get hungry, since it's hard enough to keep up with my appetite as it is.

2
Fd7b128cf714044a86d8bd822c7a8992

(4292)

on April 04, 2013
at 10:23 AM

-Salt is evil

-Organic = automatically better

-There is no nutritional difference between CAFO meat and ethical meat

...I think I've just been pissed off by the fat/cholesterol stuff for so long that I'm now inured to it and don't care anymore.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 04, 2013
at 08:02 PM

Fair enough... I'll still choose to not take my chances.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 11:53 AM

#2, as long as you don't claim there's a large significant difference between the two, I agree.

Fd7b128cf714044a86d8bd822c7a8992

(4292)

on April 04, 2013
at 01:35 PM

I'm not claiming that grain-fed = poison and grass-fed = holy grail or anything, but I think the differences especially in O3:O6 ratio are worth noting: http://www.ciwf.org.uk/includes/documents/cm_docs/2012/n/nutritional_benefits_of_higher_welfare_animal_products_report_june2012.pdf

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 02:01 PM

Of course, grass-fed beef has a better ratio than grain-finished.. however! there's such a small amount of PUFA in beef that the difference really is negligible. You're not getting significant amounts of omega-3s from beef, grass-fed or not!

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 04, 2013
at 06:12 PM

But what about antibiotics and growth hormones?

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 11:57 AM

In fact, if I was making a list of paleo "myths", that would be right up there.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 06:53 PM

Look on the bright side, it's a bonus!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 02:27 PM

You're better off eating plants for your omega-3s than beef. It's just ALA and you can probably find higher concentrations elsewhere.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:56 PM

Most of the studies about growth hormones either look at the meat before human consumption or use fecal matter to detect in humans. Neither shows that hormones in the meat alter our hormones, only that it's there prior and excreted after. Maybe our bodies are doing their job!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 11:58 AM

Crap, I meant #3...

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:11 PM

I'm pretty sure most 'growth hormones' in livestock function through feed-efficiency and are primarily estrogenic. That could be wrong, but it seems completely reasonable.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 05, 2013
at 02:01 AM

Still waiting for the AHS presentation where the comparison was made between hormones from meat versus endogenous production. Endogenous production just blew away any outside source.

1
048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

on May 18, 2013
at 05:37 AM

  1. Calories IN vs OUT is what matters the most, period
  2. The fat-free advertising of most processed food although they're filled with crap (think sugars and other additives)
  3. People who think that they can overcome bad dieting habits because they exercise regularly

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 19, 2013
at 01:31 AM

ty albert ..ditto to all 3 !

1
Cf938ac46500e200c97f6adbb3365f64

(324)

on May 18, 2013
at 02:32 AM

1 carbs at night will make you fat 2 don't skip breakfast 3 1g/lbs of bodyweight in protein tis a lot of meat when carbs and fats are sufficient and protein supplements avoided.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 18, 2013
at 02:43 AM

ty lucas :) good ones!

1
142d7e06e608cff536ab78e6ca78ce38

on April 08, 2013
at 08:03 AM

WHOLE GRAINS ARE HEALTHY - I am celiac and before being diagnosed was told by one doctor to eat more to help with C - dah! ALL FATS ARE BAD EAT YOGHURT OR YOU'LL GET OSTEOPOROSIS EAT EVERY 2 - 3 HOURS OR YOUR METABOLISM SLOWS DOWN NOT EATING BREAKFAST MAKES YOU FAT - I AM A BIG FAN OF I.F.

1
A048b66e08306d405986b6c04bf5e8e4

on April 04, 2013
at 08:02 PM

-low fat diets are healthy

-the more carbohydrates, the merrier

-saturated fat is evil

-(Way past three now, but I'll keep going anyhow)

-egg yolks are evil

-whole grains are healthy

-legumes are healthy

-the homogenized, processed milk we drink by the gallon does a body good

-we should only eat white meat chicken

-we should only select lean cuts of meat

-we should only select low-fat dairy

-fortification is the answer

-cereal with milk is a good breakfast

-soy is wonderful

-vegan diets are natural

-eggs are strictly a breakfast food

-whoever heard of eating a steak for breakfast?

-PUFA oils are good for you

-Peanuts are a superfood

-*fructose comes from fruit, so therefore it's healthy (starred)

-eat several small, frequent meals each day

-it's unhealthy to skip meals

-don't eat dirt

-coconut oil should be avoided by people with high cholesterol

*guy with a hook pulls me off the stage *

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on April 05, 2013
at 02:31 AM

I think legumes are healthy. I'd love to see more discussion on this topic.

A048b66e08306d405986b6c04bf5e8e4

on April 05, 2013
at 05:31 PM

@Mscott I don't think legumes are ENTIRELY evil, but I don't think they're great either.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 04, 2013
at 08:46 PM

*i enter stage right VEGANS LIVE LONGER! kkk..thts allllllllllllll folks :) overture curtain lights..this is it we ll hit the heights

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on April 05, 2013
at 03:47 AM

fuck you i love dirt

A048b66e08306d405986b6c04bf5e8e4

on April 05, 2013
at 05:31 PM

@nada I love dirt too! (I don't wash my dandelion greens when I gather them from the backyard because dirt boosts immunity. The CW people are the ones who are afrad of eating dirt!

1
3fc95bca9e723edfbbb72b172798ab49

(1354)

on April 04, 2013
at 03:52 PM

SOMEWHAT nutrition myth:

"My family just has high cholesterol."

IMPLYING that they are inflicted with familial hypercholesterolaemia. Funny how it seems like EEEEEEEEEEEEVERYONE has familial hypercholesterolaemia despite the 1:500 heterozygous chance and the 1:1000000 homozygous chance. Does it happen? Of course. 1:500 is fairly common for a genetic disorder. However, it seems like most people who claim this disorder are just intent on dying bed ridden with a doughnut clutched in their rigor mortised mouth. Other people actually have to deal with this disorder while you'd rather shift the blame to something uncontrollable for mere convencience.

You are fat, diabetic, heart diseased, chronically ill, chronically tired, ad nauseum. Come ON. Not ALL of that can be your parents' fault.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 06:19 PM

Very good point! How often do you see someone post crappy lipid numbers on paleo get asked "Familial hypercholesterolaemia?" All the freakin' time.

0
3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

on April 09, 2013
at 12:54 PM

To all the vegan hate going on here I ask this:

How come lifelong vegans only supplement b-12 and are 10 thousand times more athletic than low carb paleo/primal people who take supplements by the mouthful?

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

(1782)

on April 09, 2013
at 02:00 PM

Are you kidding? Most people notice extreme performance benefits when they fine tune their diet to their sport.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 09, 2013
at 01:48 PM

Athletitism has nothing* to due with diet.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on May 18, 2013
at 03:28 PM

A diet does not make one athletic, that doesn't mean a diet has no effect on athleticism. You cannot compare your run-of-the-mill paleo to a professional-athlete vegan.

Cf938ac46500e200c97f6adbb3365f64

(324)

on May 18, 2013
at 02:33 AM

Athleticism has everything to do with diet

Cf938ac46500e200c97f6adbb3365f64

(324)

on May 18, 2013
at 02:32 AM

so there both not optimal then

0
Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

on April 04, 2013
at 05:08 PM

That energy level is an unavoidable compromise in ketosis.

That unhealthy people are victims of marketing or 'bad information'.

Overtraining.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:53 AM

Again, just friendly disagreement. I'm aware of how potentially sensitive this subject might be. Please don't be offended. We're not even discussing diet right now as much as linguistics & ethics.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 05, 2013
at 01:10 PM

I'm not offended. a victim is: *one that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agent* -- I was. I went to my doctor (at the time), a nutritionist, read what authoritative agents put out, etc. I did due diligence and was unhealthy as a result. The food industry (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/the-extraordinary-science-of-junk-food.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0) is fighting against us at all fronts and has a significant advantage -- they own the politicians.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 04, 2013
at 08:05 PM

Maybe it's semantics, but I'd say you self-victimized by not finding the proper information. Nobody did anything to you. Not to offend, just how I see that situation.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:52 PM

for me, #2 was definitely true...

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:00 PM

This is definitely a problem for many. I'd like to point out that that definition doesn't take free will and self-determination into account. For example, your approach to health is now drastically different and there is plenty of information available to assist you. The option was always present. The Information Age has been in full swing for over a decade now. Somebody who blindly follows advice is not a victim for not being motivated to educate themselves.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 11:01 PM

Understand your point of view. But accepting the point of view from authoritative sources is what creates a victim

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:51 AM

Yes, but if *not* accepting that point of view makes the difference...

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 05, 2013
at 01:10 PM

It's starting to change, but when information is being purposefully squashed from the general public, when policy makers are being paid off to promote propaganda -- we are victims.

0
489706f5480edccc9f01130582f7f296

(233)

on April 04, 2013
at 02:55 PM

-"Calories in vs Calories out" mess

-Dietary Carbohydrates are essential

-Butter is evil

Abf0b6d5e20906f742fd600887292c15

(192)

on April 04, 2013
at 11:15 PM

Yeah there's a little something called MACRONUTRIENTS. You can eat all the micronutrients in perfect balance and still die of starvation if you don't get energy from carbs and fat in your diet

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:49 AM

False. You will not die without carbs.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 03:37 PM

Nobody says carbohydrates are essential. They are, by definition, non-essential nutrients. The argument is that carbohydrates support optimal health.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 05, 2013
at 01:11 PM

@Kashillz, exactly. The body can produce enough glucose via GNG. Carbs are not required in the diet for life. The question is whether and to what extent they are needed for health.

489706f5480edccc9f01130582f7f296

(233)

on April 05, 2013
at 07:40 PM

I was just saying I hate that its perpetuated as fact that carbs are essential. I know carbs can deliver many nutrients (but, still we can get the same nutrients from other places, like vitamin c from adrenal glands of animals)

0
9e9f2a144af206c41c989ce09ef47554

on April 04, 2013
at 12:15 PM

One of the common myths: only a few people can lose weight by themselves, another need to take diet pills!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 04, 2013
at 12:40 PM

Diet pill spammer posts that diet pills being necessary is a myth... (removed the link).

-1
04a4f204bc2e589fa30fd31b92944549

(975)

on April 04, 2013
at 06:10 PM

  1. Grains, specifically wheat, are the only significant source of fiber in our food supply.
  2. Its okay to become obese. if you're not okay with your weight, you have a self esteem issue.
  3. It is possible to out-exercise a poor diet.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 04, 2013
at 07:51 PM

Who has ever said #1?

04a4f204bc2e589fa30fd31b92944549

(975)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:48 AM

I have definitely seen articles that say similar, ie, "veggies and fruit have some fiber but its really not as healthy as whole grain fiber"

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:53 AM

legumes have far more fiber than grains....

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on April 05, 2013
at 01:04 PM

Just a comment I have not heard before. Most of the responses I get are, "What do you put your pizza on?"

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 05, 2013
at 12:55 PM

@CD, it's sort of unsaid. You exclude grains from a diet and you get concerned SAD'ers asking "where's your fiber?!?"

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 05, 2013
at 06:00 PM

Whoever said number 3?

04a4f204bc2e589fa30fd31b92944549

(975)

on April 07, 2013
at 05:11 AM

I know people who eat crap and work out a lot

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