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The causes of IBD/IBS

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 20, 2012 at 10:22 PM

I read about the SPECIFIC CARBOHIDRTATE DIET , by elaine gottschall , and she explain that bad bacteria damage the gut , creating the disease.

So at the end , to evitate IBD/IBS when have just to avoid sugars and carboidrathes ( except the ones which are containend is friuts and some vegetables ) and also avoid the food which causes leaky gut ( cereals,legumes,tomatoes,ect) ?

I'd like to see your opinion!

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 21, 2012
at 05:16 AM

it might make people annoyed, but some people have overgrowth of sulfer and protein consuming bacteria and a low-carb diet is not going to help them.

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on June 21, 2012
at 12:24 AM

For that study, the "high fat diet" included significant carbohydrates, I think around 40-45% from memory. Also its unknown if there "milk fat" contained lactose, which is well known to feed all sorts of bacteria. It doesnt seem like a super well controlled/designed experiment, and id have to read the full abstract before coming to any conclusions too.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on June 20, 2012
at 11:56 PM

Dairy has a hard to digest sugar in it.

Db164c8d512695490a8a312c1a5dee51

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on June 20, 2012
at 11:46 PM

If I don't eat dairy , but just meat , It doesn't change , right ?

0faecc3397025eab246241f4dcd81f5e

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on June 20, 2012
at 11:36 PM

It was diary fat, and in a mouse - not yet tested on humans. I'll like to see a human study before I make up my mind on this

Db164c8d512695490a8a312c1a5dee51

(15)

on June 20, 2012
at 11:22 PM

WTF we can't never be sure of something! now they say that sfa can causes IBD... so what can we eat ? just vegetables and fish , all life long?

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

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on June 20, 2012
at 11:17 PM

Oh, sorry: Saturated Fatty Acid. SFA is just shorthand for saturated fat.

Db164c8d512695490a8a312c1a5dee51

(15)

on June 20, 2012
at 11:17 PM

Good! i'am really happy for you man! but what is SFA?

Db164c8d512695490a8a312c1a5dee51

(15)

on June 20, 2012
at 11:08 PM

Really interesting!.. but WTF , then what should we eat ?!?!

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D460f31ffa93f2b244ee66ba966574b9

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on June 21, 2012
at 12:23 AM

In short, dysbiosis is what I believe to be the cause in many cases. This video sums it up well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbJuVvT6ALQ

I took an antibiotic (along with probiotic at the same time) about a year ago for an infected bug bite. My IBS improved quite noticeably during that time. Maintaining the balance though is a bit of a challenge. Diet & lifestyle & dysbiosis need to be addressed all together.

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4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

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on June 20, 2012
at 11:14 PM

Seems to work for me. Avoiding gluten, starch and fiber for a year (ie eating only meat) allowed me to stop my meds for Crohn's. That was 2009-2010. Since then, I've added vegetables and some starches back in, with no apparent negative effect on my Crohn's.

Not sure about SFA causing a bad bacteria overgrowth. Maybe there is something to that, but for me at least, a diet rich in animal fats had exactly the opposite effect. It's important to remember that with something like Crohn's (and probably any auto-immune disorder), you're looking at a very complex system going haywire in a way which is not easily reversible or studyable. High SFA might be really bad in the context of an otherwise standard diet, but benign or not damaging enough to be worrisome in the context of a strict paleo diet.

Db164c8d512695490a8a312c1a5dee51

(15)

on June 20, 2012
at 11:22 PM

WTF we can't never be sure of something! now they say that sfa can causes IBD... so what can we eat ? just vegetables and fish , all life long?

Db164c8d512695490a8a312c1a5dee51

(15)

on June 20, 2012
at 11:17 PM

Good! i'am really happy for you man! but what is SFA?

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

(7821)

on June 20, 2012
at 11:17 PM

Oh, sorry: Saturated Fatty Acid. SFA is just shorthand for saturated fat.

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4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

on June 21, 2012
at 05:09 AM

Its the only diet that helped my niece with her SIBO. Worked better than GAPS for her.

Db164c8d512695490a8a312c1a5dee51

(15)

on June 20, 2012
at 11:08 PM

Really interesting!.. but WTF , then what should we eat ?!?!

Db164c8d512695490a8a312c1a5dee51

(15)

on June 20, 2012
at 11:46 PM

If I don't eat dairy , but just meat , It doesn't change , right ?

0faecc3397025eab246241f4dcd81f5e

(2361)

on June 20, 2012
at 11:36 PM

It was diary fat, and in a mouse - not yet tested on humans. I'll like to see a human study before I make up my mind on this

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on June 20, 2012
at 11:56 PM

Dairy has a hard to digest sugar in it.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on June 21, 2012
at 12:24 AM

For that study, the "high fat diet" included significant carbohydrates, I think around 40-45% from memory. Also its unknown if there "milk fat" contained lactose, which is well known to feed all sorts of bacteria. It doesnt seem like a super well controlled/designed experiment, and id have to read the full abstract before coming to any conclusions too.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 21, 2012
at 05:16 AM

it might make people annoyed, but some people have overgrowth of sulfer and protein consuming bacteria and a low-carb diet is not going to help them.

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