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Re-enameling and healing old cavities

Commented on June 04, 2015
Created September 19, 2011 at 1:17 AM

An old filling fell out today. There is an obvious hole in my tooth (one of my lower first molars, just back from the canines). It does not hurt - just feels a bit "weird" - like something that I'm used to is missing. According to the Weston A Price school of thought, cavities can be healed through nutrition, avoiding mineral depletors and glycerine (which apparently, prevents re-enameling). I use a non-glycerine tooth powder to brush and oil pull with coconut oil regularly. I eat a nutrient-dense, grain-free, paleo-style diet, including homemade bone broth several times per week, supplemented with magnesium, vitamin D, K-2 and a fermented CLO/butter oil combo.

Am I crazy to be considering NOT getting the cavity refilled, and waiting to see what will happen? If it ever truly begins to hurt, I would seek medical attention immediately.


By way of an update, in the end, I got the tooth refilled with a BPA-free composite. It makes sense that once the cavity has been drilled, there's no biological means of repair, and the hole just felt weird.

On a related note, since changing to a nutrient dense, traditional diet ~5 years ago, I HAVEN'T HAD A SINGLE NEW CAVITY! This may not sound terribly earth-shattering, but as a kid, I don't think I ever had a dentist appointment where I DIDN'T need a filling... even into adulthood, I continued to have trouble. I absolutely hated going to the dentist, because I knew I was going to have at least one cavity. Besides being a pain and expensive, it was just plain embarrassing! I never understood what I was doing wrong. I brushed like I was supposed to, I flossed most of the time and I stayed away from sugar. My younger brother, on the other hand, was the kid who ran his toothbrush under the faucet to trick mom and dad into thinking he brushed, yet mysteriously, never got a single cavity. He was a VERY picky eater - he loathed vegetables, and rarely ate much bread. Mom made him sit at the kitchen table for hours to get him to choke down three (3) peas sometimes, lol. He loved meat and cheese, though (with ketchup on them). His favorite meal was to make a "salad" out of pepperoni, cheese and ranch dressing. :) We even have an old photo of him after Mom caught him sitting on the floor of the kitchen eating margarine straight from the tub with a butter knife. (Slightly horrifying now, but the point is to illustrate that he preferred to eat fat and protein). I, on the other hand, dutifully ate my veggies and whole grains and always took care of my teeth. It never seemed fair that I had so many problems and he didn't, but now I think I get it. After experiencing it for myself, I'm firmly in the camp that believes it's ALL about the diet!

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 01, 2012
at 09:03 PM

I think its awesome that you are willing to step outside of your professional box Dr. Trashcan. :)

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on September 23, 2011
at 09:58 PM

nice. its international act like a pirate day. its can mean. Ahoy...and always a rough windy weather. Klabauterman. david der klabauter.

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on September 19, 2011
at 07:23 PM

OakOy - did you know that it is International Talk like a Pirate day? Some German pirates may say this: Ahoy und immer eine steife Brise, beim Klabautermann !!! - I don't actually know what this means though.

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on September 19, 2011
at 05:40 PM

I don't mind being voted down. I know that much of what I write is controversial. But please have the decency to comment specifically as to why.

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on September 19, 2011
at 02:03 PM

Hi OakOy - it is fall here too. We are harvesting potatoes and squash. It IS a wonderful time. I wish you a wonderful time too!

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on September 19, 2011
at 01:01 PM

To oak0y: If it makes you feel any better, I qualified my statement as above. It's my own personal experience. But the physiology I presented is factual.

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on September 19, 2011
at 12:58 PM

To vdh1979: It won't heal. The best that will happen is that the exposed dentin will harden like a callus. I cannot guarantee anything--as I said, I based this on myself only.

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on September 19, 2011
at 12:42 PM

It is fall here in the Midwestern United States where I am oak0y. Things are still green, but it's getting colder, the leaves will start to turn soon.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 19, 2011
at 11:55 AM

im ambivalent beetween upvotingg and downvoting.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 19, 2011
at 11:53 AM

why is it annoying? what is jist? Somehow i gave you a upvote Harfatum.

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

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on September 19, 2011
at 11:35 AM

Thanks! I've been following this thread with interest. I forgot to include it in my original post, but I do also take 50mg of zinc citrate. Am planning to switch to picolinate per the recs in the thread.

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on September 19, 2011
at 03:24 AM

That site is really annoying. Can you give us the jist of it?

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

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on September 19, 2011
at 02:43 AM

Do you think the hole is too large to self heal since it was previously drilled?

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on September 19, 2011
at 02:08 AM

Please go see a dentist. While you can recalcify small pre-cavities and cracks, you cannot heal a hulled-molar. The hole a denist makes after drilling out a cavity is far too large to recalcify. You can break off large portions of the tooth, or split it down the root, and you will be in pain. You can't brush or clean out the hole, and it will begin to decay again once the bacterial activity has a while to work. Please go to the dentist!

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485bcefe7f1f7a6df1a293a826bf6137

on September 19, 2011
at 02:40 AM

I am a dentist. I have no patients who are willing to eat paleo/lc, so I am my only test subject. I have molars whose fillings have fallen out and I've never had them replaced. Bacteria require a coating called a pellicle consisting of protein and glucose to form on teeth. Without glucose they cannot accumulate to any significant extent, and they cannot cause decay. If it's uncomfortable you can ask your dentist to smooth down the sharp areas. In time the exposed dentin will become hardened like a callous. I don't know about fruit and tubers since I don't eat them, but what you've revealed so far about your diet sounds like a winner for dental health.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 19, 2011
at 11:55 AM

im ambivalent beetween upvotingg and downvoting.

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

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on September 19, 2011
at 02:43 AM

Do you think the hole is too large to self heal since it was previously drilled?

485bcefe7f1f7a6df1a293a826bf6137

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on September 19, 2011
at 12:58 PM

To vdh1979: It won't heal. The best that will happen is that the exposed dentin will harden like a callus. I cannot guarantee anything--as I said, I based this on myself only.

485bcefe7f1f7a6df1a293a826bf6137

(2191)

on September 19, 2011
at 05:40 PM

I don't mind being voted down. I know that much of what I write is controversial. But please have the decency to comment specifically as to why.

485bcefe7f1f7a6df1a293a826bf6137

(2191)

on September 19, 2011
at 01:01 PM

To oak0y: If it makes you feel any better, I qualified my statement as above. It's my own personal experience. But the physiology I presented is factual.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 01, 2012
at 09:03 PM

I think its awesome that you are willing to step outside of your professional box Dr. Trashcan. :)

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on June 04, 2015
at 07:04 PM

OMG this is SOOO exciting for me to read!! You rock Mr_Trashcan!!!!! I am a dentist too - nothing weird at all about cavities remineralizing (aka healing)! I don't know why it has developed a reputation for being unconventional or whatever. Many people remineralize (heal) their cavities and many people do not need to get a filling replaced if it falls out. However many people also are not able to remineralize cavities and need fillings and many people should get a lost filling replaced - depends on so many factors, like location on the tooth etc. If the cavity is arrested no filling is necessary, if it is active, filling should be done. This is what dentists learn in dental school and is in my dental school textbooks -  nothing weird about it. The 'weirdness' idea can come about by how people choose to remineralize (heal) their cavities. Dentists recommend fluoride usually but if people want to do other things either instead of or in addition to fluoride that can work too, but that is when it might enter the 'weird' realm - not for me but some dentists. But a dentist should be able to tell you if the cavity is arrested or active. Love this stuff!!!!

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on September 19, 2011
at 12:15 PM

http://therawpath.com/ask_ginger.html

http://www.therawpath.com/dental_health.html

I have regrown and healed a chipped tooth, healed several cavities, and kept all my wisdom teeth which were a huge issue before changing my oral routine and changing my diet. All naturally, no dentist. My dental health has improved greatly now that I stopped going to dentists and instead learned how to take care of my teeth.

What do I recommend for teeth?

I recommend eating lots of greens & superfoods/herbs to boost your mineral content. Sea vegetables are great for boosting mineral content as well. Include them daily.

I recommend ToothSoap, pure cold pressed neem oil and also the best magnesium oil ever (others may not give desired results) and Ormus Gold. If you can, do some fasting on green juices. Alternate brushing with toothsoap & neem oil. Spray the magnesium oil in your mouth and swish it around for a few minutes each day. You can also use the neem for 'oil pulling'. A tea you can drink to help build teeth is made from horsetail, nettle, hemp LEAF (not seed or oil but the actual leaf), cacao & maca.

Simple steps:

1) Get yourself a natural bristle soft bristle toothbrush. They are actually cheaper then regular toothbrushes and they feel and work so much better. Just try going back to a plastic bristle brush after a week of using the natural ones and you will see what I mean!

2) Toss your toxic toothpaste. If it comes in a tube, even if it says natural, it's worthless and harmful. You are better off using pure neem oil even though it tastes um.. "strong", trust me you get used to it. You can use it at night before bed, and use a toothsoap or gum joy oil in the morning for better smelling breath. They taste and smell really good. Neem just has some amazing properties you would greatly benefit from.

You can order pure neem oil (no other ingredients) online, or see if it's in your local health store. Whole Foods Market carries it.

3) Use a water pik every evening before bed (you can add a few drops of neem oil to the lukewarm water).

4) Stay away from processed foods and drinks. Sure you can have some here and there, but overall if you are not supplying your body with the nutrients it needs, you just can't experience health and wellbeing. There is just no way around this. Proper nutrition, clean water, exercise, sunlight, fresh air, positive attitude, and your expectation, will heal just about anything! So eat real food. All the animals on earth eat natural food- nothing cooked or processed or full of chemicals. They do not get cancer, allergies, cavities and all these civilized diseases we now have.. but the animals we domesticate and feed unnatural diets to, now get the same diseases we do. Eat more raw and natural foods and eat less things in packaging that are cheap and heavily marketed to the masses. Just this step alone will cause a huge shift and heal the rest.. however you have to want it, believe it and do it.


beside this there is other unnbeleaveble testemonies of teeth healing. Let your dreams be your healing. Always consider what is the best for you. I have done ramiels prrotocol and got sucess. Later i changed it away from animal products and im still adjusting. I often hear greens greens greens. eat grass like a cow. whatever.

some off this are myh other seem to be true like ginger and jaquie davision cancer winer

best wihses to you .

and @meredithh i wish you a wonderful time. And all others two. Is now fall everywhere? this is a good paleo question. Cause in stoneage people define by their bioregion. This mean what animal live and what plants grow there. Fall is the season where people gather foods and store for the winter season.

So maybe my next hack will bio. How does your flora and fauna look like now...in autm/fall?!

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on September 19, 2011
at 02:03 PM

Hi OakOy - it is fall here too. We are harvesting potatoes and squash. It IS a wonderful time. I wish you a wonderful time too!

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on September 19, 2011
at 07:23 PM

OakOy - did you know that it is International Talk like a Pirate day? Some German pirates may say this: Ahoy und immer eine steife Brise, beim Klabautermann !!! - I don't actually know what this means though.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on September 19, 2011
at 12:42 PM

It is fall here in the Midwestern United States where I am oak0y. Things are still green, but it's getting colder, the leaves will start to turn soon.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 23, 2011
at 09:58 PM

nice. its international act like a pirate day. its can mean. Ahoy...and always a rough windy weather. Klabauterman. david der klabauter.

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on September 19, 2011
at 02:04 AM

http://www.curetoothdecay.com/ check out this site. i've learned fillings just make the tooth degrade more.

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on September 19, 2011
at 03:24 AM

That site is really annoying. Can you give us the jist of it?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 19, 2011
at 11:53 AM

why is it annoying? what is jist? Somehow i gave you a upvote Harfatum.

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6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

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on September 19, 2011
at 01:57 AM

Check this thread out Kim. According to this you can indeed heal them. I've healed a cracked tooth myself, though it was inadvertently.

http://paleohacks.com/questions/63215/could-zinc-and-k-2-be-a-1-2-punch-for-reversing-preventing-dental-caries

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on September 19, 2011
at 11:35 AM

Thanks! I've been following this thread with interest. I forgot to include it in my original post, but I do also take 50mg of zinc citrate. Am planning to switch to picolinate per the recs in the thread.

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on November 20, 2014
at 12:03 PM

Hi Vicki, I am amazed to hear you managed to heal your cracked tooth. Can you please tell me how you did this? I have a problem with one and am hoping to fix it by remineralising it but am unsure if my supplements are adequate.

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on September 19, 2011
at 04:54 AM

I'm kind of hoping that tooth repair peptide pans out.

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on March 05, 2014
at 09:32 AM

It is true that consuming nutrient dense food can prevent and heal cavities by reversing them. The reason is that nutrients like fat-soluble vitamins A D E K, calcium; phosphorus, potassium and other minerals are powerful and they make teeth strong, resilient and resistant to decay. Tooth decay usually happens when there is deficiency of these nutrients in diet. This deficiency leads to weakening and lowering of resistance and immunity against decay. There is this book called Cure tooth decay” by Ramiel Nagel in which the author advocates the natural healing and cure of tooth decay. He has given in his a book a very simple and effective nutritional plan which not only helps in prevention but also in reversal of tooth decay. Visit his website for more information http://www.curetoothdecay.com/

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