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Peat's Protocol

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 26, 2012 at 5:13 AM

Okay, so I've found this: http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=419742

And I get most of it. My question is though about the fructose. Fruit seems to always aggravate my reflux if I eat it for more than a couple of days. Also, I have no idea what in the hell Peat considers safe meats! Which meats have gelatin with them?!?

When I ate fruit after doing a fast, I felt great for the first day or two, then the reflux came back, and now I'm getting it under control again.

I'm getting much of my glucose from sweet potatoes and plantains (beets, too). Does Peat recommend this? I'm being advised by a nutritionist to avoid dairy and fruit for right now, but I'm curious about the Peat diet (I thought at one time of contacting Josh Rubin).

Any info people could give me on Ray Peat the mystery man of evolutionary medicine would be much appreciated.

PS. I should also ask whether or not Peat's diet works for reflux and IBS.

E8dd83fe24a0879d8b16ab4ca92b72dd

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on June 27, 2012
at 02:05 AM

I tried D-limonene, but I think it made my reflux worse. Of course, that could have been the SAD diet I was eating at the time, but the reviews online sounded like people didn't do much in the way of changing their diet. I'd be willing to give it another shot, so long as I fail to do it with diet and enzymes alone.

E8dd83fe24a0879d8b16ab4ca92b72dd

(1307)

on June 27, 2012
at 12:12 AM

I add coconut oil lol. But yeah, I pretty much cook the hell out of my veggies now. Seems to help with digestion.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on June 26, 2012
at 11:37 PM

sure that sounds fine. as for vegetables, boil the shit out of them & add grassfed butter, and then see how you feel after eating them. many plants are toxic to people, as they are plants and that is how nature protects itself. i'd go by individual responses rather than "supporting research".

E8dd83fe24a0879d8b16ab4ca92b72dd

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on June 26, 2012
at 11:20 PM

Okay, so muscle meats during the day time (maybe a cup of bone broth between lunch and dinner) and then maybe a cup of bone broth an hour after dinner (2 hours or so before bed)? Also, I'll try and reintegrate fruit once I get a handle on the reflux. The only thing about Peat I've yet to understand or grasp (completely, I mean) is his stance on vegetables. Both him and Jaminet seem to steer people away from green vegetables being a staple in anyone's diet. I think I read that they both consider green vegetables to be toxic in large doses to the body, but I'm not sure of the supporting research

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on June 26, 2012
at 10:10 PM

that being said, each individual will react to things differently, and the amount which we can tolerate is highly variable and can fluctuate from moment to moment.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on June 26, 2012
at 10:09 PM

peat doesnt necessarily talk specifically about fodmaps, but there are many websites that do. it's easy to find the overlap. very ripe tropical fruits tend to have less pulp/fuiber/starch and more natural enzymes that break this stuff down. bromelain & papain are used for anti-inflammation & digestion for this reason, also that it helps break down proteins that might be allergenic.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on June 26, 2012
at 10:07 PM

yeah, either or on the meats thing. some people would say eat them together, a la gelatin broth with stew meat, but i think you can eat them separately. muscle meats tend to be stimulating and awakening, gelatin tends to be relaxing, so you could eat muscle meats for breakfast, gelatin soups for dinner, etc.

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on June 26, 2012
at 08:20 AM

I wanted to answer this question but you really explained it very well. for me too, his ideas are not enough yet, but they are 10000 times better than any other advice I've received yet.

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05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

he's not a mystery man. he's just not yelling from the rooftops or disparaging others. he writes lots of articles and newsletters, etc. does his own thing. he's eccentric in that he doesn't act like other people.

on to your questions: fruits are often unripe and contain fodmaps like pectin, that hurt people. peat rec's things like strained OJ with no flavor paks, additives etc., cooked and strained apples/applesauce. very ripe tropical fruits. it's hard to find good fruit in america honestly.
just to clarify, i do not think that it is the fructose or sucrose that is the problem, but the other substances found in plants & fruits.

safe meats would be grass fed, low pufa meats. in balance with gelatin. so muscle meat is fine, just not ONLY muscle meats. basically eat nose to tail, organs, bone stocks, etc.

the parts with gelatin are skin, feet, hooves, ears, tails, oxtails, bones, joints, tendons, etc

peat does not rec starches in general. he does not believe that glucose is the god of sugars. he prefers fructose & sucrose. as for fibrous veggies he does rec carrots and bamboo shoots for their antiseptic qualities. as for other greens, etc, he recs cooking/boiling for long periods to break down the plants. think old school southern collard greens.

dairy is individual. i for instance can do non-lactose dairy: butter, cream, hard cheeses made in the old ways.

it works for iBS in some instances, but all ibs/ibd sufferers are different. i found that many of peat's ideas help me, but are not enough for me. but his ideas are way better than even the best paleo advice such as kresser and jaminet's.

peat's not the end-all-be-all, but neither is any version of paleo.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on June 26, 2012
at 08:20 AM

I wanted to answer this question but you really explained it very well. for me too, his ideas are not enough yet, but they are 10000 times better than any other advice I've received yet.

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on June 26, 2012
at 05:55 PM

You should also check out dannyroddy.com for some more conscise Peat information.

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30ddc46d4c6fdce657d014dc7284e34a

on June 27, 2012
at 01:28 AM

I would suggest you try taking a course of orange peel oil called D-limonene , 1 gram every other day for 20 days and this will CURE your Reflux. My husband had it real bad and it came to the point he could barely eat...I did research and discovered a product called "heartburn free" , it was cheaper than buying the D-limonene on its own. I got it online at iherb.com this will also cure or help IBS and kills H.Pylori infection. there is also a probiotic made by Ganeden which really helps IBS and is much better than all others we've tried it is called GanedenBC30 (Bacillus coagulans GBI-30, 6086)s along with enzymes to help digest starches/carbs. pls try it its under ten bucks and will change your life

E8dd83fe24a0879d8b16ab4ca92b72dd

(1307)

on June 27, 2012
at 02:05 AM

I tried D-limonene, but I think it made my reflux worse. Of course, that could have been the SAD diet I was eating at the time, but the reviews online sounded like people didn't do much in the way of changing their diet. I'd be willing to give it another shot, so long as I fail to do it with diet and enzymes alone.

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E8dd83fe24a0879d8b16ab4ca92b72dd

(1307)

on June 26, 2012
at 05:52 PM

I guess the "not only muscle meat" part is where I get confused. So are you supposed to eat muscle meat at the SAME TIME you eat the gelatin? Or can you eat some ground lean beef for breakfast then a cup of bone broth an hour or two later? Also, so ripe tropical fruits are less likely to have FODMAPs?

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on June 26, 2012
at 10:10 PM

that being said, each individual will react to things differently, and the amount which we can tolerate is highly variable and can fluctuate from moment to moment.

E8dd83fe24a0879d8b16ab4ca92b72dd

(1307)

on June 26, 2012
at 11:20 PM

Okay, so muscle meats during the day time (maybe a cup of bone broth between lunch and dinner) and then maybe a cup of bone broth an hour after dinner (2 hours or so before bed)? Also, I'll try and reintegrate fruit once I get a handle on the reflux. The only thing about Peat I've yet to understand or grasp (completely, I mean) is his stance on vegetables. Both him and Jaminet seem to steer people away from green vegetables being a staple in anyone's diet. I think I read that they both consider green vegetables to be toxic in large doses to the body, but I'm not sure of the supporting research

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on June 26, 2012
at 11:37 PM

sure that sounds fine. as for vegetables, boil the shit out of them & add grassfed butter, and then see how you feel after eating them. many plants are toxic to people, as they are plants and that is how nature protects itself. i'd go by individual responses rather than "supporting research".

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on June 26, 2012
at 10:09 PM

peat doesnt necessarily talk specifically about fodmaps, but there are many websites that do. it's easy to find the overlap. very ripe tropical fruits tend to have less pulp/fuiber/starch and more natural enzymes that break this stuff down. bromelain & papain are used for anti-inflammation & digestion for this reason, also that it helps break down proteins that might be allergenic.

E8dd83fe24a0879d8b16ab4ca92b72dd

(1307)

on June 27, 2012
at 12:12 AM

I add coconut oil lol. But yeah, I pretty much cook the hell out of my veggies now. Seems to help with digestion.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on June 26, 2012
at 10:07 PM

yeah, either or on the meats thing. some people would say eat them together, a la gelatin broth with stew meat, but i think you can eat them separately. muscle meats tend to be stimulating and awakening, gelatin tends to be relaxing, so you could eat muscle meats for breakfast, gelatin soups for dinner, etc.

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