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Paleo diet vs cover model diet

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created March 24, 2013 at 10:37 PM

If eating processed carbs and grains can make you fat, how do fitness cover models get in such good shape?

Before learning about paleo I followed a lot of fitness models on twitter and they'd often post their food intake which would include daily portions of oats/brown rice/pasta/wholemeal bread...etc.

How can they achieve such ripped physiques doing this? Is it genes or because of an intense workout regime?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Like this quote?:" Good for them! I wish my metabolism and other factors cough I'm fucking lazy cough worked that way."

3f1f6d5d00e4a2078a99a07e0a6b2aea

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on March 26, 2013
at 07:48 PM

hahahaha! That's worth one, for sure. Did you make that up, Travis??!!

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

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on March 26, 2013
at 06:22 PM

Sorry thats not what I meant. What I meant is basically that models (of any type) are generally born like that. We cannot alter our height and we cannot alter our build. Yes, we can lose fat and gain muscle.. but some people really are more "lucky" than others in these terms I guess and are born naturally slim or naturally muscular. I know pleanty of males who have very fit builds without a paleo diet or going hard at the gym. And I have some females friends who have very "fit" bodies and who do not attend the gym or eat paleo. And I like Mark Sisson and I think his books are great.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 26, 2013
at 04:18 PM

Nate Miyaki needs special lighting to look great because personally I don't think his body is well developed. If you have a great physique lighting doesn't matter very much.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 26, 2013
at 04:13 PM

No, man that's fine. His physique overall is definitely achievable natural, just his nipples def have an unnatural amount of puffiness to them- which makes me suspect he's not being totally straightforward. I don't really care either way though, tbh.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on March 26, 2013
at 03:11 PM

I could ask Adelfo personally if you like, but read this: http://suppversity.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/adelfo-cerame-ten-days-to-mission.html?showComment=1348299834228#c1485512444350942302

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 26, 2013
at 03:02 PM

And Adalpho Definitely uses steroids. Look at more of his pictures and the guy has definite gyno issues. His nipples are way too puffy to be natty.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on March 26, 2013
at 09:32 AM

OK yes that is how I understand it, but then how is everything in my first paragraph wrong? I'll update it to be less general.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 26, 2013
at 02:03 AM

Right, and if you don't believe that we can alter our gene expression naturally through dietary and lifestyle means, then you should really hate Mark Sisson's book "Primal Blueprint: Reprogram your genes for effortless weight loss"

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 26, 2013
at 02:02 AM

Right, and if you don't believe that we can alter our gene expression naturally through dietary and lifestyle means, then you should really hate Mark Sisson's book "Primal Blueprint: Reprogram your genes for effortless weight loss"

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 26, 2013
at 02:00 AM

Insulin sensitivity means there is less insulin needed to transport nutrients to your cells (muscle cells most desirably). What else do you need to know? This means if you are fit and eat carbs, they don't elevate insulin to the degree that fat or diabetic people.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 26, 2013
at 01:59 AM

Insulin sensitivity means there is less insulin needed to transport muscles to your cells (muscle cells most desirably). What else do you need to know? This means if you are fit and eat carbs, they don't elevate insulin to the degree that fat or diabetic people.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on March 26, 2013
at 12:27 AM

OK, that's interesting. Not at all, or not at significant amounts to change the dynamics? Do you have any links on this? I would be interested to know at roughly what percentage of muscle mass this kicks in, because is it related to a level of overall muscle mass or muscle mass to body fat ratio, etc?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 26, 2013
at 12:01 AM

Right because when you have appreciable amounts of lean muscle mass that are insulin sensitive, carbs don't elevate insulin.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on March 25, 2013
at 11:46 PM

@foreveryoung: Please correct me then, or at least the points that are pertinent because are we really going to argue whether refined carbs in general taste good or not. I assume you have issue with the my simplification of elevated insulin and fat oxidation?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 08:28 PM

Also, everything in your first paragraph is BS.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 08:23 PM

I've researched his diet too and in an interview he says he a horse meat by the pound with beans and rice for his main meal. He also said he liked biscuits.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 08:22 PM

Yes Nubret has admitted to steroid use and you can tell just by looking at him. Also, take a look at his High frequency AND incredibly high volume training routines he followed. Not natural.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 08:21 PM

^ People really should learn the difference between fashion and fitness models and bodybuilders. All very different physiques, job requirements, and standards.

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

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on March 25, 2013
at 07:55 PM

I'm pretty sure that only certain lucky? people, born with the right genes can achieve the fitness model physiques (e.g if your dad's scrawny, you will find it hard to gain muscle too). As for fashion models, some starve themselves I am aware, but not all of them. Some people are naturally built that way, e.g I flatted with a girl who was extremely thin BMI about 18, and she literally lived off Pizza, chicken nuggets, energy drinks, alcohol, mayonnaise, lollies... I'm not saying she gorged herself on it, but its all I ever saw her eat and shes still as thin as a fashion model.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on March 25, 2013
at 07:35 PM

yup-its pretty funny..

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on March 25, 2013
at 07:06 PM

None of this is new information for me. I'm gonna bow out though since this is a religious discussion at this point between a true believer and a non-believer. The last thing I'm going to say is that, ironically, your point of view is precisely what drives so many to madness and eventual using since they have such unrealistic expectations.

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on March 25, 2013
at 07:04 PM

Who knows, maybe it's true. Easily one of the top 5 physiques that have ever been built, either way.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 06:18 PM

Yeah I've seen it. His dedication is the norm though for people that are really serious about their fitness.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 06:15 PM

Natty fitness models maintain what would be a "normal BMI" they're just replacing extra fat with more amounts of muscle.They often don't look like bodybuilders in clothes because they aren't actually big (1lb muscle is more dense than 1lb fat).Female models get mistaken for dancers when they have their clothes on.Only when they are in a bikini to people recognize them as fitness models.Male fitness models just look like trim guys clothes,and it's only when they take their shirt off that people are like ohyou must be a fitness model and then ignorant ones like yourself accuse them of juicing.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 06:14 PM

Natty fitness models maintain what would be a "normal BMI" they're just replacing extra fat with more amounts of muscle. They often don't look like models in clothes because they aren't actually big (1lb muscle is more dense than 1lb fat). Female models get mistaken for dancers when they have their clothes on. Only when they are in a bikini to people recognize them as fitness models. Male fitness models just look like trim guys clothes, and it's only when they take their shirt off that people are like oh you must be a fitness model and then ignorant ones like yourself accuse them of juicing.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 06:10 PM

Equal and often better aesthetics are achieved naturally, but the size is not. Natural fitness models don't ever get to the size that Pro bodybuilder/fitness models do. Aaron Curtis is massive at 175lbs. Female fitness models that are natural only reach about 110-135lb depending on height. People that use a lot of juice to get their physique often top over 225 for males and and 140 would be a low end for girls. Yes, there are also models that use low doses and achieve the same proportions of the best natural models out there, but it's not a necessity as there are just as many who do it natty.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 06:03 PM

Compare them to Jay Cutler and Cindy Landolt and you begin to get the picture.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 06:01 PM

Travis. YOu seem to think that everyone who is jacked in Men's Health or even Muscle and Fitness or Men's Fitness uses steroids. This is absolutely not the case. Yes, there are guys who use "low" doses of steroids and look very much the same as someone who is natty and just put in 110% of the effort. THen there are freaks that clearly abuse steroids and acheive something beyond what is achievable through natural means. Here's an example using male and females. Gregg Avedon is a 100% natural young male fitness model and indeed one of top. Bella Falconi is a 100% natural female fitness model.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on March 25, 2013
at 05:53 PM

Wow, I would double "-1" if I could. I do not stand for double standards

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on March 25, 2013
at 05:50 PM

But if you are fit, then you look fit by definition. If the "idealized model image" doesn't actually represent fitness, then that's a problem with that, not with actually being fit. :-) So, sure, some people have it easier than others because of good genes, but all kinds of people across the genetic spectrum are putting in **real work** to get fit.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on March 25, 2013
at 05:37 PM

Just updated my post.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on March 25, 2013
at 05:10 PM

Travis, I actually tried to find some definitive stuff about that. As you can imagine the conversation is split with comments like "of course he was using, everyone was then..."

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on March 25, 2013
at 04:38 PM

I think it took a bit more than horsemeat to make that possible.

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on March 25, 2013
at 04:37 PM

FY: You said that steroids only speed it up, they don't add anything. So, if you were "forever young" and could build muscle at your current rate for centuries, would you reach that point or do these compounds actually change what's possible? It's a really weak cop-out to dismiss valid questions as strawmen.

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on March 25, 2013
at 04:15 PM

Genes alone don't make people fit - but they can make people LOOK fit! And they can make a little bit of hard work go a long way. At the other end of the spectrum are those who work their tushies off, are truly fit and healthy, but don't fit the idealized model image. I think a lot of these also plays into the endomorph, mesomorph, and ectomorph body types.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on March 25, 2013
at 04:07 PM

Thank you. Those skinny racists are everywhere.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on March 25, 2013
at 03:49 PM

Thank you. Those skinny racists are everywhere. BTW greymouser, I see you know Lisp? I really need to learn it properly, my desktop is stumpwm and I live in emacs (and org-mode).

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on March 25, 2013
at 03:48 PM

Thank you. Those skinny racists are every where. BTW greymouser, I see you know Lisp? I really need to learn it properly, my desktop is stumpwm and I live in emacs (and org-mode).

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on March 25, 2013
at 03:37 PM

It's your *choice* about how the gene-cards you were dealt get expressed. Genes alone do *not* make people fit.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on March 25, 2013
at 03:33 PM

Fixed that for you. ;-)

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on March 25, 2013
at 02:23 PM

I got a downvoted for this one?

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:52 PM

I have to second @Paleo11111's point. I'm at 14%-ish now, and I'm still "fat and happy". I don't know where the dividing line is between healthy and dangerous BF%, but it's definitely not the range I'm in now.

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:19 PM

David, Wtf are you talking about. Seriosly? 12 To 15 percent is the lowest bodyfat that's sustainable without messing with your thyroid? Cite a source my man. You realize most cover models are men in their twenties who have worked out for years. Having single digit bodyfat is certainly sustainable. You just flat made it up.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 07:49 AM

Mr. Olympia competitors all do steroids and the physical proportions that they judge are much different than an all natty drug tested fitness competition. If you learned something about the fitness industry you wouldn't have to resort to straw man's such as that. I usually upvote nearly everything I see you write on here, but sorry brah, I fully endorse the downvote I gave you on this post :/

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 05:19 AM

No Mr Olympia's all do steroids.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on March 25, 2013
at 05:15 AM

Ha..small world. Funny you know of him too. He was on my friends inspiration list or wutever its called on bb.com. He asked him a few questions too about nutrition/diet i think. Actually we used to joke around debate and rationalize back n forth about the veracity of his name :) Un-natural Grahamcracker..id refer to him at times.hehe jk No offense to him. You ever come across his outdoor exercise routine in the park though?..hehehe wutver he is he's surely 100% dedicated. and lol he's more vasucalar than Madonna.

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on March 25, 2013
at 03:31 AM

So you think that if you didn't age and maintained your test levels, muscle anabolism rates etc. that by age 100 or 200 you would look like a Mr. Olympia?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 03:13 AM

hehe. funny you bring him up because I have TONS of messages in my bodyspace mailbox going back and forth with him...me trying to pick his brain (his real name's Graham Hill). There's a lot of debate about whether he's natural or not. He has competed in fully tested divisions and is very well regimented with his diet and training routines. He's one I'm really not so sure about though. His arms in particular make me think he's not natty.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 03:07 AM

His arms make me think not.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 02:53 AM

No problem man. I'll get at you sometime this week. Not tonight I'm sick of the computer, lol.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 02:50 AM

No problem man. I'll hit you up sometime this week. Not tonight I'm sick of the computer, lol.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 02:48 AM

hehe. funny you bring him up because I have TONS of messages in my bodyspace mailbox going back and forth with him...me trying to pick his brain (his real name's Graham Hill). There's a lot of debate about whether he's natural or not. He has competed in fully tested divisions and is very well regimented with his diet and training routines. He's one I'm really not so sure about though. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on March 25, 2013
at 02:38 AM

this guys natural..his name says so :) http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/photos/view-user-photo/5169381

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on March 25, 2013
at 02:32 AM

isnt Clen a peptide and therefore different than a steroid though? and do [peptides (which are constantly changing and evolving )even show up on drug tests..?

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on March 25, 2013
at 02:26 AM

yeah i know...he advertised all his various stacks-combos he ran unabashedly

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 02:08 AM

Seriously so glad I've helped at least ONE person on here move closer in the direction they want to be going. Thanks so much for the comment, Tom. Much appreciated.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:59 AM

Yes, Zyzz was on roids and it was no secret at all. No one actually thinks he's natural.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:58 AM

"I would incorporate therapeutic amounts of testosterone (yes, I know it's illegal, but I'm giving you the best-case scenario), to balance out high levels of cortisol when I have gone to the well too much." - Mark Sisson.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:50 AM

Steroids don't give you a better physique- they allow you train dumber, eat worse foods, YET achieve the same body as a natural who trains smart, eats an excellent diet, and does this for years on end beginning in their teens when they can lay a solid foundation. Steroids aren't a better physique by any means, they're just a faster one. Actually, most would think that steroid users have worse physiques because they are overly bulky, not just lean.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:41 AM

Seriously? Fitness models are people too. And 6 hours a day in the gym?...shows how little you know. MOre like 1 hour 4-5 days a week. Professional bodybuilders =/= fitness models =/= fashion models. Skinny =/= lean =/= bulky. Some fitness models take short cuts and use steroids, but just as many of them don't. Steroids don't give you a better physique- they allow you train dumber, eat worse foods, and achieve the same body as a natural who trains smart, eats an excellent diet, and does so for years on end.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:29 AM

Seriously? Fitness models are people too. And 6 hours a day in the gym?...shows how little you know. MOre like 1 hour 4-5 days a week. Professional bodybuilders =/= fitness models. SOme fitness models take short cuts and use steroids, but just as many of them don't. Steroids don't give you a better physique- they allow you train dumber, eat worse foods, and achieve the same body as a natural who trains smart, eats an excellent diet, and does so for years on end.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:28 AM

What the F**?? Fitness models are people too. And 6 hours a day in the gym?...shows how little you know. MOre like 1 hour 4-5 days a week. Professional bodybuilders =/= fitness models. SOme fitness models take short cuts and use steroids, but just as many of them don't. Steroids don't give you a better physique- they allow you train dumber, eat worse foods, and achieve the same body as a natural who trains smart, eats an excellent diet, and does so for years on end.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:25 AM

What the F**?? Fitness models are people too. And 6 hours a day in the gym?...shows how little you know. MOre like 1 hour 4-5 days a week.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:24 AM

Thanks Matt :) Just don't ask me anything about world history, or chemistry, or farming, or a plethora of other things as well.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:21 AM

What the F**?? Fitness models are people too. And 6 hours a day in the gym?...shows how little you know. MOre like 1 hour.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:20 AM

Haha. They're people too. And 6 hours a day in the gym?...shows how little you know. Try 1 hour

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:20 AM

+1 for getting it, foreveryoung.

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:08 AM

No, not like "this" quote, there others there that you didn't pick and choose. It's an realistic quote anyway. We are not fitness cover models, we're people. We're not 6 hours a day in a gym. It's not our job.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:08 AM

Here' is an article where Mark Sisson openly condone's the use of exogenous testosterone for athletes http://www.slowtwitch.com/Features/Mark_Sisson_says_training_is_no_guarantee_of_health._4.html

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:02 AM

I don't know about starvation, but yeah, genes. I have several friends who look like fitness models, women with six pack abs and all. One in particular never works out, and frequently downs a bag of potato chips while watching oprah. And she's 35, has 2 kids. wth? if I smell potato chips I gain 5 lb. If you have the genes, AND you combine that with discipline and hard work, then yeah, you look like that.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:58 AM

I updated the answer with a link for you to read.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:52 AM

He talks about steroids in the bodybuilding/fitness scene in this video and I think you might find it informative.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:49 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5jq0yM9uC0&list=PLBFBZMiElGG-ikcNtPtp1ar2Y2GAIR3Oj

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:44 AM

davidhill do you think all the hunter gatheres aired on documentaries are on drugs to keep their body fat at 10% or below? Please you guys are ridiculous.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:43 AM

Dude you guys are ridiculous.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:41 AM

Can we just agree to disagree though? I don't want to get in an arguing match with you. We have different opinions. Mine is based on conversation with acquaintances, research, trial and error, and actually doing exactly what is needed to build a body exactly how I want to it to look for 7 staight years which is nearly a third of my life, and yours is based on what?

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:40 AM

yes. men who maintain bodyfat % below 12-15% usually have to supplement with thyroid replacement hormones and other "drugs" It's just not sustainable or cause for worry if you are not getting paid to look good naked, why worry?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:33 AM

I think you just grossly underestimate the potential of the human body, which isn't uncommon in the paleosphere where it's the norm to think that we're these fragile, pristine things that doesn't know how to deal with even modest stressors or "Toxins"

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:32 AM

Dude. It's so easy for people to just call everyone a roider if they're in good shape. I've been accused of roids by dudes with 50lbs on me who play football at my University. When people say they don't use roids and their physiques are attainable naturally and they've been training and dieting properly for years if not decades, I do beleive them.

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:28 AM

LOL tell me how you stood next to them at all hours of the day and tracked everything they took and never let them out of your sight. You can count the people who have admitted to using on two hands.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:25 AM

Okay. Tell me all the fitness models you know personally? Tell me have how long you trained like one, ate like one, and lived like one but didn't get incredible results 100% naturally? I'm all ears.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:21 AM

Okay. Tell me all the fitness models you know personally? Tell me have you ever trained like one, eaten like one, lived like one? I'm all ears.

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:19 AM

This is the most naïve post I think I have ever read on the internet.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:19 AM

Just because one doesn't eat butter and the fattiest cuts of meat possible does not mean they're starving. Sorry. Starvation is a matter of physiology. high fat Ketogenic diets and very low calorie diets both trigger a starvation response.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 24, 2013
at 11:56 PM

-1 .

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 24, 2013
at 11:55 PM

A typical FEMALE fitness model diet is like 2 eggs and 6 whites in the morning with a bowl of oatmeal and berries. A piece of fish with brown rice and vegetables. A piece of chicken with sweet potatoes. A protein shake with a peice of fruit. A salad with avocado and fish. Steak with vegetables. And a protein shake with nuts before bed. That's a lot of food.

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on March 24, 2013
at 11:53 PM

Terrible answer.

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on March 24, 2013
at 11:03 PM

What?!? You just gotta eat clen and tren hard, brah/

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at 10:55 PM

I mean fitness models like you'd see on the front of Mens Health/Mens Fitness!

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on March 24, 2013
at 11:50 PM

Okay. Ignore all the other answers so far because they're wrong. I'll tackle this one by one. People are just taking the worst stereotypes from the Fashion model industry and the worst from the FITNESS industry blending them together. Fashion and fitness modeling are different things that call for different body types, to start.

The starvation claim. Actually, fitness models do not starve themselves. fashion models do, but fitness models don't. A typical female fitness model will eat between 2 and 3000 calories a day, which is far more than most women. Males it's even higher. Actually, they aim to AVOID starvation mode by NOT eating a ketogenic diet, and by supplying their bodies with a steady influx of calories through a high meal frequency.

Their diets are low in fat. Another falsehood. Typical macros for fitness models is a 40/30/30 split, divided between protein/carbs/fats. That's not low fat, especially considering how many more calories they consume than the average fat or skinny fat person. these fats are from healthy sources like eggs, nuts, avocados, salmon, and lean cuts of red meat.

Steroids. This is just not true. Yes, bodybuilding pros are always on steroids, but Men's health cover models like Max Wettstein and Gregg Avedon (both of whom I've met personally and have and have actually trained under Gregg). neither of these two have ever used steroids, and they are the number 1 and number 2 men's health cover models. The cover of Muscle and Fitness is different, as these are a mix of fitness models, bodybuilding and figure competitors. The vast majority of female competitors do not use anabolic steroids, and a large percentage of them do not use banned cutting agents like Clenbuteral. For examples of 100% natural females there is, Vanessa Tib (First female fitness model to grace teh cover of Muscle and Fitness), Jamie Eason, Tanya Etessam , Lydia Reese, Erin Simmons, Bella Falconi, Tamika Webber, MIchelle Prestin, and the list goes on and on and on. List of men who are 100% natural are Erin Curtis, Wettstein, Avedon, Rory Williams, Alex Santaniello, Sadik Hadzovik, and that list goes on and on as well.

Now, for shows do SOME of the competitors dehydrate? Yes, but that's a 1 weekend out of an entire year. A weekend of dehydration isn't what makes them look lean and it's not how they got fit either. Do they drop calories very very gradually starting about 16 weeks out? Yes, some do. Do some never drop their calories? Yes, some never drop their calories ever. You need to eat at atleast maintenence calories to build a lean body. You can't starve and get lean it just doesn't work that way.

It just takes dedication and consitency with a really clean diet (70%), an intense weight training program (27%) and some smart LEGAL supplementaion (3%) like protein, creatine, BCAAs, and l-carnitine.

People saying otherwise are making up all kinds of excuses. The vast majority of fitness models are WAY fitter than I'm sure 99% of people of who use this board, and I'm guessing it's just ignorance and envy that is source of the belittling answers.

EDIT: Here is a quote from Aaron Curtis' facebook just 5 minutes ago.

" sick of people looking towards performance enhancing drugs, as their main focus to achieving a great physique, before they have even learned how to train effectively or learned how to manipulate their body through correct nutrition.

I have nothing against those who choose to enhance (as long as they aren't competing in drug tested sports), but please, get your training and nutrition spot on, do that day-in, day-out for 5 or so years, then only think about enhancing if you feel that remaining natural is not going to allow you to ever achieve your physique goals."

Aaron competes in a drug tested division.

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on March 24, 2013
at 11:55 PM

A typical FEMALE fitness model diet is like 2 eggs and 6 whites in the morning with a bowl of oatmeal and berries. A piece of fish with brown rice and vegetables. A piece of chicken with sweet potatoes. A protein shake with a peice of fruit. A salad with avocado and fish. Steak with vegetables. And a protein shake with nuts before bed. That's a lot of food.

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:20 AM

+1 for getting it, foreveryoung.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:25 AM

Okay. Tell me all the fitness models you know personally? Tell me have how long you trained like one, ate like one, and lived like one but didn't get incredible results 100% naturally? I'm all ears.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:41 AM

Can we just agree to disagree though? I don't want to get in an arguing match with you. We have different opinions. Mine is based on conversation with acquaintances, research, trial and error, and actually doing exactly what is needed to build a body exactly how I want to it to look for 7 staight years which is nearly a third of my life, and yours is based on what?

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:19 AM

Just because one doesn't eat butter and the fattiest cuts of meat possible does not mean they're starving. Sorry. Starvation is a matter of physiology. high fat Ketogenic diets and very low calorie diets both trigger a starvation response.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:33 AM

I think you just grossly underestimate the potential of the human body, which isn't uncommon in the paleosphere where it's the norm to think that we're these fragile, pristine things that doesn't know how to deal with even modest stressors or "Toxins"

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:52 AM

He talks about steroids in the bodybuilding/fitness scene in this video and I think you might find it informative.

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:28 AM

LOL tell me how you stood next to them at all hours of the day and tracked everything they took and never let them out of your sight. You can count the people who have admitted to using on two hands.

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:19 AM

This is the most naïve post I think I have ever read on the internet.

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on March 25, 2013
at 02:08 AM

Seriously so glad I've helped at least ONE person on here move closer in the direction they want to be going. Thanks so much for the comment, Tom. Much appreciated.

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on March 25, 2013
at 02:53 AM

No problem man. I'll get at you sometime this week. Not tonight I'm sick of the computer, lol.

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:32 AM

Dude. It's so easy for people to just call everyone a roider if they're in good shape. I've been accused of roids by dudes with 50lbs on me who play football at my University. When people say they don't use roids and their physiques are attainable naturally and they've been training and dieting properly for years if not decades, I do beleive them.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:21 AM

Okay. Tell me all the fitness models you know personally? Tell me have you ever trained like one, eaten like one, lived like one? I'm all ears.

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:49 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5jq0yM9uC0&list=PLBFBZMiElGG-ikcNtPtp1ar2Y2GAIR3Oj

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 02:50 AM

No problem man. I'll hit you up sometime this week. Not tonight I'm sick of the computer, lol.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:24 AM

Thanks Matt :) Just don't ask me anything about world history, or chemistry, or farming, or a plethora of other things as well.

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:53 AM

Just remember something - it's their job to look like this. They get paid for it. It consumes their life.

These people no doubt train hard for their bodies. The drug arguement aside, I believe you can attain a body like this naturally. I'm sure if I dedicated my time and energy to the cause, I could too. But I choose not to, because it's not sustainable/optimal for my lifestyle. I work within parameters that suit my lifestyle.

You can still eat processed foods/neolithic foods and train hard and have a ripped body. I don't suspect a lot of fitness models are doing this. I'm sure most still eat fairly well to fuel their workouts because it's their job. They would be tracking their food intake and some would have a professional team behind them helping them with their fitness/health goals - a luxury (time/money-wise) a lot of us don't have.

The question here is, just because they have a ripped body, are they healthy? Not necessarily. What do you consider as healthy? They could be the most emotionally/mentally/socially depressed people in the world who are experiencing a host of other health problems. Who knows. The females may not be actively menstruating or fertile for example. There's a lot more to it than meets the eye. Just something worth keeping in mind if you're going to compare yourself to them (which I advise you don't!)

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on March 24, 2013
at 11:16 PM

The answer is a substantial intake of exogenous anabolics and thermogenics coupled with a very low calorie diet (especially leading up to the shoot). They'd probably also dehydrate themselves quite a bit to "dry out" in the day or so before the shoot. Nobody walks around like that for any length of time. Those pictures would then be run through hours of photoshop and there you have it.

It'd be a lot healthier mentally and physically to instead develop a healthy body image and just be happy with whatever a nutritionally-complete diet and reasonable amount of exercise produces.

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on March 25, 2013
at 03:31 AM

So you think that if you didn't age and maintained your test levels, muscle anabolism rates etc. that by age 100 or 200 you would look like a Mr. Olympia?

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on March 25, 2013
at 06:01 PM

Travis. YOu seem to think that everyone who is jacked in Men's Health or even Muscle and Fitness or Men's Fitness uses steroids. This is absolutely not the case. Yes, there are guys who use "low" doses of steroids and look very much the same as someone who is natty and just put in 110% of the effort. THen there are freaks that clearly abuse steroids and acheive something beyond what is achievable through natural means. Here's an example using male and females. Gregg Avedon is a 100% natural young male fitness model and indeed one of top. Bella Falconi is a 100% natural female fitness model.

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on March 25, 2013
at 04:37 PM

FY: You said that steroids only speed it up, they don't add anything. So, if you were "forever young" and could build muscle at your current rate for centuries, would you reach that point or do these compounds actually change what's possible? It's a really weak cop-out to dismiss valid questions as strawmen.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 05:19 AM

No Mr Olympia's all do steroids.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:44 AM

davidhill do you think all the hunter gatheres aired on documentaries are on drugs to keep their body fat at 10% or below? Please you guys are ridiculous.

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:52 PM

I have to second @Paleo11111's point. I'm at 14%-ish now, and I'm still "fat and happy". I don't know where the dividing line is between healthy and dangerous BF%, but it's definitely not the range I'm in now.

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:19 PM

David, Wtf are you talking about. Seriosly? 12 To 15 percent is the lowest bodyfat that's sustainable without messing with your thyroid? Cite a source my man. You realize most cover models are men in their twenties who have worked out for years. Having single digit bodyfat is certainly sustainable. You just flat made it up.

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on March 25, 2013
at 06:15 PM

Natty fitness models maintain what would be a "normal BMI" they're just replacing extra fat with more amounts of muscle.They often don't look like bodybuilders in clothes because they aren't actually big (1lb muscle is more dense than 1lb fat).Female models get mistaken for dancers when they have their clothes on.Only when they are in a bikini to people recognize them as fitness models.Male fitness models just look like trim guys clothes,and it's only when they take their shirt off that people are like ohyou must be a fitness model and then ignorant ones like yourself accuse them of juicing.

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on March 25, 2013
at 07:06 PM

None of this is new information for me. I'm gonna bow out though since this is a religious discussion at this point between a true believer and a non-believer. The last thing I'm going to say is that, ironically, your point of view is precisely what drives so many to madness and eventual using since they have such unrealistic expectations.

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on March 25, 2013
at 06:14 PM

Natty fitness models maintain what would be a "normal BMI" they're just replacing extra fat with more amounts of muscle. They often don't look like models in clothes because they aren't actually big (1lb muscle is more dense than 1lb fat). Female models get mistaken for dancers when they have their clothes on. Only when they are in a bikini to people recognize them as fitness models. Male fitness models just look like trim guys clothes, and it's only when they take their shirt off that people are like oh you must be a fitness model and then ignorant ones like yourself accuse them of juicing.

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:40 AM

yes. men who maintain bodyfat % below 12-15% usually have to supplement with thyroid replacement hormones and other "drugs" It's just not sustainable or cause for worry if you are not getting paid to look good naked, why worry?

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on March 25, 2013
at 06:10 PM

Equal and often better aesthetics are achieved naturally, but the size is not. Natural fitness models don't ever get to the size that Pro bodybuilder/fitness models do. Aaron Curtis is massive at 175lbs. Female fitness models that are natural only reach about 110-135lb depending on height. People that use a lot of juice to get their physique often top over 225 for males and and 140 would be a low end for girls. Yes, there are also models that use low doses and achieve the same proportions of the best natural models out there, but it's not a necessity as there are just as many who do it natty.

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on March 25, 2013
at 06:03 PM

Compare them to Jay Cutler and Cindy Landolt and you begin to get the picture.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:43 AM

Dude you guys are ridiculous.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 07:49 AM

Mr. Olympia competitors all do steroids and the physical proportions that they judge are much different than an all natty drug tested fitness competition. If you learned something about the fitness industry you wouldn't have to resort to straw man's such as that. I usually upvote nearly everything I see you write on here, but sorry brah, I fully endorse the downvote I gave you on this post :/

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:50 AM

Steroids don't give you a better physique- they allow you train dumber, eat worse foods, YET achieve the same body as a natural who trains smart, eats an excellent diet, and does this for years on end beginning in their teens when they can lay a solid foundation. Steroids aren't a better physique by any means, they're just a faster one. Actually, most would think that steroid users have worse physiques because they are overly bulky, not just lean.

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on March 25, 2013
at 02:28 AM

OK, I'll just add something on top of the previous answers.

Do not compare yourself to fitness model photos, or competitions. Do train towards better physique, but do not compare yourself to them, unless you decide to make it a part of your life.

On season competition or cover photo requires a lot of preparation. Nate Miyaki has a video about how lighting alone makes a lot of difference: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lnC8GmCK0k

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on March 26, 2013
at 04:18 PM

Nate Miyaki needs special lighting to look great because personally I don't think his body is well developed. If you have a great physique lighting doesn't matter very much.

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:14 AM

Come on. You can be very well nourished on a traditional whole foods diet. We believe more toxic as well, but certainly well nourished.

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on March 24, 2013
at 10:43 PM

Models eat very few calories. They don't gulp down a whole plate of pasta. They get 1-2 spoon-fulls of pasta, with lots of greens in it, maybe some white fish there too. Their diet is usually both low in fat and low in calories. It's not easily maintainable because both are cut down, in order to be slimmer than usual: the body is in starvation mode all the time (another reason why many models don't have their periods). Paleo will NOT make you as skinny as models, because Paleo is meant to give you a healthy weight instead. If you're looking to become really skinny, you're looking at the wrong diet, and wrong lifestyle.

UPDATE: If you mean actual fitness models instead of models, this very recent discussion might have some answers for you: http://www.reddit.com/r/Paleo/comments/1aulnh/what_do_you_galsguys_think_of_people_who_eat/

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:58 AM

I updated the answer with a link for you to read.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 24, 2013
at 11:53 PM

Terrible answer.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 24, 2013
at 11:56 PM

-1 .

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on March 24, 2013
at 10:55 PM

I mean fitness models like you'd see on the front of Mens Health/Mens Fitness!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:29 AM

Seriously? Fitness models are people too. And 6 hours a day in the gym?...shows how little you know. MOre like 1 hour 4-5 days a week. Professional bodybuilders =/= fitness models. SOme fitness models take short cuts and use steroids, but just as many of them don't. Steroids don't give you a better physique- they allow you train dumber, eat worse foods, and achieve the same body as a natural who trains smart, eats an excellent diet, and does so for years on end.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 25, 2013
at 01:21 AM

What the F**?? Fitness models are people too. And 6 hours a day in the gym?...shows how little you know. MOre like 1 hour.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Like this quote?:" Good for them! I wish my metabolism and other factors cough I'm fucking lazy cough worked that way."

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 25, 2013
at 01:25 AM

What the F**?? Fitness models are people too. And 6 hours a day in the gym?...shows how little you know. MOre like 1 hour 4-5 days a week.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 25, 2013
at 01:20 AM

Haha. They're people too. And 6 hours a day in the gym?...shows how little you know. Try 1 hour

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:08 AM

No, not like "this" quote, there others there that you didn't pick and choose. It's an realistic quote anyway. We are not fitness cover models, we're people. We're not 6 hours a day in a gym. It's not our job.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:41 AM

Seriously? Fitness models are people too. And 6 hours a day in the gym?...shows how little you know. MOre like 1 hour 4-5 days a week. Professional bodybuilders =/= fitness models =/= fashion models. Skinny =/= lean =/= bulky. Some fitness models take short cuts and use steroids, but just as many of them don't. Steroids don't give you a better physique- they allow you train dumber, eat worse foods, and achieve the same body as a natural who trains smart, eats an excellent diet, and does so for years on end.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 25, 2013
at 01:28 AM

What the F**?? Fitness models are people too. And 6 hours a day in the gym?...shows how little you know. MOre like 1 hour 4-5 days a week. Professional bodybuilders =/= fitness models. SOme fitness models take short cuts and use steroids, but just as many of them don't. Steroids don't give you a better physique- they allow you train dumber, eat worse foods, and achieve the same body as a natural who trains smart, eats an excellent diet, and does so for years on end.

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on March 24, 2013
at 10:43 PM

Genes, genes, starvation, genes, intense workouts, genes........

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:02 AM

I don't know about starvation, but yeah, genes. I have several friends who look like fitness models, women with six pack abs and all. One in particular never works out, and frequently downs a bag of potato chips while watching oprah. And she's 35, has 2 kids. wth? if I smell potato chips I gain 5 lb. If you have the genes, AND you combine that with discipline and hard work, then yeah, you look like that.

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on March 26, 2013
at 02:02 AM

Right, and if you don't believe that we can alter our gene expression naturally through dietary and lifestyle means, then you should really hate Mark Sisson's book "Primal Blueprint: Reprogram your genes for effortless weight loss"

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on March 25, 2013
at 03:37 PM

It's your *choice* about how the gene-cards you were dealt get expressed. Genes alone do *not* make people fit.

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on March 25, 2013
at 04:15 PM

Genes alone don't make people fit - but they can make people LOOK fit! And they can make a little bit of hard work go a long way. At the other end of the spectrum are those who work their tushies off, are truly fit and healthy, but don't fit the idealized model image. I think a lot of these also plays into the endomorph, mesomorph, and ectomorph body types.

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on March 25, 2013
at 05:50 PM

But if you are fit, then you look fit by definition. If the "idealized model image" doesn't actually represent fitness, then that's a problem with that, not with actually being fit. :-) So, sure, some people have it easier than others because of good genes, but all kinds of people across the genetic spectrum are putting in **real work** to get fit.

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Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:57 PM

If eating processed carbs and grains can make you fat, how do fitness cover models get in such good shape?

Well this is as I understand things so far: http://paleohacks.com/questions/186117/simple-explaination-of-insulin-and-why-carbs-make-us-fat/186128#186128

I believe these models cycle their carbohydrate and fat consumption (inversely proportional), plus they do some specifics (i.e. water restriction) leading up to the competition/photoshoot.

--- updated answer ---

Here's Adelfo Cerame.

paleo-diet-vs-cover-model-diet

See: Adelfo Cerame - Finally a PRO: How I Won My IFBB Pro Card. Plus: SHR Audio Interview & All the Details About Adelfo's Nutrition & Training Regimen Before the Show.

See: Adelfo Cerame - Ten Days to Mission Possible: Battle Plan for the 2013 Wheelchair Bodybuilding Season. Fasting, Eating, Training, Coaching, Counting, Sleeping & Prevailing.

--- original answer ---

Here's Serge Nubret who generally ate one meal a day of lbs of meat (horse), beans and rice. He also ate sugar biscuits between workouts and loads of "dry foods" biscuits/cookies the day before a competition.

paleo-diet-vs-cover-model-diet

The reason NOT to consume refined carbohydrates (i.e. pasta) is more about maximising nutrition per meal and keeping a useful energy balance. But if you want to be increase your energy intake then they are an easy source.

Who know's maybe Serge would have had even better results if he laid off the biscuits ?? la cuill??re and chose patate douce instead.

Update:

I started to train in 1958, back then we did not know about those products that you mentionned, and from febuary 1958 to my first international contest in Montreal "CANADA" in september 1960, 2,1/2 years after I won my first international contest it was an IFBB contest? I competed with a 20 inches arm, without anything. So from that I know that it is possible to have a fantastic physique naturally. Serge Nubret. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=972997&page=13

So I would agree he probably used stuff later on, sounds like 'Dianabol' from what other people have mentioned.

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on March 25, 2013
at 05:37 PM

Just updated my post.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on March 25, 2013
at 03:49 PM

Thank you. Those skinny racists are everywhere. BTW greymouser, I see you know Lisp? I really need to learn it properly, my desktop is stumpwm and I live in emacs (and org-mode).

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on March 25, 2013
at 07:04 PM

Who knows, maybe it's true. Easily one of the top 5 physiques that have ever been built, either way.

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on March 25, 2013
at 08:23 PM

I've researched his diet too and in an interview he says he a horse meat by the pound with beans and rice for his main meal. He also said he liked biscuits.

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on March 25, 2013
at 03:48 PM

Thank you. Those skinny racists are every where. BTW greymouser, I see you know Lisp? I really need to learn it properly, my desktop is stumpwm and I live in emacs (and org-mode).

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on March 25, 2013
at 04:38 PM

I think it took a bit more than horsemeat to make that possible.

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on March 25, 2013
at 11:46 PM

@foreveryoung: Please correct me then, or at least the points that are pertinent because are we really going to argue whether refined carbs in general taste good or not. I assume you have issue with the my simplification of elevated insulin and fat oxidation?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 26, 2013
at 02:00 AM

Insulin sensitivity means there is less insulin needed to transport nutrients to your cells (muscle cells most desirably). What else do you need to know? This means if you are fit and eat carbs, they don't elevate insulin to the degree that fat or diabetic people.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on March 26, 2013
at 09:32 AM

OK yes that is how I understand it, but then how is everything in my first paragraph wrong? I'll update it to be less general.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on March 26, 2013
at 03:11 PM

I could ask Adelfo personally if you like, but read this: http://suppversity.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/adelfo-cerame-ten-days-to-mission.html?showComment=1348299834228#c1485512444350942302

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 25, 2013
at 08:22 PM

Yes Nubret has admitted to steroid use and you can tell just by looking at him. Also, take a look at his High frequency AND incredibly high volume training routines he followed. Not natural.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 26, 2013
at 04:13 PM

No, man that's fine. His physique overall is definitely achievable natural, just his nipples def have an unnatural amount of puffiness to them- which makes me suspect he's not being totally straightforward. I don't really care either way though, tbh.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 25, 2013
at 03:33 PM

Fixed that for you. ;-)

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on March 25, 2013
at 02:23 PM

I got a downvoted for this one?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 25, 2013
at 08:28 PM

Also, everything in your first paragraph is BS.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on March 25, 2013
at 04:07 PM

Thank you. Those skinny racists are everywhere.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 26, 2013
at 03:02 PM

And Adalpho Definitely uses steroids. Look at more of his pictures and the guy has definite gyno issues. His nipples are way too puffy to be natty.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 26, 2013
at 01:59 AM

Insulin sensitivity means there is less insulin needed to transport muscles to your cells (muscle cells most desirably). What else do you need to know? This means if you are fit and eat carbs, they don't elevate insulin to the degree that fat or diabetic people.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on March 25, 2013
at 05:10 PM

Travis, I actually tried to find some definitive stuff about that. As you can imagine the conversation is split with comments like "of course he was using, everyone was then..."

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 26, 2013
at 12:01 AM

Right because when you have appreciable amounts of lean muscle mass that are insulin sensitive, carbs don't elevate insulin.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on March 26, 2013
at 12:27 AM

OK, that's interesting. Not at all, or not at significant amounts to change the dynamics? Do you have any links on this? I would be interested to know at roughly what percentage of muscle mass this kicks in, because is it related to a level of overall muscle mass or muscle mass to body fat ratio, etc?

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89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

on March 25, 2013
at 01:57 AM

zyyz 4 EVERRR :) lol

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 07:35 PM

yup-its pretty funny..

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 25, 2013
at 01:59 AM

Yes, Zyzz was on roids and it was no secret at all. No one actually thinks he's natural.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 02:32 AM

isnt Clen a peptide and therefore different than a steroid though? and do [peptides (which are constantly changing and evolving )even show up on drug tests..?

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 02:26 AM

yeah i know...he advertised all his various stacks-combos he ran unabashedly

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 05:15 AM

Ha..small world. Funny you know of him too. He was on my friends inspiration list or wutever its called on bb.com. He asked him a few questions too about nutrition/diet i think. Actually we used to joke around debate and rationalize back n forth about the veracity of his name :) Un-natural Grahamcracker..id refer to him at times.hehe jk No offense to him. You ever come across his outdoor exercise routine in the park though?..hehehe wutver he is he's surely 100% dedicated. and lol he's more vasucalar than Madonna.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 25, 2013
at 06:18 PM

Yeah I've seen it. His dedication is the norm though for people that are really serious about their fitness.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 25, 2013
at 03:07 AM

His arms make me think not.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 02:38 AM

this guys natural..his name says so :) http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/photos/view-user-photo/5169381

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 25, 2013
at 02:48 AM

hehe. funny you bring him up because I have TONS of messages in my bodyspace mailbox going back and forth with him...me trying to pick his brain (his real name's Graham Hill). There's a lot of debate about whether he's natural or not. He has competed in fully tested divisions and is very well regimented with his diet and training routines. He's one I'm really not so sure about though. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 25, 2013
at 03:13 AM

hehe. funny you bring him up because I have TONS of messages in my bodyspace mailbox going back and forth with him...me trying to pick his brain (his real name's Graham Hill). There's a lot of debate about whether he's natural or not. He has competed in fully tested divisions and is very well regimented with his diet and training routines. He's one I'm really not so sure about though. His arms in particular make me think he's not natty.

0
9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 19, 2013
at 03:11 PM

Look up bostin loyd, this kid won a national bodybuilding show, nowhere near the top ifbb or even supposedly "natural" physique competitors standard.

He was using over 2g of test a week, same for gh, he also ran clen, injected small amounts of synthol into the triceps and ran other stuff. That is so much at such a low level. If you want to even be in the running for natural shows, and i use that term sarcastically because lets face it, pretty much no one in the natty shows are natty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9EgFC49-5U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWvu-yE1TwU&feature=youtu.be

the stack is in these videos if you are interested, sorry if i got the ammounts slightly lower or higher.

http://i.imgur.com/egkl3jK.jpg

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9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 19, 2013
at 03:06 PM

Look up bostin loyd, this kid won a national bodybuilding show, nowhere near the top ifbb or even supposedly "natural" physique competitors standard.

He was using over 2g of test a week, same for gh, he also ran clen, injected small amounts of synthol into the triceps and ran other stuff. That is so much at such a low level. If you want to even be in the running for natural shows, and i use that term sarcastically because lets face it, pretty much no one in the natty shows are natty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9EgFC49-5U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWvu-yE1TwU&feature=youtu.be

the stack is in these videos if you are interested, sorry if i got the ammounts slightly lower or higher.

http://i.imgur.com/egkl3jK.jpg

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06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

on March 25, 2013
at 10:21 PM

My sister did a figure competition. She didn't eat any grains.. well maybe a few pieces of that crappy Ezikiel bread that every dude-bro likes to eat these days, but other than that it was mostly salmon and sweet potatoes and berries, blah blah. It was boring! She got super damn cut, but she was also pretty calorie restricted.

I know fitness and figure are different, but both grace the cover of muscle and health magazines.

I should also note that in the 6 months post competition she gained 60 pounds and now has a wrecked metabolism. Woo hoo!

I'm not sure who said eating crappy food makes you fat.. I know lots of skinny/ripped/hot people that eat shit day in and day out. Their insides are ugly for sure, but their outsides are just fine for now.

0
6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

on March 25, 2013
at 03:29 PM

By the way many many women are not attracted to men with ridiculous looking muscles. It is not a good or sexy or fit look. It looks like a silly cartoon character.

Just eat well and keep fit. Women don't need men to do any more than that.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 25, 2013
at 05:53 PM

Wow, I would double "-1" if I could. I do not stand for double standards

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B9d31a81c9da0a8bd42617bf6ef2365b

(-2)

on July 19, 2013
at 12:11 PM

WOW......some people are clueless. It has nothing to do with genes! Its all about eating GOOD quality CLEAN foods!

Yes some people have faster/slower metabolic rates, but with the right diet for YOUR body that can change, while i bulk, my MBR is slow and i gain weight very easily, but dont get fat as i know what i am eating where it has come from and how many grams of protein, carbs and fat im consuming per day. As i get physically bigger i slowly increase this reletive to my weight. same with loosing weight (but the other way.) I take in the right foods to raise my MBR to burn excess fat quicker.

ITS A SCIENCE. Anyone who underestimated bodybuilding can think again, it takes a lot of dedication!

By the way im not a bodybuilder, im a personal trainer and fitness fanatic who also competes in MMA. 5'9" 75kg (11.6st)

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81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

on March 25, 2013
at 07:40 PM

Genes & photoshop

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

(638)

on March 25, 2013
at 07:55 PM

I'm pretty sure that only certain lucky? people, born with the right genes can achieve the fitness model physiques (e.g if your dad's scrawny, you will find it hard to gain muscle too). As for fashion models, some starve themselves I am aware, but not all of them. Some people are naturally built that way, e.g I flatted with a girl who was extremely thin BMI about 18, and she literally lived off Pizza, chicken nuggets, energy drinks, alcohol, mayonnaise, lollies... I'm not saying she gorged herself on it, but its all I ever saw her eat and shes still as thin as a fashion model.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 25, 2013
at 08:21 PM

^ People really should learn the difference between fashion and fitness models and bodybuilders. All very different physiques, job requirements, and standards.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 26, 2013
at 02:03 AM

Right, and if you don't believe that we can alter our gene expression naturally through dietary and lifestyle means, then you should really hate Mark Sisson's book "Primal Blueprint: Reprogram your genes for effortless weight loss"

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

(638)

on March 26, 2013
at 06:22 PM

Sorry thats not what I meant. What I meant is basically that models (of any type) are generally born like that. We cannot alter our height and we cannot alter our build. Yes, we can lose fat and gain muscle.. but some people really are more "lucky" than others in these terms I guess and are born naturally slim or naturally muscular. I know pleanty of males who have very fit builds without a paleo diet or going hard at the gym. And I have some females friends who have very "fit" bodies and who do not attend the gym or eat paleo. And I like Mark Sisson and I think his books are great.

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Ee6932fe54ad68039a8d5f7a8caa0468

(2668)

on March 24, 2013
at 10:58 PM

calorie counting, and drugs! fitness magazines are filled with models that are doped up. it's not just bodybuilding mags, don't kid yourself.

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(39831)

on March 24, 2013
at 11:03 PM

What?!? You just gotta eat clen and tren hard, brah/

3f1f6d5d00e4a2078a99a07e0a6b2aea

(170)

on March 26, 2013
at 07:48 PM

hahahaha! That's worth one, for sure. Did you make that up, Travis??!!

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