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overweight people giving diet advice....

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 20, 2013 at 11:36 PM

please tell me how to be a better person and not get super annoyed when i have to endure a conversation where two overweight people decide to swap diet advice.

it's so difficult to listen to them speak with such arrogance, authority and excitement.

like... "weight watchers didn't work but maybe if i start adding chia seeds into my morning smoothie i'll finally be skinny."

good grief.

when does this cycle end?

it's so hard to watch people on a hamster wheel when it comes to health and fitness.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 23, 2013
at 05:32 PM

You're a hero... imagined a problem & then solved it. Congrats.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on January 23, 2013
at 05:19 AM

It's society's "baggage" to call out bigotry. I'm cool picking up that bag. This should stay a safe space for all kinds of people.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 22, 2013
at 02:58 PM

And I definitely don't think that someone who still has cancer should be giving advice on how to get rid of it. I'll ask the ones who actually have accomplished that.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 22, 2013
at 02:57 PM

You guys are all playing out your own agenda on this. Nobody here said that overweight = character flaw. You presented that entirely on your own to create a need to argue against 'fatism'. There is no need for that. That is not what this is about.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on January 22, 2013
at 03:56 AM

Well said Marie.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on January 22, 2013
at 03:56 AM

Thank you syrahna and David and Daniel for standing up to more fat prejudice. As a woman who has lost 170 lbs and kept it off but am still not exactly thin I get this very same thing. I may still look like I could/should lose a few pounds and some a-holes assume I have no business telling anyone how to lose weight and keep it off. People just love to hate fat people. The only thing they love more is feeling superior to them. Some people just plain suck.

61848fb3934eb0f08abacf0b920bf81b

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on January 22, 2013
at 03:10 AM

@Kashkillz, Is it just as silly for someone who still has cancer to be giving out advice too?

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 22, 2013
at 02:44 AM

You're reading into the OP and applying your own baggage. This is about overweight people giving dietary advice. I wouldn't ask a blind man what this morning's sunrise looked like. I wouldn't ask a deaf person what his favorite song is. I don't think overweight people need to give dietary advice.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on January 21, 2013
at 10:49 PM

And I won't even start on how many PH'ers probably stood in those shoes once upon a time. C'mon. A little sensitivity wouldn't hurt.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on January 21, 2013
at 10:47 PM

Kashkillz, I'm saying the assumption is that weight = character flaw. That is implicit in the OP's comment and I really don't want this site to become a bastion of "it's okay to mock those not on our path" and "the rest of us aren't doing the mocking, so it's okay with we ignore it". I find that offensive.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 21, 2013
at 04:36 PM

Prejudice is an existing word... with a standing definition. It means to pass judgement without familiarity.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on January 21, 2013
at 12:33 PM

@KK prejudice can be a characteristic of a response; one can be prejudiced based on full knowledge of a person.

197651282ddd8d675b974ee811d2269e

(1836)

on January 21, 2013
at 07:09 AM

Don't know if that's better or worse than my parents who are impressed with my hubby's transformation with Paleo but say that they just can't live without their daily toast!

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 21, 2013
at 05:16 AM

It's not a prejudice in the sense that implies ignorance. Any inference toward a stranger is prejudice. But, being overweight is not something you assume about a person. You can SEE it. And, if you're overweight it's silly to be giving out advice on diet.

089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

(5635)

on January 21, 2013
at 03:56 AM

it's sad, you know? they won't listen to anything i say so i don't say anything anymore. they are just too set in their ways.

7dab2d8c97e44d8d0c298e5c9d5d75bc

(641)

on January 21, 2013
at 03:14 AM

My Mom and step Dad are 100% the same as the above Haha!

7dab2d8c97e44d8d0c298e5c9d5d75bc

(641)

on January 21, 2013
at 03:13 AM

Ahh, Dating. Gotta hate it.

7dab2d8c97e44d8d0c298e5c9d5d75bc

(641)

on January 21, 2013
at 03:13 AM

Hahahahahaha! at the above...

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 21, 2013
at 01:17 AM

If you marry a vegan I will down vote the shit out of you bro.

977d98d9ee4a3edba0141c0b3aa018a7

(243)

on January 21, 2013
at 01:05 AM

Paleo was the first diet I ever started... thanks to a great friend and mentor and the internet. All it takes is a rational conversation and science, and someone with an open mind, and you can help put them on the right path.

977d98d9ee4a3edba0141c0b3aa018a7

(243)

on January 21, 2013
at 01:03 AM

Terribly awesome*

235c4df565edf03b13604843a3744c9d

on January 21, 2013
at 12:46 AM

@foreveryoung oh the hours of stimulating conversations you will have with that girl. wife her. she sounds like the one. lol.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 21, 2013
at 12:39 AM

Lol @foreveryoung you're a terribleperson.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on January 21, 2013
at 12:36 AM

@ terribleperson- You may enjoy this. This girl I'm dating right now is so dumb that on our first date she told me she's vegan. I said, "baby, you ordered a spicy tuna roll." And she goes, "Yeah, but it's raw." And she puts this huge emphasis on raw, like as if eating raw is what makes a person vegan. in all honesty though, a wave of relief washed over me, as not actually being vegan means her sex drive is still intact.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on January 21, 2013
at 12:35 AM

@ terribleperson- You may enjoy this. This girl I'm dating right now is so dumb that on our first date she told me she's vegan. I said, "baby, you ordered a spicy tuna roll." And she goes, "Yeah, but it's raw." And she puts this huge emphasis on raw, like as if eating raw is what makes a person vegan. in all honesty though, a wave of relief washed over me, as I her not actually being vegan means her sex drive is still intact.

235c4df565edf03b13604843a3744c9d

on January 21, 2013
at 12:22 AM

lawl, you guys are too much!!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on January 21, 2013
at 12:16 AM

The girl I'm dating right now is so dumb on our first date she told me she was a vegan at a sushi restaurant. I say "Princess. You ordered a spicy tuna roll." And she goes "Yeah but it's raw." haha.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on January 21, 2013
at 12:07 AM

^ She must have been on the Tim Ferris "Slow Carb Diet." Ferris is paleo right? (jk)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on January 21, 2013
at 12:05 AM

^ She must have been on the Tim Ferris "Slow Carb Diet." Ferris is paleo right? (lol)

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 20, 2013
at 11:59 PM

+1 .

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 20, 2013
at 11:40 PM

By the title I thought you were talking about paleo hackers, and was like oh shit, in before the sh*t storm. I saw a real big lady on the phone telling someone how she's on this new diet, looked in her kart and just saw like 20 cans of beans. Idk dude, but they gotta start somewhere I guess. It's better than them taking no initiative IMHO.

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on January 20, 2013
at 11:49 PM

I wouldn't judge those who still have hope... They will find their path, as you did. As someone who searched for 20 years to figure out why the "best" in medical science couldn't cure my pain and suffering, I can assure you that hope, at times, is the only motivator to find a solution.

When you exhaust hope, you might as well be dead.

And for those who found their solutions early in their lives, you should be thankful.

977d98d9ee4a3edba0141c0b3aa018a7

(243)

on January 21, 2013
at 01:05 AM

Paleo was the first diet I ever started... thanks to a great friend and mentor and the internet. All it takes is a rational conversation and science, and someone with an open mind, and you can help put them on the right path.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 20, 2013
at 11:59 PM

+1 .

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on January 22, 2013
at 03:56 AM

Well said Marie.

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7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on January 21, 2013
at 12:02 AM

One way you can think about it is: someone's who has lost weight by going from obese to overweight will be a better source of weight loss information for another fat person than someone who is skinny and never had to lose weight, or slender and lost just 10 or 15 lbs. Weight loss is a process, and someone could be doing all the right things and losing weight at a nice steady pace, but still be fat. And losing weight from an obese starting point is a different animal in many ways than losing weight from a generally lean starting point.

Now, I'm guessing it bothers you because they're not just fat, but because their diet advice is bad. But then your problem isn't that you judge fat people giving diet advice, but that you judge people who give bad diet advice, so you're fine!

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D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on January 21, 2013
at 04:50 AM

Slender people perpetuate just as much bad diet information as overweight people. I suspect that at its root you're dealing with a prejudice here. And that's your problem, not theirs. Your job is to practice the golden rule and if you overhear something you think is stupid to remove yourself from the stupidity or just tune it out. People are always going to dabble in hypocrisy, inconsistency and lack of follow through. Be ready to support your fellow humans when they are ready for your help. In the meantime, criminy, don't look to Paleohackers to make you feel better about being judgmental.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on January 21, 2013
at 12:33 PM

@KK prejudice can be a characteristic of a response; one can be prejudiced based on full knowledge of a person.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 21, 2013
at 04:36 PM

Prejudice is an existing word... with a standing definition. It means to pass judgement without familiarity.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 21, 2013
at 05:16 AM

It's not a prejudice in the sense that implies ignorance. Any inference toward a stranger is prejudice. But, being overweight is not something you assume about a person. You can SEE it. And, if you're overweight it's silly to be giving out advice on diet.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on January 21, 2013
at 10:49 PM

And I won't even start on how many PH'ers probably stood in those shoes once upon a time. C'mon. A little sensitivity wouldn't hurt.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 22, 2013
at 02:44 AM

You're reading into the OP and applying your own baggage. This is about overweight people giving dietary advice. I wouldn't ask a blind man what this morning's sunrise looked like. I wouldn't ask a deaf person what his favorite song is. I don't think overweight people need to give dietary advice.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on January 21, 2013
at 10:47 PM

Kashkillz, I'm saying the assumption is that weight = character flaw. That is implicit in the OP's comment and I really don't want this site to become a bastion of "it's okay to mock those not on our path" and "the rest of us aren't doing the mocking, so it's okay with we ignore it". I find that offensive.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on January 23, 2013
at 05:19 AM

It's society's "baggage" to call out bigotry. I'm cool picking up that bag. This should stay a safe space for all kinds of people.

61848fb3934eb0f08abacf0b920bf81b

(225)

on January 22, 2013
at 03:10 AM

@Kashkillz, Is it just as silly for someone who still has cancer to be giving out advice too?

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 22, 2013
at 02:58 PM

And I definitely don't think that someone who still has cancer should be giving advice on how to get rid of it. I'll ask the ones who actually have accomplished that.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 23, 2013
at 05:32 PM

You're a hero... imagined a problem & then solved it. Congrats.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on January 22, 2013
at 03:56 AM

Thank you syrahna and David and Daniel for standing up to more fat prejudice. As a woman who has lost 170 lbs and kept it off but am still not exactly thin I get this very same thing. I may still look like I could/should lose a few pounds and some a-holes assume I have no business telling anyone how to lose weight and keep it off. People just love to hate fat people. The only thing they love more is feeling superior to them. Some people just plain suck.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 22, 2013
at 02:57 PM

You guys are all playing out your own agenda on this. Nobody here said that overweight = character flaw. You presented that entirely on your own to create a need to argue against 'fatism'. There is no need for that. That is not what this is about.

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3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

(8395)

on January 21, 2013
at 08:05 AM

As an overweight woman myself I have some compassion, but . . .

I am "shopping" for a better endocrinologist and my HMO features photos of physicians on the web. One female endo who has a great background is very obese. It does tell me that she can't know much about how diet affects the endocrine system (neither do the thin ones I've come across so far, for that matter!). So I crossed her off my list based on her photo alone. She's probably the nicest, but I want someone with a modicum of understanding why paleo is effective (60 lbs down so far).

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Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

on January 21, 2013
at 03:35 AM

All of the Dieticians at the company I work for are overweight... and their menus are HORRIBLE.. even by SAD standards.

I'm just waiting to get a talkin-to for bringing in my own food. Should be an interesting discussion.

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089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

(5635)

on January 21, 2013
at 01:41 AM

my mom and stepdad are like this. he is always complaining how he can't lose weight but does everything right... yet he eats hoagies, pizza, and ice cream as snacks after dinner.

197651282ddd8d675b974ee811d2269e

(1836)

on January 21, 2013
at 07:09 AM

Don't know if that's better or worse than my parents who are impressed with my hubby's transformation with Paleo but say that they just can't live without their daily toast!

089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

(5635)

on January 21, 2013
at 03:56 AM

it's sad, you know? they won't listen to anything i say so i don't say anything anymore. they are just too set in their ways.

7dab2d8c97e44d8d0c298e5c9d5d75bc

(641)

on January 21, 2013
at 03:14 AM

My Mom and step Dad are 100% the same as the above Haha!

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5b9a25a1a676397a25579dfad59e1d7b

(2318)

on January 21, 2013
at 01:50 AM

Suggest they watch Fat Head :)

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3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

on January 21, 2013
at 10:24 PM

I see this happening a lot, also. I think there's just an awful lot of misinformation out there. It's sad, really.

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