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Created April 13, 2011 at 11:20 PM

Hi, here is my diet 'Routine' that I practice daily.I usually don't vary it much as I don't like to spend much time cooking and have to economize. I'd like to hear some criticisms from the most cynical in the gallery. ANy rotten tomatoes would be much appreciated.

Diet: 4 meals per day at 4.5 hr. intervals. The source of foods is grass-fed, free-run but often I have recourse to store-bought variety.

Here is the grocery list:

after weights+cardio (1) 6 lrg. store-bought/freerun Eggs(1 eggshell) :boiled Butter 50 grams(consumed solid, not melted) garlic(1 'bulb' not 'clove') parsely(a few sprigs) decaf green tea(1 bag in water slugged back) Vitamin C(ascorbic acid) 500 mg. tab. Vitamin D3 2 x 400 mg.tabs

(2)Meat(organ or muscle, preferably beef) 7 oz. baked or fried unsweetened shredded Coconut with cinnamon added(1 tsp) 40 grams Cabbage(a handful of baked leaves, well cooked) Spices for meat: paprika (2 tsps), turmeric(1 1/2 tbsps), cayenne(1 tsp.), ginger(2 tsps). Calcium tab 500 mg /bone from meat 10 gr. Vitamin D3 x 2 400 mg. tabs

post-workout (3)Meat(as above, preference for organ/gelatin or collagen rich) Butter 50 grams (with same spices minus cayenne) cabbage rosehip tea(1 bag), rooibos tea(1 bag) Calcium tab 500 mg

(4)canned Tuna in water(drained/rinsed with water) 1 Egg(with shell) cod liver oil (1 tbsp)
Butter 50 grams Coconut(2-3 tbsps) Vitamin C 500 mg.

This has been a pretty workable scheme for me so far. But maybe(likely) it could be improved upon---perhaps it should if health/wellness is a concern. This much I can't say at the moment in my humble state of ignorance. I also will "question" my exercise routine for the perusal of any out there who are physical culturalists/gym rats(incidentally I work out at home-barefoot and as "natural" as is socially acceptable).

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on April 17, 2011
at 08:04 AM

These talk about calcium and iron absorption... As for the eggshells I've never tried em so I can't comment. You know spinach/kale/broccoli are all good sources of absorbable calcium. Also, if you're eating paleo with lots of veggies the net acid load on your body is less and so your calcium requirements are also less. Dr. Cordain has written quite a bit about this. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1600930 http://www.ajcn.org/content/68/1/3.full.pdf

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on April 16, 2011
at 10:36 PM

6 oz a day is excessive; if the can doesn't say "BPA-free" it isn't; trophic level refers to how high on the food chain (tuna are large and high on it); it's only standard tea that bioaccumulates fluoride to a large extent; you could supplement with potassium if you don't want to get it from tubers.

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on April 16, 2011
at 09:10 PM

Thanks for the info.(I overzealously over responded to you and the system eliminated my comments). to recap: (1) 6-7 oz. liver PER DAY excessive? (2) How-to-tell if tune contains BPA; (3) what mean: " too high of a trophic level..."; (4) rose hip tea= fluoridated?; (5) Potassium other than gains/tubers/fruits source? Ideas. I hope this fits my alloted limits of words.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 16, 2011
at 08:49 PM

I made a comment: where did the textdisappear to (it had only 700+ characters left and took me 5 minutes to type?)

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on April 16, 2011
at 08:37 PM

Would you elaborate on the relationship between calcium and iron and why they are best kept seperate as you contend? How does three eggshells per day 1 each with a meal sound for calcium dose?

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on April 16, 2011
at 08:35 PM

RG73: would you know any references for this 'metastatic calcification' process? Does 3 eggshells(lrg. duck or chicken egg) seem excessive as a daily calcium dose?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 16, 2011
at 08:21 PM

I'm sticking with egg shells now(10 grams per meal of dried/crushed shells). I am concerned with the phosphorous content however, and its inhibition of calcium absorption. Is this theory true? What would you advise to optimize absorption>

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 16, 2011
at 06:11 PM

I already told everone on this site why: because I am a "reverse-vampire" thats why;)

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on April 16, 2011
at 04:46 PM

hmm, i don't think eating solid butter is paleo reenactment, though i agree on all the other counts. I've been eating chunks of solid butter since i was a kid and had no idea what Paleo even was, just cause I thought it tasted great that way. maybe not 50 grams at a time, but certainly a nice tablespoon. I don't think I've ever cooked with it without a "quality control" knob for myself. Butter's good.

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on April 15, 2011
at 02:21 PM

tomorrow's arrived...

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on April 14, 2011
at 03:28 PM

Why are you worried about calcification of soft tissues and why do you think pouring more calcium on the problem is going to have the opposite effect? You're actually making yourself more prone to metastatic calcification. I mean for someone who is going to great lengths to paleo re-enact, do you ask yourself if paleo man would have popped a mega-dose calcium pill?

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on April 14, 2011
at 02:14 PM

No IF then....see Ori Hofmekler

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

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on April 14, 2011
at 12:36 PM

a Paleo diet ought to reduce paranoia

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 14, 2011
at 01:56 AM

I will tomorrow. Usually it is high volume but in an unorthodox style.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 14, 2011
at 01:55 AM

I am paranoid. Probably I had cultivated this practice in the past (owing to Vince Gironda advice) and haven't had the fortitude to change. Probably worth it...as to the calcium: Is this an O.D(over dose)? I am again paranoid about calcification of soft tissues...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 14, 2011
at 01:53 AM

Thanks, I will follow the recs. P.S nits are meant to be picked aren't they?

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on April 14, 2011
at 01:26 AM

Mmmmmmmmm dirt.

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9f9fa49265e03ddd2bf2bba5477a556b

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on April 14, 2011
at 12:46 AM

Solid butter and eggs with shells? Paleo re-enactment is fun, isn't it? I'd throw some dirt in there while you're at it to get the appropriate amount of bacterial flora and, you know, give your immune system something to do.

Also, why are you taking vitamin C and calcium supplements? You should be able to get those in abundance from your diet.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on April 14, 2011
at 01:26 AM

Mmmmmmmmm dirt.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on April 14, 2011
at 12:36 PM

a Paleo diet ought to reduce paranoia

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:55 AM

I am paranoid. Probably I had cultivated this practice in the past (owing to Vince Gironda advice) and haven't had the fortitude to change. Probably worth it...as to the calcium: Is this an O.D(over dose)? I am again paranoid about calcification of soft tissues...

9f9fa49265e03ddd2bf2bba5477a556b

(3184)

on April 14, 2011
at 03:28 PM

Why are you worried about calcification of soft tissues and why do you think pouring more calcium on the problem is going to have the opposite effect? You're actually making yourself more prone to metastatic calcification. I mean for someone who is going to great lengths to paleo re-enact, do you ask yourself if paleo man would have popped a mega-dose calcium pill?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 16, 2011
at 08:35 PM

RG73: would you know any references for this 'metastatic calcification' process? Does 3 eggshells(lrg. duck or chicken egg) seem excessive as a daily calcium dose?

Medium avatar

(5136)

on April 16, 2011
at 04:46 PM

hmm, i don't think eating solid butter is paleo reenactment, though i agree on all the other counts. I've been eating chunks of solid butter since i was a kid and had no idea what Paleo even was, just cause I thought it tasted great that way. maybe not 50 grams at a time, but certainly a nice tablespoon. I don't think I've ever cooked with it without a "quality control" knob for myself. Butter's good.

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64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on April 13, 2011
at 11:41 PM

If you're really looking for people to nitpick I'd keep the green tea away from meals as it can impair absorption. Also, calcium and iron seem better kept separated so I'd keep the calcium tab away from the meat meals. If you're going to take the vit-c (which I'm not sure you even need), taking it during the meal that you have meat will increase absorption of the iron.

Aside from that looks good ;)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:53 AM

Thanks, I will follow the recs. P.S nits are meant to be picked aren't they?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 16, 2011
at 08:37 PM

Would you elaborate on the relationship between calcium and iron and why they are best kept seperate as you contend? How does three eggshells per day 1 each with a meal sound for calcium dose?

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on April 17, 2011
at 08:04 AM

These talk about calcium and iron absorption... As for the eggshells I've never tried em so I can't comment. You know spinach/kale/broccoli are all good sources of absorbable calcium. Also, if you're eating paleo with lots of veggies the net acid load on your body is less and so your calcium requirements are also less. Dr. Cordain has written quite a bit about this. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1600930 http://www.ajcn.org/content/68/1/3.full.pdf

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(5136)

on April 16, 2011
at 04:49 PM

an entire bulb of garlic every day? seriously? why?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 16, 2011
at 06:11 PM

I already told everone on this site why: because I am a "reverse-vampire" thats why;)

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 13, 2011
at 11:37 PM

Do you exercise every day? That seems too much. Tell us about your workout.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:56 AM

I will tomorrow. Usually it is high volume but in an unorthodox style.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on April 15, 2011
at 02:21 PM

tomorrow's arrived...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 16, 2011
at 08:49 PM

I made a comment: where did the textdisappear to (it had only 700+ characters left and took me 5 minutes to type?)

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on April 16, 2011
at 07:09 PM

I'd make these changes:

Skip the tea as it's high in fluoride and probably blocks nutrient uptake

Replace your C supplement with something like this: http://www.thesynergycompany.com/store/product.php?productid=16139&cat=259&page=1

It's unclear how much liver you're eating per week, but make it at least 1/4lb. I try to eat 1/4 lb every other day.

You are listing vitamin D in mgs, but I'm hoping that it's actually IU and is just a typo. If not, then replace that with a proper d3 supplement.

I'd use a calcium citrate supplement and take an equivalent amount of magnesium glycinate. I do 400mg of each a day. I noticed that I was having cardiac arrhythmias after I stopped eating cheese but before I took the supplement. It seems clear to me that I need it.

The canned tuna seems like a bad choice unless it's a BPA-free can, and even then, tuna is on too high of a trophic level to eat in those amounts. The bioaccumulation of contaminants such as mercury are excessive. Eating oysters every other day or so would be a great source of bioavailable zinc, though.

It looks like you're probably deficient in potassium due to a lack of tubers. People fear carbs here, but they work great for me, especially before, during and after weight lifting. I shoot for 100-150g of net starch carbs on normal days and 300+ on workout days. Since cutting out a lot of butter and increasing carbs, I've lost a couple pounds of fat.

Additionally, if you're having digestive troubles, consider adding 6oz of raspberries a day. They're low in fructose but high in fiber. They also have good amounts of vitamin C and manganese.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 16, 2011
at 09:10 PM

Thanks for the info.(I overzealously over responded to you and the system eliminated my comments). to recap: (1) 6-7 oz. liver PER DAY excessive? (2) How-to-tell if tune contains BPA; (3) what mean: " too high of a trophic level..."; (4) rose hip tea= fluoridated?; (5) Potassium other than gains/tubers/fruits source? Ideas. I hope this fits my alloted limits of words.

Medium avatar

(39831)

on April 16, 2011
at 10:36 PM

6 oz a day is excessive; if the can doesn't say "BPA-free" it isn't; trophic level refers to how high on the food chain (tuna are large and high on it); it's only standard tea that bioaccumulates fluoride to a large extent; you could supplement with potassium if you don't want to get it from tubers.

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on April 16, 2011
at 12:13 PM

I'd take a magnesium supplement before I'd take calcium tabs. Doubt you need the calcium supplements. I would think you wouldn't want to get that much calcium out of balance from mag.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 16, 2011
at 08:21 PM

I'm sticking with egg shells now(10 grams per meal of dried/crushed shells). I am concerned with the phosphorous content however, and its inhibition of calcium absorption. Is this theory true? What would you advise to optimize absorption>

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