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Looking good in old age?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 04, 2011 at 8:16 PM

As paleo people, probably, Art de Vany is the best yardstick to use, to say "look, this guy looks like this at 71, he eats like I do" (more or less). When I persisted with encouraging a friend to convert to paleo, she asked if I'd actually looked into non-paleo followers that looked as good at the same age. I hadn't really. Unfortunately the best example is my very own dad, she pointed out, who she says looks better than de Vany at 2 years younger.

But real answers, Clarence Bass is a good example.

From the vegan corner we have Mimi Kirk

Spencer Churchill? No idea what eats

Who else looks good in old age, regardless of diet?

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

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on April 14, 2011
at 02:23 PM

there is something rather unappealing about any woman that eats mostly raw cabbage and other shredded vegetables IMHO

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 06, 2011
at 12:55 AM

I can't tell, are you being facetious? Steve is very vegetarian, and logged in explicit detail with progress phots on Lyle McDonald's forum. Quite a few people lost tons of bodyfat and gained muscle naturally using Lyle's ketogenic diet, without drugs (for example, me). The only meat I ate during that time was chicken breast, which is not exactly a nutritional powerhouse. It's all a matter of timely carb cycling.

08ce57b1bbb3bda8e384234389c36d94

on March 06, 2011
at 12:33 AM

I seriously doubt Steve Holt has been vegetarian for 25 years. And if he has then I seriously doubt he's clean. Its more likely he eats steak and burgers but keeps it secret so he makes the covers of Vegetarian friendly magazines. Don't be fooled.

9e7039b63b656582f66d84c5255b436d

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on March 05, 2011
at 08:58 AM

Unfortunately I was asked the question. I had to use Art de Vany as the yardstick.

9e7039b63b656582f66d84c5255b436d

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on March 05, 2011
at 08:47 AM

@Eva I agree, swimmers look better than body builders : )

9e7039b63b656582f66d84c5255b436d

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on March 05, 2011
at 08:40 AM

OK, I sort of agree, Art de Vany might not be the best example.

9e7039b63b656582f66d84c5255b436d

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on March 05, 2011
at 08:36 AM

@Lacey, Mimi Kirk is female, in the original question.

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on March 05, 2011
at 08:34 AM

@Kamal good answer, thanks, I wasn't really thinking of weightlifting men in the question, just healthy people, although I guess de Vany is ripped. Steve Holt, he's too young really, Helen Mirren looks great, she obviously got something right. Not sure about Susan Sarandon myself.

9f9fa49265e03ddd2bf2bba5477a556b

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on March 05, 2011
at 04:30 AM

That dude is ridiculous. The goods news is that I've got 37 years to work on looking as good as him when I'm 74.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on March 05, 2011
at 04:21 AM

My mother is 73. She ate a lot of crap most of her life but was still in good shape. But what matters to me is after paleo, she was in BETTER shape!

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on March 05, 2011
at 04:19 AM

Actually, I often think that weight lifters with close to no body fat and all ripped look kinda creepy. As a woman, I'd rather see a more natural look like the muscles that swimmers get.

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on March 05, 2011
at 02:48 AM

*googles Mukaba Shoshomo*

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 05, 2011
at 01:59 AM

P.S. there's no actual person named Mukaba Shoshomo

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 05, 2011
at 01:58 AM

Although totally pointless, it is a heuristic that people use. If random tribespeople were known to the public, we could throw those names around. "Mukaba Shoshomo is 71, and she has eaten paleo her whole life and looks amazing!"

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on March 05, 2011
at 01:27 AM

I want to look like Helen Mirren when I grow up.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 05, 2011
at 01:27 AM

I had to weed out the pictures labeled "GILF".

16ac9720030cbf0908f56da404ab01b9

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on March 05, 2011
at 01:26 AM

Yeah, I was going to point out that the examples in the question were all male, so thanks for the female role models.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 05, 2011
at 01:22 AM

Those are some hot old ladies!!

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on March 04, 2011
at 11:22 PM

*snigger* hammer time xD

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 04, 2011
at 10:56 PM

(sorry for the multiple critiques...apparently the moment was right for hammer time)

9e7039b63b656582f66d84c5255b436d

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on March 04, 2011
at 10:55 PM

I wasn't trying to provoke some paleo/vegan war here. In the interview I saw with Mimi Kirk, she said she had been vegetarian for 40 years and raw vegan for 2 years. She looks good for her age. Thank you Kamal for your comments.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 04, 2011
at 10:06 PM

Also, the question was "Who else looks good in old age, regardless of diet?" It was not "Do you judge the healthfulness of a vegan diet by the looks of an old vegan?"

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 04, 2011
at 09:27 PM

Why do you so strongly doubt that a vegan could be healthy after a long period of vegan eating? Are you omniscient? Just because eating vegan is not (at all) optimal doesn't mean that all vegans automatically start feeling like crap and develop disease. It's one thing to compare diets, and it's quite another to judge someone else's health based on their diet.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on March 04, 2011
at 08:43 PM

Yah! I do - http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1010351273

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on March 04, 2011
at 08:37 PM

hahaha...lucky you. Do u facebook?

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21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 05, 2011
at 12:56 AM

looking-good-in-old-age?

looking-good-in-old-age? looking-good-in-old-age?

Steve Holt is in picture one. He's 52 (so not that old, really) and has been vegetarian for 25 years, lifting weights naturally for the past 15 years. Susan Sarandon is in picture 2. She eats a balanced omnivorous diet and is 63 years old. Helen Mirren is in picture 3. She is 65, and eats an omniverous diet and tries not worry about specifics, and also includes Wii Fit in her exercise regimen.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on March 05, 2011
at 01:27 AM

I want to look like Helen Mirren when I grow up.

9e7039b63b656582f66d84c5255b436d

(1132)

on March 05, 2011
at 08:36 AM

@Lacey, Mimi Kirk is female, in the original question.

9e7039b63b656582f66d84c5255b436d

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on March 05, 2011
at 08:34 AM

@Kamal good answer, thanks, I wasn't really thinking of weightlifting men in the question, just healthy people, although I guess de Vany is ripped. Steve Holt, he's too young really, Helen Mirren looks great, she obviously got something right. Not sure about Susan Sarandon myself.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on March 05, 2011
at 01:27 AM

I had to weed out the pictures labeled "GILF".

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on March 05, 2011
at 04:19 AM

Actually, I often think that weight lifters with close to no body fat and all ripped look kinda creepy. As a woman, I'd rather see a more natural look like the muscles that swimmers get.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

(1146)

on March 05, 2011
at 01:22 AM

Those are some hot old ladies!!

9e7039b63b656582f66d84c5255b436d

(1132)

on March 05, 2011
at 08:47 AM

@Eva I agree, swimmers look better than body builders : )

16ac9720030cbf0908f56da404ab01b9

(289)

on March 05, 2011
at 01:26 AM

Yeah, I was going to point out that the examples in the question were all male, so thanks for the female role models.

08ce57b1bbb3bda8e384234389c36d94

on March 06, 2011
at 12:33 AM

I seriously doubt Steve Holt has been vegetarian for 25 years. And if he has then I seriously doubt he's clean. Its more likely he eats steak and burgers but keeps it secret so he makes the covers of Vegetarian friendly magazines. Don't be fooled.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on March 06, 2011
at 12:55 AM

I can't tell, are you being facetious? Steve is very vegetarian, and logged in explicit detail with progress phots on Lyle McDonald's forum. Quite a few people lost tons of bodyfat and gained muscle naturally using Lyle's ketogenic diet, without drugs (for example, me). The only meat I ate during that time was chicken breast, which is not exactly a nutritional powerhouse. It's all a matter of timely carb cycling.

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on March 04, 2011
at 08:54 PM

A vegan ate a vegan diet for fifty years or more? I rather doubt it. It amazes me how many of these vegans only last a decade or two and were healthy when they began, else they could not have maintained it that long. So no, I'm not going to judge the healthfulness of a vegan diet by whether an elderly person is eating it. For all I know they adopted the diet five or ten years ago, hardly time for it to have affected how they've aged.

Sorry, but we're not five or six different species and I don't believe we all need such radically different diets. There is a wide range of what we can tolerate and there are slightly different dietary approaches depending on one's health status. But we are not a single species comprised of both insectivores-turned-nonobligate-carnivores and herbivores. It doesn't work that way.

Let 'em do what they like but I hardly feel the need to emulate them if I know the diet's wrong, on its face, for my physiology.

Not that I think there is any such thing as a THE Paleo Diet either. There are lots and lots of ways to be Paleo. Mind you, all of them involve animals in the diet. No way around it.

(edit) Actually, I tell you what, the way people change their dietary habits these days, sometimes every ten years or so, I wouldn't look to any elderly modern people to say this diet or that diet is the best. I would rather look to the indigenous with little to no industrial food in their diets because they have much more consistent dietary patterns. Look at some of the African tribes who haven't modernized yet, for instance. They might be wrinkly in the face from sun exposure but they're also wiry and strong. Look at how they've eaten. That's more what I would follow, at least in approximation of macronutrient intake and food types (ruminant, leafy vegetable, etc.).

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 04, 2011
at 10:06 PM

Also, the question was "Who else looks good in old age, regardless of diet?" It was not "Do you judge the healthfulness of a vegan diet by the looks of an old vegan?"

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 04, 2011
at 10:56 PM

(sorry for the multiple critiques...apparently the moment was right for hammer time)

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on March 04, 2011
at 11:22 PM

*snigger* hammer time xD

9e7039b63b656582f66d84c5255b436d

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on March 04, 2011
at 10:55 PM

I wasn't trying to provoke some paleo/vegan war here. In the interview I saw with Mimi Kirk, she said she had been vegetarian for 40 years and raw vegan for 2 years. She looks good for her age. Thank you Kamal for your comments.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on March 04, 2011
at 09:27 PM

Why do you so strongly doubt that a vegan could be healthy after a long period of vegan eating? Are you omniscient? Just because eating vegan is not (at all) optimal doesn't mean that all vegans automatically start feeling like crap and develop disease. It's one thing to compare diets, and it's quite another to judge someone else's health based on their diet.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on April 14, 2011
at 02:23 PM

there is something rather unappealing about any woman that eats mostly raw cabbage and other shredded vegetables IMHO

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2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on March 04, 2011
at 08:23 PM

Me, I'm actually 107.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on March 04, 2011
at 08:43 PM

Yah! I do - http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1010351273

8763119a6ff9dce4bf78d543426b0144

on March 04, 2011
at 08:37 PM

hahaha...lucky you. Do u facebook?

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on March 05, 2011
at 01:46 AM

I think looking at the extremes is totally pointless. Outliers are outliers. There are people who will look fantastic in old age regardless of what they eat or how they live. It is like saying, gee, what do I have to do to be as good at basketball as Kobe Bryant or Lebron James? You just can't. I mean that is an extreme example, but picking Devany and say Steve Holt above (who has a ridiculous body fat % for any age) is sort of the same thing.

How about we just compare the mean Paleo person to the mean SAD person at say age 50 or 60? That isn't terribly scientific since neither group has had a controlled diet, but, that said, on average, we know that the average American at age 50+ is obese, with various metabolic disorders, with various stages of heart disease and various stages of kidney, liver and other other assorted organ damage. They probably have a torn up, leaky gut, some autoimmune stuff going on, some degree of arthritic conditions setting in...basically a mess. But there are probably 300 million Americans on non-Paleo diets vs maybe (?) a million-ish Paleo folks. So among those 300 million, you're going to find 1% or 5% that are miraculously unscathed by their diets. Genetic variation is a beautiful thing.

So if someone can actually compile some sort of study on stats of Paleo dieters (say anyone who has kept to an agreed upon Paleo diet for say 75%+ of their calories for say >12 months) and then compare BMI (flawed though it is), blood pressure, blood sugar, lipids, and various other metrics, my guess is that the mean of the Paleo group will be better in each category than the SAD group. But genetics are still important. Bad genes and immaculate diet and you can still be a wreck at 50.

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on March 05, 2011
at 08:58 AM

Unfortunately I was asked the question. I had to use Art de Vany as the yardstick.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on March 05, 2011
at 04:21 AM

My mother is 73. She ate a lot of crap most of her life but was still in good shape. But what matters to me is after paleo, she was in BETTER shape!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on March 05, 2011
at 01:58 AM

Although totally pointless, it is a heuristic that people use. If random tribespeople were known to the public, we could throw those names around. "Mukaba Shoshomo is 71, and she has eaten paleo her whole life and looks amazing!"

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 05, 2011
at 01:59 AM

P.S. there's no actual person named Mukaba Shoshomo

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on March 05, 2011
at 02:48 AM

*googles Mukaba Shoshomo*

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on November 09, 2012
at 10:49 PM

Another vegetarian turned raw vegan, Annette Larkins, looks incredible. She has been vegetarian since the sixties and raw vegan for 27 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GDmcAU7U4Y&feature=related

here is a video of mimi kirk (who says she doesn't exercise).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6qi3gfIJRA&feature=related

I'm not convinced that raw vegan is the way to go by looking at two raw vegan cougars, but it my mind seems to be adding this anecdotal evidence to my pro-organic argument.

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on March 05, 2011
at 08:16 AM

I don't think Art de Vany looks good for 71 at all. I know lots of guys that age who look better eating anything at all. Is it 'cos A d V does TOO MUCH exercise for his age??!!

BUT - I still think paleo is the diet we are designed for.

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on March 05, 2011
at 08:40 AM

OK, I sort of agree, Art de Vany might not be the best example.

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on March 05, 2011
at 04:03 AM

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on March 05, 2011
at 04:30 AM

That dude is ridiculous. The goods news is that I've got 37 years to work on looking as good as him when I'm 74.

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on March 05, 2011
at 02:47 AM

Outliers are outliers. Enough said.

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