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It seems so counter intuitive

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 13, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Eat as much as you want (e.g. take in more than 2000 calories per day) and lose weight? I have been told the equation of weight loss is to take in less and expend more! Can someone explained to me how 2000 of paleo calories differs than a standard "non paleo" 2000 calories (e.g. white starchy carbs, sugar's etc...).

Also can someone explain to me what are the weight loss consequences of taking in MORE than 2000 calories per day on the paleo diet? Do I need to be counting calories here?

Thanks!

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on March 15, 2013
at 05:52 PM

Ok. I stuck the links in my original answer. It goes back to just one study, but its pretty compelling when you listen to him.

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at 02:13 AM

Absolutely spot on! Metabolic regulation should be the primary objective of any nutritional template (I'm loathed to say 'diet'). CW has this completely arse-about-face, focusing on calories and not optimizing for nutritional benefits. At some point about 40 years ago the food pyramid was locked down, never to be challenged by the 'powers that be'. Paleo is about breaking down that pyramid and rebuilding it based on what actually works for the individual.

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Would be good to get some citations on that.

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on March 14, 2013
at 03:20 AM

"Eat as much as you want and lose weight?" > Nope. Caveat: depends how much you 'want'

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"Eat as much as you want and lose weight?" > Nope (caveat: depends how much you 'want'

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The human body is a Complex Adaptive System. Your body provides signals regarding the nutrition needed to sustain, grow and repair it. Put the right foods in your mouth and listen to those signals. What foods suit your own body the best is unique and best discovered through experimentation, i.e. N=1. It is hard to overeat a clean, fresh, whole diet because the satiety signals will tell you to stop eating and you won't have the gnawing, primal hunger pangs driving you to keep eating. Overrule your satiety signals through force of will and you will gain wight.

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on March 13, 2013
at 11:28 PM

It'd be the opposite, actually. Fat calories are more likely to be stored.

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on March 14, 2013
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One of the interesting things I've heard pointed out is that paleo carbs are found in cells, whereas non-paleo stuff tends to be processed to the point where the cells are broken or it is refined to the point where is just a particular chemical.

Guess which one our bodies and our gut flora know how to deal with.

Melissa McEwen comments and links to the abstract, and Carl Lanore interviewed Dr. Spreadbury about it.

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on March 15, 2013
at 02:05 AM

Would be good to get some citations on that.

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on March 15, 2013
at 05:52 PM

Ok. I stuck the links in my original answer. It goes back to just one study, but its pretty compelling when you listen to him.

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on March 13, 2013
at 11:23 PM

I think the idea is that you eat until you are full, but you'll find that you get full a lot sooner/faster and with a lower quantity of food and carbs than a SAD diet. After switching to Paleo I started to eat about 30-40% less calories and did NOT feel hungry, in fact my appetite dropped so much that I can easily skip meals. Paleo food is much more delicious and satisfying than low-fat processed pseudo-food and you will not have to eat as much and won't feel the urge to snack.

If you are really restricting your food intake and under-eating, your body can go into a kind of starvation mode and won't lose weight because it thinks it's in crisis. In that case you might have to eat more to lose weight. But most people never get anywhere near there and when switching to the Paleo diet naturally and comfortably just eat less food and as a result lose weight.

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on March 14, 2013
at 02:26 AM

The point is that eating foods like sugar/wheat confuse your natural appetite system. By eating nutrient dense foods that our body and brain expect, our appetite regulation system works better and we don't overeat. Think of a tiger in the jungle: when there's a lot of food around it doesn't get fat and diabetic. Rather, it eats just the right amount and gets healthier ... without counting calories!

Calories matter. A person with some psychological issues may overeat, even on paleo. A person with some metabolic disregulation may overeat on paleo too, but if those issues are lessened over time with a good diet, the overeating will reduce or disappear on its own. Paleo may result in immediate weight loss and improvement without counting calories, but it won't always be that quick or simple. But it will be better than continuing on with the disregulating diet.

For some people, even on Paleo they'll need to count calories. I would try it for a few months first and let things sort themselves out first. Paleo first and foremost improves health, and that improvement in health may enable some weight loss. But of course Paleo doesn't always fix everything, and some calorie counting may be necessary down the line. Paleo is for life, so there's no great hurry to make everything perfect right away. Health will improve, and that buys you time to experiment later if you need to.

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on March 15, 2013
at 02:13 AM

Absolutely spot on! Metabolic regulation should be the primary objective of any nutritional template (I'm loathed to say 'diet'). CW has this completely arse-about-face, focusing on calories and not optimizing for nutritional benefits. At some point about 40 years ago the food pyramid was locked down, never to be challenged by the 'powers that be'. Paleo is about breaking down that pyramid and rebuilding it based on what actually works for the individual.

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on March 19, 2013
at 04:16 PM

I can put on weight eating meat, fish, eggs, veg, nuts, some fruit. This is because I eat every day when I am already full.

I suspect for some of us we have to try to remember to stop when we feel full.

However it's harder to put on vast amounts of weight eating like this.

I don't count calories as I cannot be bothered but I am sure I often eat well over 2000 a day.

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on March 14, 2013
at 12:52 AM

You'll never know unless you try. Give it a go and let us know how it works for you. If you're gaining weight, you'll have your answer and know what you need to do (I'm guessing you won't gain weight).

You don't have to force yourself to eat 2000 or more calories, but as Uncle above says, you don't have to count calories. Nutritiously dense food will satisfy your appetite and you should be able to self regulate.

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