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Is there such thing as a perfect diet? Will it exist?..Ever?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 27, 2012 at 3:53 PM

I'm very interested in how food works towards humans. Emotionally, physically and mentally.

Food affects us in many different ways, the amount of times we eat, the way it looks, advertising, the use of hands or cutlery, the hand to mouth movements. It all affects the way in which we look at food different.

Surely in this day and age, we have the scientists, the health problems and technology to create a perfect diet?

We know what Fruit is, we know what it does to energy, we know what their properties are, we understand Sugar. But all fruit has a purpose, they have their own properties, why can't we use this knowledge to find out what we need to essentially become fully functioning humans?

Perhaps a question for those with more knowledge then I,or even for the scientists.

  • From a Paleo noob.

68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

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on August 09, 2012
at 10:05 PM

And perfect regulation of hormones. You would also need a perfect environment to live in, otherwise these efforts would be compromised. Lesson learned from this thread? Perfect doesn't exist.

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on August 09, 2012
at 09:53 PM

I thought I'd seen every diet but this is the first pH-a-tarian.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 09, 2012
at 08:11 PM

Best answer of the day right here.

68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

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on August 09, 2012
at 07:32 PM

Someone who just focuses on this, by itself, is doomed for failure. This is actually a mechanism the body does a very good job of regulating no matter what you feed it. Not that it doesn't matter, but it isn't one of the even top 50 things I'd consider when discussing a potential "perfect diet."

012337ad3c38a041d82b12ceaa8353a7

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on August 09, 2012
at 07:25 PM

What God gave you? You spelled evolution wrong ;)

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on August 09, 2012
at 06:40 PM

-1. Since fruit juces are acidic are you antifruit? Lettuce and potatoes are also acidic. You've pretty much left me with nothing to eat but Tums. Name a few of those alkaline natural and plant based foods and I'll vote you back up. By the way, the lutefisk that I eat is highly alkaline. Maybe everyone should eat that instead of oranges and green vegetables.

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on August 09, 2012
at 06:27 PM

OK, I'll rephrase and maybe it will be clearer. We don't NEED fat, or meat, or carbohydrates....why make a dismissive comment about fruit...your tone implies that you specifically dislike it for some reason...

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on July 01, 2012
at 11:07 PM

It is an orthorexic mind-trap to base our food choices purely on their medicinal values. I think you are going to end up enjoying your food less because unless it has a clear medicinal property you aren't going to value it. Good company and hunger are the best spices, you are an omnivore and can eat well with an amazing variety of foods, most of which we haven't even begun to map the benefits of. If you only stick to "perfect" foods you are going to either under eat, develop deficiencies, and be a pain in the butt to eat lunch with. I know because I've been there. Relax and eat real food.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on June 29, 2012
at 07:24 AM

It just occurred to me that you might really enjoy reading about teleology, since your question is essentially a teleological argument. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleology The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins might be a fun read for you as well because it addresses the limitations and potential fallacies based teleological assumptions that make it into biological science.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on June 29, 2012
at 07:05 AM

There is a pretty big, perhaps irreconcilable philosophical gap between "put on this planet for a reason" and scientific method. One assumes intelligent design, or at the very least subscribing to the idea of nutritionism and that we already know most of the ways nutrients can help us. We have almost no knowledge yet of the synergistic interactions between nutrients in food, just isolated nutrients and a few applications. The plants we eat are only looking out for their own interest, and sometimes there is a beneficial co-existence, but there are no magical foods to guarantee wellness.

565402d3891ae41527e78dc36e842933

(5)

on June 28, 2012
at 10:57 AM

I'm not so much fruit focused, just really interested in how fruit was put on this planet for a reason. Some fruit aids in digestion, some fruit has a anti-oxident effects and some will boost your immune system. Perhaps I (or scientists) could find the best in each category, in order to boost my general well-being.

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on June 27, 2012
at 11:16 PM

Can you show me where I said to avoid fruit? I must have missed that part while I was writing my comment.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on June 27, 2012
at 11:14 PM

...the one thing to remember if you are going to feast on fruit is that you are going to need to eat much more often, which if you have issues with insulin resistance, is not going help with energy or feeling well long term. You are also going to need to be quite active, or at least sweating a fair amount to keep your liver happy.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on June 27, 2012
at 11:11 PM

You seem fruit focused, are you fruitarian, or would like to be? There is some thought that fruit taken between or before meals adds extras beneficial enzymes and can aid in digestion. As far as how much, when, and what kinds, a good starting place would be to look at your ancestry. Berries and a small amount of tree fruit like apples and pears were probably all that was available to mine for a long ways back, so venturing out further to see what agrees and disagrees with me is a fun experiment. If your ancestors are from somewhere more tropical fruit might be your bestest friend...

565402d3891ae41527e78dc36e842933

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on June 27, 2012
at 10:26 PM

I probably am. But, it gives me, and all of you something to think about. You can't go a day without hearing "this food is good/bad for you" or "this food helps lose weight" so why can't we eat the right foods to stay as lean and energetic as possible.

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on June 27, 2012
at 08:19 PM

I think you're way overthinking this.

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(10611)

on June 27, 2012
at 08:15 PM

-1. Why would you avoid fruit? Paleos ate it and we're well adapted to eat it.

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on June 27, 2012
at 08:10 PM

Metabolism is a function of food AND activity. You can't construct a perfect diet apart from perfect activity.

565402d3891ae41527e78dc36e842933

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on June 27, 2012
at 04:40 PM

I understand your point. But I'm talking about it from a human physical point of view. A perfect diet in food terms would allow you to function at your best. Surely the point of food is to enjoy, but perhaps also to maintain a stable weight, not feel bloated, feel hungry for longer, to put on muscle, to improve the digestive system, to reshape the body?

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on June 27, 2012
at 04:37 PM

Did you a favor and removed the random, irrelevant MJ references you put in there...

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510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on August 09, 2012
at 07:53 PM

Perfect for what? As soon as you are trying to optimize on more than one thing, you cannot ever define perfect. There may be a perfect diet for a sprinter, a perfect diet for a long distance runner, a perfect diet to maximize longevity, a perfect diet to reduce an autoimmune condition, or any thing else you want to measure. But it is impossible to have a perfect diet that works on all (or even more than one) dimension. Granted lots of this is correlated, but there is a point where it diverges (see my post here about that: http://paleohacks.com/questions/140963/usain-bolts-diet/141195#141195) Only you can know what's important to you and how what you eat brings you towards or away from your goals.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 09, 2012
at 08:11 PM

Best answer of the day right here.

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68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

(5795)

on June 27, 2012
at 04:01 PM

Why stop at diet? Is there a perfect life? Is there a perfect human being? Is there a perfect template for a human being? The definition of perfect, in any application, is for whatever that is to be optimal. Optimal for humans is impossible to find. We can only go based on observation and even that is open for great interpretation. For each individual, the best we can really do is to be true to yourself and live life (this includes dietary choices) as best as possible. Once you start getting deeper, it's too big of a question for an individual to tackle.

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(10611)

on June 27, 2012
at 08:10 PM

Metabolism is a function of food AND activity. You can't construct a perfect diet apart from perfect activity.

565402d3891ae41527e78dc36e842933

(5)

on June 27, 2012
at 04:40 PM

I understand your point. But I'm talking about it from a human physical point of view. A perfect diet in food terms would allow you to function at your best. Surely the point of food is to enjoy, but perhaps also to maintain a stable weight, not feel bloated, feel hungry for longer, to put on muscle, to improve the digestive system, to reshape the body?

68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

(5795)

on August 09, 2012
at 10:05 PM

And perfect regulation of hormones. You would also need a perfect environment to live in, otherwise these efforts would be compromised. Lesson learned from this thread? Perfect doesn't exist.

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Ffff513ac686cd18c840ee12c79357ed

(1183)

on June 27, 2012
at 03:58 PM

Every person has the power to create their own perfect diet. It is one that makes you feel good, fuels your activities, is nutrient dense and you can maintain over the long term.

What makes up that diet; ingredients, quaintites and frequency is never going to be something scientists can invent or discover because it will differ for each person.

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on June 27, 2012
at 08:03 PM

Even if you found the perfect the diet, if you were emotionally unwell, you would still not achieve "perfect health". What we eat is only a slice of the bigger pie. Mmmmmmm pie......

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on June 27, 2012
at 07:56 PM

The more ill someone is, the more they might need what some might call a perfect diet. The cool thing is though, the healthier you are, the less perfection you need in your energy sources. So work on improving your health, particularly gut and liver health, and you won't have to worry as much about macro ratios, caloric load, etc.

We don't need perfection, we need resilience, that is the point of being an omnivore. Be it starchy tuber, fruit, fungus, nut, vegetable, or animal, provided there is something at all to eat that could be naturally sourced we should be able to survive and reproduce. The only problem is that there are a lot of chemicals and food-like substances on store shelves parading themselves as food that really have no history in the human diet and aren't recognized as food upon ingestion, and take us right back to having compromised health and needing that "perfect diet" even more. So, avoid anything packaged, do what you need to heal, and enjoy the relaxation of not having to worry so much.

1
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on June 27, 2012
at 11:18 PM

There are no perfect foods, but there are foods that are bad for anyone. Like rancid vegetable oils.

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99ac392257e444e014be6d4da6a900e4

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on June 27, 2012
at 08:21 PM

IMO, and it sucks, but genetics play the most important roll in how you look, feel, how long you live, and how healthy you are. I know people that don't exercise, drink alcohol, eat fast food everyday and still have a motor that doesn't stop. Diet and exercise simply improve what God gave you.

012337ad3c38a041d82b12ceaa8353a7

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on August 09, 2012
at 07:25 PM

What God gave you? You spelled evolution wrong ;)

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on June 27, 2012
at 07:37 PM

I wish there was a simple "one size fits all diet" for all folks. But genetic and lifestyle variability ensures that will never happen. The best we can likely do is come up with a general template, then tweak from there. I lean towards LC/Paleo as the best overall "baseline" template, but recognize that others feel better on higher carbs. But filtering diet through an evolutionary-lens (As opposed to financially motivated nutritional propaganda) certainly brings us much closer to what is true for all of us in a general sense, than does the government food-pyramid/My-Plate travesty.

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3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on June 27, 2012
at 04:17 PM

There isn't a "perfect" diet but GAPS comes pretty close.

You don't need to eat fruit to be healthy. You can go your entire life without touching a single piece of fruit and you'll be just fine.

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(10611)

on June 27, 2012
at 08:15 PM

-1. Why would you avoid fruit? Paleos ate it and we're well adapted to eat it.

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on June 27, 2012
at 11:16 PM

Can you show me where I said to avoid fruit? I must have missed that part while I was writing my comment.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on August 09, 2012
at 06:27 PM

OK, I'll rephrase and maybe it will be clearer. We don't NEED fat, or meat, or carbohydrates....why make a dismissive comment about fruit...your tone implies that you specifically dislike it for some reason...

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565402d3891ae41527e78dc36e842933

on June 27, 2012
at 10:40 PM

OK Guys, thanks for your answers so far... :) Gave me alot of thinking to do.

I suppose there is no such thing as a perfect diet, but there is a chance we can get something very close, is there not?

Can we not find out what are the right foods for keeping lean, losing weight or having as much energy as possible?

Maybe as well, the right way to eat them, in the right order?

There's hundreds of types of fruit out there, should we be eating as little and varied as we can, or would it be beneficial to eat 10 certain varieties.

Yes, alot of this is deep, but I'm interested, and maybe you guys are too? I think fruit was put on this planet as a purpose, for us to discover which is best.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on June 27, 2012
at 11:14 PM

...the one thing to remember if you are going to feast on fruit is that you are going to need to eat much more often, which if you have issues with insulin resistance, is not going help with energy or feeling well long term. You are also going to need to be quite active, or at least sweating a fair amount to keep your liver happy.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on June 27, 2012
at 11:11 PM

You seem fruit focused, are you fruitarian, or would like to be? There is some thought that fruit taken between or before meals adds extras beneficial enzymes and can aid in digestion. As far as how much, when, and what kinds, a good starting place would be to look at your ancestry. Berries and a small amount of tree fruit like apples and pears were probably all that was available to mine for a long ways back, so venturing out further to see what agrees and disagrees with me is a fun experiment. If your ancestors are from somewhere more tropical fruit might be your bestest friend...

565402d3891ae41527e78dc36e842933

(5)

on June 28, 2012
at 10:57 AM

I'm not so much fruit focused, just really interested in how fruit was put on this planet for a reason. Some fruit aids in digestion, some fruit has a anti-oxident effects and some will boost your immune system. Perhaps I (or scientists) could find the best in each category, in order to boost my general well-being.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on June 29, 2012
at 07:24 AM

It just occurred to me that you might really enjoy reading about teleology, since your question is essentially a teleological argument. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleology The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins might be a fun read for you as well because it addresses the limitations and potential fallacies based teleological assumptions that make it into biological science.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on June 29, 2012
at 07:05 AM

There is a pretty big, perhaps irreconcilable philosophical gap between "put on this planet for a reason" and scientific method. One assumes intelligent design, or at the very least subscribing to the idea of nutritionism and that we already know most of the ways nutrients can help us. We have almost no knowledge yet of the synergistic interactions between nutrients in food, just isolated nutrients and a few applications. The plants we eat are only looking out for their own interest, and sometimes there is a beneficial co-existence, but there are no magical foods to guarantee wellness.

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565402d3891ae41527e78dc36e842933

on June 27, 2012
at 04:27 PM

I agree, but with there being so many fruits in existence, can we not take the right ones, roughly in the right amount, with the right properties?

From waking up...

Should we perhaps... eat a chunk of a Pineapple, a few Grapes and Cranberry with some Green Tea in the morning to detox? Maybe the body needs a daily detox to function at its best.

Should we eat a Egg, Chicken, Cashews afterwards to ensure we have optimum efficiency against Hunger.

Then, do we finish on Cacoa Beans to elevate the mood, which gives you the start you need for the day?

Surely there is a way to calculate what food makes you feel more full, what's best for a detox and what's best to keep your blood pressure low? Collectively we should be able to create a close to perfect full functioning efficient body.

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(10611)

on June 27, 2012
at 08:19 PM

I think you're way overthinking this.

565402d3891ae41527e78dc36e842933

(5)

on June 27, 2012
at 10:26 PM

I probably am. But, it gives me, and all of you something to think about. You can't go a day without hearing "this food is good/bad for you" or "this food helps lose weight" so why can't we eat the right foods to stay as lean and energetic as possible.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on July 01, 2012
at 11:07 PM

It is an orthorexic mind-trap to base our food choices purely on their medicinal values. I think you are going to end up enjoying your food less because unless it has a clear medicinal property you aren't going to value it. Good company and hunger are the best spices, you are an omnivore and can eat well with an amazing variety of foods, most of which we haven't even begun to map the benefits of. If you only stick to "perfect" foods you are going to either under eat, develop deficiencies, and be a pain in the butt to eat lunch with. I know because I've been there. Relax and eat real food.

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B2c5861f0080d9c81930980ba2af8f0e

on August 09, 2012
at 05:53 PM

I think what people need to think about when eating food is the acidic and alkaline levels in each food. Humans need to stay at a certain ph level to avoid dis ease. The majority of foods that are being advertised nowadays are acidic foods e.g. dairy products, meat, fish, alcohol and all junk food. Natural and plant based foods are alkaline, eat as much as you can with a small amount of acidic foods.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on August 09, 2012
at 09:53 PM

I thought I'd seen every diet but this is the first pH-a-tarian.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on August 09, 2012
at 06:40 PM

-1. Since fruit juces are acidic are you antifruit? Lettuce and potatoes are also acidic. You've pretty much left me with nothing to eat but Tums. Name a few of those alkaline natural and plant based foods and I'll vote you back up. By the way, the lutefisk that I eat is highly alkaline. Maybe everyone should eat that instead of oranges and green vegetables.

68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

(5795)

on August 09, 2012
at 07:32 PM

Someone who just focuses on this, by itself, is doomed for failure. This is actually a mechanism the body does a very good job of regulating no matter what you feed it. Not that it doesn't matter, but it isn't one of the even top 50 things I'd consider when discussing a potential "perfect diet."

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