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Is the idea that "wolves eat the stomach contents of their prey first" another vegan myth?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 28, 2011 at 9:59 PM

From a vegan myth i got a new puzzle to solve. Its on vegan dogs. So far her dog she raised vegan since small is very vivid. Maybe overvivd and snap for a lot and also try to examine a lot new things lieyng everywhere.

Is there an alternative dog training for young dogs?

and my main question is is it true that wolves in the wild first eat the stomache content of the animals? Cause if they eat the stomache where the herbivore has all his grass, this is for a vegan the reason to feed the dog vegan.

Another reason to feed the dog vegan is the usually dog food is loaded with butcher wastes and added vitamins. Also normal dog food contains lots of plant food. So its ok to feed a plant dog food to the dog.

I know the best dog food is the BARF diet or similiar approaches.

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

If you want a good example of what dogs love, check out Greentripe.com products. The partially digested greens smell more like poop than grass, and are referred to as "doggy crack" by those of us Raw Feeders who feed tripe.

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on May 13, 2012
at 05:17 AM

If they learned to feed themselves, our governments might actually not be quite as mis-managed as they are, because we'd have more balanced brains & level hormones in power!

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on May 13, 2012
at 05:16 AM

^ I actually envisioned a dog in rigor-mortis clutching a soyrizo wrap with a frightened "don't take my wrap!" look on its face... LOL.

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on May 13, 2012
at 03:35 AM

Simone, do you feed green tripe? Poop eating can also be due to mineral issues.

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on May 13, 2012
at 02:53 AM

Yeah, vegan can easily still be paleo.. veggies and fruits anyone? Though I bet most vegans are grain crazed... ;)

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on May 12, 2012
at 11:17 PM

My dog eats kale stalks if I drop them on the floor. I never have to sweep, in fact, she eats everything! But 99% of her diet is raw, grassfed meat (including organ meat) I think that feeding a dog a vegan diet is ABUSE. And yep, she's disgusting and eats poop as well. Not cause she's B deficient, just because she's gross ;)

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on May 12, 2012
at 10:15 PM

Paleo is not antivegan.

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on May 12, 2012
at 10:12 PM

Agreed! But there are gradients even among commercial pet foods. The higher quality (not to say good) brands don't have grains or vegetable products in the first five or so ingredients because they know better. And there are a few brands that do a pretty acceptable job.

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on May 12, 2012
at 08:40 PM

+1 "there is no physiological, reasonable, nor ethical reason to feed carnivores an herbivorous diet." However, I would NEVER look to commercially produced pet food as an example of high quality. Pet Foods are a dumping ground for 'food' deemed unsuitable for human consumption, including things like feathers, diseased animals, and even wood (cellulose). Look to the Raw Feeders movement to get information on carnivorous pets (cats, ferrets, and dogs).

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on May 12, 2012
at 08:32 PM

They eat poop when their Vit Bs are deficient. Dogs need liver, too!

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on October 31, 2011
at 04:55 AM

Pharmacognosy -- animals using pharmaceutical botany...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 29, 2011
at 06:56 AM

Yes, the same as cats - eating grass to help with hair removal from intestines.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 29, 2011
at 06:55 AM

Vegan dog ? Now... that's really lame, scary and insane...

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on October 29, 2011
at 12:17 AM

My dog actually will not eat bones. BUT if I juice and make an omlette with the veg pulp - he will eat the SH$% out of that. What does that say? I dunno. Just don't feed your dog grains and soy.

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on October 28, 2011
at 11:41 PM

Me, either. And I think gov'ts should learn to feed themselves and stop being predatory thieves. ;)

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on October 28, 2011
at 11:06 PM

Well, you know who to give the stomachs to should you ever find yourself cleaning a fish or dressing a deer.

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on October 28, 2011
at 10:57 PM

"The soyrizo wrap the prey was clutching in it's paws?" LOL!

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on October 29, 2011
at 04:14 AM

Wolves may occasionally eat the rumen. Whether it is first or last doesn't matter. If they're eating the partially digested/fermented plant material it is to obtain nutrients they would be unable to get by eating the plant material directly.

Typically the alphas eat first and usually it's liver and heart. The marrow may also be targeted before the muscle meat. But even if the wolves ate the stomach contents and ate it first, they still eat a lot of meat, up to 20 pounds in one sitting.

The logic of feeding a dog a vegan diet because wolves eat some plant origin food while ignoring that they still eat mostly meat is assinine. I honestly don't know why we get pulled into these kinds of discussions, they are only the result of a person trying to rationalize their emotional response to eating meat with logic and reason in a very illogical and unreasonable way.

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on October 28, 2011
at 10:31 PM

Even if they do eat the stomach contents first, what do they eat second? The soyrizo wrap the prey was clutching in it's paws? Low quality dog food isn't a reason to feed a dog vegan food, it's a reason to feed it, you know, quality food.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on October 28, 2011
at 10:57 PM

"The soyrizo wrap the prey was clutching in it's paws?" LOL!

6ec8d30130a6fb274871314533b5536b

(581)

on May 13, 2012
at 05:16 AM

^ I actually envisioned a dog in rigor-mortis clutching a soyrizo wrap with a frightened "don't take my wrap!" look on its face... LOL.

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on October 28, 2011
at 10:49 PM

There should be a law against feeding cats or dogs vegan diets. And children.

(And I'm pro small government - I don't like having laws for the sake of them...).

0a2dd50f2d3951bf3fb83fc4638c9512

(1960)

on October 28, 2011
at 11:41 PM

Me, either. And I think gov'ts should learn to feed themselves and stop being predatory thieves. ;)

6ec8d30130a6fb274871314533b5536b

(581)

on May 13, 2012
at 05:17 AM

If they learned to feed themselves, our governments might actually not be quite as mis-managed as they are, because we'd have more balanced brains & level hormones in power!

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75a8641a58b5001142aa2ee44c928091

on May 12, 2012
at 08:11 PM

Taken from http://rawfed.com/myths/stomachcontents.html

Wolves do NOT eat the stomach contents of their prey. Only if the prey is small enough (like the size of a rabbit) will they eat the stomach contents, which just happen to get consumed along with the entire animal. Otherwise, wolves will shake out the stomach contents of their large herbivorous prey before sometimes eating the stomach wall. The following quotations are taken from L. David Mech's 2003 book Wolves: Behavior, Ecology, and Conservation. Mech (and the others who contributed to this book) is considered the world's leading wolf biologist, and this book is a compilation of 350 collective years of research, experiments, and careful field observations. These quotes are taken from chapter 4, The Wolf as a Carnivore. "Wolves usually tear into the body cavity of large prey and...consume the larger internal organs, such as lungs, heart, and liver. The large rumen [, which is one of the main stomach chambers in large ruminant herbivores,]...is usually punctured during removal and its contents spilled. The vegetation in the intestinal tract is of no interest to the wolves, but the stomach lining and intestinal wall are consumed, and their contents further strewn about the kill site." (pg.123, emphasis added)

"To grow and maintain their own bodies, wolves need to ingest all the major parts of their herbivorous prey, except the plants in the digestive system." (pg.124, emphasis added).

This next quote can be found on the Hunting and Meals page at Kerwood Wildlife Education Center. "The wolf's diet consists mostly of muscle meat and fatty tissue from various animals. Heart, lung, liver, and other internal organs are eaten. Bones are crushed to get at the marrow, and bone fragments are eaten as well. Even hair and skin are sometimes consumed. The only part consistently ignored is the stomach and its contents. Although some vegetable matter is taken separately, particularly berries, Canis lupus doesn't seem to digest them very well."

So this is taken from wolf experts.

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

If you want a good example of what dogs love, check out Greentripe.com products. The partially digested greens smell more like poop than grass, and are referred to as "doggy crack" by those of us Raw Feeders who feed tripe.

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on October 28, 2011
at 10:44 PM

Dogs eat poop, whadda they know?

They eat grass when they're constipated. They like a little roughage now and then. Moose eat lilypads and waterfoil and stuff, and browse tree buds and cedar fonds, etc. Sounds like good roughage to me.

Even so, I doubt wolves prefer the belly contents very often. They probably like tripe, so the stomach meat gets favored for that reason.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 29, 2011
at 06:56 AM

Yes, the same as cats - eating grass to help with hair removal from intestines.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 31, 2011
at 04:55 AM

Pharmacognosy -- animals using pharmaceutical botany...

Medium avatar

(4878)

on May 12, 2012
at 08:32 PM

They eat poop when their Vit Bs are deficient. Dogs need liver, too!

Medium avatar

(4878)

on May 13, 2012
at 03:35 AM

Simone, do you feed green tripe? Poop eating can also be due to mineral issues.

1e8b0544791fa695c718834e7a040642

(388)

on May 12, 2012
at 11:17 PM

My dog eats kale stalks if I drop them on the floor. I never have to sweep, in fact, she eats everything! But 99% of her diet is raw, grassfed meat (including organ meat) I think that feeding a dog a vegan diet is ABUSE. And yep, she's disgusting and eats poop as well. Not cause she's B deficient, just because she's gross ;)

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8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

on May 12, 2012
at 08:27 PM

Wolves and other mammalian carnivores don't eat the stomach because the food is poorly digested at that point, and furthermore is highly acidic (thus dangerous for the pharynx/exophagus). What isn't mentioned in these responses is the bowel. My understanding is that the bowel is consumed somewhat universally among mammalian carnivores because it contains plant-based breakdown products carnivores don't have the enzymes to break down themselves, and cannot get entirely from meat.

Carnivores have digestive tracts too short to properly break down most plant foods, which is the reason for consuming offal (including bowel). Stomach makes no evolutionary sense to eat, because its contents have only minimally been digested, and would likely still cause gastrointestinal upset in the short carnivorous digestive tract.

But there is no physiological, reasonable, nor ethical reason to feed carnivores an herbivorous diet. It is in fact pathological, irrational, and unethical to do so. For commercial evidence of the physiologic facts, look at high-quality dog/cat foods: increased animal content and decreased vegetable (especially grain) content.

8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

(1867)

on May 12, 2012
at 10:12 PM

Agreed! But there are gradients even among commercial pet foods. The higher quality (not to say good) brands don't have grains or vegetable products in the first five or so ingredients because they know better. And there are a few brands that do a pretty acceptable job.

Medium avatar

(4878)

on May 12, 2012
at 08:40 PM

+1 "there is no physiological, reasonable, nor ethical reason to feed carnivores an herbivorous diet." However, I would NEVER look to commercially produced pet food as an example of high quality. Pet Foods are a dumping ground for 'food' deemed unsuitable for human consumption, including things like feathers, diseased animals, and even wood (cellulose). Look to the Raw Feeders movement to get information on carnivorous pets (cats, ferrets, and dogs).

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