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hack my diet, please!

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 11, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Here we go.

Coffee, whole full fat milk, heavy cream, cheddar cheese, butter, lard, eggs, fatty cuts of pork,,red wine, hot sauce, beer, some nuts, fish oil and some onions with my omelettes.

I don't measure anything I eat till I'm full and I eat lots of all of these items.

I'm perfectly happy living on just this and this forms the base of my diet for weeks at a time. Sure there are other things here and there but this is the majority - my staples.

I feel great, sleep well, my numbers in the gym are improving.. I'm 5'9" 180lbs 31years old

When others see how I eat though, they freak out. As much as I believe in Paleo, the dogma is always nagging at me and I've been entrenched in it my whole life that I guess it's hard to break.

My main question is. Do any of you have a diet similar to mine? How do you feel? How long have you been eating this way? Does it make your friends' and family's jaws drop as well?

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

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on August 12, 2012
at 03:22 PM

Most people do little exercise so BMI is fine. A very few people leave their chairs and more (over 50% of UK and US people do no exercise and aer overweight and BMI is a good measurement of whether they are overweight or not but fat people like to con themselves into thinking a huge BMI is fine as they are all muscular which they virtually never aer). For most of us BMI is pretty good at saying are you over weight or not. So for UK average height 65 inches 112 pounds to 140 or a bit more is healthy and looks fine.

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

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on August 12, 2012
at 08:53 AM

Trade beer for fruit!? blasphemy

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on August 12, 2012
at 03:04 AM

One things from your answer: you said "Should never exceed 150 g in a day, 100 if you're trying to lose weight". I highly disagree, some people do horribly on such a carb intake, especially active people. You made a really detailed answer with a lot of good advice, that one just struck me as too unflexable.

E2996561988a93959f61d7f00470c000

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on August 11, 2012
at 11:21 PM

Oh and my diet as you can tell is mostly ketogenic - most days.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on August 11, 2012
at 10:27 PM

Also: http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/03/anyone-doing-paleo-without-liver-bones.html

45ace03a0eff1219943d746cfb1c4197

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on August 11, 2012
at 10:23 PM

If you're a bit worried about carbohydrates, you may want to rethink the beer. A bit of fruit would give you a lot more nutrients with fewer carbs. I'm not saying load up on fruit.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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at 10:22 PM

I'll add potassium. And maybe magnesium and manganese. Also, a lot of non-necessary but still potentially beneficial phytochemicals if you're into that.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 11, 2012
at 10:18 PM

I am not most all paleo peeps.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:37 PM

Right! Vitamin C. I thought most all you Paleo peeps don't think fiber is important? Assuming that's what you mean by bulk/roughage.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:36 PM

No way. lol. Actually there is such a think as too much alcohol, in any form. I was serious though about stopping beer. I don't know how much you drink or if its a problem for you but I drink 6-8 ozs of REd wine most night, not all but most. I personally can't drink more than half a bottle (not that I would want to, just saying).

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:30 PM

I've got no problem doing that! Is there such a thing as too much red wine?:)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:22 PM

vitamin C. bulk/roughage.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:16 PM

lol. Well we are talking WHOLE fruit. Still, since its the only colored thing you eat, Im glad! How about you give up all the beer for Red Wine :)

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:13 PM

anti-oxidants for one. Also, minerals.

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:10 PM

thanks for answering!

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:08 PM

word. I'm obese according to BMI

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

(152)

on August 11, 2012
at 09:03 PM

red wine's fruit, right?:)

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on August 11, 2012
at 09:02 PM

Also, you can order labs yourself, online, without going to the doctor. Self-pay though. If you have insurance and want to use it then you will need a doc.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:01 PM

Ok. Yeah, best to stick with veggies then if the fruit will start you down the path.... lol spinach, Kale, chard would all be great with you pork and butter! Yummy. Potatoes too.

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

(152)

on August 11, 2012
at 09:01 PM

What's wrong with pork?

E45c5a1c8df73da5e03bb6e7e90f8420

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:00 PM

Agree- BMI alone is not a accurate indicator of overall health.

E45c5a1c8df73da5e03bb6e7e90f8420

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:00 PM

Pork is really one of the least desirable meats to be eating...confused by your diet as it does not seem very Paleo- what is your question- how long can I go not eating fruits/veggies and feel fine??? You definitely need vegetables (and fruits if you can tolerate them)- they are abundant in fiber and rich in antioxidants- it is never a good idea to eat so low-fiber when you are consuming so much meat. I'd add veggies and vary the meat- and hopefully it is pasture-raised to have a more healthful, well-rounded diet.

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:59 PM

Aye sir. Consider it done.

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:58 PM

I eat maybe one piece of fruit a month. I'm a big sugar/carb addict and I start putting on weight almost immediately when I begin to eat it. As to the veggies. I'm not really sure why I don't eat that many. I guess I could throw some spinach in my omelettes. That's not a bad idea.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:49 PM

how about your edit your Q to include these things... just saying. It will make the answers more meaningful.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:49 PM

Really? You really think that from a BMI alone, you can know if a person is healthy? I do not believe that at all.

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:39 PM

Beer's actually the least of my worries. It's mainly the uber-high levels of fat that I'm eating.

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:37 PM

Yeah I'm not too grokesque. Pork's cheaper, fattier. That's the main reason. I do get beef every now and again.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:36 PM

dogma or not, that does not seem healthy.

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:36 PM

I do use onions pretty often in my omelettes, forgot to mention that. And yeah I eat some almonds pretty frequently too.

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:32 PM

I'm not sure if you are saying you have nagging doubts about eating Paleo, or you have nagging doubts because your diet deviates from Paleo. Beer is most def NOT paleo! Could you at least switch to gluten-free? Also, some vegs would be nice - esp the green and orange ones.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:11 PM

omega 3s? fruit/starch? plant roughage? vitamin C, magnesium, vitamin K, etc. Why are you eating this way?

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:10 PM

yeah, forgot about fish oil. about 4g a day

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:10 PM

and carbohydrates from fruit/or starch.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:09 PM

and omega 3 from fish.

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:08 PM

I might recommend some vegetables.

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5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:27 PM

Where's the beef?

And other good foods? Doesn't actally look like what Grok ate.

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

(152)

on August 11, 2012
at 09:01 PM

What's wrong with pork?

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

(152)

on August 11, 2012
at 08:37 PM

Yeah I'm not too grokesque. Pork's cheaper, fattier. That's the main reason. I do get beef every now and again.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on August 11, 2012
at 09:16 PM

lol. Well we are talking WHOLE fruit. Still, since its the only colored thing you eat, Im glad! How about you give up all the beer for Red Wine :)

E45c5a1c8df73da5e03bb6e7e90f8420

(644)

on August 11, 2012
at 09:00 PM

Pork is really one of the least desirable meats to be eating...confused by your diet as it does not seem very Paleo- what is your question- how long can I go not eating fruits/veggies and feel fine??? You definitely need vegetables (and fruits if you can tolerate them)- they are abundant in fiber and rich in antioxidants- it is never a good idea to eat so low-fiber when you are consuming so much meat. I'd add veggies and vary the meat- and hopefully it is pasture-raised to have a more healthful, well-rounded diet.

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

(152)

on August 11, 2012
at 09:30 PM

I've got no problem doing that! Is there such a thing as too much red wine?:)

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on August 11, 2012
at 09:36 PM

No way. lol. Actually there is such a think as too much alcohol, in any form. I was serious though about stopping beer. I don't know how much you drink or if its a problem for you but I drink 6-8 ozs of REd wine most night, not all but most. I personally can't drink more than half a bottle (not that I would want to, just saying).

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

(152)

on August 11, 2012
at 09:03 PM

red wine's fruit, right?:)

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4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

on August 11, 2012
at 08:48 PM

So why not just have some lab work done? You should be doing this yearly anyway - imo and it would help you with your "worries".

Why are you eating no veggies or fruit at all? Just curious is all.

45ace03a0eff1219943d746cfb1c4197

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on August 11, 2012
at 10:23 PM

If you're a bit worried about carbohydrates, you may want to rethink the beer. A bit of fruit would give you a lot more nutrients with fewer carbs. I'm not saying load up on fruit.

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

(152)

on August 11, 2012
at 08:58 PM

I eat maybe one piece of fruit a month. I'm a big sugar/carb addict and I start putting on weight almost immediately when I begin to eat it. As to the veggies. I'm not really sure why I don't eat that many. I guess I could throw some spinach in my omelettes. That's not a bad idea.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on August 11, 2012
at 09:02 PM

Also, you can order labs yourself, online, without going to the doctor. Self-pay though. If you have insurance and want to use it then you will need a doc.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on August 11, 2012
at 09:01 PM

Ok. Yeah, best to stick with veggies then if the fruit will start you down the path.... lol spinach, Kale, chard would all be great with you pork and butter! Yummy. Potatoes too.

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

(152)

on August 12, 2012
at 08:53 AM

Trade beer for fruit!? blasphemy

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F9638b939a6f85d67f60065677193cad

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:19 PM

My diet isn't quite as vegetable-free as yours, but sometimes I think about it and kind of freak out a little bit. A typical day is coffee, cream or butter, offal or eggs, fish, chicken or more fish, and finally a little vegetables and maybe some sweet potatoes.

To answer your questions, I feel great. Better than I ever have. I've been eating this way a year. It does make some people's jaws drop but fortunately people rarely ask me about it. Or when they do, they ask if I'm a vegetarian to which I respond no I'm the opposite: I eat mostly meat.

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:10 PM

thanks for answering!

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E2996561988a93959f61d7f00470c000

on August 11, 2012
at 11:19 PM

Joey,

Here's my hacking thoughts.

Your Diet Analysis

Coffee, whole full fat milk, heavy cream, cheddar cheese, butter, lard, eggs, fatty cuts of pork,,red wine, hot sauce, beer, some nuts, fish oil and some onions with my omelettes.

Keep

Coffee you can keep though I've discovered there's a better form that boosts brain performance (you can contact me if you want more details).

Fatty cuts of pork - maybe though mostly keep if you other grass fed versions are too expensive. You're choosing the best of what you can get right now. Your challenge here is the type of saturated fat when mixed with grains & inflammation is bad - if you're avoiding grains you'll live even if it's not perfect. The second challenge is your omega 6 compared to your omega 3 from intake. I'd recommend 4500 mg of omega 3 - so your omega 6 should not be more than 2-3 times that amount.

Red wine - mostly keep though watch your total carbohydrate intake. Should never exceed 150 g in a day, 100 if you're trying to lose weight.

Onions - keeper - might want to add finely chopped garlic to it.

Fish oil - Keep however I'd recommend 4500 mg omega-3 DHA/EPA - roughly 6-7 caps/day (Carlson's omega 3 gems). You may find Carlson's Omega-3 Gems to give you large doses that are focused on these rather than general fish oil. If you're able to afford it, try out Rx Balance Krill Plex krill oil for omega 3 for 2 caps/day (it's roughly eqv to regular fish oil in smaller amounts)

Maybe

Omelettes/Eggs - If you have no allergies to it sure keep it. Go for olive oil/macadamia oil frying on iron skillets ideally.

Milk - if you're not allergic to it fine sort of except it does have sugar and research has shown that it's known to spike insulin and raise blood sugar as well as any potato - which is something you'd only want post work out. Spiking insulin is one of the very things paleolithic eating seeks to avoid. If you keep it, keep your total sugar intake to less than 15 grams (likely only one cup).

Cheese - tends to be allergenic though if you're not you could keep it. I personally have always had reduced brain function after a few days of eating it - if you're feeling mentally slow you probably have problems using it. If possible eat raw milk cheeses - if you can't well so be it.

Heavy Cream - depends on allergy level to it. Can keep, make sure it's very low carb or sugarless.

Butter - depends on your allergies. I personally keep it because it provides an excellent source of fat and if you're not eating grains or inflaming yourself in other ways heart disease is the least of your worries. Find grass fed if you can though it's very hard - that's where the good saturated fat is - in the wild sources.

Lard - mostly keep as a source of fat. Similar story to butter.

Eggs - maybe keep - depends on allergy level again.

Hot Sauce - maybe. It's been known to damage the stomach lining in large amounts. A little should be fine. Avoid gluten contaminated ones if possible (i.e. has wheat, corn, other grains in mixture)

Some Nuts - Challenge here are anti-nutrients. Never more than a handful in a day. Over the long term will interfere with magnesium, iron, zinc and calcium uptake in body. I generally recommend avoiding all nuts. They can also be allergenic. If you're not allergic then fine just keep in mind the anti-nutrients.

Drop

Beer - You should drop the wheat, barley, rye and other grain beers if you want to avoid the leaky gut and gut damaging proteins that the paleo path talks about. Switch to sake (rice), vodka (potato) and probably no more than once per week for the rice alternatives. Otherwise drop beer if you're serious about preventing long term disease. Mind you the challenge here is controlling carbohydrate level as well with this.

What You Still Should Add (Whether You Do is Your Choice)

I did pretty much something similar to your diet for several months while experimenting with Paleo early on.

It's equivalent to Atkins (except you had beer and maybe nuts).

After going on so much lean protein and fat I eventually ran into what appeared to be protein toxicity and acidity.

You should definitely increase your vegetables to at least 8 servings per day to balance the acidity of your current diet.

High acidity will leach calcium from your bones if you have no alkaline base from vegetables to prevent that (among other impacts of high acid).

I'd probably up your vegetables like kale, collards and broccoli for calcium (which would replace your need for milk completely - it's worked for me and many others).

You'd also benefit from increased potassium levels that would help your nervous system, brain function among the other standard benefits of veggies.

If you're doing lettuce salads stick with organic otherwise the other veggies above can be non-organic to avoid pesticide inflammation.

My Story

To give you some context from where I'm coming from, I've been a vegetarian for 2-4 years, slow carb guy 1 year and Paleo full out hard core (autoimmune protocol) over a year.

I use bodyweight training, practice martial arts for 7 years, have reached and kept 14% body fat.

Also a body hacker without overdoing it, holistic nutritionist and coach.

Life Changing Experience: Going Paleo saved me from becoming a full blown type 2 diabetic - pretty damned close - was on the edge.

When I Tell Others...

Frankly I tell them that I either eat a cave man diet or mostly meat or that I'm paleo.

Most are amazed, some call me ridiculous, others don't want to believe.

When I tell them I haven't eaten any grain or beans in over a year they are shocked and don't believe they could ever do it (grains are addictive, affecting similar systems like opium does).

Even my parents refuse to acknowledge the results and will find any reason to deny its effects on me (psychologically speaking: rationalization).

Most people just default to the flawed calories in/calories out and write me off on eating little and genetics.

Note: An old high school friend who went Paleo for 30 days found it hard because the diet does end up isolating you socially from others who eat non-Paleo and if you're a social creature then it is very difficult to stay Paleo in such an environment.

Clients and friends that I help however who are already experiencing overweight (insulin failure in progress), blood sugar and irritable bowel syndrome are generally more receptive though still resistant.

If you need to reach me you can find me on http://www.twitter.com/atlasnutrition and http://www.facebook.com/AtlasHealthNutrition.

Have fun hacking :) Sunny

E2996561988a93959f61d7f00470c000

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on August 11, 2012
at 11:21 PM

Oh and my diet as you can tell is mostly ketogenic - most days.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on August 12, 2012
at 03:04 AM

One things from your answer: you said "Should never exceed 150 g in a day, 100 if you're trying to lose weight". I highly disagree, some people do horribly on such a carb intake, especially active people. You made a really detailed answer with a lot of good advice, that one just struck me as too unflexable.

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46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:05 PM

What's the big whoop about veggies?? What's in them that I can't get from animal products?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 11, 2012
at 10:18 PM

I am not most all paleo peeps.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:13 PM

anti-oxidants for one. Also, minerals.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on August 11, 2012
at 10:22 PM

I'll add potassium. And maybe magnesium and manganese. Also, a lot of non-necessary but still potentially beneficial phytochemicals if you're into that.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on August 11, 2012
at 10:27 PM

Also: http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/03/anyone-doing-paleo-without-liver-bones.html

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:37 PM

Right! Vitamin C. I thought most all you Paleo peeps don't think fiber is important? Assuming that's what you mean by bulk/roughage.

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:22 PM

vitamin C. bulk/roughage.

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on August 12, 2012
at 04:58 AM

What kind of hacking were you wanting? How to make it Paleo? What to add? What to get rid of? Did you want results? I feel like your question needs a revamping.

Do I eat like you, no... The only dairy I consume is butter and cream in coffee, no grains, no legumes, limited night shades, and I drink wine. I feel great the way I eat, and no one else's jaw drops..

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6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

on August 11, 2012
at 08:44 PM

Your eggs and pork are fine. Give up the rest. Add in veg and some fruit. (I am not a dairy lover and cheese etc is all a fairly processed food).

Is your BMI about 19/20 - that tends to mean people are healthy.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:49 PM

Really? You really think that from a BMI alone, you can know if a person is healthy? I do not believe that at all.

E45c5a1c8df73da5e03bb6e7e90f8420

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:00 PM

Agree- BMI alone is not a accurate indicator of overall health.

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

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on August 11, 2012
at 09:08 PM

word. I'm obese according to BMI

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

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on August 12, 2012
at 03:22 PM

Most people do little exercise so BMI is fine. A very few people leave their chairs and more (over 50% of UK and US people do no exercise and aer overweight and BMI is a good measurement of whether they are overweight or not but fat people like to con themselves into thinking a huge BMI is fine as they are all muscular which they virtually never aer). For most of us BMI is pretty good at saying are you over weight or not. So for UK average height 65 inches 112 pounds to 140 or a bit more is healthy and looks fine.

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:27 PM

My diet's not exactly like that... I tend to eat more fruits and veggies. But still a lot of the other thigns you mentioned (although maybe swap beer with wine). I would be worried about the lack of vegetables. The same way I worry about a vegan's lack of meat or animal products. However, I still think your diet is better than a vegan's. But... vegetables? Nuts? Even just a tiny bit of them? Like maybe mushrooms or onions with your meat or something like that seems healthier to me.

I can't seem to eat that way without feeling tired all the time. I know people are different though. I wouldn't go just by how you feel though...sometimes people switch to a vegan lifestyle and they feel great too. Maybe blood work and other results from medical tests could say more? Um...I guess I can't really answer the rest of your questions. I see nothing wrong with mostly meat diets... as long as there are bits of veggies or fruit or something in there as well.

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:59 PM

Aye sir. Consider it done.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:49 PM

how about your edit your Q to include these things... just saying. It will make the answers more meaningful.

46a50abafc820cfab9e91ada8b26148a

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on August 11, 2012
at 08:36 PM

I do use onions pretty often in my omelettes, forgot to mention that. And yeah I eat some almonds pretty frequently too.

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