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Hack Dr Oz's "prehistoric" diet

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created October 28, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Well, the video will likely be available later, but Dr Oz has his "prehistoric" diet up on his website. Some of his diet "highlights" include:

  • 10% of calories from protein, with beans a great source
  • calcium from tofu or soy milk
  • fat from seeds and nuts
  • carbs from fruits, veggies, and whole grains

So, what do you think: good, bad, or indifferent?

Okay, dumb question, no one here is going to think it's good. Me, I suppose it's a bit of a mixed bag (it's nice to see any emphasis on real food over processed) and perhaps there's a bit of "any media is good media" re getting the word out.

Update, 10/31: The video is now available.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 11, 2012
at 09:17 PM

Let me guess, prehistoric exercise consists of marathon elliptical sessions and endless sets of ab crunches?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 11, 2012
at 08:56 PM

The ultimate skinny-fat recipe! Let me guess, "prehistoric exercise" is marathon elliptical sessions?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 11, 2012
at 08:47 PM

The penultimate skinny-fat recipe! Let me guess, "prehistoric exercise" is marathon elliptical sessions?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 11, 2012
at 08:46 PM

The ultimate recipe for skinny-fat. Let me guess, prehistoric exercise is marathon elliptical sessions?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 11, 2012
at 08:45 PM

LMFAO .

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on November 01, 2011
at 11:04 AM

It's underneath the related content section on the article page.

5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546

(1781)

on November 01, 2011
at 05:28 AM

Where is the comments section? I can't find it.

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(10601)

on October 31, 2011
at 06:02 PM

And the book will outsell anything Cordain has written 10:1.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on October 31, 2011
at 02:45 PM

I just watched the video. Yee gads. It's not even thinly veiled ... this IS a vegan diet (and the 48hrs was a raw vegan diet). I didn't expect much, but this was worse than I expected.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 31, 2011
at 06:25 AM

But Tom, you are forgetting the ancient stone tofu presses they have been finding in newly-discovered caves.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 31, 2011
at 06:23 AM

+1...doesn't look like a happy marriage to me either.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on October 31, 2011
at 02:54 AM

There is none, so that means more for us!

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 30, 2011
at 03:08 PM

he has said that most of what he learned about nutrition is from his wife. She is a vegetarian.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on October 30, 2011
at 02:36 PM

I think we can equalize dairy and soy, at least on an individual basis. It something that one must personally explore. More and more, paleo seems like simply a set of guidelines that help one identify one's optimal diet. If that includes soy, dairy, nuts, or even *gasp!* gluten, so be it.

F3583667d653163c121640a015ffa93a

(784)

on October 30, 2011
at 12:04 PM

Yeah, you puke up breakfast . . .

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 30, 2011
at 11:52 AM

Can we equalize dairy with soy actually ? Doesn't sound right... although I see why are you saying that..

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 30, 2011
at 08:51 AM

YOU ARE SO FUNNY!!!!!!! GMO is not dietary prehistoric.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 30, 2011
at 08:49 AM

Fantastic insights. Thank you for the commentary. You are actually (sorta) wrong *haaa!*. Monsanto and Big Pharma are one as of 1999. Merger between Monsanto and Upjohn&Pharmacia occurred 1999 then Pfizer acquired Pharmacia in 2002. Oz, Big Agra, USDA, Big Pharma -- they are all sleeping buddies. http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/20/business/monsanto-and-pharmacia-to-join-creating-a-pharmaceutical-giant.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer

499f188c87c6980742b9ba98caa6f563

(683)

on October 30, 2011
at 12:44 AM

The tin man did use an oil can -- let's hope it was fish oil!

1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

(3789)

on October 29, 2011
at 11:51 PM

Some of the first paleo writers, such as Cordain and DeVaney, emphasized avoiding saturated fat as well. Even Robb Wolf talks "lean meats" much of the time. That's trended over time toward lipophilia.

1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

(3789)

on October 29, 2011
at 11:48 PM

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." --Robert Heinlein

1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

(3789)

on October 29, 2011
at 11:47 PM

I think it's certainly better than an industrial Western diet. We'd all agree that it is far from optimal. Any benefits are likely due to accidentally cutting out garbage, not by adding anything actually nutritious.

1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

(3789)

on October 29, 2011
at 11:45 PM

The Oz diet is claimed to be pre-historic, not pre-agriculture. By that measure, it is not impossible that tofu is pre-historic. Not that the Oz diet isn't crap, mind you.

1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

(3789)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:36 PM

Dingbat, yes. Naive, no. He knows where the money comes from.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:35 PM

@fed, its scary how many people think Dr. Guy or Dr. Jam are gods of health, too.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:33 PM

Dr. Oz is a nice guy and is entertaining, and he offers hope to others, that is severely lacking elsewhere.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:28 PM

then again, tin people in the old days still added in lots of fat.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:27 PM

maybe great minds think alike. One of my comments re: Dr. Oz was alarmingly similar to one Gary Taubes made months later. I am sure we both drank from the same well of humor and irony, and that he didn't intend to copy my work.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:25 PM

Seaburger, yes, this will be quite the winning strategy.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:22 PM

the animal fat is eliminated as a nod to the cardiologists who noticed that a small minority of people have problems with it, ignoring the vast majority of people who just get fat and diabetic off their recommendations. As long as we can continue to emphasize willpower and commitment as solutions for fat people instead of real solutions, the problem will continue.

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on October 29, 2011
at 03:46 PM

Thanks Futureboy! Good looking out.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on October 29, 2011
at 03:23 PM

Yes, the paleo crowd is really representing!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 29, 2011
at 02:06 PM

it's just bad interpretation. Our ancestors did eat a plant-based diet, back when their brains were quite small.

Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

(12540)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:35 PM

Actually "Pre-historic" means "before written history" -- so most of the Neolithic period (which would include grains and cultivars like soy) is included as well -- which actually would include tofu (fermented soy bean curd), which was developed in China some time prior to written history there.) The thing that is telling here is that he used the term "prehistoric" rather than "Paleolithic" to try to confuse the masses, who won't know the difference. And THIS, children, is how one corrupts a concept to make a profit.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on October 29, 2011
at 11:32 AM

The useful animal fat in the paleolithic wasn't muscle fat that didn't exist ... it was the fat in the organs and bone marrow.

89e238284ccb95b439edcff9e123671e

(10299)

on October 29, 2011
at 08:59 AM

Since I don't twitter, I don't really care, and The Quilt is free to use my line. I've learned from him and his blog, and I am grateful for his input in the paleo community. Dr. K, Jack, no problem! ;)

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 29, 2011
at 05:59 AM

He did say "caveman" a few times, but yes you are correct for the most part.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 05:56 AM

the vegan's data

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 29, 2011
at 05:49 AM

Data for what? Beyondveg has tons of references. I assume most of the people work in academia like I do, which gives them access to papers.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 05:46 AM

where do they get their data for this?

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(5639)

on October 29, 2011
at 05:45 AM

http://paleohacks.com/questions/73093/have-you-seen-the-npr-org-article-trashing-us/73413#73413

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 05:44 AM

Oh heavens! I read that some of Dr. Oz viewers can actually read, and sometimes they go on this internet thing and read articles and stuff like that. And here all this time I thought Dr. Oz locked them all in the truth tube between episodes and fed them blueberries.

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on October 29, 2011
at 05:17 AM

“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.” --H. L. Mencken

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:26 AM

I think we can all agree that some grains were eaten prior to agriculture, of course the role that they played in the vast majority of our evolution isn't so clear. They appear to be starvation foods at best. Nobody but the most orthodox paleos say that you can never eat any grains on the paleo diet, just that they aren't to be seen as good food because there was no real selection pressure to grains prior to agriculture. Natural selection is everything, time is only a crude marker.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on October 29, 2011
at 02:48 AM

Many of us have seen this coming, but it's certainly worthwhile to spell it out.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on October 29, 2011
at 02:45 AM

Seaburgers: That's for sure. Everyone on PH needs to fill his post with comments telling him what a fool and a shill he is.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on October 29, 2011
at 02:42 AM

Many prehistoric people lived past the age of 35.

2b2c2e4aa87e9aa4c99cae48e980f70d

(1059)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:11 AM

My thought exaxtly. Oz knows what the paleo diet entails as he had lots of back and forth with Oz and a member of MDA was approached by them about participation on a show.

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(19479)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:04 AM

I would imagine that the Wizard knows what he's doing. Paleo is getting popular and countermands his position. This is a deliberate move on Oz's part.

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(19479)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:00 AM

In that case, carry on.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:52 AM

plus one JS.....

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:52 AM

JS is spot on......we are closing in on a tipping point.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:51 AM

Pieter D. Just outstanding.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:51 AM

it was an awesome comment.

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 11:49 PM

This and the fact that the paleo diet is not fungible :)

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 11:47 PM

Wait, MY comment or Pieter D's? If it is mine quote that has been lifted then I must paraphrase Walter Sobchak and declare that "Quilty, this is not 'Nam. This is PaleoHacks. There are rules."

D72e9d21977363ea1850fa00555f151a

(891)

on October 28, 2011
at 10:31 PM

I think I caught a glimpse of his show once while visiting a friend. Other than that, I don't own a TV.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:55 PM

it's all about money/power and control/leverage. besides, the term "paleo" is certainly open to cartoonish interpretation.

D5096ff5baffc0ba5d20b21346414a7a

(1112)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:43 PM

most important to remember: "people don't get TV shows by accident"

A2fe5bbd09c7804fd321e9e9a9f9d199

(1614)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:37 PM

he's the Kenny G of dieticians, isn't he?

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(2169)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:35 PM

FED- that was a beautifully insightful comment.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:27 PM

Quilt is using this very excellent comment on Twitter - you're famous!

00c8eb3f6e6a1884216044ca29cf868a

on October 28, 2011
at 09:25 PM

Oz isn't a naive dingbat. His advice is purposeful and highly profitable for those who advertise on his show. (See my answer for the long version.)

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:22 PM

FED you just made my day with that last comment.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:20 PM

You've totally been plagiarised with this comment, a certain resident doctor has tweeted EXACTLY this to Robb Wolf passing it off as his own HA!

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 08:34 PM

Lol, I think "knob" is running pretty close to "asshat" as far as "things to call Dr. Oz" go :D

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:46 PM

Sounds largely unprocessed which is why I consider it better than most SADs. I don't think a moderate amount of soy is necessarily bad, Asian cultures seem to do quite well on it, fermented is better. I put soy in the same boat as dairy.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:26 PM

Looking at the comments section though, hell hath no fury like a paleo person scorned. Just like the last time he was barraged by this community. Love it.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:23 PM

Just seriously WTF??!!! What a knob. I swear he's done it on purpose.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:13 PM

I commented too. I called him an asshat. I sis not get an "A" in debate.

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:02 PM

Isn't Peter D'Adamo the Admiral of Battlestar Galactica?

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:59 PM

Dr. Oz can make you lose 30lbs a year just by watching his show 60 minutes everyday.

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:58 PM

Animals are not prehistoric at all! Don't you know that plants ruled the world for 90% of history? We're all mostly 100% vegetarian.

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:55 PM

And where he pulls all the levers and switches.

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:54 PM

OH YES THEY DO! Its scary how many people think Dr. Oz is the god of health. Coincidentally, the wizard of Oz was a scared, timid little man hiding behind a booming, omnipotent facade. Maybe we should go backstage?

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:53 PM

It is possible that pasta is prehistoric. All those stone tools may have been early attempts at making pasta cutters.

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:48 PM

I never get tired of hearing asshats like Dr. Oz getting called "asshat" :) I commented on the post earlier today. I said something to the effect of "Sorry Dr. Oz, tofu eating does not a prehistoric diet make."

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:36 PM

He would taste like crazy. Is crazy a flavor? I think it is.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:35 PM

I'd think he would be too stringy.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:10 PM

Animal fat is not prehistoric dude. Animals developed fat when they started to eat grains (w-6) :P

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:09 PM

He probably means that all those plants existed since prehistoric time :P You cant argue that.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:08 PM

Its hard to tell is it better then SAD. Soy is toxic, and GMO soy probably even more toxic. PUFA will be w-6 most of the time. Legumes in larger quantities are probably toxic. Its a mostly toxic diet in any caloric input. Nuts are good addition, most of the benefit will be from it and vegetables.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on October 28, 2011
at 05:55 PM

If I'd meet Dr Oz in real life I'd eat him raw, literally. Even if his omega3/6 ratio is out of whack :)

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on October 28, 2011
at 04:22 PM

Wow... just... wow.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 28, 2011
at 04:22 PM

A bowl of ice cream every night?

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 28, 2011
at 04:21 PM

A bowl of ice cream every night? Maybe need to take away 3 spoons.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 28, 2011
at 04:21 PM

Maybe by not eating any ice cream every night...

C3cb7270d23572bf00bcdbd09efc4b70

(180)

on October 28, 2011
at 04:02 PM

I'm genuinely confused as to why it's called a Prehistoric Diet Plan. It was clearly written by/for someone who has no idea what "Prehistoric" means.

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

(5145)

on October 28, 2011
at 03:56 PM

Right SMC, no need to raise cortisol over it.

8ea84667a7f11ac3967f2ecfcad28ad8

(641)

on October 28, 2011
at 03:46 PM

I used to think differently, but now I believe that indifference is the best option for these types of things.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 28, 2011
at 03:33 PM

yes, they do! And he has one of the most popular daytime shows, and his influence shouldn't be discounted or belittled, despite his current views on the paleo diet.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 28, 2011
at 03:31 PM

even if grains were historic, it would be difficult to gather enough to make the large loaves of bread many enjoy on a daily basis today. He also lumped ww pasta, etc. in with the carb category, even though it does have protein. If protein is limited to 50g for a 2000 cal diet, that doesn't leave much room for lots of bread.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 28, 2011
at 02:48 PM

I am going to the base of the pyramid - he's an asshat.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 28, 2011
at 02:30 PM

Tofu is a processed food but its possible that it could be prehistoric. Unless you had a time machine you have no idea, they had access to all these foods so in theory they could have been eating tofu sandwiches.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 28, 2011
at 02:20 PM

Tofu is prehistoric too ?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 28, 2011
at 02:18 PM

I mean, dietary prehistoric

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on October 28, 2011
at 02:16 PM

Grains are prehistoric - but not as prehistoric as meat, seafood, veggies, and tubers!

1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

(3789)

on October 28, 2011
at 01:56 PM

Grains *are* prehistoric. If this were a neolithic agricultural diet (like WAPF) that would make some kind of sense. Oz is not really capable of making sense.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 28, 2011
at 01:52 PM

Grains are prehistoric

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89e238284ccb95b439edcff9e123671e

(10299)

on October 28, 2011
at 02:36 PM

Maybe he's talking about the pre-history in the land of Oz, where lions can talk and tin men can walk...

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 11:47 PM

Wait, MY comment or Pieter D's? If it is mine quote that has been lifted then I must paraphrase Walter Sobchak and declare that "Quilty, this is not 'Nam. This is PaleoHacks. There are rules."

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:28 PM

then again, tin people in the old days still added in lots of fat.

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(19479)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:00 AM

In that case, carry on.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:20 PM

You've totally been plagiarised with this comment, a certain resident doctor has tweeted EXACTLY this to Robb Wolf passing it off as his own HA!

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:55 PM

And where he pulls all the levers and switches.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:27 PM

Quilt is using this very excellent comment on Twitter - you're famous!

499f188c87c6980742b9ba98caa6f563

(683)

on October 30, 2011
at 12:44 AM

The tin man did use an oil can -- let's hope it was fish oil!

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:27 PM

maybe great minds think alike. One of my comments re: Dr. Oz was alarmingly similar to one Gary Taubes made months later. I am sure we both drank from the same well of humor and irony, and that he didn't intend to copy my work.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:51 AM

it was an awesome comment.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:51 AM

Pieter D. Just outstanding.

89e238284ccb95b439edcff9e123671e

(10299)

on October 29, 2011
at 08:59 AM

Since I don't twitter, I don't really care, and The Quilt is free to use my line. I've learned from him and his blog, and I am grateful for his input in the paleo community. Dr. K, Jack, no problem! ;)

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00c8eb3f6e6a1884216044ca29cf868a

on October 28, 2011
at 09:21 PM

This is what happens once a movement begins to grow too big and too strong to ignore: the mainstream attempts to dilute and co-opt it. I've warned about this before:

http://www.gnolls.org/2199/you-are-a-radical-and-so-am-i-paleo-reaches-the-ominous-stage-3/

Remember that people don't get TV shows by accident. Our government spends tens of billions of dollars every year subsidizing the production of corn, soy, and wheat, leading to hundreds of billions of dollars in profit for the companies that produce "food" made from processed corn, soy, and wheat...

...and who buy so many of the television advertisements.

And let's not even mention the millions of fat and sick people that such a diet creates. Not only does this provide a consistent audience for Dr. Oz - it provides unimaginable profit for the drug companies who buy the rest of the television advertisements.

See how that works?

Expect this trend to continue.

JS

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:52 AM

plus one JS.....

D5096ff5baffc0ba5d20b21346414a7a

(1112)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:43 PM

most important to remember: "people don't get TV shows by accident"

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 11:49 PM

This and the fact that the paleo diet is not fungible :)

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on October 29, 2011
at 02:48 AM

Many of us have seen this coming, but it's certainly worthwhile to spell it out.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:55 PM

it's all about money/power and control/leverage. besides, the term "paleo" is certainly open to cartoonish interpretation.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 30, 2011
at 08:49 AM

Fantastic insights. Thank you for the commentary. You are actually (sorta) wrong *haaa!*. Monsanto and Big Pharma are one as of 1999. Merger between Monsanto and Upjohn&Pharmacia occurred 1999 then Pfizer acquired Pharmacia in 2002. Oz, Big Agra, USDA, Big Pharma -- they are all sleeping buddies. http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/20/business/monsanto-and-pharmacia-to-join-creating-a-pharmaceutical-giant.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer

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1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

on October 28, 2011
at 01:54 PM

This is not the last time some dingbat will attempt to jump on the paleo bandwagon and completely miss the point. It's all part of the growing paleo trend.

00c8eb3f6e6a1884216044ca29cf868a

on October 28, 2011
at 09:25 PM

Oz isn't a naive dingbat. His advice is purposeful and highly profitable for those who advertise on his show. (See my answer for the long version.)

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:33 PM

Dr. Oz is a nice guy and is entertaining, and he offers hope to others, that is severely lacking elsewhere.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:52 AM

JS is spot on......we are closing in on a tipping point.

1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

(3789)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:36 PM

Dingbat, yes. Naive, no. He knows where the money comes from.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 28, 2011
at 01:49 PM

I think: Mhm... since when are soy, tofu and grains prehistoric.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 28, 2011
at 01:52 PM

Grains are prehistoric

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 28, 2011
at 02:20 PM

Tofu is prehistoric too ?

1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

(3789)

on October 28, 2011
at 01:56 PM

Grains *are* prehistoric. If this were a neolithic agricultural diet (like WAPF) that would make some kind of sense. Oz is not really capable of making sense.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on October 28, 2011
at 02:16 PM

Grains are prehistoric - but not as prehistoric as meat, seafood, veggies, and tubers!

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 28, 2011
at 02:30 PM

Tofu is a processed food but its possible that it could be prehistoric. Unless you had a time machine you have no idea, they had access to all these foods so in theory they could have been eating tofu sandwiches.

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:53 PM

It is possible that pasta is prehistoric. All those stone tools may have been early attempts at making pasta cutters.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 28, 2011
at 03:31 PM

even if grains were historic, it would be difficult to gather enough to make the large loaves of bread many enjoy on a daily basis today. He also lumped ww pasta, etc. in with the carb category, even though it does have protein. If protein is limited to 50g for a 2000 cal diet, that doesn't leave much room for lots of bread.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:26 AM

I think we can all agree that some grains were eaten prior to agriculture, of course the role that they played in the vast majority of our evolution isn't so clear. They appear to be starvation foods at best. Nobody but the most orthodox paleos say that you can never eat any grains on the paleo diet, just that they aren't to be seen as good food because there was no real selection pressure to grains prior to agriculture. Natural selection is everything, time is only a crude marker.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:22 PM

FED you just made my day with that last comment.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 28, 2011
at 02:18 PM

I mean, dietary prehistoric

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 30, 2011
at 08:51 AM

YOU ARE SO FUNNY!!!!!!! GMO is not dietary prehistoric.

1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

(3789)

on October 29, 2011
at 11:45 PM

The Oz diet is claimed to be pre-historic, not pre-agriculture. By that measure, it is not impossible that tofu is pre-historic. Not that the Oz diet isn't crap, mind you.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on October 28, 2011
at 03:03 PM

Based on your highlights, it's thinly veiled vegan diet. Minimal protein, and get it from beans, not meat. Get calcium from soy, not dairy (yeah, I know, not technically paleo regardless). Fats should be PUFA, not saturated...

Is it better than most SAD diets? Yes. Is it anywhere near optimal? Nope.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:08 PM

Its hard to tell is it better then SAD. Soy is toxic, and GMO soy probably even more toxic. PUFA will be w-6 most of the time. Legumes in larger quantities are probably toxic. Its a mostly toxic diet in any caloric input. Nuts are good addition, most of the benefit will be from it and vegetables.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:46 PM

Sounds largely unprocessed which is why I consider it better than most SADs. I don't think a moderate amount of soy is necessarily bad, Asian cultures seem to do quite well on it, fermented is better. I put soy in the same boat as dairy.

1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

(3789)

on October 29, 2011
at 11:47 PM

I think it's certainly better than an industrial Western diet. We'd all agree that it is far from optimal. Any benefits are likely due to accidentally cutting out garbage, not by adding anything actually nutritious.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on October 31, 2011
at 02:45 PM

I just watched the video. Yee gads. It's not even thinly veiled ... this IS a vegan diet (and the 48hrs was a raw vegan diet). I didn't expect much, but this was worse than I expected.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 30, 2011
at 11:52 AM

Can we equalize dairy with soy actually ? Doesn't sound right... although I see why are you saying that..

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on October 30, 2011
at 02:36 PM

I think we can equalize dairy and soy, at least on an individual basis. It something that one must personally explore. More and more, paleo seems like simply a set of guidelines that help one identify one's optimal diet. If that includes soy, dairy, nuts, or even *gasp!* gluten, so be it.

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61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

(3175)

on October 28, 2011
at 03:52 PM

I saw him telling an obese woman that she could lose 30lbs in a year by taking 3 spoons of her ice cream out of her bowl every night. Why didn't I think of that?

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on October 28, 2011
at 04:22 PM

Wow... just... wow.

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:59 PM

Dr. Oz can make you lose 30lbs a year just by watching his show 60 minutes everyday.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 28, 2011
at 04:21 PM

A bowl of ice cream every night? Maybe need to take away 3 spoons.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 28, 2011
at 04:22 PM

A bowl of ice cream every night?

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 28, 2011
at 04:21 PM

Maybe by not eating any ice cream every night...

F3583667d653163c121640a015ffa93a

(784)

on October 30, 2011
at 12:04 PM

Yeah, you puke up breakfast . . .

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D72e9d21977363ea1850fa00555f151a

on October 28, 2011
at 02:01 PM

People still pay attention to this guy?

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:54 PM

OH YES THEY DO! Its scary how many people think Dr. Oz is the god of health. Coincidentally, the wizard of Oz was a scared, timid little man hiding behind a booming, omnipotent facade. Maybe we should go backstage?

D72e9d21977363ea1850fa00555f151a

(891)

on October 28, 2011
at 10:31 PM

I think I caught a glimpse of his show once while visiting a friend. Other than that, I don't own a TV.

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(2169)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:35 PM

FED- that was a beautifully insightful comment.

1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

(3789)

on October 29, 2011
at 11:48 PM

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." --Robert Heinlein

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 28, 2011
at 03:33 PM

yes, they do! And he has one of the most popular daytime shows, and his influence shouldn't be discounted or belittled, despite his current views on the paleo diet.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:35 PM

@fed, its scary how many people think Dr. Guy or Dr. Jam are gods of health, too.

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on October 29, 2011
at 05:17 AM

“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.” --H. L. Mencken

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 28, 2011
at 09:02 PM

For those of us former raw vegans, this is old hat. Many raw vegans use all kinds of arguments about veganism being the original human diet. It's probably the most popular type of argument on raw forums. Thank god some folks created http://www.beyondveg.com/ and put these arguments to rest.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 29, 2011
at 02:06 PM

it's just bad interpretation. Our ancestors did eat a plant-based diet, back when their brains were quite small.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 05:56 AM

the vegan's data

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 29, 2011
at 05:49 AM

Data for what? Beyondveg has tons of references. I assume most of the people work in academia like I do, which gives them access to papers.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 05:46 AM

where do they get their data for this?

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6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on October 28, 2011
at 07:37 PM

I think this is a new anti paleo strategy. There was a post on here earlier this week about an NPR article (forgive me for not adding the link as Im on my cellphone) in which a dietitian was taking the neolithic food vs paleo foods arguement a step further saying that we should go back to a time before we had tools to hunt with and not eat meat. I believe we were warned by many that the arguement of this diet is optimal because this is how our ancestors ate would not be good one. Now we have a veganized misconstruing of this concept.

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on October 29, 2011
at 03:46 PM

Thanks Futureboy! Good looking out.

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(5639)

on October 29, 2011
at 05:45 AM

http://paleohacks.com/questions/73093/have-you-seen-the-npr-org-article-trashing-us/73413#73413

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7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on October 29, 2011
at 11:02 PM

Too funny! From Paul Jaminet:

Dr Oz has a ???Prehistoric Diet Plan???. I think of it as Loren Cordain merged with T. Colin Campbell, and then acquired by the US Department of Agriculture.

I might have written "Loren Cordain mugged by T. Colin Campbell" but the USDA part just made me LOL!

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 31, 2011
at 06:23 AM

+1...doesn't look like a happy marriage to me either.

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8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 28, 2011
at 03:16 PM

It looks like all you need to do here is to co-opt the paleo logo. Another version of "My thinly-veiled vegan diet can beat up your honor student." I hope he succeeds. We all need more success.

2b2c2e4aa87e9aa4c99cae48e980f70d

(1059)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:11 AM

My thought exaxtly. Oz knows what the paleo diet entails as he had lots of back and forth with Oz and a member of MDA was approached by them about participation on a show.

5
9dbfedbe21eae2a65093f8774ba8ad4d

on October 28, 2011
at 02:22 PM

where is the animal fat in this diet???

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(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:58 PM

Animals are not prehistoric at all! Don't you know that plants ruled the world for 90% of history? We're all mostly 100% vegetarian.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on October 29, 2011
at 11:32 AM

The useful animal fat in the paleolithic wasn't muscle fat that didn't exist ... it was the fat in the organs and bone marrow.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:10 PM

Animal fat is not prehistoric dude. Animals developed fat when they started to eat grains (w-6) :P

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:22 PM

the animal fat is eliminated as a nod to the cardiologists who noticed that a small minority of people have problems with it, ignoring the vast majority of people who just get fat and diabetic off their recommendations. As long as we can continue to emphasize willpower and commitment as solutions for fat people instead of real solutions, the problem will continue.

1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

(3789)

on October 29, 2011
at 11:51 PM

Some of the first paleo writers, such as Cordain and DeVaney, emphasized avoiding saturated fat as well. Even Robb Wolf talks "lean meats" much of the time. That's trended over time toward lipophilia.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on October 31, 2011
at 02:54 AM

There is none, so that means more for us!

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Medium avatar

on October 29, 2011
at 06:40 AM

What a joke!

I'm loving the show of solidarity in the comments section though. That's where the real action is!

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on October 29, 2011
at 03:23 PM

Yes, the paleo crowd is really representing!

4
499f188c87c6980742b9ba98caa6f563

(683)

on October 29, 2011
at 05:03 AM

"Prehistoric" is NOT "Paleolithic". Prehistory means before written records, before say 3,000 BCE. Since the Neolithic period starting roughly 10,000 years ago, then the majority of the Neolithic period was also prehistoric.

It's a very subtle sleight-of-hand he's practicing here, because it will confuse a lot of people who don't know the difference.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 29, 2011
at 05:59 AM

He did say "caveman" a few times, but yes you are correct for the most part.

4
64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:46 AM

This is absurd, but the problem is he's gonna confuse the general public and the already variable paleo diet (dairy, safe starches, etc) is gonna leave people having no idea how to reap any benefit from a paleo diet.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 29, 2011
at 05:44 AM

Oh heavens! I read that some of Dr. Oz viewers can actually read, and sometimes they go on this internet thing and read articles and stuff like that. And here all this time I thought Dr. Oz locked them all in the truth tube between episodes and fed them blueberries.

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(19479)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:04 AM

I would imagine that the Wizard knows what he's doing. Paleo is getting popular and countermands his position. This is a deliberate move on Oz's part.

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95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on October 29, 2011
at 02:35 AM

If this were rock n roll, Oz's prehistoric diet would be Pat Boone.

3
Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

(12540)

on October 28, 2011
at 02:12 PM

well, he did say "prehistoric" not paleo-- so I'd say that it's probably not horrible for a Neolithic/post-agriculture diet. I still don't understand what h is hangup is about meat and sat fats... but if someone is transitioning from the SAD, they could probably do worse. Of course, the heavy load of soy products would turn me off of it even before I'd found paleo eating -- especially knowing that there is virtually no such thing as "non-GMO" soy left in the modern world, due to cross-polination contamination.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 30, 2011
at 03:08 PM

he has said that most of what he learned about nutrition is from his wife. She is a vegetarian.

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13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

(7223)

on October 28, 2011
at 02:05 PM

How is this a paleo diet? And, unless he is teaching them to properly prepare their grains and legumes, it isn't even traditional diet (WAPF). Not to mention a WAPF-style diet would include a lot more fat, dairy, and meat.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 28, 2011
at 06:09 PM

He probably means that all those plants existed since prehistoric time :P You cant argue that.

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D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

(4029)

on October 29, 2011
at 08:28 PM

All those stone tools for hunting down the wily cabbage.

Did anyone notice he said the participants would be eating the same diet as the healthy zoo animals? Are alligators veg*n?

1
E7e7e1c856d4494d4a1b700b6869df90

(982)

on May 11, 2012
at 08:32 PM

amazingly that is still open for comment, most of which seems to be negative on his "health/diet" info.

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Medium avatar

(10601)

on October 31, 2011
at 05:46 PM

This looks like a fun diet. All it needs is a book.

Sorry meat eaters. If you want to be truly prehistoric eat your veggies. After you finish that bowl of silken tofu.

How about a snickers bar too? No animals were injured during it's production either.

I'm glad I don't have a TV. Well, I do but I don't use it as a TV...it's my $10 stereo system...

Medium avatar

(10601)

on October 31, 2011
at 06:02 PM

And the book will outsell anything Cordain has written 10:1.

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0f30cec79871fa73273cd80312cd63f6

on October 29, 2011
at 02:13 AM

prehistoric man didn't live that long...usually to a ripe old age of 35...and I hate to burst Dr Oz's bubble but prehistoric man did eat meat wherever and whenever he could find it...it was their best source of protein since they didn't have tofu or meat replacements as they do today.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on October 29, 2011
at 02:42 AM

Many prehistoric people lived past the age of 35.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 31, 2011
at 06:25 AM

But Tom, you are forgetting the ancient stone tofu presses they have been finding in newly-discovered caves.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 28, 2011
at 05:35 PM

I prefer Peter D'Adamo to most other "experts". I don't agree with him 100% on everything but very close. Genotype is sooooooooo much more accurate. Dr. Oz frankly makes me sick, hate him completely. OMG he and his people know how stupid Americans are. The "calcium" category? Soy milk is prehistoric? OMG I want out of this country.

Medium avatar

(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:02 PM

Isn't Peter D'Adamo the Admiral of Battlestar Galactica?

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