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Feeling down and depressed since starting Paleo

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created October 15, 2011 at 10:40 PM

Hi :)

I've been paleo for.. a month or two now? I just started school again, and the first day back I felt as if I was ontop of the world, all the other kids were half awake and moping around the place while I was full of energy and had such mental clarity.

Although, ever since school started, I feel depressed and serious ( something i am never), although i've had depression before due to unfortunate circumstances.

I'm not sure if it's because i'm lacking something in my diet, or because i've all of a sudden taken responsibility for my own life in terms of teaching myself how to cook, keep my room clean, planning lunches etc. and I just can't handle it at the moment.

Oh and I went cold turkey immediately when starting paleo, back on the SAD diet, sugar started to take over me, I was kinda.. addicted? If that info helps.

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on October 16, 2011
at 11:41 PM

according to cronometer oranges and orange juice give me similar nutrition per calorie, are they lying? All your links are fear mongering propaganda, they have no real science. No one has proven that eating fruit is more beneficial than juice, at least I haven't seen the hard evidence yet. That might change my mind but for now pure fruit juice=whole fruit imo, you can disagree but that's just your opinion.

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on October 16, 2011
at 11:33 PM

Cliff, Juice doesn't have "everything minus the fiber", unless you're "juicing" by pureeing the fruit in a blender. In addition, because there IS no fiber, the sugar in juices is absorbed extremely quickly, usually triggering a high insulin response, followed by substantial rebound hypoglycemia. A piece of fresh fruit is a MUCH better choice. See: http://www.foodrenegade.com/secret-ingredient-your-orange-juice/ http://www.reeis.usda.gov/web/crisprojectpages/207232.htm http://www.livestrong.com/article/317541-reactive-hypoglycemia-foods-to-avoid/

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on October 16, 2011
at 02:06 PM

There's a big difference between being sad and depressed compared to depression. The brilliant scientific world named it clinical depression, but it's nothing like being depressed. I think you are having a normal sad period in life which is based on something that's going on in your life. Real depression lasts, and lasts, and lasts for years and is worse than being paralyzed from the neck down. I think this is a rare case of someone needing to man up and get over it.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 16, 2011
at 02:06 PM

juice has everything the fruit has minus the fiber which just inhibits nutrient absorption. Whole fruits are fine but juice is better imo.

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on October 16, 2011
at 02:05 PM

Sorry, I missed above where you said you already take omega 3. I'd also second the recommendations for exercise and making sure you are getting enough calories.

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on October 16, 2011
at 02:02 PM

Tanzen, if it's something you can fix within days from a lifestyle change, then didn't ever have a f*ing problem. Try feeling in a deep mental fog every single day for three years.

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on October 16, 2011
at 01:56 PM

This--except not the juice. That's just pure sugar. Eat the whole fruit.

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on October 16, 2011
at 05:32 AM

Very well explained! Your very right, thankyou very much

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 16, 2011
at 05:18 AM

This doesn't mean quit school...It just means get a grip on how you handle it. Stress is mitigated by how you respond to it....just remember you control the response aspect.

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

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on October 16, 2011
at 04:25 AM

haha wonderful! :D oh so i'm not the only one! Thanks again!

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

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on October 16, 2011
at 04:22 AM

yes that's true :) but I take 1-3 omega 3 capsules per day. Thanks for the link!

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on October 16, 2011
at 01:32 AM

Glad you're relaxing some, tanzen. :)

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on October 16, 2011
at 01:31 AM

It is SO yummy, Tanzen...in fact I went and made one right after posting that. :) I can relate to preferring meat/fat over veg - I have to be careful not to forget carbs. I know I'm too low when I grouch out. I do hope you feel better!

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

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on October 16, 2011
at 01:06 AM

what foods do you think are causing your depression? as for me, I think TeaElf is right, it could be because from all the stresses of school etc, since it's the weekend i've got plenty of free time to relax etc and I feel better already, maybe i've got my work/play unbalanced, ( I can't believe im saying this I used to be such a lazy sloth! :P )

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

(15)

on October 16, 2011
at 01:04 AM

what foods do you think are causing your depression? as for me, I think TeaElf is right because since it's the weekend i've got plenty of free time to relax etc and I feel better already, maybe i've got my work/play unbalanced, ( I can't believe im saying this I used to be such a lazy sloth! :P )

340150d492e98c4f731e32cfbf5cdc0f

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on October 16, 2011
at 12:55 AM

I have depression but I know it's from food and definitly not anything going on in my life because everything is fine in my life.

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on October 16, 2011
at 12:23 AM

Thankyou very much :) Yes I guess it could just be school :)

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

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on October 16, 2011
at 12:22 AM

oh that sounds delicious! I should try that! No i'm not deliberately limiting carbs, I just love meat ( especially chicken roast :P ) and fats from all (good) sources, so I stuff myself with those instead of balancing, I'm trying to work on it, like a rule where I have to have vegies/fruit with every meal I have

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on October 16, 2011
at 12:16 AM

Hmm, that sounds like a decent amount. Is it possible that you really are, as you mentioned, just stressed about school and life responsibilities? Those are no small potatoes! Speaking of potatoes, you could try sweet potatoes/yams baked with butter and cinnamon for more carbs, unless you are deliberately limiting carbs.

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on October 16, 2011
at 12:10 AM

according to fitday, usually around 1,800 to 2,050 ( 7650-8610 KJ)

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

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on October 16, 2011
at 12:05 AM

I don't drink coffee and I hardly drink tea, but if i do drink tea, it's white.

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

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on October 16, 2011
at 12:04 AM

I don't drink coffee, and with teas, I hardly have tea, if it is, it's white tea

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on October 15, 2011
at 11:16 PM

How many calories are you hitting? What you posted seems light. Low cals can make a body seriously grumpy. :)

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

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on October 15, 2011
at 11:05 PM

Thanks for your answer :)

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

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on October 15, 2011
at 11:05 PM

*alot of my free time

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

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on October 15, 2011
at 11:04 PM

I hope it's not, and i'm not saying that Paleo is bad in anyway, I would go on for years if I were to write a list of how Paleo has helped me, but I'm still a newb and I could be lacking something that i'm unaware of, I enjoy school but yes maybe it's due to the fact that i've taken control of all of my eating, and it's taken up alot of my time, and there are a few morons at school, but they don't affect me like this.

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

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on October 15, 2011
at 10:59 PM

The last few weeks i've been using Fitday and usually I get around 50-80 g of carbs, I struggle with trying to raise it because i've fallen inlove with coconut and I thoroughly enjoy fats.

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on October 15, 2011
at 10:57 PM

Example day: School day Breakfast : 2/3 cup coconut milk with cinnamon ( sometimes with raspberries) OR 2 eggs with a tomato Lunch: Salad, either /cherry tomato/carrot/cucumber ( sometimes I leave out the cucumber and put some olive oil) with avocado or a handfull of almonds or canned sardines Dinner: Grass fed beef OR FR chicken breast/theigh/wing OR FR pork chop with spinach and/or tomato/capsicum Desert: Coconut milk whipped with cinnamon ( occasionally with raspberries or stevia dark chocolate )

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on October 15, 2011
at 10:55 PM

Do you know what your carb intake is? I find that if my carbs drop too low, I get moody and blah. If you don't already, try tracking your daily food in something like Fitday or MyFitnessPal, which will tell you what your macro breakdown is.

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on October 15, 2011
at 10:50 PM

Hi! I wish i had an answer for you but know im about 5wks in and i feel the same way...its weird, not sure if my body/mind is just taking longer to adapt or what, who knows, but i'm with you and am looking for answers/suggestions too! all i keep telling myself is not to give up. good luck!

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on October 15, 2011
at 10:42 PM

Welcome! Please post a typical day of diet and exercise so that we can address your question more thoroughly.

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 16, 2011
at 05:11 AM

There are three general stressors in life: physical, chemical, and emotional. You have introduced a significant emotional stressor recently in conjunction with the chemical change of a paleo diet. The paleo diet is a reduction in stress compared to previous chemical insults to the body (right?) so what may be the most likely cause of your distress? I'm guessing the school and the emotional response...Depression is a multilevel event...you have to take into account every aspect of health.

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

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on October 16, 2011
at 05:32 AM

Very well explained! Your very right, thankyou very much

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 16, 2011
at 05:18 AM

This doesn't mean quit school...It just means get a grip on how you handle it. Stress is mitigated by how you respond to it....just remember you control the response aspect.

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on October 16, 2011
at 10:19 AM

Seriously? Nobody said vitamin D? If you're at school chances are you don't see a lot of sun. Supplement 1000-5000IU every day.

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on October 16, 2011
at 04:52 PM

Have you ever considered meditating? I bounced off a huge depression bottom and meditation was an integral part of my recovery. Now thanks to consistent meditation, I am able to cope with stress, in a more favorable way. Anyway best of luck and have a wonderful day.

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on October 16, 2011
at 07:51 AM

Dietary wise, i've had the same issue with a lack of carbs / fresh foods.

Personally i've found through experimentation that when I'm annoyed or aggro foods with vibrant colors ie - kiwi, beets, pomegranate, lemons + salt, various berries etc. work pretty well for me. as do spicy fresh foods Green Tea Tree salad / spicy papaya salads etc. I also don't believe in super strict dogma, and I have a personal weakness for spicy cayenne bitter dark chocolate.

Additionally, i'd try hopping on a workout regime/routine - preferably something fun with some resistance or strength element. Dieting can help. but nothing i've ever found makes me feel better than growing in strength / stamina / seeing some muscle grow ;p

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E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 16, 2011
at 01:56 AM

eat more carbs like potatoes, OJ, fruit, and other starches

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 16, 2011
at 02:06 PM

juice has everything the fruit has minus the fiber which just inhibits nutrient absorption. Whole fruits are fine but juice is better imo.

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

(7223)

on October 16, 2011
at 01:56 PM

This--except not the juice. That's just pure sugar. Eat the whole fruit.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 16, 2011
at 11:41 PM

according to cronometer oranges and orange juice give me similar nutrition per calorie, are they lying? All your links are fear mongering propaganda, they have no real science. No one has proven that eating fruit is more beneficial than juice, at least I haven't seen the hard evidence yet. That might change my mind but for now pure fruit juice=whole fruit imo, you can disagree but that's just your opinion.

Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

(12540)

on October 16, 2011
at 11:33 PM

Cliff, Juice doesn't have "everything minus the fiber", unless you're "juicing" by pureeing the fruit in a blender. In addition, because there IS no fiber, the sugar in juices is absorbed extremely quickly, usually triggering a high insulin response, followed by substantial rebound hypoglycemia. A piece of fresh fruit is a MUCH better choice. See: http://www.foodrenegade.com/secret-ingredient-your-orange-juice/ http://www.reeis.usda.gov/web/crisprojectpages/207232.htm http://www.livestrong.com/article/317541-reactive-hypoglycemia-foods-to-avoid/

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on October 16, 2011
at 04:52 PM

Gluten and casein withdrawal http://www.corepsychblog.com/2007/08/celiac-notes-opiate-withdrawal-from-gluten-and-casein/#axzz1axkQ6hRy Even celiacs, people who will die if they continue eating wheat, experience the withdrawal symptoms. Just manage the withdrawal with all the recommendations above: vitamin D, enough carbs, SUFFICIENT omega threes, but not too much.

Also, be careful with nuts. I notice more anxiety when I increase my omega six intake. I literally go insane...it's not a scientific answer, I know, but it's a possibility! Good luck and keep on keepin' on

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13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

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on October 16, 2011
at 02:02 PM

I had the exact same problem (and some others) when I first started eating a paleo diet. It turned out my carbs were just way too low. Some people do fine on ketogenic diets, but I am not one of them (that wasn't my goal anyway, I just didn't realize how low they were). Add in some sweet potatoes, winter squash, fruit, etc.

Omega 3 and/or vitamin D levels could also be an issue. So, for omega 3s eat more fish or, if you don't want to eat more fish, consider supplementing with fermented cod liver oil. For vitamin D, get out in the sun for 15-20 minutes a day if at all possible. Otherwise consider a vitamin D supplement (fermented cod liver oil actually covers both of those bases).

I upped my carbs and added some fermented cod liver oil and started feeling much better.

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

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on October 16, 2011
at 02:05 PM

Sorry, I missed above where you said you already take omega 3. I'd also second the recommendations for exercise and making sure you are getting enough calories.

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on October 16, 2011
at 01:32 AM

Maybe you need to increase your intake of omega 3 fats. They have shown to improve mood. I didn't really see much omega 3 fats in your listing of foods you ate.

More info here: http://www.carbsmart.com/eatingfat.html

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

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on October 16, 2011
at 04:22 AM

yes that's true :) but I take 1-3 omega 3 capsules per day. Thanks for the link!

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on October 15, 2011
at 10:52 PM

"Although, ever since school started, I feel depressed and serious ( something i am never), although i've had depression before due to unfortunate circumstances."

I think this latest episode of being down can't reliably be linked to your paleo eating. Do you?

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

(15)

on October 15, 2011
at 11:04 PM

I hope it's not, and i'm not saying that Paleo is bad in anyway, I would go on for years if I were to write a list of how Paleo has helped me, but I'm still a newb and I could be lacking something that i'm unaware of, I enjoy school but yes maybe it's due to the fact that i've taken control of all of my eating, and it's taken up alot of my time, and there are a few morons at school, but they don't affect me like this.

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

(15)

on October 15, 2011
at 11:05 PM

*alot of my free time

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

(15)

on October 15, 2011
at 11:05 PM

Thanks for your answer :)

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340150d492e98c4f731e32cfbf5cdc0f

on October 15, 2011
at 11:52 PM

My guess is probably the coffee you are still consuming while being Paleo.

340150d492e98c4f731e32cfbf5cdc0f

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on October 16, 2011
at 02:02 PM

Tanzen, if it's something you can fix within days from a lifestyle change, then didn't ever have a f*ing problem. Try feeling in a deep mental fog every single day for three years.

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

(15)

on October 16, 2011
at 12:05 AM

I don't drink coffee and I hardly drink tea, but if i do drink tea, it's white.

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

(15)

on October 16, 2011
at 12:04 AM

I don't drink coffee, and with teas, I hardly have tea, if it is, it's white tea

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

(15)

on October 16, 2011
at 01:04 AM

what foods do you think are causing your depression? as for me, I think TeaElf is right because since it's the weekend i've got plenty of free time to relax etc and I feel better already, maybe i've got my work/play unbalanced, ( I can't believe im saying this I used to be such a lazy sloth! :P )

1fce94592c61f5078055ae6398ef486d

(15)

on October 16, 2011
at 01:06 AM

what foods do you think are causing your depression? as for me, I think TeaElf is right, it could be because from all the stresses of school etc, since it's the weekend i've got plenty of free time to relax etc and I feel better already, maybe i've got my work/play unbalanced, ( I can't believe im saying this I used to be such a lazy sloth! :P )

340150d492e98c4f731e32cfbf5cdc0f

(-6)

on October 16, 2011
at 12:55 AM

I have depression but I know it's from food and definitly not anything going on in my life because everything is fine in my life.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on October 16, 2011
at 01:32 AM

Glad you're relaxing some, tanzen. :)

340150d492e98c4f731e32cfbf5cdc0f

(-6)

on October 16, 2011
at 02:06 PM

There's a big difference between being sad and depressed compared to depression. The brilliant scientific world named it clinical depression, but it's nothing like being depressed. I think you are having a normal sad period in life which is based on something that's going on in your life. Real depression lasts, and lasts, and lasts for years and is worse than being paralyzed from the neck down. I think this is a rare case of someone needing to man up and get over it.

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