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Ever heard of the Dukan diet?

Answered on October 03, 2014
Created October 28, 2010 at 8:04 AM

I heard about it today. Apparently it's huge in Europe, especially France. Anyone know anything about it? Thoughts?

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on January 31, 2011
at 03:37 PM

I've been wondering about this one too; I had a girlfriend try it for 3 days or so. Makes me sad that the French are catching the fat phobia :(

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on November 05, 2010
at 01:07 PM

About 25 years ago, I would stop every morning at a donut shop (Winchells in LA) and get donuts for my boss and co-workers (2 other guys in a computer store). We switched to muffins to be "healthier" - my boss was worried that he was gaining weight. I just wanna cry at how ignorant we were.

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on October 29, 2010
at 11:32 AM

Yes, it was Robb Wolf/hookers/cocaine. I guess I watered it down - ha ha!

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on October 29, 2010
at 05:19 AM

Tim, the prob is when there are a bunch of fake foods used in order to avoid eating fat. The body requires fat. And while I am not sure it is necesary to eat TONS of fat, I do think it's unhealthy to eat TONS of protein while doing everything posssible to not eat fat. The body requires healthy fat intake to maintain healht.

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on October 28, 2010
at 09:19 PM

I was going to bring up rabbit starvation as well. What I like about Paleo is the fact that you are eating for optimal health. Not just finding metabolism hacks that will allow you to eat all of the modern crap and still get skinny. It also doesn't address why the French (or anyone else) become overweight. It also doesn't address the fact that the French were conspicuously missing from Ancel Keys' study which is why they are a dietary "paradox." Paleo isn't a weight loss regimen. Its a lifestyle change. If you were overweight you will likely lose weight. I didn't lose weight.

0d2dec01a5ed9363a9915e111ae13f7e

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on October 28, 2010
at 02:53 PM

Yah, since when is meat and vegetables with occasional fruit NOT real food?

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

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on October 28, 2010
at 02:04 PM

Yes, that is highly indicative of a diet mindset that I want no part of in my life.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on October 28, 2010
at 01:17 PM

^^Robb Wolf and I think he was talking about a party with hookers and cocaine.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on October 28, 2010
at 01:15 PM

^^Robb Wolf and I think he said hookers and cocaine.

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on October 28, 2010
at 11:59 AM

HAHA, patrick3000, many of us were...

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on October 28, 2010
at 10:14 AM

No, but I used to be on the Dunkin diet ;)

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A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 28, 2010
at 12:11 PM

It's a low fat Atkins. It should be similar in effect to a PSMF (protein sparing modified fast). Basically, it is only lean meat for 5 days. Then, you alternate days of only lean meat and days of lean meat and (non-starchy) veggies until your desired weight is acheived. For maintenance: one fruit daily, one serving pasta/bread 2x/week, and one cheat meal per week.

I personally don't want to go back to eating pasta/bread or having planned cheat meals. Can't remember where I read it but, to paraphrase: "A pre-planned binge meal is like going to a party with cigars and strippers. Neither is going to turn out well."

A PSMF is effective for rapid weight loss - but it doesn't teach you how to eat/be healthy for the rest of your life. I would tend to prefer Atkins over this as PSMF makes me feel a bit "wiggy" from the lack of fat. See "rabbit starvation" for more details.

Neither Atkins or most other low carb plans (exception that I can think of is Protein Power) talk about inflammation, Omega-6, SFA vs PUFA, Grains, Lectins, Phytates, Fructose, etc.

I got here down a long road that included Atkins (bias disclosure) - but I think that a low carb/Paleo plan is serving me very well. Within Paleo, I can tweak protein/fat/carbs as necessary for my own personal requirements. Everyone does it their own way, which is great - it really is a big tent.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on October 28, 2010
at 01:15 PM

^^Robb Wolf and I think he said hookers and cocaine.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on October 28, 2010
at 01:17 PM

^^Robb Wolf and I think he was talking about a party with hookers and cocaine.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 29, 2010
at 11:32 AM

Yes, it was Robb Wolf/hookers/cocaine. I guess I watered it down - ha ha!

9f187c931f7ce55d375ed5806e254aaf

(820)

on October 28, 2010
at 09:19 PM

I was going to bring up rabbit starvation as well. What I like about Paleo is the fact that you are eating for optimal health. Not just finding metabolism hacks that will allow you to eat all of the modern crap and still get skinny. It also doesn't address why the French (or anyone else) become overweight. It also doesn't address the fact that the French were conspicuously missing from Ancel Keys' study which is why they are a dietary "paradox." Paleo isn't a weight loss regimen. Its a lifestyle change. If you were overweight you will likely lose weight. I didn't lose weight.

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on October 28, 2010
at 05:26 PM

Dunkin diet... lol

Yes, it sounds bad. Lots of low-fat products and then being "allowed" to eat bread and pasta. Talk about fake foods. I'll stick with the meat, veggies and butter thanks... =)

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on December 11, 2011
at 10:10 PM

Having done PSMF before a la Lyle's Rapid Fat Loss both with/without refeeds, I can tell you that they are indeed extremely effective and actually relatively painless especially if you were eating VLC before. It is actually the only way I can lose weight due to my thyroid/adrenal issues but the key is the transition period post diet which is sort of where the Dukan gets it right and where I got it wrong and no one has been specific enough about how SLOWLY you have to transition to be successful. You can't just jump to a higher fat Paleo/Primal diet because you will store it as body fat regardless of how low carb you are and what Taubes argument you want to throw in. Obviously he is not transitioning to anything we would concerning grains and low fat dairy crap and to be honest he lacks any scientific research to back up his sometimes outrageous claims if you're even marginally nutritionally informed (hello, fat phobic). I would argue the transition is the hardest part if you do it right and if you do a PSMF diet right- focus on lean, pastured proteins and non-starchy veg and keep your free meals Paleo without using non-paleo foods to get you through then you are actually setting yourself up great as basically you are just slowly adding back fats and some fattier cuts of meat occasionally while monitoring your weight in transition. I am actually in the middle of doing this right now although I am finally getting treated for my thyroid and adrenal issues so they're supported. However, I have accepted that due to my metabolic issues that I just cannot process that much fat and that I have to keep my protein up to a certain amount to be successful in maintenance so essentially Cordain's Paleo for the long run.

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on October 29, 2010
at 05:23 AM

I could see this would totally work to lose weight, especially in the earlier stages where you are eating tons of protein. Let's face it, it's very very hard to overeat when you are eating almost all protein. The brain will make you stop. You will get to the point where you would rather hurl than eat more protein!

The problem is that this could be rather unhealthy long term and if someone was very diehard, that amount of protein in absence of fat could also be physically rather dangerous even in the short term.

For the stabilization phase, I am curious how well just one day of protein eating per week would work though. I guess maybe it could for some people help tip the balanced towards a less deranged metabolism, but still I am rather skeptical.

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on October 28, 2010
at 01:37 PM

But really, if you are losing a significant amount of weight, it has been 6 or 8 months since you had real food.

There's a hint! No thanks!

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on October 28, 2010
at 02:53 PM

Yah, since when is meat and vegetables with occasional fruit NOT real food?

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on October 29, 2010
at 05:19 AM

Tim, the prob is when there are a bunch of fake foods used in order to avoid eating fat. The body requires fat. And while I am not sure it is necesary to eat TONS of fat, I do think it's unhealthy to eat TONS of protein while doing everything posssible to not eat fat. The body requires healthy fat intake to maintain healht.

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

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on October 28, 2010
at 02:04 PM

Yes, that is highly indicative of a diet mindset that I want no part of in my life.

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on October 28, 2010
at 08:58 AM

Fad.

http://blogs.howstuffworks.com/2010/04/21/how-the-dukan-diet-works-the-french-diet-that-is-supposed-to-end-the-obesity-epidemic/

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dukan-Diet-Pierre/dp/144471032X

"Continue eating protein plus vegetables to your heart???s desire. They are always on the menu. 2) You get one fruit a day, but you are looking for the watery fruits like watermellon, cantelope, apples, etc. 3) You get two slices of whole-grain bread. If you must have butter, make it low-fat. Be stingy with the butter. 4) You get one serving of carbs per week. This might be pasta or rice. 5) Your menu expands to include one ???celebration meal??? per week, where anything goes. But really, if you are losing a significant amount of weight, it has been 6 or 8 months since you had real food. Do you really want to blow it now? I guess if you travel, this meal would allow you to eat one normal restaurant meal a week. As you move to the second half of Phase 3, you get two of these ???celebration meals??? per week."

Leave muah butta alone.

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on October 03, 2014
at 11:02 PM

Yes.

It's important to remember that any diet is just a rehash of old ones, and common knowledge among the body building community. At the end of the day you only have three macros to adjust - Protein, Fat, and Carbs. And we all know about the threat of carbs. Which leaves Fat and Protein. Erase the protein and you invite muscle loss. But erase the fat? Now things get interesting...

It may very well be the most effective crash diet out there. It's what already lean and built bodybuilders have known about since at least the 70's. It's done 1-2weeks prior to shred that last bit of stubborn fat before competition without sacrificing muscle - Ie; "Boiled chicken and broccoli" or PSMF (Protein Sparing Moderated Fast). Also used by clinicians as the last resort before going through with lap band surgery for the obese. 

A. It works. B. It's utterly miserable (and dangerous long term)

Ideal for smashing through plateaus, but not in any way to be recommended as a lifestyle diet. Your body can adapt, and perhaps thrive on a low carb diet. 

It's important to remember that Paleo works because it's low in sugar, and refined carbohydrates. Not because your eating like a caveman necassarily - it's a philosophy, not a science, just ask a Paleontoligist what they think about it. If you want to get leaner it's all about "Mastering Your Macros" at the end of the day. 

Ergo: Eat Protein, Fat, then Carbs in that order. If you want to lose fat whilst maintaining muscle you subtract from the end until you see results. 

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on January 31, 2011
at 02:21 PM

I agree with most of the other comments. To begin I think Dukan diet, or a period of PSMF, don't help promote a switch to a healthy eating lifestile in the long term. That is the most important thing. And, by the way, I'm sure that by switching to Paleo most people will lose some weight, anyway. Either being on the lowererish carb side of Paleo or not, by eating, let's say, sweet patatoes instead of soft drinks, sugar, white flour, I don't see anyone getting any fatter. If everyone in the population would eat Paleo most both health and weight problems would vanish.

That said, I think that the Dukan diet at least poses an interesting question. I'd like to lose 15 pounds (8 Kilo's). I eat quite low-carb paleo (I am very carefull even with fruit). The point is that, carbs aside, many suggest that between fat and protein a higher ratio of the latest is worse for weight loss. Because protein still raises a bit more insulin etc. (other reasons too) So usually I read that for easier fat-loss is suggested a quite high fat ratio. Is this wrong? Dukan style diets, and many reports of their success, make me think maybe it is. Maybe for weight loss a higher protein ratio is much better. By the way, it might help explain some of the reasons of why Nuts, Dairy etc. stunt in many weigh(/fat)loss. Even the Arthur DeVany propension towards lean-meats, to wich I didn't agree otherwise, might, in that prospective, have his base.

That is the one, and only, thing I might take from Dukan diet (&co.). What do you think?

(sorry for my english)

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on October 28, 2010
at 11:33 AM

Heard of it, but it's not big in the UK.

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