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"eat more carbs. that is not a natural state to be in"

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 26, 2012 at 10:10 PM

i just asked a question and somebody answered it with the above title ^^

i thought the whole premise of paleo was sticking to protein and veggies, and this guy is telling me that that is wrong??

sigh. i thought this whole paleo diet was set in stone, and there is so much conflicting info on this forum/ diet in general.

is this guy wrong or what.

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on December 14, 2012
at 04:17 AM

What in the world is ever in stone?

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on August 27, 2012
at 11:14 PM

RE Borofergie: - The complex carbs found in non-starchy vegetables have as much affect on a diabetic as swallowing ones own spit. Furthermore the complex carbs and sugars in fruit combined with exercise can over time reduce insulin problems. The sugars in fruits are only bad for a diabetic when this person does not adequately exercise. This applies to both stages of the disorder.

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on August 27, 2012
at 11:10 PM

I don't know, i'm sorry ,it won't happen again, please don't yell at me O_o

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on August 27, 2012
at 04:22 PM

Oh, Moore, a funny troll is still a troll. :)

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on August 27, 2012
at 03:09 PM

Nah, diabetics have time and again reversed their disorder by simply eatig less food and losing weight. They do not have to go VLC. This is shown in both anecdotes and studies.

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on August 27, 2012
at 10:16 AM

wtf?!?!? why didn't you directly link to http://nomnompaleo.com/post/6125536089/hey-myplate-this-is-my-plate-by-popular what's with the google linkjack copypasta 6 line URL?

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

(11488)

on August 27, 2012
at 08:35 AM

unless you're an inuit in winter or a diabetic...

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on August 27, 2012
at 07:27 AM

That was a Kurt Harris quote. See that word "naturally"? He may have changed his views, but to my knowledge he hasn't made a broad proclamation that ketosis is unnatural.

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on August 27, 2012
at 07:25 AM

From a Robb Wolf podcast last year: "In the same sense, I think ketosis is good for us to do once in a while. It’s something that naturally occurred during our evolution occasionally".

963322f175cdd4c5f7d52cc372b3a167

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on August 27, 2012
at 05:56 AM

@ Luckie, Hey, lighten up, babe! ;)

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on August 27, 2012
at 03:12 AM

Paleo is not low carb

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on August 27, 2012
at 12:33 AM

I'd add to keep a diary so you have a record of any physical or mental changes. Also take measurements all over your body.

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on August 26, 2012
at 10:37 PM

I find GAPS intro stage to be EXTREMELY helpful in pinpointing food sensitivities. I knew about nightshade sensitivity for years, but I never noticed any significant effects from consuming nightshades so I just assumed they weren't a problem for me. Then when I reintroduced them after a 100% clean and pretty much hypoallergenic diet of animal products, I noticed nightshades made my joints feel "weird." Sometimes if we eat a too-varied diet, you have no idea what you're reacting to.

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on August 26, 2012
at 10:36 PM

I find GAPS intro stage to be EXTREMELY helpful in finding I knew about nightshade sensitivity for years, but I never noticed any significant effects from consuming nightshades so I just assumed they weren't a problem for me. Then when I reintroduced them after a 100% clean and pretty much hypoallergenic diet of animal products, I noticed nightshades made my joints feel "weird." Sometimes if we eat a too-varied diet, you have no idea what you're reacting to.

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D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

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on August 26, 2012
at 10:21 PM

Robb Wolf would tell you Paleo is a template, not a one-size-fits-all straight jacket.

A lot of people are noticing the effectiveness of Paleo-like diets and are trying to make their idea of what it means conquer all others.

Is "that guy" right? Only as right as far as it works for him. Paleo leaves wide room for self-experimentation, try VLC, try low carb, try moderate carb, heck mix it up from one day to the next, as long as its real whole foods and doesn't cause you problems, give a go with whatever works and makes you look, feel, and perform best.

Read The Paleo Solution and listen to the podcast for a while and you'll see it's not a set in stone proposition.

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on August 26, 2012
at 10:23 PM

That guy is a troll that likes to post crap under many different screen names, so first order of business is to ignore EatLessMoveMoore/ShockandColeSlaw/PaleoHipster/all his other names. :)

Now, Paleo is about sticking to meats and plants, yes. The "diet" is far from set in stone, though; there are a lot of differing opinions both on this site and in published Paleo literature. Some people cut out nightshades like tomatoes and peppers; others eat them happily. Some people don't eat any fruit; others eat it often. Just a few examples of how Paleo can vary from person to person, and these are individual tweaks that you can decide to make or not.

My advice? Start off with 30 days of the strictest you would ever want to go (for a lot people that's meat and veggies only). For those 30 days, read here. Read Mark Sisson's site (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/). Read Robb Wolf's site (http://robbwolf.com/). Read any other Paleo/Primal blogs/sites you can think of. Use that 30 days of strict Paleo to research, read, and compare/contrast the different views, see what sounds logical to you. After those 30 days, think back to what you've learned, and think of what foods you missed. Experiment with adding in a few things that are negotiable (Really missed bananas? Have one a few times a week, see how you feel! Think you have no problem with lactose intolerance? Add some dairy back in, note any effects, decide whether to leave it in or take it back out.)

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

(5150)

on August 26, 2012
at 10:37 PM

I find GAPS intro stage to be EXTREMELY helpful in pinpointing food sensitivities. I knew about nightshade sensitivity for years, but I never noticed any significant effects from consuming nightshades so I just assumed they weren't a problem for me. Then when I reintroduced them after a 100% clean and pretty much hypoallergenic diet of animal products, I noticed nightshades made my joints feel "weird." Sometimes if we eat a too-varied diet, you have no idea what you're reacting to.

F9638b939a6f85d67f60065677193cad

(4266)

on August 27, 2012
at 12:33 AM

I'd add to keep a diary so you have a record of any physical or mental changes. Also take measurements all over your body.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on August 27, 2012
at 04:22 PM

Oh, Moore, a funny troll is still a troll. :)

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

(5150)

on August 26, 2012
at 10:36 PM

I find GAPS intro stage to be EXTREMELY helpful in finding I knew about nightshade sensitivity for years, but I never noticed any significant effects from consuming nightshades so I just assumed they weren't a problem for me. Then when I reintroduced them after a 100% clean and pretty much hypoallergenic diet of animal products, I noticed nightshades made my joints feel "weird." Sometimes if we eat a too-varied diet, you have no idea what you're reacting to.

963322f175cdd4c5f7d52cc372b3a167

(646)

on August 27, 2012
at 05:56 AM

@ Luckie, Hey, lighten up, babe! ;)

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on August 26, 2012
at 10:23 PM

Paleo is not necessarily low carb. It is almost always lower carb than most SAD. We need carbs based upon our energy levels. An athlete needs more carbs than someone who walks a few times a week. Some people stay at 50g carbs, some go up to 150-200g carbs.

Paleo is an elimination and experimentation diet. Everyone is going to find a slightly different combination that works for them. Focus on eating healthy -- veggies, then meat, then fruits/seeds. Get you fat ratios under control. Then let your body, and your hunger guide you. If you need more carbs, your body will tell you.

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on August 27, 2012
at 04:38 AM

Before the introduction of western foods, if you were an inuit, you would have eaten almost exclusively seafood, expecially blubber and fat. If you were a kitavan, you'd have eaten a ton of sweet potato along with some coconut and fish. Others from other locales ate other stuff. They were all really healthy. So there is tons of flexibility on macronutrient ranges.

The science isn't 100% settled, so there is room for opinion about exactly what is optimal. Some feel low carb is important and others feel having some extra carbs is important. Whoever is right, though, for healthy populations it probably doesn't matter too much which you do, given how healthy the kitavans and inuit both were. So don't sweat it.

Of course, if you are diabetic, have an auto-immune condition, are a competitive athlete, or have some other special issue going on, then you may have special needs and constraints ...

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on August 27, 2012
at 12:32 AM

It's really not as complicated as it may appear. Just start with meat, veggies, and occasional nuts & fruits and you will see the great majority of the Paleo benefits. After that you can tweak it to what works best for you.

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on August 27, 2012
at 05:53 AM

He is neither right of wrong just painful. You need carbs in your diet otherwise its far too restrictive (unless your an inuit during winter). Just make sure they are complex carbs and the focus of each meal is on the protein and fats. Remember that most vegetables and fruits are made up of carbs (the complex ones) and these are the ones I am referring to. Water, vegetables, nuts, fruits, meats and animal fats are the basis of the paleo diet and to be honest are yummy. It might seem daunting to cut out breads, cereals, pasta, potatoes, dairy and processed vegetable oils from your diet, but think about how nice it is to eat bacon and eggs or a nice steak for breakfast totally guilt free and at the same time lose weight.

If you want the best explanation of why to eat paleo or what a paleodiet is there are two excellent documentaries: "In Search of the Perfect Human Diet" & "Fathead". Watch in that order and pay more attention to the first video it is excellent:) It certainly converted me as I need to know why before I do anything! Hope this helps and good luck.

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on August 27, 2012
at 03:09 PM

Nah, diabetics have time and again reversed their disorder by simply eatig less food and losing weight. They do not have to go VLC. This is shown in both anecdotes and studies.

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

(11488)

on August 27, 2012
at 08:35 AM

unless you're an inuit in winter or a diabetic...

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(83)

on August 27, 2012
at 11:14 PM

RE Borofergie: - The complex carbs found in non-starchy vegetables have as much affect on a diabetic as swallowing ones own spit. Furthermore the complex carbs and sugars in fruit combined with exercise can over time reduce insulin problems. The sugars in fruits are only bad for a diabetic when this person does not adequately exercise. This applies to both stages of the disorder.

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on August 27, 2012
at 06:36 AM

Actually, it was Kurt Harris who came around to that view.

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on August 27, 2012
at 07:27 AM

That was a Kurt Harris quote. See that word "naturally"? He may have changed his views, but to my knowledge he hasn't made a broad proclamation that ketosis is unnatural.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on August 27, 2012
at 07:25 AM

From a Robb Wolf podcast last year: "In the same sense, I think ketosis is good for us to do once in a while. It’s something that naturally occurred during our evolution occasionally".

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on August 27, 2012
at 10:16 AM

wtf?!?!? why didn't you directly link to http://nomnompaleo.com/post/6125536089/hey-myplate-this-is-my-plate-by-popular what's with the google linkjack copypasta 6 line URL?

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(3213)

on August 27, 2012
at 11:10 PM

I don't know, i'm sorry ,it won't happen again, please don't yell at me O_o

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